Cyprus Mail allegedly publishes APOEL lies about Embargoed!

malsancak


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Message Posted:
13/12/2009 10:26

"An article appeared in the Cyprus Mail on December 11th 2009, in which APOEL the south Cyprus football club is alleged to have accused Embargoed! of having lied about their involvement with the Metropolitan Police..."

Read more at http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2009/12/13/cyprus-mail-allegedly-publishes-apoel-lies-about-embargoed/

rdsteve


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Message Posted:
13/12/2009 11:23

Mal noticed you have not published anything about the suppression of the Kurdish polititions in Turkey why is this.

doddies


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Message Posted:
13/12/2009 11:29

What has Kurdish politicians in Turkey got to do with Cyprus?

malsancak


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Message Posted:
13/12/2009 11:30

the title of the newspaper is "North Cyprus Free Press" and so I mostly publish articles directly impacting on north Cyprus. I also have not published anything about suppression in the rest of the world but rdsteve, I'd consider an article from you if you'd like to write it.



The reason for this article is because Cyprus Mail has included a link to NCFP and infers that we published lies. OK?

malsancak


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Message Posted:
13/12/2009 11:31

Thank you doddies, you beat me to it!

rdsteve


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Message Posted:
13/12/2009 11:51

As the TRNC is alligned with Turkey and wants to be with Turkey it does have an impact on North Cyprus as the Turkish goverment is rulling TRNC. One person standing by a policeman at a football match does not mean they had anything to do with the organisation of the crowd. You say the Cyprus mail printed lies well let embargoed prove they were in with the Met police and Chelsea organising the Apoel fans. I think it was disgusting what the Apoel fans in Nicosia did so Embargoed give the Cyprus Mail proof that you were in on the organisation and let them print it.



Steve

Maz


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Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
13/12/2009 12:14

Yea, read all about it in Cyprus Mail. Embargoed has asked for the right to reply, but some of us have got in there already.

Just see some of the very sad, comments that have been made, which makes some of us despair of a good and proper future.

Why not add your own comment?

Neither Cyprus Free Press nor Embargoed! are in to untruths, and Cyprus Mail is printing a 'comment' which is incorrect, but most media carries the sentence ';The views of the contributors are not necessarily those of the editor.' but maybe the editor thought it was time to have some 'fun'.



One good thing, is that it keeps Embargoed! in the news, and that cannot be bad, for as Fevzi (chairman of E!) said 'Someone is rattled!.

jinyx


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Message Posted:
13/12/2009 12:39

Re msg 2, well said that man !. And to reply, " what has that got to do with north cyprus" , beggers belief, think about it.

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
13/12/2009 13:04

If I can speak for Malcolm for a moment, I think his reason for publishing NCFP is to bring to the notice of people items of news which might be of interest to them, as it pertains to TRNC. It is also aimed at people who already have a basic understanding of the subject commented on and does not usually delve in great depth. I would suggest that the Kurdish problem, as serious as it may be, does not fit in with these parameters.

jinyx


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Posts: 161

Message Posted:
13/12/2009 13:24

I'm dammed sure malcolm can speak for himself, as proved. We harp on here about EMBARGOED all the time, and the point which needs to be considered is turkeys track record on human rights, regards the kurdish, which is shocking, So taking that record into account, how the hell can they complain about the treatment of turkish north cyprus by the rest of the world?.



Marie b, A little biased I fear, when it comes to trnc, but whats your opinion on the kurdish problem?

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
13/12/2009 13:33

Of course Malcolm can speak for himself, but speaking for myself then, I read NCFP as the articles often impinge on me and/or my interests in TRNC, i.e. this is very much a "local rag" with little or no other "news". If Malcolm were to start to publish articles on other, no less important but perhaps less pertinent news items, he might find the publication going beyond the average readers interests.

TheSaints



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Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
13/12/2009 13:40

Is there a Kurdish problem in the TRNC?

No therefore I would not expect or wish to read about it in the NCFP, I hope Malcolm keeps it restricted to TRNC issues only.

If I wish to read about Turkish politics then I will read BRTK or the likes of which I do almost daily.

Keep up the good work Malcolm.

jinyx


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Posts: 161

Message Posted:
13/12/2009 13:44

Re msg 11: fair point, and taken in.



Re msg 12: Three monkeys come to mind, see, hear and speak no evil!.

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
13/12/2009 13:49

You either read but do not see or you see but you do not read to make a nonsensical comment like that last one.

jinyx


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Message Posted:
13/12/2009 14:14

You could also say, is there a trnc problem in london,.... no, so I dont expect to read about in the British press. Somehow I cant see you saying that!.



Maybe you have not got the nouse to see the sense in my last comment.

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
13/12/2009 14:21

As far as I know, there isn't a TRNC "problem" in London.....but if there was I might not expect to read about it in all the UK papers but I would certainly expect to read about it NCFP. For an item to be newsworthy it has to be of relevence to its readership.

jinyx


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Message Posted:
13/12/2009 14:28

I take it then, Vaughan, you have not read or heard about the turkish cypriot gang wars over drug turf thats going on in London?. I take it that you didnt see the pictures of the shot out Range rover splashed in the press in the UK and all over europe, only a few weeks ago? DONT KID YOURSELF.

