HOLIDAY HOMES FROM HELL - ITV tonight at 9pm (UK time)

HildySmith


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Message Posted:
12/07/2011 10:55

The Incesu site is featured on

Holiday Homes from Hell, which is shown tonight on ITV.

The 2 uncompleted houses in the front row do not belong to any of the 7 UK buyers - they belong to the landowner Hasan Sungur

Hector


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Message Posted:
12/07/2011 11:12

And still the TRNC politicians / legal profession do nothing.

araneae


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Message Posted:
12/07/2011 11:25

fiddling whilst rome burns springs to mind.

HildySmith


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Message Posted:
12/07/2011 17:56

5 Years in November since these people have waited for their home. Cafer Yucelgazi is the Constructor and Hasan Sungur is the Landowner - Both have recently been in court regarding this matter and still nothing is done.

All 7 British buyers have paid their full staged payments except the last one which is due to take place when the property is handed over. One client paid extra in order to get the job done.

The Land is owned by Hasan Sungur

Who had a contract with the builder Cafer Yucelgazi- an unregistered builder (but did not sign the buyers contracts).

The houses were built on land with no build permit

They paid for Electricity Transfoer - which never appeared.......

What next

Hector


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Message Posted:
12/07/2011 17:59

Just don't mention it to certain posters on the ''I love Northern Cyprus' post. Might smear their rose tinted spectacles.

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
12/07/2011 18:00

Hector - I was just thinking the same thing

HildySmith


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Message Posted:
12/07/2011 18:01

I love Northern Cyprus too!!!!

HildySmith


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Message Posted:
12/07/2011 18:02

But I am not blind to what is happening here

'there but for the grace of God go I'

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
12/07/2011 18:17

Hasan Sungur had a separate Contract with Constructor, his was for villas in return for the land. As Hildy, and the rest of them, the Constructor has not finished his villas, so he too is a victim. I have been told that he has offered the land to the victims for £20,000 each, interest free and they can take as long as they like to pay.



Terrible situation for them, but not hopeless, if they own the land, they would be a step ahead.

HildySmith


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Message Posted:
12/07/2011 18:18

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Again - Cut & Paste saves so much time, but sadly gets all the errors too.....

is it High or is it HIgh..............

That is the question

and he did it all in a minute!!!!!!

HildySmith


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Message Posted:
12/07/2011 18:25

Ahhhhh

Here we go again......

I buy a house in TRNC and loose my house in the UK ro pay for it and am left with a Crumbling house in which is on Hasan Sungur's land and 'HE' is the VICTIM???????

Now tell Kuluxiz (can't spell it) 5 that the Bank is the VICTIM!!!!!!! because they put their money good faith builder and the builder let the Bank down

Come On!!!!!!!!!

They have had a chance to live in their houses, and I understand Paultine Reade has received money for her bother, the Incesu buyers have got nothing. I agree with one thing if you think that Hasan Sungur is the victim the you are MISUNDERSTOOD.......... I wonder why?????

HildySmith


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Message Posted:
12/07/2011 18:28

I wonder if Pauline got her interview with Hasan Sungur - she tried really hard to butter him up, I hope it was worth it.

Misunderstoods figure of £20k Is crap - find out what goes with it Pauline I am sure Hasan will give you an interview - would you like me to indtroduce him to you. It is clear that Marian didn't!!!!!!!!!!!!

stelee77


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Message Posted:
12/07/2011 18:35

This happens everywhere in the med.



You have to cover yourself.

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
12/07/2011 18:58

HildySmith Pauline has received nothing! to my knowledge the Orams have received nothing, Aga victims have received nothing, and there are many, many more who have given their money to the TRNC and received nothing! your certainly not alone, hundreds of us are trying to help future victims understand the situation there!



