Market research - New developments - Entertainment

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 09:47

ive finally joined the board . So hello to all the genuine folk out there who make this forum the unique arena it is. I want to get ur valued feedback on a new project, as I heard Cyp 44 can make or break businesses here !.its regards a new project in kyrenia. Due to lack of high quality entertainment, we are going to build a type of boutique hotel / leisure centre / spa& wellness centre combination . ( non casino based only 50 rooms ) hotel aside , the facilities have a 1000 sqmetre spa /wellness centre & 3000 sqm leisure facilties on 10000sqm land. facilites will comprise of 12 lane bowling alley , games/arcades room, Food Court (with international food franchise brands signed up) a 300sq metre themed childrens playcentre, 5 bars , 2 full dining themed restaurants , Outdoor indoor pools We are talking dubai style service and state of the art finishing and equipments, International management , International architects, world renowned interior designers etc not ur usual cyprus lark

Chegwin


Joined: 24/03/2009
Posts: 775

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 09:54

Dubai style service eh!

I pop up to my place there as often as possible to get away from "the service".

8 quid a pint in Dubai so go easy on "the Style".

What time scale do you have in mind and where abouts are you going to be located? Next to the Antique Bar perhaps?



Chegs

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 10:24

what id like is to get your views , advice , ideas or anything you think that may contribute to creating something special .......you are the customer therefore your veiws will be taken seriously, thnx

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 10:27

It seem's you are offering a lot of facilities for just a 50 room occupancy.

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 10:28

hey chegs , 1) what i mean by 'dubai style service ' to clarify , is we feel that customer service is not quite upto scratch in trnc , professional management, employee training & customer service concepts are usually lacking, therefore we have brought in a dubai& austrian hospitaity managemnt team to run the place, to give a proper level of service , basically like 5 star establishments in other parts of world. Pricing will be according to trnc standards , no 8 quid pints dont worry , the location i cannot divulge exactly right now but i will in the near future, however it will be east kyrenia in a very accessable location

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 10:33

Tommy. I don't want to sound negative here because obviously you have done your research and must see a market for this type of business and it looks very good however you are offering... - "we are going to build a type of boutique hotel / leisure centre / spa& wellness centre combination . ( non casino based only 50 rooms ) hotel aside , the facilities have a 1000 sqmetre spa /wellness centre & 3000 sqm leisure facilties on 10000sqm land. facilites will comprise of 12 lane bowling alley , games/arcades room, Food Court (with international food franchise brands signed up) a 300sq metre themed childrens playcentre, 5 bars , 2 full dining themed restaurants , Outdoor indoor pools We are talking dubai style service and state of the art finishing and equipments"....in the trnc?



Are you privy to some information that the rest of us are not aware of. Where is your target market? There are hardly any tourists here.

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 10:39

hi doyen ,thnx for comment , the seemingly out of proportion leisure facilities is because the main target audience is the local community serving them for 12 mnths of the year aswell as catering for tourists in the hotel facilities, the design cleverly seperates the 2 with seperate entrances , but maintains access from the hotel part. Furthermore , the 50 rooms could have been over 100 , but since the objective is to not squeeze out maximum room numbers to get a casino license , these 50 rooms will be much larger than found in other hotels in trnc , offering several residence suites , and long term stay options,

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 10:47

Tommy,



Sounds very good. I wish you every success and hope it all pans out for you. Good luck with it and we look forward to being customers in the future

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 10:54

thnx millzer , any suggestions of additional facilites or things ud like to see out here , do let us know

Chegwin


Joined: 24/03/2009
Posts: 775

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 10:58

I do wish your venture the best of luck but I can’t help but feel that the attraction of the island is just that it doesn’t have any bling that you propose in the sense that entertainment has to be provided. At the present time and given tourist numbers anyway. All the “Blackpool” stuff can be had in and around the resorts on the South side and other Med’ destinations. I came to TRNC because it was the nicest place closest to Dubai that was still natural and relatively unspoiled and more or less, you know what you are getting for your buck.

If I, as a potential tourist wanted Dubai Style I would go to Dubai!

Next to The Antique would be handy though!! Nod Nod, Wink Wink.

Chegs

Lambousa Gordon


Joined: 03/11/2007
Posts: 1992

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 11:06

Tommy,



Would love to chat face to face regarding your ideas.



My email is gpskent@hotmail.com or you can phone me on 0533 862 4662.

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 11:17

hi cheg , let me clarify what i mean my dubai style , its to bring something of quality and proper management to the island, customer service how it should be , management how it should be , design and ambience done by professionals , also an architecture that blends into the natural beauty not a futuristic eyesore , 70 % of the land is gardens/outdoor areas , .. i myself have found a lack of quality chill out /entertainment facitlies, dont intend to create a blackpool type affair , i appreciate what you say , so are you suggesting that this type of entertainment facility will not be used by local expats and tc residents aswell as tourists its not attractive in north cyprus , pls explain , oh by th way where is antique bar ?

everon


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 956

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 11:25

sounds great, but if too expensive, the ex pats wont use it, most here are already on or waiting for their pensions, as you know with the state of the economy at the moment, pensions are now worth a lot less, even here! Good luck!