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
13/12/2009 14:32

Oh Dear

You really should spout about what you know and not what you think you know I currently work for clients in Northern Iraq, (Kurdistan) I supervise over 90 Kurdish employees and do business with many more so naturally I meet quite a few as friends in a social setting. I am also privvy to and attend meetings not daily but at least 1 or 2 times per week where amongst the attendees are both Kurdish and Turkish businessmen and also Turkish and Kurdish govt officials, who all get on and they will as Turkey wants the Kurdish Oil and Gas pipeline business.

Now what I am saying is the NCFP is specific to Northern Cyprus and should only contain TRNC issues as that is what it was conceived for why change the format when you can read about Turkish politics in many other public ations that were conceived for that purpose.

Would you read an auto mag to read about tropical fish???

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
13/12/2009 14:41

You will forgive me for sounding insular but I see this as an LTC (London Turkish Cypriot) "problem" and not a TRNC problem. For an item to be newsworthy in NCFP it must be relevent to Cyprus in general and TRNC in particular and be of interest to its readership. Although it is not solely read by ex-pats it is largely read by people who either live in TRNC or have an interest there. Events abroad must have relevence to TRNC or I wouldn't expect to read about them in NCFP.

jinyx


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Posts: 161

Message Posted:
13/12/2009 14:45

Oh Dear...

Cars and fish are far removed. But turkish kurdish, and TRNC?, no, I dont think so. Its all down to human rights, or lack of them , be it by the rest of the world with the trnc, or the turks with the kurds. Do you really, in you wildest dreams, think that ther isn't a turkish/kurdish problem?, because thats how your comments come across. These people you quote might get on at the higher scale, but only because they are lining each others pockets. What about the common people further down the scale?

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
13/12/2009 14:49

Msg 19



Agreed,

jinyx


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Message Posted:
13/12/2009 14:50

Vaughn, the pictures and story I am referring to was in papers all over europe, so how on earth can you say it is of no concern in cyprus when it involves turkish CYPRIOTS, come on!.

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
13/12/2009 14:54

Msg 22



You really either have not got the concept of the NCFP or you have but you dont like it and want to change it.

Where in TRNC is London??

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
13/12/2009 14:54

I'm not sure quite what you are driving at here as you appear to be on a bit of a different wavelength. However, if I said that for any news item to actually be "news" in NCFP there needs to be a common denominator which, in this case, is the TRNC/Cyprus. Kurds and their situation in Turkey or Turkish Cypriots in UK do not contain this common denominator, hence they are not newsworthy in NCFP, in my opinion.

jinyx


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Message Posted:
13/12/2009 15:04

Msg 23: LAPTA, well at least half of london seem to live there!.



Msg 24 : I think the common denominator, you refer to in the second part of you reply is quite obvious. Turkish cypriots = cyprus = news of interest in cyprus. as for the kurdish issue, that was in response to msg 2 and 3.

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
13/12/2009 15:06

jiynx



re msg 13



turkish cypriot drug wars in london ,he he ,the drug wars in london have absolutely zero to do with



cypriots ,the shootings you are referring to are between mainland turks and kurdish gangs,so please



get it right mate ,and do not make statements like that .





musin



long live the kktc

jinyx


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Posts: 161

Message Posted:
13/12/2009 15:16

Musin, I will simply refer you to the story which was printed in Cyprus today which clearly states that it was, in that particular instance, Turkish Cypriots . I know there are gang wars between kurds, turks and also albanians and pakistanis in London, However I was referring to One incident which I feel concerned any press in trnc. I got it right mate and will make any statement I want, as can you, thats called freedom of speach mate!.

TheSaints



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Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
13/12/2009 15:35

There you go, you read it in Cyprus Today which reports World News, no need to see it in NCFP which only reports Local news and living in TRNC issues, two different publications with different concepts.

jinyx


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Posts: 161

Message Posted:
13/12/2009 15:48

In that case, what about certain drug dealing, so called, builders, who scammed a lot of people in trnc, but are in a british prison?. That was reported in ncfp, should it have been?. I think so, and I think it was.

MUSIN M


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Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
13/12/2009 15:49

jinyx



why not put a link to your statement so we can all read it ,and stop making such sweeping

remarks about turkish cypriots .



one incident ,which you refer to about.... the RANGE ROVER was not a cypriot as you say

but a mainlander,never mind what you read in the papers ,shot by a kurdish gang ,this

has been ongoing for over a year and so far 8 members from the gangs have been shot



turkish cypriots in london do not run drug gangs ,but hey like you say freedom of speech

and all ,so continue to post rubbish ,after all their your posts .



musin



long live the kktc

exnavalperson


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Posts: 224

Message Posted:
13/12/2009 17:36

A.J. Do you think it is time to close this, as jinx has taken completely off thread.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
13/12/2009 17:43

RE msg 32, Secretcove: (...) how come nc f p gets away with so much advertising on here ? (...)

=> You'd better think about another exciting thread - I found your "What you eating today ?" breathtaking.