Having said that, I sincerely hope that people like stelee77 fairs better, he at least has been warned unlike the victims of 2003/4/5



Cover yourself well stelee77 you will need to! there is none so blind

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
12/07/2011 19:05

As you know Catherine, I am Pauline Read and I am from Kulaksiz 5 and I did win the Breach of Contract

case and I AM STILL WAITING FOR THE MONEY. This is the reason I am now part of the K5 ongoing case and the ECHR case. Clearly you know very little about the K5 case or you wouldn't write such nonsense. I hate the Bank and have been arrested on their instructions. As for having received money, you are delusional, I have never received one penny from anyone and I rather suspect you know that but because you have no other ammunition you are resorting to making things up. Deliberate lies are libel.



I have now met Mr Sungur, a week ago, not to interview him.



Catherine, why would I cut and paste 4 lines, I am a Luddite and not good at any of those things.



I trust no-one and that includes you.



I know after the court case you and Hasan Sungur agreed to work together and shook hands on it. If £20,000 is crap, why is there something for me to find out that goes with it

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
12/07/2011 19:56

Think the cut and paste referred to DC's posting.

Bradus


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Message Posted:
12/07/2011 20:09

Stelee77



Have you ever thought that people are responding to your posts because you really are coming across as a sitting duck? Your arrogance and complete refusal to take constructive information and learn from it is worrying. You wish only for "positive" posts and belittle everyone who attempts to share their experience with you. Decent folks who do not want what happened to them to happen to you.



Living in the TRNC may be a happy time in your life. However it will be marred if you don't have a house, spend most of your time in your advocates or the court and end up not just paying for your unbuilt house but all the builders debts too.



If you are as enlightened as you say and know of a safe way to purchase, then please feel free to share this with us all. Guessing that people have not done their homework and gambling on the fact that "some" have bought without problems is hardly reassuring.



By the way, more property problems now than during the boom.

stelee77


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Message Posted:
12/07/2011 21:01

Well i plan to rent for six months,that will give me plenty of time to make sure all is okay if i feel there is a danger i will not risk it,but it is a fact that most people buy without problems,if i do buy and i get stitched up i will blame myself.



I undersatnd what your saying but im fairly certain ill be fine,i will leave no stone unturned,Its my decision my choice and if it all goes pair shaped,i will have to live with it.



I have had so much great advice on this forum about so many matters and thankfully most people are very happy and have not had to many problems with there purchase,i have also been told of the pitfalls as well.



I would never buy off plan anyway anywhere.



I would like to thank you all for the information over the last few weeks,good and bad,and i look forward to very happy times in the beautifull trnc.

cooper


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Message Posted:
12/07/2011 21:17

The only thing to remember stelee77 is if and when you do decide to buy is to only buy something that as already been fully constructed with all services already in place and that the person you are buying of as the kocan with both the property and the land its built on in their name.



If you follow the above you wont go far wrong because you will have bypassed the stage when the majority of the problems occur.

HildySmith


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Message Posted:
12/07/2011 21:41

Misunderstood

You are right, I know nothing about k5 other than what I have read in the papers and the K5 people told me.

I know nothing about any money you have received or not received

I NEVER tell lies - it is just not worth it! I only know 'what I have been told' and 'as I understand it'

I am sure you will have found out all the conditions linked to £20k that you stated

HildySmith


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Message Posted:
12/07/2011 22:06

Stellee77

You sound as if you have done your homework - we thought we had too.

However, we did not think of renting first - I wish we had. I think you are doing the right thing by renting first. However, don't judge too quickly, we lived in one area and were glad to get our of it. We now live in another area and we love it. We are living in rented property and wished we had rented here and never bought the house. We could have rented here for 30y ears for the price we paid for the house and left our capital in the bank and earned interest. Now we have nothing. We love TRNC and enjoy our lives here. We brought one dog and now have 3 (2 were abandoned KAR dogs who had had 16 puppies between them). We also acquired 3 cats who come to us for food - 2 like to be stroked the other one just wants feeding and knows how to yell for his dinner.

Life is what you make of it anywhere and I am sure it all goes to plan for you, you will enjoy living here too.