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 11:39

thnx gordon , appreciate that very much , i will call ....whens convenient

ClaireCat44



Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 739

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 11:40

Let's destroy a bit more of North Cyprus, shall we? Sorry, but sounds horrendous. If people want 'Dubai style', perhaps they could go to Dubai for their holidays.

Chegwin


Joined: 24/03/2009
Posts: 775

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 11:42

Tommy13

The more effluent of the majority of the expat society may stick their heads in for a nosey but to meet predicted revenues I would imagine that you would need a pretty high footfall to make money. I just don’t think the numbers are there at the moment nor will be for the next 24 to 48 months. Of course, as you are well aware the "situation" that the island is dealing with at the moment is not that conducive to investments of this kind just now, in my opinion.

If it was then I would have opened a bar by now!

Locals are still very much family at home sorts and similar to Spain 35 years ago.

When the numbers start rising with the opening of the skies and the ease of access to the island then yes.

I would just bank the land and wait.

And there are loads of chill out places where the sun can be seen setting, the waves can be heard lapping and that is why I like it. I do think that the majority of the "older" clientele, myself included, like it as is.

Chegs

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 11:51

to claire , ok wish i didnt use the word dubai , like i said i meant it in terms of dubai style , quality , service , professionalism , management. Can you explain what u find horrendous please , as its important to me , how should a leisure centre , entertainment complex be in your veiw , that doesnt destroy north cyprus , please give me your ideas , thnx

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 12:04

There seems to be more negative feedback here than positive, so far. I don't think tommy13 would be proposing to spend all this money without having done his sums, so lets encourage the employment that this will bring, both during the construction phase and afterwards. There are now enough expat owned and operated companies which could also benefit from this investment so I, for one, look forward to the opportunities this will bring. A 10,000m2 complex will not detract from the TRNC as a whole, as I hardly envisage dozens of places like this opening any time soon. If the local population are to be the target market then it will have to be reasonably priced or stand empty. I congratulate tommy13 for his courage in proposing to invest what is obviously a very large sum of money in the local economy, at a very difficult time both here and in the rest of the world.

Good luck to him.

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 12:08

and just where do you propose to get the employees to staff the place ?

corbytown


Joined: 05/08/2008
Posts: 327

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 12:16

totally agree with you vaughan

good luck tommy

lets get the north on the map !

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 12:28

thnx for the positive feedback corby and trnx vaughan , much appreciated , yes guys the prices will not have a premium it will be affordable , staff ? well the maagement company will do reruiting and training , we will try to train as many locals to the level of quality we want but we will be bringing in exec staff from turkey dubai and europe too .... we really want international standards of service , courtesy and profesiolism , we wat to make a real difference to what we are used to hear , it means , staff motivation strategies , smiling , courteous , friendly trained staff ,, .. very few places in trnc uderstand service we find

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 12:31

Lets also take into account that this complex is liable to be built in a commercial/tourist area and not in a residential area. Provided it does not impinge on the night sky/neighbourhood either with laser-light shows or loud music, I really can't see how anyone could object to it.

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 12:39

tommy13 - good luck with your new and, may I say, ambitious venture. I understand you must have done your homework regarding this project, but having read about and heard of so many ventures here that never get off the ground, the staffing thing puzzles me a bit. I am certainly no expert on such matters, but do you foresee problems with recruitment? So many times I have heard stories about the archaic ideas they have here, e.g. jobs must be offered to TC's first (and last in some cases) and quite often given to local people (quite rightly, in many cases) whether they are qualified to do the jobs or not.



Having said that, please don't think I'm trying to put a dampener on what sounds like an exciting project, but would be interested to hear your views/experiences.



Good luck and best wishes.



J

sissy


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 197

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 12:43

Hi Tommy

I think this new venture you propose sounds really good.



Someone said that locals wouldnt attend, how do they know, familes cant attend if there isnt anything like it in kyrenia. Bowling alleys etc sounds good to me, young and old alike. Go for it. Good luck.

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 12:44

yes , its in a commercial area on a main commercial road . hope to attract local residents , with decent pricing , 5 star service and quality , stylish settings ...

hal9000


Joined: 01/12/2008
Posts: 154

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 12:59

Any chance of a small community theatre in there - say 500 seats? The local am-dram groups (KADS, TheatreLambousa & ChorusLambousa) are always oversubscribed. Gordon's theatre in Chateau Lambousa does sterling work, but it only seats 200, has a damn great pillar in the middle of the stage, has no proper theatrical sound and lighting systems and - to be honest - needs some fairly serious renovation work, which Gordon would be crazy to do if the hotel's closed!

