do you think Britain is finished

roey65


Joined: 07/01/2009
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 21:08

I am wondering what people think about Britain . I know that the British attitude is to moan about blighty but after recent events , with the credit crunch i seriously think that Britain is finished , what do you think ?

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 21:24

No,no way will bounce back..look what it was like after the war.all pull together

long ago it was the hand of friendship that went a long long way...the banks will change.proft and economy.etc, dont give up hope.most of us have children at home, where there is a will there is hope...











spider.x

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 21:28

Re msg 2, spider : (...) like after the war (...)



===> Iraq?

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 21:29

roey65 - I think at the moment that this is probably the 'thin end of the wedge' and that things are set to get worse before (hopefully) they get better. Personally, I am not optimistic about the future of Britain in many respects. I find it very sad that Britain, once a great nation, is now, apparently, going to hell in a handcart. I feel sorry for our children's generation. However, having said that, I do feel that there are still a lot worse places to live.

Regards

J

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 21:33

D.C..Are you Schizophrenic..is it meddication time..!!

















SPIDER..

dodger



Joined: 29/07/2007
Posts: 1895

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 21:37

Come on Roey get your pecker up man,wheres that good old Dunkirk spirit.We are in the grips of a world recession.,

Paul.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 21:44

RE msg 5, spider: (...) D.C..Are you Schizophrenic..is it meddication time..!! (...)



===> I only asked you a one-word question - obviously too difficult.



PS. *Your* medication is called spell checker.



PPS. Why do you make your postings 10 times longer than necessary? All the space between your posting and your signature does not make your contribution more valuable. To say it kindly.

bachelibelly


Joined: 04/09/2008
Posts: 275

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 21:58

Britain was finished long before the CC. Now just a port of call for all the dropouts and driftwood that wash up to our shores ,we'll have every Tom ,Dick and Harry whoops SORRY CANT SAY THAT ANY MORE IT AINT PC.No i'll tell you what it is its F****** C***.More taxpayers money spent on opening new centres for one legged ,dyslexic,stress related lesbians (no dissin love ya reli)or 3rd homes for incompetent,corrupt polifuknosewhattheyare, dont get me started on the wanch of bunkers that supposedly run financial institutions,dont give me world economic crisis either ,the banks have been throwing money at third world countries for years without a hope in hell of it getting repayed,write off BILLIONS then screw the British account holder with obscene charges,whilst piping music down your ears telling you how easy it is to bank,while you queue for an hour to get served due to what ,THE CREDIT CRUNCH...My ar**......

redtom


Joined: 30/12/2008
Posts: 116

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 22:05

Britain is still the best country in the world ! 99.9 percent of people are still law abiding and decent ! Very easy to criticise but hard to praise .

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 22:07

Bang on Bachelibelly, and the sooner we ditch this ridiculous EU crap the better

bachelibelly


Joined: 04/09/2008
Posts: 275

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 22:11

Redtom ,any room on your planet for the extra landfill weve got !!!!

bachelibelly


Joined: 04/09/2008
Posts: 275

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 22:16

Redtom ,Apologies, just read your occupation in the UK so as far as you are concerned the more rubbish the better,(sorry couldnt resist its only the humour that makes it worthwhile,and start givin Manure a run for their money willya)

fredred


Joined: 09/12/2007
Posts: 89

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 22:18

I agree with redtom, definitely the best Country in the world, only down side the weather.

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 22:28

Britain or more accurately the United Kingdom will IMO not exist within the next 5-10 years.



The Scots already have their own government and are only a small step, referendum bill notwithstanding, from full independence. The Welsh and Northern Irish have devolved administrations. I think the English also deserve to have their own parliament.



When the Tories win the next general election it will be good news for the ScotNats, as they know the prospect of any kind of federal Conservative rule over Scotland will drive forward an independence vote from the people.



I still look fondly on the Union flag and we were all united as British during the war, but that was nearly 70 years ago and things have moved on. I look forward to the day I can hand in my British passport.

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 22:33

Macha

and replace it with what?

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 22:35

"a Turkish one" ?

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 22:38

An Alex Salmond one, natch.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 22:49

Na .he wants to hang on to it in case he has to come back to this godforsaken country to get some freebies of some sort.I have no objections to Either Scotland or Wales having their freedom providing they dont expect handouts from England.Could be very interesting to see what would happen.I notice your location is given as N.I. assuming you are from N.I. why would you want a Scottish passport.Why not nip over the border to the south and get an Irish one,should not be to difficult for a man of your caliber,the been doing it for years...No freebies perhaps..