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
12/07/2011 22:16

Hildy



I will be watching tonight! and realise how hard it must be for you! but you are where to want to be? and you are enjoying? I do know it doesn't make what has be done to you any easier to swallow! nor will it be for any future victims! lets hope stelee77 listens and learns

philbailey


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Message Posted:
12/07/2011 23:19

Nice to see the Spanish government gave that couple

26,000 euros to help them

even through the insurance did not cover them

stelee77


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Message Posted:
12/07/2011 23:27

cooper



this is my point, if building from scratch is to risky,ill just buy something resale with deeds in place.



Hidysmith im very sorry for you,but its great you still love the place and keep your chin up,good luck.

stelee77


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Message Posted:
12/07/2011 23:43

That is really sad,what a lovely villa and area,what a beautifull place.



Off plan is so risky.

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
12/07/2011 23:47

msg 24. But according to you on previous posts you don't see it as risky because you know people who haven't had problems, has this programme brought it home to you yet? you just don't want to hear the negatives do you.

philbailey


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Message Posted:
12/07/2011 23:48

At least they got the point across



Do not buy but rent



I wonder what happened to the other people on that site?

Bradus


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Message Posted:
12/07/2011 23:55

Most are renting in the TRNC. One of the important points made was that even though they had paid in full they were not the legal owners. Would you feel safe living in that villa, even if finished off?

philbailey


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Message Posted:
13/07/2011 00:02

Is it on exchange land?

stelee77


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Message Posted:
13/07/2011 00:03

No not at all,i would not buy of plan anyway,that has not put me of buying at all,cooper is right in his earlier post,but i have always said its a horrible thing to happen,what makes it worse is how nice the villa and area is it must be heart breaking.



That programe proves off plan is risky anywhere.



I think in this case it will be resoved.



It looks amazing

Washerman


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Message Posted:
13/07/2011 00:10

I watched the programme and I think that the 'overiding' impression that viewers will be left with is that the problem has arisen because of a dispute over how much money is left to be paid.

The main argument as we 'know' and 'understand' it - that, the 'law' and 'system' that allows this to happen is at fault - didn't come across at all.

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
13/07/2011 00:12

HildySmith



Have just watched "Holiday Homes from Hell" and it seems the Spanish couple will be fine, the London couple will be fine, and the Southend gentleman will be fine, all ok and smiling! apart from you and your husband the TRNC victims :-( sadly par for the course...... so many of us continue to fight on............. Keep fighting Catherine!

philbailey


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Message Posted:
13/07/2011 00:13

Msg 31, that was the impression I got



an individual dispute



BUT the other un-finished buildings seem to suggest otherwise

philbailey


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Message Posted:
13/07/2011 00:16

Sorry are the people concerned members here ?



or do they not post here ?

Jonesy299


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Message Posted:
13/07/2011 00:17

Apparently the programme has just been screened - feedback I've had is that (for once) the political situation didn't figure at all and the usual 'Homes from Hell' tripe that all properties belonged to GCs and all were subject to demolition and all were sold illegally etc etc were avoided.



It was simply a story of a very unfortunate couple whose promises from a builder / developer had not been fulfilled which seems to echo a number of stories that can be found across the Mediterranean (and indeed in UK).



Very unfortunate for the couple (and I do hope it works out for them) but refreshing not to have all TRNC property experiences tarred with the same pre and post 1974 brush.

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
13/07/2011 00:30

Jonesy299 (mess35)



There are many unfortunate couples in the TRNC! the difference between them and the rest of the EU is that there is no recompense for any victim investing in Northern Cyprus, it maybe refreshing for you, but for hundreds of us, there seems no way out of the midden! Keep refreshing yourself on the 1974 property brush!

philbailey


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Message Posted:
13/07/2011 00:40

Msg 36 , I think msg 35

is trying to reassure themself

Clarissa2


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Message Posted:
13/07/2011 01:04

Re : Msg 30,

"...It looks amazing."