Theatre is very important in the TC community too, so you could bring in local as well as expat bums to go on the seats.

Good luck with the project; anything that will help to put North Cyprus on the tourist map will be very welcome.

hal9000


Joined: 01/12/2008
Posts: 154

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 13:00

BTW, you may have missed the boat with the bowling alley - they seem to be springing up everywhere!

Pixie


Joined: 18/03/2009
Posts: 489

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 13:06

Hi Tommy

I think this sounds wonderful, would be interested in using the spa,leisure centre pool etc, the kids facilities and the restaurants. This is exactly what cyprus needs, although I cant see you earning that much from it. Good for us but what about for you?

parkview



Joined: 12/03/2009
Posts: 1123

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 13:10

Hi tommy, good luck with your venture, I used to be a rep out here for 6 years when the island was bustling with nice tourists, we used to bring in 100 a night. More than happy to help with any advice you may need my email is shabbychic@sunnycyprus.net . Unfortunately so many hotels just get it wrong.

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 13:30

thnx for positive feedback , the wiks ,,, thnx for your comment , very interesting and you are very correct, this is how it is , We have an international management comapny who will recruit and train according to meet the standards they want, Theyre an austrian firm , austrians are known to be 1st rate class in hospitality management, They will fill many roles with qualified international personel , however im a turk and its important too also create jobs locally , So we will endevour to fish out the best we can find in trnc , and train if necassary , unfortunatley turks esp, tc;s are not the world renowned in hospitality and service industries. We will do our best to find a balance , but to maintain highest possible standrads , we will have to bring in international , experienced hospitalty trained staff otherwise wont be able to maintain the quality of service we are striving for , and make a difference between us and other establishments.

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 13:38

tommy13 - message 30. Thanks for the info and I will follow with interest your progress. It would be great to see someone get it right for a change - for locals, ex-pats and tourists alike.



All the very best.



J

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 13:51

thnx wicks , thx sissy , and hal , thnx so much , thats the kinda feedback im looking for , i will consider what u say , and i will contact lambousa gordon as he gave me his number , i will see if this theatre thing can be incorporated , we do have 500 sqmetre conference /hall/ ballroom facilities , mayb that could double up as theatre premesies , i will talk to gordon, also yes im aware i wont be the 1st bowling alley , but im sure we will be the most frequented as ours will be in a league of its own in terms of service , facilities , interior design etc , remeber our 12 lane bowling alley will have a food court with internatianl brand food franchises , sports bars , gaming rooms , childrens playcentre ( with 80 feet wide and 30 feet high themed castle , dragon play structure , etc ) all set in 3000 sq metres , then theres all the other facilities , 1000 sq m spa/wellness centre , conference , ballroom facilities , indoor outdoor pool , pool bars , buddha bar style restaurant ,etc

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 13:55

hey parkveiw , thnx for ur offers , we can stay in touch , ill email you now , so lets stay in touch any feedback is much apprecitaed , and we want to work with people here , understand the needs and try and create something everyone will be proud of

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 13:55

Tommy. I must admit this all sounds fantastic. When do you anticipate laying the foundations and what is the timescale for completion?



I wish you good luck and, like other's on here, I can't wait to visit.

parkview



Joined: 12/03/2009
Posts: 1123

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 14:01

Hi Tommy, I live out here in Cyprus, so more than happy to help anyway I can. After working 6 years in the travel industry out here I have an idea of what people want and need and unfortunately so many hotels fall flat on their faces while others do really well an will continue to do so.

captainjohn


Joined: 08/06/2008
Posts: 201

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 14:02

This site may be of help to anyone thinking of off plan build.







http://www.lcmservices.nett

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 14:13

If you need a registered Nurse for your venture I am available for staff first aid training etc.

captainjohn


Joined: 08/06/2008
Posts: 201

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 14:14

This site may be of help to anyone thinking of off plan build.







http://www.lcmservices.nett

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 14:29

nursey , thnx for that , definately stay in touch , we may be able to work something when the project is done ,,

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 15:01

Chegwin, where on earth are you talking about that costs 8 quid a pint in Dubai?

I know of a couple of places that charge that but I don't frequent with anyone rich enough to pay it.

Chegwin


Joined: 24/03/2009
Posts: 775

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 17:10

proger1

Many places as you probably know are charging 38- 42 chips for Fosters and the like.

Bottles around 25-28 so at 5.3 to the pound that’s around the low 7 quids for pints and almost 5 quid for a cheap bottle of Corona.

I know there are slightly cheaper places but on average anywhere down Jumeriah, even now in Al Barsha, the prices have increased dramatically since the Dirham went from a healthy 7.5 down to 5.1. The Madinat bars are just as bad. All very nice places but I do doubt that that sort of theme would fit the Island just now but I do wish the venture success. A tough time to provide luxury and top service anywhere.