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 22:56

He's about as Irish as you and me Coachie

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 23:01

Coachie,



Last time I checked I'm entitled to an Irish passport as well. Anything as long as it isn't British. But don't let me distract you from your intellectual endeavours.

lovingcyprus


Joined: 02/03/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 23:10

Britain has gone down the pan big time since Tony and now Gordon rule the country. Britain is now probably more communist than Russia with millions now being dependent on the state and that also includes the ever increasing army of Civil Servants.



We must not forget that Gordon saved the world but ------ up Britain and will continue to do so



The sooner the labour mob are kicked out of power the better they are just so corrupt.

fredred


Joined: 09/12/2007
Posts: 89

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 23:17

Lovingcyprus



Do you honestly think the Tories will be any better. I do not think so.

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 23:19

lovingcyprus: "Britain is now probably more communist than Russia..."



Sorry, but is that irony are were you really being serious?

jock1



Joined: 06/01/2008
Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 23:39

no i don't think it's finished

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 23:42

to many good people died to keep it , will never die //////////////

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 23:49

"It was at this time that Sillars made his famous comment that the Scottish people were '90 minute patriots' (a reference to the amount of time a Football/Soccer match lasts)."



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Sillars



Too many 90-minute patriots around, likesay eh?



Fae the Burgh an' a'...

jock1



Joined: 06/01/2008
Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
06/03/2009 00:06

mon the Hearts !!!

Dixie Normus


Joined: 22/02/2008
Posts: 820

Message Posted:
06/03/2009 00:11

One of the good things about the British people is that when their backs are to the wall they come out fighting hard, Ok the country has been running backwards due to years of a nation being disinterested in the political dickheads that are more interested in looking after the worlds scum than their own, the worm is starting to turn, we hav'nt hit rock bottom yet, but I believe the phoenix that rises from the ashes will be stronger, wiser and be in a better position to handle itself.



D.N

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
06/03/2009 01:15

Britain finished.......never.

LondonCypriot


Joined: 15/12/2008
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
06/03/2009 01:58

At least you have a decent park and the grass is a lot more greener. At least we don't have to have those air conditioners on, and that electricity and water shit problem.



England is great, rain, green grass, people are well behaved. Recession happens and goes .... life still continues here. In fact England is the best country in the world. Very well organised. At least you don't have pre and the process of buying an house is much more straightforward. And you don't get conned when your on holidays here.

Tootie


Joined: 28/08/2008
Posts: 2037

Message Posted:
06/03/2009 03:43

RE, MSG 28....



Hear Hear!!!



toot.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
06/03/2009 08:41

England will never die..



Jerusalem - a poem by William Blake





And did those feet in ancient time

Walk upon England's mountains green?

And was the holy Lamb of God

On England's pleasant pastures seen?



And did the Countenance Divine

Shine forth upon our clouded hills?

And was Jerusalem builded here

Among these dark satanic mills?



Bring me my bow of burning gold!

Bring me my arrows of desire!

Bring me my spear! O clouds, unfold!

Bring me my chariot of fire!



I will not cease from mental fight,

Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand,

Till we have built Jerusalem

In England's green and pleasant land.

maybemike


Joined: 12/01/2009
Posts: 188

Message Posted:
06/03/2009 09:02

boot the jockout of goverment,he should be in prision.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
06/03/2009 10:41

hi londoncypriot,

you comments on the uk buying process made me smile.

we are at the moment buying a holiday apartment in the uk , the sale has been held up for months and guess why?

title deed problems.

it happens everywhere.



i do think the uk needs to get its house in order, to many claiming free hospital treatment who are not intitled to it. the same goes for benefits.



i am interested at where all this money went that the banks lost.

how can you loose that sort of money?

something doesn't add up.

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
06/03/2009 11:15

I would like to know where Gordon and his mates keep all their money, are they losing interest on savings,nothing ever mentioned about them and their investments losing money

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
06/03/2009 21:00

Fire starter ..probably a couple of dozen speculators that have stashe their ill gotten gains in some off shore safe haven



Maybe mike ..why shouls he be put in prison?? I have no dou btthat the other lot wont be any better!!



London Cypriot.. spoken like a true Brit..



Tiggy..Rule Brittania forever..