Do you suffer from eye disorders or vision problems?

philbailey


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Message Posted:
13/07/2011 01:06

Msg 38, maybe the N/Cyprus rose tinted specs ?

Bradus


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Message Posted:
13/07/2011 01:13

I think he must mean looks amazing in terms of how a brand new build can be slipping of a mountain side.

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
13/07/2011 06:50

Wasn't able to see the programme so cannot comment.



Catherine, I do hope things work out for you. I think there is hope for you if you negotiate with Mr Sungur. If the K5 landowner had been cheated by the builder I would have expected to have had to pay something for the land even though the purchase price included it, that was not our case. No landowner is going to hand over his land for nothing. At the time the landower had a separate Contract with the builder it was allowed and the law here, as we have found to our cost, is not retrospective. You have had your 15 minutesof fame and now you need to talk iwith Sungur.



So far Catherine, the rumour mill has had me sell my villa before the auction for £220,000 (C44 ) received the award of £120,000, a TC paper said I had two villas with pools in the south - ALL OF WHICH IS UNTRUE. The true situation is, I have no villa now along with Eva McCluskey and no money for it. At least the rest of K5 still have their villas.

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
13/07/2011 07:04

Catherine, I am not in the pocket of Sungur but bitter experience has taught me that not talking will cost you dearly and I do want you to get your villa, I do want you to be happy.



Catherine you did put 'I understand Pauline Read has received money for her bother', I also know that there is a member of K5 who has lied about me so I do not totally blame you. It is sad to know that someone in the group would do that but that is the way it is.

rigsby


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Message Posted:
13/07/2011 10:15

We watched,but who is the estate agent?

stelee77


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Message Posted:
13/07/2011 12:35

If that villa was completed it would have looked great,the location was really nice,it has reminded me how nice the north is especially the harbour and the beach they where on.



Im sorry if the programe did not show the doom and gloom some of you hoped for

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
13/07/2011 12:47

stelee77. I think you are the biggest wind up on here yet.

ivebinad


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Message Posted:
13/07/2011 12:48

Woodspeckie, I have thought that since he/she started posting.

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
13/07/2011 12:51

Message 44 - yes, I agree the beach they WERE on certainly looked lovely. I know which beach this is but it doesn't look much like that when they have crammed about 5 million sunbeds and umbrellas on it

stelee77


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Posts: 557

Message Posted:
13/07/2011 13:17

Im not a wind up



Seriously i thought every thing they showed last night looked really nice,and this is the reason those nice people wanted to buy there.

TimothyCadman


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Message Posted:
13/07/2011 13:50

Rigsby,

It would be unfair to name the Estate Agent as the properties would have been marketed by many of them. The Estate Agent only INTRODUCES buyers to sellers, all contracts signed only ever mention the buyer and seller; so the only arguments that can take place are between the buyer and seller about what the contracts mean. The only other contract that exisits is between the seller and the estate agent.

HildySmith


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Message Posted:
13/07/2011 21:45

The Villa is beautiful and the setting is perfect.

The villas were expensive when purchased as they were also reduce from £95k to £87k to draw sales. They are small compared to the villas we have lived in although it does have 3 bedrooms. The kitchen is tiny, but we had that exteneded. We paid extra for other items to be installed ie central heating, silver white goods, etc. The villa has very small gardens. So the cost of the villas was comparable with others at around the same prices/size etc.

Our Estate Agent has been excellent. She has been a fantastic support throughout the 5 years we have been trying to sort this out. We would have been a lot worse off if we had not had her help, guidance and support throughout. She has worked tirelessly with us and attended meetings, sent emails, contacted people etc when her part of the arrangement was already completed and she had no legal responsibility to take the matter any further, as stated above by Timothy Cadman.