Red lion is Ok as are other places but still very expensive for a swift half.

I have used the Barracuda for the last six years or the home delivery service from Ajman Port.

And just to keep this on thread that’s why I commented on “Dubai Style” and mentioned prices.



Chegs

jacktheladett


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 528

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 17:59

Good luck to you Tommy, forward thinking, innovative and much needed, it's all in the detail, thats what makes the difference, and is sadly lacking in some establishments here. Thats as much down to training and how customer expectations are perceived as much as anything else.



From an earlier post, whilst there are a lot of pensionable people here, there are also a lot of 30's + 40's, with and without families, so there is definitely a market for your facilities. Just one thing, please don't go with any 'British' themes, offering english breakfast, karoke evenings and fish and chips, even if it is done with style!



The theatre/concert venue is a great idea.



Go for it!

parkview



Joined: 12/03/2009
Posts: 1123

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 18:16

Totally agree jacktheladett, so fed up with seeing karoke everywhere, can't someone think outside the box for once.

AndyP



Joined: 18/04/2008
Posts: 517

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 18:19

Tommy13



Not being negative but has this not been done already?



You could save a lot of time, money and effort and buy one thats already done. Might be worth finding out why it's for sale, perhaps no customers with any money? Only a thought.



http://www.sunbeamsestate.com/property_details1.asp?Reference=VAHASPA



http://www.vaha-spa.com/

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 18:49

Hi again Chegwin, you are right when it comes to 5.3 exchange, I hadn't really thought it through and was still thinking 7:1 exchange. I rarely go anywhere these days except Long's and occasionally Barasti but always run a tab so my apologies for the quizzing.

Completely understand the thread mention of Styles, might have to hit Longs again tomorrow for a few to keep the buddies happy, seems to be a bit of a fallic symbols only these days but its where the boys hang out and I am off to Girne on Sat for a week before heading offshore again.

If you are in Dxb and fancy a pint give me a shout mob 05055596946

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 18:53

One too many 5's 050 559 6946

decanddyl


Joined: 17/01/2009
Posts: 792

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 19:02

What we need is more Golf courses or even a Driving Range/practice facility with reasonable rates, must be some demand for this type of facility in the Lapta area.

AndyP



Joined: 18/04/2008
Posts: 517

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 19:10

Re MSG 43



People do think outside of the box and there are plenty of things other than Karaoke going on all over the TRNC. You will find everything from Classical music, Theatre, Rock Music, Live Bands, Singers etc etc. Problem is most people do not want to travel to watch/see any of it because it means that they might have to go without a drink so they can drive. Rather than go to the local, get drunk and drive home!! The reason that there is so much Karaoke is because that what the bars are asking for and believe it or not it does have a big following.

rtddci


Joined: 29/12/2007
Posts: 842

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 19:15

tommy13

May I ask what experience you have in this field? If you were to separate each of the areas you mention i.e hotel, 5 bars, restuarants, spa, bowling alley etc. would each one make a projected profit? What market research have you conducted? Is your business plan wholey dependent on all year round patronage by locals or can it still create a profitable revenue stream during the tourist season and allow you keep on your valuable staff out of season? I totally agree with your view on the need for excellant customer service without which you will lose one of your USP's. . Have you discussed the issue of employing non local staff to assist in that with NC officials? I trust that your site is not on exchange land to enable you to attract investors and or bank loans.

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 20:14

tommy13 Good luck with this, sounds great to me.

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 22:57

to Rttci ,, I have no experience in this field , its my first project of this kind , thats why i have employed Hospitality and Hotel Consultants from Austria . Feaibilty studies firm from dubai , Architects from Usa , Branding specialists from usa , Conceptual Vision Consultants from Turkey etc etc , it has all the proper corporate trimmings behind it that almost any development has in most parts of the world , except TRNC. Thats why it will stand out from the rest and have no comparison . The land is esdgeher , and we are not in the least worried , we are not raising loans or looking for investors , our dubai partners will directly fund this with cash . the feasabl;ities have all been done for each of the various areas , which are seperate businesses on there own right , we have seigned agreements so far with 3 international franchise brands aswell, our target group is the local market and tourism market combined, Have spoken to authorities regards non local staff and no problem there

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 23:05

thnx jack the lad and britvic,, promise it wont be cheesy /// just wanted to say , im very pleased with this thread , my dubai investors looked aswell , and are pleased with the positve response , ive been told to tell you guys from dubai partners that when we open , The establishment should buy a round of drinks on the house to cyprus 44 users .. as a thank you and an invitation to visit us/ Thanx again for positive feedback and we still value all ur ideas and comments as you are our customer and we want to offer what the market demands///

southgate



Joined: 28/03/2009
Posts: 37

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 23:07

Hi Tommy13,



I have something in mind that would compliment your project perfectly if you could PM me zss002@aol.com. I could tell you about it

thanx

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 23:14

Ok southgate i emailed you , lets hear your idea .