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
06/03/2009 23:03

All the 'Iam knocking Britain Brigade' coming over here claiming there are too many foreigners in the UK, you're in a minority here matey, are you complaining?

andysue


Joined: 12/11/2007
Posts: 891

Message Posted:
06/03/2009 23:12

the thing that i hate most about this country is the law courts , its become an absolute joke , every criminal in europe and asia want to opperate here because of the lenient sentenes handed down by twats in silly wigs , i cant wait to get away " answer yes its finished"

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
06/03/2009 23:16

Msg 38,



Well I work in the courts every days and the guys and gals in wigs are using sentencing guidelines handed down from guess where? Parliament. And who puts the politicians in Parliament? The voters. So perhaps the real "tw@ts", as you put it, are the ones who have the government they deserve.

andysue


Joined: 12/11/2007
Posts: 891

Message Posted:
06/03/2009 23:25

rubish macha , i saw a programe one morning were david cameron said enough was enough regarding courts handing down sentences that didnt fit the crime, day after some big wig in a wig warned any incoming government to dare interfere with the powers that be in the courts and to try and force sentences . Q. what would you get in the TRNC for armed robbery or rape or sex with a minor? i rest my case

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
06/03/2009 23:40

If you're basing your argument on something you saw on the telly I can't really debate with you. What I do know is sentencing guidelines, or tariffs, are not decided by the judges or magistrates. They may have some leeway, but not as much as you appear to believe.



As for the court system in the north of Cyprus, any place which does not operate a system of open justice and where some unaccountable, unelected Turkish general calls the shots would be considered very dodgy by most democrats in the western world.

andysue


Joined: 12/11/2007
Posts: 891

Message Posted:
06/03/2009 23:47

well macha im a law abiding person so i dont have to worry about a turkish general sending me to dungeon. all i know im safer in turkish cyprus than i am im shit hole blighty!

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
06/03/2009 23:49

Maybe, but wait until something goes seriously wrong in north Cyprus. That's when people start wishing they were back in dear old Blighty.

andysue


Joined: 12/11/2007
Posts: 891

Message Posted:
06/03/2009 23:56

macha your a GC doom merchant get real will you, TRNC is here to stay and you you aint invited!

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
07/03/2009 01:10

Britain has definitely gone to the dogs!



Last week I attended an AA meeting, and to my horror, each person present stood up and openly admitted to being an alcoholic.



I'm not having these boastful drunkards repairing my car. I can only hope the RAC have more responsible employees.



Lem

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
07/03/2009 02:06

msg 43. Mr T, spouting crap as usual.

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
07/03/2009 03:30

Macha



msg 43 absolutely dead on!!!

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
07/03/2009 03:35

People from the UK have contributed more and had a greater influence on society today than given credit for.



Invented from the UK



Television

Telephone

Rubber Tyre

Asphalt or Tarmac

Penicylin



Sorry invented from from a regional part of the UK

Hippo


Joined: 02/02/2007
Posts: 2070

Message Posted:
07/03/2009 07:47

The Dutch have Tulips and Cheese and I forgot, we gave them thier freedom!!

Aslan


Joined: 23/06/2008
Posts: 757

Message Posted:
07/03/2009 10:04

It is probably better to be a foriegner in a foriegn country than a foriegner in your native country, if that makes sense!

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
07/03/2009 10:16

I don't think so, a foriegner in the UK has rights, we as foriegners in this country have very little rights.

karakum5c



Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 1021

Message Posted:
07/03/2009 11:36

Remember "carry on up the khyber" the film, well that is us the brits no matter what the odds we will stand our ground and not give an inch thats what makes us BRITISH.



If the rest world goes up in flames we would still be forming a queue in an orderly fashion because we have more balls and bottle than any people out there.

Amber


Joined: 26/09/2008
Posts: 561

Message Posted:
07/03/2009 11:39

No way is Britain finished!!!! I am incredibly proud to be british and appreciate it all the more during my time in the TRNC!! I for one cannot wait to get back there.



Britain will be GREAT again !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
07/03/2009 12:14

Oh, to be in England, Now that April's there,

And whoever wakes in England sees, some morning, unaware,

That the lowest boughs and the brushwood sheaf Round the elm-tree bole are in tiny leaf,

While the chaffinch sings on the orchard bough

In England - now!

And after April, when May follows, and the whitethroat builds, and all the swallows

Hark! where my blossomed pear-tree in the hedge

Leans to the field and scatters on the clover

Blossoms and dewdrops - at the bent spray's edge

That's the wise thrush; he sings each song twice over,

Lest you should think he never could recapture

That first fine careless rapture!

And though the fields look rough with hoary dew,

All will be gay when noontide wakes anew

The buttercups, the little children's dower, - Far brighter than this gaudy melon-flower!