TheSaints



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Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
13/12/2009 17:44

SC



Easy, he asked for permission and it was granted "ask and ye shall be given"

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
13/12/2009 17:53

The Saints, it must the time of the year but I smell a rat. If "Secrectcove" isn't a certain boardmanager I'll eat my hat. All the signs are there again: error in his nickname, errors in his spelling and punctuation - and another fact which may interest the manager of this C44 board. "Secrectcove" won't be here for long, I guess.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
13/12/2009 17:58

No doubt anymore: "Secrectcove"? Hi, Nige!

Maz


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Message Posted:
13/12/2009 17:59

Much of this seems off track! And I am sure that Mal would be happy to receive words for the NCFP from anyone who feels they have something valid to say. The Kurdish situation is kinda appropriate as there are many kurds living in N.Cyprus, but Mal as editor of the paper chooses what he feels is appropriate for the week.

May I just say that I find the way that our minds work as intriguing. You can't beat the study of human 'beans' can you. Interesting that someone seems as biased in favour of N.Cyprus. I don't think I am, but I am biased in favour of human rights for all, including Israel, Palestine, Turkey, Kurds, Cypriots, Brits, French, ....... and anyway that human rights are not upheld.

As to what I think of the Kurdish situation - I am not well enough informed to say much, other than any suffering is wrong, wrong, wrong; any oppression is wrong, wrong, wrong, and any injustice from one human to another is wrong, wrong, wrong, but one cannot brand all of one nationality as bei

Maz


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Message Posted:
13/12/2009 18:03

oops - I meant to finish with "as being representative of the entire nation, no more than one can brand the south based on the behaviour of some fanatics within the GC community.

And I apologise that my super fast typing speed made some mistakes. But I will let you find them.

If only those of us with opinions could actually DO something to right the many wrongs. That is what Embargoed! does, and maybe someone should start an organisation for the Kurds if they feel strongly about it. Trouble is that most of us do not have sufficient standing in the community to be able to do anything, other than try to create awareness - and surely that is what Mal is tyring to do> Or am I wrong, Mal!?

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
13/12/2009 18:29

Hans, message 33. AJ, I believe, actually picked this up from one of "secretcove's" postings on another thread. I must say, I was a little surprised when Dee replied to his message about what people were eating today! She is obviously blissfully unaware



Regards.



J

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
13/12/2009 18:31

Hans, message 33. AJ, I believe, actually picked this up from one of "secretcove's" postings on another thread. I must say, I was a little surprised when Dee replied to his message about what people were eating today! She is obviously blissfully unaware



Regards.



J

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
13/12/2009 18:43

RE msg 39, googled: You make the same errors in your text as Nigel does and did! Only 4 posts and you know already how to misspell my surname! Like Nigel does and did...



RE msg 44, Jeannie: "What you eating today ?" is a typical hot item for the other board. I guess Nigel got bored with his own board. Understandable, because his members start complaining that nothing is happening there...

malsancak


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Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
13/12/2009 20:11

As I said in Msg4, if someone wants to write an article about the Kurdish situation, I would be happy to publish it. What's all this kerffufle about me not publishing things? I haven't received any such article and that's why I haven't published it. As for me writing an article about the Kurds, I don't know enough to write such an article personally, I was hoping that one of the more knowledgeable contributors to Cyp44 could write a FACTUAL article for me.

jinyx


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Posts: 161

Message Posted:
13/12/2009 21:31

ref msg31: exnavelperson, so i have taken it off thread?, I suggest you read msg 2 before you say that!. I was simply following that "thread". A.J., thankyou for ignoring that stupid request.

Musin, dont go accusing me of knocking turkish cypriots, I am married to one. As for your stance, which seems to say " theres no bad turkish cypriots", get real. I am from northern ireland and I admit there are a lot of good people from there, but also a lot of utter bastards, dont twist words and take things out of context. What we were discussing here was articles in cyprus mail, annd what should be reported, simple as that!. I for one, know that the turkish cypriots were treated like shite in cyprus, pre 74, so dont play that old card on me.

MUSIN M


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Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
13/12/2009 22:50

jiynx



i am just correcting your post and do not care if you are married to a tc ,and where did i write

that all tc,s were good ,you cannot just write untruths and post improper remarks .



there is good and bad in everyone ,regardless of race ,religion or colour .

i am married to an irish girl and have been since i was 22 ,however i don,t claim to know everything

about the irish .so if you want to know where i stand ,i stand for parallelism and justness.



musin



long live the kktc

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
13/12/2009 22:56

The way we end 2009 on this board I have little hope for 2010...

Earlybird


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Message Posted:
14/12/2009 07:29

Peace and goodwill and all that?

Maz


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Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
14/12/2009 19:54

And don't forget 'joy' (we should never leave 'her' out)



If only everyone in the world operated on those basic ethics of peace and goodwill to everyone and 'love your neighbour as yourself' we wouldn't be tlaking about the Cyprus problem an d its solution, it would have already happened.

So, maybe we need to add 'hope' to the list!

'God bless us every one' and I am no Tiny Tim

Earlybird


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Message Posted:
14/12/2009 20:48

Re msg 53 - well said MarieB