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 23:29

Ok heres a full list of facilities , Boutique hotel 50 rooms , standard rooms over 30 square metres , signed by renowned interior designer , 12 commercial office suites / Large outdoor lake style pool , landscaped gardens . barbecue pit , outdoor events areas weddings etc , One international cuisine restaurant and the famous Buddah Bar , looby bar , pool bar , lobby lounge , 3 exclusive retail shops , cant mention the brands yet , 3000 sq metre bowling hall with food court with 3 international well known brands, a sports bar , state of the art arcades with latest sega and 3d simulation machines etc , Childrens playcentre , daycare , creche 350 sq metres with large themed castle and dragon theme structure from canada etc etc , 1000 sqmtre spa/wellness centre , indoor pool , state of the art gym/ dance studio / yoga studio/ pilates studio . his and hers hair and beauty salons , medical spa facilities with dietician / nutritianist and plastic surgery consultants cont

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 23:36

cont /// meeting room/conference /ballroom / business centre facilities , original cypriot antiquities on display around the hotel . austrian hotel management company to run the place to highest service standards , pricing shall not have premium and will be standard trnc pricing for facities , however hotel rooms may have a premium . 200 car park spaces . local and private transport links . etc etc theres more , when the website is ready i will post the link ,, the motto of our establishment will be LEISURE / BUSINESS / WELLNESS / DINING we want to excel at these 4 points and have the best facilities in each of these 4 points that trnc has to offer //

Jadefarrall


Joined: 26/09/2008
Posts: 112

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 23:48

Hello Tommy I'm a 20year old living in TRNC and would love to be involved in your childrens daycare/creche.Please Email me >>>> Jen2jade@aol.com and i will forward my cv if there is a chance of employment

Thanks



Jade

ClaireCat44



Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 739

Message Posted:
07/05/2009 08:27

Where EXACTLY are you proposing to build this place?

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
07/05/2009 08:55

tommy13,



Would you have any ideas who you might use as a main contractor for the project? Are you going out to tender?

CarrieRBag



Joined: 23/12/2008
Posts: 1374

Message Posted:
07/05/2009 08:57

Hi Tommy



I think this is a great idea and I hope it gets off the ground. I would like to see some really good "acts" over here. Someone I actually have heard of would be good!



I wonder if you can PM me pse on carrirbag@hotmail.com as I would love to get involved in this project.



Many thanks



Sue

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
07/05/2009 09:17

Dear claire , at this present moment cannot divulge where exactly due to various reasons, when the planning permit is issued then i can say. pls understand that revealing it anytime before that could undermine our efforts in some areas. I can say though East Kyrenia Region , somewhere between karakum and ArapKoy in a strategic very visible commercial location,

Trnc vaughan , We already have our own construction company to do some work and some other specialists coming in for some of the specialist installations however will be sub contracting / tendering out some works,

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
07/05/2009 09:24

Dear Carrie . im really glad so many people r willing to help in some way , will send u an email today .. like i said although we have done professional market research . feasibilities and have our own team of consultants , nothing is more valuable than talking with our actual target audience on the ground level and getting there ideas . views and comments , it will help us tailor a product that is what YOU our target group actually want to see here in TRNC // .. thnx

Lambousa Gordon


Joined: 03/11/2007
Posts: 1992

Message Posted:
07/05/2009 10:17

Hal,



The theatre at the Chateau Lambousa actually seats upto 350 persons if we were to use "theatre" seating as opposed to "club" seating with tables.

kamaks


Joined: 03/03/2009
Posts: 123

Message Posted:
07/05/2009 10:51

We will hopefuly relocate from Istanbul to Trnc in the summer,I have 3 boys aged 13,8 and 4.This project sounds so exciting to us as i was a little concerned that perhaps in the winter months my boys could be bored.Good luck with everything .Iyi Şansler

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
07/05/2009 15:27

tommy13,



Where/when can we make an Expression of Interest?

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
07/05/2009 17:25

trnc vaughan You can email us at the foolwing address info@ikontower.com

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
07/05/2009 19:37

By the way guys ,,,,, the hotel is the second project of ours , our first project is already under construction , its the first commercial only business tower , dubai style , in the capitol Nicosia , we noticed theres no prestigious dedicated commercial space , people either generally rent and convert apartments into offices or shopfronts , so seeing a niche in the market we are doing this ,, hope u like http://www.ikontower.com

decanddyl


Joined: 17/01/2009
Posts: 792

Message Posted:
07/05/2009 20:25

Hi Tommy 13, I am a trained nursery nurse and general nurse with an up to date first aid certificate. I would be very interested in being part of your childcare team especially in the planning stages.

