What is the point of banning members ?

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
28/03/2009 09:13

Why bother to ban members if they are allowed to just sign up under a new name and carry on from where they left off ?



If this is going to be allowed to happen then surely it is better to just not ban them in the first place ?



Personaly I would not have banned Macha, but this is not my site. If you are going to do it then do it properly or not at all.



Banning them and have them come back under a new name is worse than not banning them at all imo.



Just my 2pence worth.

joseph


Joined: 17/04/2008
Posts: 709

Message Posted:
28/03/2009 15:59

Hi Erolz



Not been on for a few days so must have missed all the excitement



When and why was Macha banned, have not seen any reference to such?



Like you I personally do not think any member should be banned just because we/they disagree in debate. If so... I think it only right that an explanation should be given openly and fairly so all members are aware of the reason.

Otherwise... as you rightly suggest the temptation to simply come back on under a new alias rather undermines the point and leads to suspicion. I have noticed two other posters (names) being accused this way and it just leads to confusion at best and distrust at worse.



So what happened?



Regards Joseph

AndyP



Joined: 18/04/2008
Posts: 517

Message Posted:
28/03/2009 16:15

May I point out rule 4



4. Respect The Forum Admins

Forum admins have the final word. If you have a problem or a complaint, email Izzet off board. Do not post it on the board.

Forum admins do not need to explain their actions. Do not complain about this.

kenny



Joined: 26/05/2008
Posts: 405

Message Posted:
28/03/2009 16:21

I can complain, in a shop, at the bank, in a resaurant, in fact

almost anywhere.



But not here ! sounds like a dictatorship Andy.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
28/03/2009 16:47

Andyp msg 3



I am sorry if I breached a rule. I am not questioning the Admins decisions or asking them to explain them.



I was inviting a discussion about the sense of banning people only to have them return the next day under a new name. However if such a discussion is considered against the rules then so be it.

AndyP



Joined: 18/04/2008
Posts: 517

Message Posted:
28/03/2009 17:37

Re MSG 4



I do not make the rules. I just make sure users abide by them (when I am on the forum). Unlike many, I have a life outside of Cyprus44.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
28/03/2009 17:42

kenny

You can complain anywhere you want but all of these enterprises have rules that they stick to. Same as this forum.

AJ

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
28/03/2009 17:48

Hi Andy,

Not wanting to "poke the bees nest" but can you please explain what in Msg 1 & 2 is disrepectful of the moderators ?

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
28/03/2009 17:49

Andy,

"Unlike many i have a life outside of Cyprus 44" i would like to think that everyone on here has a life outside 44.Some people on here may find your remark in mess 6 a tad personal.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
28/03/2009 18:18

Pikey,

Keep them coming matey.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
28/03/2009 18:49

Cylad msg 10



This thread was not intended (by me at least) to be about the rights and wrongs of forum censorship or the actions of admins on it. At the end of the day this forum is not a state, it is a privately owned 'space' in which the owner can do as he pleases.



What my question was about was the practicalities and sense of the system the owner chooses to use in regard to banning members. In my view he has every right to ban given people on his forum should he want to, just as the owner of a cafe or pub has such a right. My question is does it make any sense to do so, if such bans have no material effect other than to confuse people ?

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
28/03/2009 18:58

Erolz, I agee

What is the point of banning someone then allowing them back on within minutes this just undermines the rules and makes a mockery of the site if I were a moderator I would feel pretty let down and would have to question why this happens.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
28/03/2009 19:12

Totally agree Trevor, we all know who these people are so I would have thought it would be easy to make the ban stick, it doesn't usually seem to be diffficult.

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
28/03/2009 21:56

AndyP - message 3 - if you mean what you say, your attitude explains a lot about this board.

Disgraceful!

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
28/03/2009 22:38

Erolz,



I agree 100% with your sentiment.



It is even crazier than banning, there are cases where an admin member joins in a thread and thinks it OK, another joins and immediatley closes the thread.



I know on other forums the admins "get together" on line to discuss policy etc so they all sing from the same "hymn sheet".



I have only seen sensible things from Andy P in the past but msg 3 just about sums up what is happening to the forum. Yes, Izzet has written the rules but until all of admin act as a team there is always going to be conflict with members who like to have a more advanced debate or discussion.



As for banning people, nice to see Pt Pike/mach etc back on board under new banner. Need I say more!!!!!

Izzet



Joined: 01/12/2006
Posts: 920

Message Posted:
28/03/2009 22:45

We try our best to prevent banned members from rejoining under a different name.



We have implemented a set of new techniques a few weeks ago so we are quite good at detecting multiple member logins.



Izzet

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
29/03/2009 00:59

Izzet......it is obviously not working ?

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
29/03/2009 01:19

cylad/macha/pike, Re message 15

You really do have a problem with people of a more mature age having an opinion don't you, we can;t all be smart arsed wet behind the ears young know it alls.

We may not know all the history of Cyprus but we do know about respect for our olders and betters.

You may change your name as often as you like but your arrogance still identifies you quite clearly in my opinion.