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
07/03/2009 12:17

Amber

I agree entirely.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
07/03/2009 12:51

Quarmby..Why live there if you have very little rights...I certainly would not live anywhere not knowing if the house I purchased in good faith was mine or had been sold to me my some corrupt agent and his equally corrupt lawyer friend.Most certainly would not go there with political situation as is. I think that is the reason a lot of ex-pats are trying to comeback home to this "finished country" for a bit of safety...

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
07/03/2009 14:14

andysue: "TRNC is here to stay and you you aint invited!"



And I wonder when you first pitched up? Ten years after me? Reckon your property is safe? Or that you'll ever sell it?

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
07/03/2009 14:26

Coachie

If I could sell the property I would be out tomorrow. Yes with hindsight, one of the worst decisions I have made in my life coming here, least I have the guts to admit it.

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
07/03/2009 14:30

Quarmby,



Good frank and honest post. I have no probs with guys like you and sincerely hope everything works out for you in the end. Be positive and always look on the bright side.

chick


Joined: 02/07/2008
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
07/03/2009 15:59

Msg 56 Coachie.



Well worded post.

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
07/03/2009 16:21

stubs msg 48,



The irony was not lost.

joseph


Joined: 17/04/2008
Posts: 709

Message Posted:
07/03/2009 16:31

Hi Quarmby,



sorry to hear of your problems, sincerely hope things improve for you



Re

If I could sell the property I would be out tomorrow. Yes with hindsight, one of the worst decisions I ...



Are you saying it was your decision to buy a property that is the cause of all your grief or the fact that you chose to live in TRNC... or both?



I ask because a friend of mine asked my advice re selling up, as he is in the process of buying a property and still has his house here. He is currently in the process of "should I ... shoudn't I sell" and moving out for his retirement.

My advice was to hold on to his house here... maybe rent or such and go live in TRNC for a year to see how they adjusts to a new way of life etc.



It is a telling point because I think many UK people face the same dilemma and reading posts on here the views expressed are so diametric it would confuse a straight line



Regards Joseph

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
07/03/2009 18:52

Joseph

I have lived here now for quite a few years and I would seriously advise your friend not to sell up in the UK just yet. He obviously wants to try the TRNC but I would advise him to rent for at least 2 years. the first year you are on holiday and because its new to you it seems great at first but after awhile reality can set in and the daily aggros of the place start to take affect, they have been aired on this board many times and NN has described them quite well in the past. i should have originally rented but having always owned my own property in the UK it was alien to me to rent. I think it is very easy to buy here, I have sincere condolences for those who have not got their houses etc. but I think it is very difficult to sell. I know there are those on here who whinge about the UK but thats my home and I prefer it to here.

joseph


Joined: 17/04/2008
Posts: 709

Message Posted:
07/03/2009 19:18

Hi Quarmby



Thanks for the update.. on both tags



If you were in a situation were you were still resident in the UK but owned a property, villa or apartment in TRNC, how would you judge your situation?



Not asking about land issues etc just how would it change/colour your view if that was your circumstances given what you have experienced thus far?



Regards Joseph

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
07/03/2009 22:00

Some of those that live inTRNC and are slagging us off here in the UK dont say no there heating allowance or there other hand outs.If they want to save money they should stop all benefits to every one who does not reside in the UK permanntly,and that includes all "immigrants".To darn soft we are to all and sundry..

chick


Joined: 02/07/2008
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
07/03/2009 22:54

Coachie,



Keep the flag flying

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
07/03/2009 23:00

Chick..As high as possible ,and it is not a red one either..

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 01:10

anyone remember the tv hit,i think it was called homefront,maybe wrong.!!!!

















spider,

ROBIN HOOD


Joined: 26/05/2008
Posts: 238

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 10:15

I'm surprised this question, "Is Britain finished?" comes so late in the day. 13 years of Tory mismanagement leading up the the Harold Wilson era in '64 would have been a better time to ask the question. Devaluation of the the worlds top currency by 20% not to mention the cuts in national values. Finished? I afraid it happened a long time ago. The corpse still twi´tches from time to time though. A better question would be possibly "I:s Lazarus likely to return?"

ataturk


Joined: 09/09/2008
Posts: 712

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 11:47

Just worried that TRNC does not become the same with all the British coming over here. I do not want our lovely island spoilt.

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 12:00

Already being spoiled IMO, we visit on holiday and we say "it is sinking in a sea of cement".

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 13:03

Ataturk..You would think listenin g to some of the ex-pats spouting their ideas and solutions to the partioning problem that it was THEIR island already.I think alot of them could be in for a rude awakening when the solution finally comes about.AS one posterhas already said "they are foreigners in a foreign land"and they will not get any special concessions there,because other governments are notas soft as ours..