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
07/05/2009 20:38

give ur email decanddyl , ill get in touch

decanddyl


Joined: 17/01/2009
Posts: 792

Message Posted:
07/05/2009 20:53

Hi again Tommy 13, as requested my email address, cbourjack@windowslive.com Regards.

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
07/05/2009 20:56

thx jack ,, will get in touch , due course

decanddyl


Joined: 17/01/2009
Posts: 792

Message Posted:
07/05/2009 21:45

Hi Tommy 13, thought I should let you Know I'm the she side of the Jackson. Regards Catherine.

cypwine


Joined: 09/05/2009
Posts: 177

Message Posted:
09/05/2009 17:40

Tommy13



i am a newbie on here & have just read this thread, when will building begin & how many years until all completed???

regards.

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
09/05/2009 17:51

hiya cypwine , we have 2 projetcs , the following has begun construction http://www.ikontower.com and should be complete in 12 mnths , the Hotel/Leisure project is awaiting its building permits so construction can begin ,Hard to put a date on that but when we obtain it it should be complete in 18mnths max , however our human resources department will kick into affect 6 mnths prior to completion,

lulubell


Joined: 18/11/2008
Posts: 595

Message Posted:
09/05/2009 20:31

hi tommy13



I have some ideas re spa/wellness center. If interested please email.



thanks



natascia

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
09/05/2009 20:35

like what ? we have given the spa to a company called spatality.com to do check em out theyre doing the spa for us

lulubell


Joined: 18/11/2008
Posts: 595

Message Posted:
09/05/2009 21:26

very good. will check it out when i get a chance.

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
09/05/2009 23:45

Tommy, employ this 'waiter' You will not go wrong.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rwQ0Y92V84

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
10/05/2009 00:46

hey aceshigh , i dont quite understand what ur getting at ? offcourse one would naturally need outlined planning consent for any project why would u ask such a question , like i said the project has been designed and its according to the rules & regulations and has been submitted and going through the planning , visa and permit bureaus. Im born and bred in london mate .. to turkish parents one of whom is a cypriot TURK and the other from Mainland TURK

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
10/05/2009 00:51

britvic , lol, he sure has talent , if it would keep you guys amused ill bring him to cyprus , double u as waiter and entertainer

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
10/05/2009 16:17

Hi tommy13,



My husband is an English butler with over 25 years experience in the service of fine wines and food. He has worked for royalty both English and Middle Eastern. We are hoping to move to the TRNC in eighteen months and he will be looking for some kind of work. He would be very good at training the locals to the high standard which you are seeking. If you think that he could be of help, please contact him.



The butlers wife

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
10/05/2009 16:58

Oh sounds good , ive sent email

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
10/05/2009 17:11

Really pleased and thanks to all the people expressing an interest of employment, it seems there is some great talent hidden away here and i will capitalize on that .. I will put a post regards employment up 6 mnths before completion

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
10/05/2009 22:17

Tommy,

Breath of fresh air mate,good luck and dont forget that beer,

Paul.

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
10/05/2009 22:21

look forward to it

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
10/05/2009 22:31

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX85Y5Zb7sw



Whlie you are in the process of employing waiters how about that one,

paul.

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
10/05/2009 22:36

yes seen it earlier , lol

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
10/05/2009 22:44

Hi Tommy it sounds so exciting. I cant wait. As I worked for 12 years as an airline cabin crew. and 7 sales and marketing in the hotel industry . This really is of interest to me. Now I hav to ask you when are you going to have the time for all the beautiful ladies Im lining up fo you. Tommy I wish you all the luck in the world. You certainly have done your research. I hope you reach your target audiance. Keep in touch xxxx

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
10/05/2009 22:50

hey lilli , my pimpstress , lol , i understand you have a restaurant or something to that effect ? ill come and pop my head in one of these days

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
10/05/2009 22:55

Tommy you better do. Love to meet you xxx remember your pleasure is my buisness xxxxxxxx

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
10/05/2009 22:57

Just checked out guido's website , most impressive , i look forward to visiting , are you normally around

cypwine


Joined: 09/05/2009
Posts: 177

Message Posted:
10/05/2009 23:04

must admit that also went through my mind msg 93.

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
10/05/2009 23:20

aces and cyp , i understand you and your pessimism , but there is no ulterior motive here , like i said we have 2 major projects here, the tower and the hotel/leisure centre , the tower has already begun construction, check the website and on there is a location map and if you ever drive past the location you may witness its real and under construction , therefore you can assume the second project is also a reality , so theres tangible proof that we are putting our money where our mouth is ,, what more can i say on the matter

cypwine


Joined: 09/05/2009
Posts: 177

Message Posted:
10/05/2009 23:24

tommy13



May i ask you without being rude, but who is the legal land owner of your hotel complex plz ? as i always thought Kyrenia was 99% GC owned.