HildySmith


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Message Posted:
13/07/2011 21:46

Sorry that should read 'were not expensive' on the 2nd line

gazza765


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Message Posted:
13/07/2011 22:03

Whilst I am very sorry for all the people who are having issues with property, developers and all sort of other issues, some of which were aired on last nighst on holiday homes from hell, surely the bashers of TRNC could not of failed to notice the deplorable issue that is going on right under our noses in the wonderful UK, I am talking about the issue of squaters and the fact that the law has no powers against this and it costs owners thousands of pounds in legal fees.

As previously said there are all sorts of issues in many countries not just TRNC.

Quarmby


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Message Posted:
13/07/2011 22:14

gazza765



doesn't the TRNC have the same problem? Tenants who do not pay rent and the owners cannot evict them and don't forget the squatters at the kulakazis site!!!



At least the UK government are putting forward a Bill today to make squatting illegal. What measures are the TRNC government doing to overcome the problems in the TRNC?

gazza765


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Message Posted:
13/07/2011 22:26

Quarmby,



Point taken, but uk are supposed to be world leaders, cannot say the same for TRNC

Quarmby


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Message Posted:
13/07/2011 22:31

gazza



I totally agree with you and I find it disgusting that the UK goverments have failed to act on this problem earlier. It is sad that the TRNC government appear deaf and blind to the problems expats and some locals are suffering.

gazza765


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Posts: 19

Message Posted:
13/07/2011 22:36

Quarmby,



I think we will have to be careful as I totally agree with you and that does not seem to happen to much on this forum. All we can hope is that the government in TRNC wake up quickly and put there house in order but I fear this will be a long wait.

philbailey


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Message Posted:
14/07/2011 13:16

Hope the programme helps

Lilli



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Message Posted:
15/07/2011 01:31

Hildy I watched it and my heart went out to you. You are so strong and keep the faith love xxxxxx

HildySmith


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Message Posted:
15/07/2011 13:34

Thanks Lilli

I just hope that others do not fall into the same traps which we did.

We trusted an advocate and he dropped us right in it.

Now we have and advoate who we trust - I only wish I had known him then, but he was in the UK studying law and working in a Solicitors office in the UK.

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
16/07/2011 16:40

I wish you well too Hildy whichever way you choose to go. No one deserves to have the stress you have.



I am pleased you changed Advocates.

Hector


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Message Posted:
16/07/2011 18:24

Now why do I think that the programme will not have the slightest effect on the TRNC politicians, developers, advocates, estate agents etc etc?

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
16/07/2011 22:22

Sadly I have to agree with you Hector. Where there is no shame, there is no honour.

philbailey


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 21:59

Any official response yet?

rowlo



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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 22:01

it clashes with the apprentice ?

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 22:36

Apparently "Homes from Hell" this week is again in Cyprus, perhaps it will be the South this time? either way it keeps the UK informed!



rowlo



The apprentice finishes tonight, so Tuesday is clash free!



philbailey



Any official response isn't needed most will latch onto the content! if you get my drift!



Hector



As for anyone in the TRNC caring? soooo funny

philbailey


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 22:41

Msg 65 , there was very little mention of Cyprus

or disputed land

it was more like he/she did not pay on either side

I watched the programme

no mention of the seller or estate agent

no real warning of buying in Cyprus

HildySmith


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Message Posted:
20/07/2011 15:48

the land is 'exchange' land

the builder is now claiming that he is owed for extra's:

- Concrete and metal to builder the swimming pool - included in sale and not finished

- Conrete and metal to build a retaining wall - not built which is why we have the mountain moving down

- Tiles for the floors etc - included incontract

- Tiles on terraces and exteranl areas - not finished (there was not concrete under the terrace which is why is washed away.

In total he is claiming these extras come to £44k plus interest with the £8k we owe (when the property is completed) he is claiming £67k for a house which originally cost £87k. There is not roads, infrastructure, build permit, water, electric etc.

Cafer Yucelgazi's sums just do not add up - just as his buildings do not add up

Hector


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Message Posted:
25/07/2011 22:26

Video clip of programme now on Youtube



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WbhqZNGrrk