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
11/05/2009 00:23

cyp its on turkish title.. arbee , greetings , firstly im not a representative , im a partner , second if you read the post my objective is quite clear , i want my business to be successful and so i thought id do some personal market research and talk to some of my target group and analyze the feedback , i believed it would help me create a better product by speaking with people .... i wont answer to some of your other comments ... as for the ikon website , yes ur right , i did it myslelf on yahoo , its temporary , while the professional one is being done , and since im renting it out to what will probably be turks and turkish companies , i felt it would suffice in just bringing their attention to it and being a source for enquiries from potential clients , the hotel/leisure website will be a different kettle of fish ... anyways , i think i will close this thread now and thanks once again for all the people who have emailed me & responded positively , its purpose has been served for me

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
11/05/2009 00:36

Tommy, you could expect a little negativity, however message 98 is the posters 'first' post. I wouldn't read too much into it.

Arbee, Welcome to the board, lets hear something positive from you.



Vicki

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
11/05/2009 01:42

There is only 2 things needing research if you are about to build an entertainment centre and hotel complex.



1. Hotel Bed occupancy............ 25% last time I read.



2. Possible increase in buyers in the TRNC who will be staying in the hotels awaiting/looking for property................slow market and predicted to become even slower.



Does not seem the best business proposition in the current climate. But good luck anyway. At least you are not building more houses and apartments, which nobody wants, so they end up being unfinished building sites and blots on the landscape.

cypwine


Joined: 09/05/2009
Posts: 177

Message Posted:
11/05/2009 08:29

msg99

turkish title??????????? a bit more info wouldnt go a miss plz, would hate for you to start this project, employ people then to find the GC owner of the land on your door step.



arbee

well said.

Lambousa Gordon


Joined: 03/11/2007
Posts: 1992

Message Posted:
11/05/2009 10:30

Tommy,



Sorry, but I lost your telephone number. Could you call me again on 0533 862 4662.



Gordon

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
11/05/2009 12:30

ditto arbee somehing not quite right here !! with all Tommy13 postings

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
11/05/2009 12:45

Hi arbee , again i will reiterate , earnest & young did our feasibility , an austrian hospitality / hotel management company are our consultants , this was just a personal marketing excersise by myself as i saw further value in getting the ideas and opinions of people on this board , i dont consider them a 2 bob bunch as you mentioned , they are after all part of my target audience and potential customers. Neither am i introducing it , that will be done through proper website and advertising and a post on the board in reference to it ...that website u refer too is not for this project in this post , its for a project that construction has begun on and that was a template i passed on tp a web firm to create a proper website for me , u may be right that i shouldnt have perhaps posted that website but neither are my customers for that probably going to be expats . anyways welcome to the board once again and your business is going well ,

Chegwin


Joined: 24/03/2009
Posts: 775

Message Posted:
11/05/2009 12:54

What is wrong with exploring every avenue for information?

I would agree that it wouldn’t be my first choice at this time with present economic uncertainties coupled with the political instability to go down the multimillion $ investment route but each to their own.

If Tommy 13 chooses to post his intentions and is serious about his venture then so what.

The overall negativity of most of the replies in my opinion would cast a doubt but hey. Maybe he knows something we don’t.

At least he has been reasonably open and quite pleasant given some of the bow shots.

Would make a great story if he turns out to be Billy Butlins grandson! Plenty of Red Coat candidates to choose from.



Chegwin

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
11/05/2009 13:01

lol, chegwins , cheers mate

melia


Joined: 11/05/2009
Posts: 1

Message Posted:
11/05/2009 14:06

hy

i just read ur post...seems interesting...for ur information im doing curtains and dealing with furniture as well..rot iron and wooden both..u can contact me at 05338338436



cheers

mel

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
11/05/2009 14:13

thnx mel, will do in due course ,take a look at what u guys can offer ,ive taken note of your number , we have a well renowned internatonal interior designer for the project , some furnishings she will design and we will look to producing them locally , do u guys have a factory in trnc ?

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
11/05/2009 14:28

this seems to me to be a big fact finding mission of other peoples names numbers and email adresses if you want people to contact you and really want to know what people think and feel - why hide your email address as someone else has said on another thread STRANGE all of it



I think I will leave you to your mission



Regards

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
11/05/2009 14:37

sienna your slating me all over the place girl , lol , jokes , ill rectify the email thingy , is there anything else i can do for you

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
11/05/2009 14:40

Message 109 "rot iron and wooden both"? Can someone tell me what this is?

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
11/05/2009 14:42

if sienna lived 2000 yrs ago her name would have been the doubting thomas , lol , just jesting , i like this skeptical , distrusting character you have , its a quality i wish i had more of ,

ClaireCat44



Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 739

Message Posted:
11/05/2009 14:59

Messages 95, 99 and 106 seem to be written by someone else. Tommy13's english seems to have vastly improved or is it just me??

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
11/05/2009 15:11

claire , sienna and britvic , you guys must be friends and plotting against me , its a conspiracy ..lol my english isnt bad for non englishman, is it

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
11/05/2009 15:17

yes tommy13 that is always the cry anyway don't know clair or britvic sorry conspiracy theory has just flown out the window - NEXT!

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
11/05/2009 15:18

Tommy, unless your Melia who wrote: "rot iron and wooden both"? I haven't said a word!



Declaration: I have never met, spoke to, heard of, Claire or Sienna. LOL

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
11/05/2009 15:38

my apologies britvic , so your not one of the dissenters just jesting sienna , a witty retort is expected from you

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
11/05/2009 15:58

the world would be boring if we all agreed tommy 13 - do you not agree or shall we agree to disagree cant make my mind up ;-)

Thinker


Joined: 11/11/2008
Posts: 169

Message Posted:
11/05/2009 16:30

If this is for real...



Then a place where we can take the kids, bowling alley AND play area with creche. Perfect, just what we have been waiting for. GOOD LUCK!

conehead


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6

Message Posted:
11/05/2009 16:31

Tommy, good luck to you, remember all the doubters and charge em on the door.



Meanwhile, me and my business partner have purchased a property east of Kyrenia and are out there quite a lot.

I'm 100% sure we can be of use to you on this project in regards to marketing and design and we have a few other projects we're looking at over there as well.

When you've got a chance can you give me a bell on either 0207 655 8295 or 07759269639.



Cheers, Mike.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
11/05/2009 16:36

more numbers for you tommy13 well done !

conehead


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6

Message Posted:
11/05/2009 16:41

I think this might be a dyslexic furniture company like DSF or MIF, window blinds and bedside cobinits...

cornish



Joined: 30/12/2008
Posts: 186

Message Posted:
11/05/2009 17:10

hal9000 mentioned way back the need for a good theatre venue. He was absolutley correct and a facility like this would be used and subscibed by both expats and local TC's

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
11/05/2009 17:11

Message 109 - possibly "both wooden and wrought iron" furniture?



J

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
11/05/2009 17:28

yes sienna , i agree with you there ... i did make a post about difference of opinions , i think its a good thing adds colour to life, thanks thinker and conehead and cornish appreciate the feedback and taken note , ill be meeting lanbousa gordon regards this theatre type venue and see how we can work it in to the project , conehead you can email me at info@ikontower.com.

ustwo


Joined: 08/12/2008
Posts: 67

Message Posted:
11/05/2009 17:44

Another hotel we do not need ,but we could do with air conditioned shopping mail with everything under one roof.Lakeside would do.

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
11/05/2009 17:51

yes ustwo , shopping mall like as you describe would work here , we almost tied up a deal , fell through , the location was perfect though , i know few people thinking about this seriously , whomsoever does it first should clean up ... im sure it will happen ...

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
11/05/2009 17:56

message 126, The Wicks, Lol I thought it was "wrought iron and wooden bath" Had me stumped...........But hey that doesn't take much!

cypwine


Joined: 09/05/2009
Posts: 177

Message Posted:
11/05/2009 22:52

hi tommy



i would appreciate an anwser for last post to you msg 100, when you have the time that is!

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
11/05/2009 23:15

hi cypwine , id rather not discuss that matter here if you dont mind , its unecassary , i think i said enough , thanks for understanding

cypwine


Joined: 09/05/2009
Posts: 177

Message Posted:
11/05/2009 23:18

well your anwser says it all tommy!!!!! i think people are already worried enough with there properties ie, orams, what makes you so sure your little venture will even get of the ground? sounds like to much of a risk dont you think?

rtddci


Joined: 29/12/2007
Posts: 842

Message Posted:
11/05/2009 23:41

tommy13

Heres a tip. May I suggest that your new hotel & all seeing & dancing complex has, unlike the new furniture shop off the Girne / Lefkosia road, an access road? It appears that the shop owners simply cut a way through the dual carriageway crash barrier to enable customers to get to the shop which the authorities have closed off again.



Perhaps the furniture shop partners forgot to use international consultants or should have consulted 'the experts' on this forum as you have done?

Izzet



Joined: 01/12/2006
Posts: 920

Message Posted:
11/05/2009 23:42

This thread is now closed. Reason: Thread was addressed and no need for further posts.

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
11/05/2009 23:46

Cypwine , im sure about my ventures and there is no risk as far as im concerned and they will be going ahead , thank you . Arbee ,,, - i have the right to discretion and dont have to answer everything im asked , im not here to prove anything , , as i said it was just a little personal market research . Cypwine and arbee you guys sound like your from the ROC and are ever so negative about trnc investments as if you dont want them to happen .........