Paedophile to be beheaded and crucified in Saudi Arabia…

adagirl


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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 12:00

Just read this on the news. His body will be on show to the public after beheading.

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 12:06

If it is proven beyond every reasonable doubt that he is guilty! Well let the punishment fit the crime. Although public display is a bit distasteful to say the least.

Chris

adagirl


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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 12:16

5 children were involved and one left to die in the desert. Its the method of execution and public display that yes, is distateful.

sporty


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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 12:23

only a couple of centuries ago we did similar,hung ,drawn and quartered! horrific to say the least! If they still did it now i'd guarantee they'd think twice about these acts that destroy lives!!If it were your kids you'd be the one to ask for the axe to remove his head!

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 12:26

Unfortunately punishment is a form of retribution and is there purely to appease the victims of the crime. Although it will obviously stop the perpetrator from committing any further offences, it still does not stop the crimes from being committed. This person knew the laws of the land and the possible consequences but still carried out the act.

There has to be another way but I don't know for the life of me what it is.

AJ

Mindy



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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 12:27

If this man did do this terrible crime/crimes the deterrent didn't stop him carrying this act out.

fire starter


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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 12:27

One thing is for sure he will not do it again.

smithy


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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 12:55

Bloody good job, bring it on he knew before he did this awful crime so let him be punished, give me the axe

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 13:01

That should stop him 'swearıng ın church'!

zerochlor


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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 13:23

personally.for that crime i feel beheading is to quick of a punishment,im sure they know a slower torture ,its torture he needs if he is guilty,not punishment,slow torture ,same as he give his victims.the arab world really know how to punish these kind of people,and righfuly so.

Yellowbelly


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Posts: 70

Message Posted:
04/11/2009 13:39

This such a shame... why does it have to be over so quickly?

adagirl


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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 13:45

The violent punishment does not deter the crime though does it? As for "give me the axe" I really don't believe you could do that to someone.

zerochlor


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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 13:49

havent we read somewhere in some book. a eye for a eye!

smithy


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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 14:34

adagirl

If that was one of my children I would of course come down with the axe, not before i kicked him in the head first,

AndyR



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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 14:50

"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" Mahatma Gandhi

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 15:03

RE several messages: (...) If that was one of my children (...)

=> What if this sick man was *your* son? Would you plead to "have him beheaded and crucified"? Or would you plead to have him in prison for life? Just a thought.

Harold2555



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Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
04/11/2009 15:15

In my opinion there is no justification for capital punishment whatever the crime.

Maybe Mr. Gahndi had the right idea.



Only my opinion, don't shoot me

girne 29


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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 15:48

Mixed feelings used to believe in capital punishment but now have seen so many miscarriages due to overzealous and sometimes corrupt officers.,keep thinking about Evans .Mattan, and Bentley. They 'definately did it' at the time yet received pardons later, unfortunately posthumously.

Was there not some poor guy with learning difficulties released after 20years who would have been executed in earlier times for the murder of a girl. DNA evidence proved him innocent ,but was easily made to admit his guilt by policemen.

exnavalperson


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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 16:10

We are all human beings and as such have many characteristics. Put these together and we have that unique animal the human and they make us what we are and have brought us to our present attainments. In individuals some of these characteristics are much stronger than others and that is what gives us our individualty. One of these characteristics is OPTOMISSION, and it is why capital punishment never puts some people off. They think that they will get away with crime that carries the utmost penalties. Nevertheless, another characteristic is that we think revenge is sweet if the crime affects us. Let the law take its' course!

daisy dukes


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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 17:20

I think, someone should chop off his willy, with a rusty spoon....very very slowly......with drugs to make him stay awake...and then made to watch a dog eat it!!!! And after, he should have Peadophile burned on his forehead! Maybe someone could pull out all of his fingernails as well, also v v v slowly.....



DD

sienna


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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 17:35

DD well said agree entirely scum of the earth, one less in the world to harm innocent children

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 17:36

Daisy, why not build a gas chamber for all peadophiles? We can then follow-up with all people with mental illnesses. And Gypsies of course. And...

Sick people shouldn't be tortured or put to death, they should be treated or kept away from society. Such behaviour makes a society civilised.

vadiev


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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 17:57

and ... dutch do gooders

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 18:02

RE msg 23, vadiev: You made four errors in a four word sentence. Can't take your primitive post serious, can I?

Goonerboy


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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 18:07

For a crime such as this, the perpetrator should in my eyes be made to suffer. A straight forward death doesn't achieve this.



Definitely with Daisy on this one

Hippo


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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 18:32

I don't agree with Hans often but he is quite right, barbaric treatment like this is uncivilised.

Removing them from society is the answer -permanently

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 18:57

RE msg 13, zerochlor: (...) havent we read somewhere in some book. a eye for a eye! (...)

=> I'm afraid it's the only book you have tried to read and you did it very selective. Read on, I'd say:



"Turning the other cheek is a phrase in Christian doctrine that refers to responding to an aggressor without violence. The phrase originates from the Sermon on the Mount in the New Testament.



In the Sermon on the Mount in the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus says:



You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also." (etc)

—Matthew 5:38-42, NIV".

smithy


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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 19:02

Hippo

The problems is when they are removed from Society is that after a few years the doo gooders think they are OK to go out in the world again, and hence the same thing happens again and again,

DONT GIVE THEM A SECOND CHANCE

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 19:09

RE msg 28, smithy: (...) The problems is when they are removed from Society is that after a few years the doo gooders think they are OK to go out in the world again, and hence the same thing happens again and again, DONT GIVE THEM A SECOND CHANCE (...)

=> I am not against (chemical) castration. And I really wish people here would stop calling other people do-gooders if they are against medieval punishment and barbaric treatment, like the Hippo rightfully says in msg 26.

flowerfairy


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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 20:28

Wasn't it the 'do gooders' that allowed poor little Jeremy Bulger's murderers to walk out and be shipped

off to Australia or some other wonderful country with new identities and a better class of life than they would have ever had if in UK?

I wonder what effect that had on his parents.

Oh, don't start me off, what about Myra Hindley?......she even got a university degree whilst locked up......

Punishment, sounds more like a blimmin' holiday inside to me !!!!!!!

flowerfairy


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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 20:34

Wasn't it the 'do gooders' that allowed poor little Jeremy Bulger's murderers to walk out and be shipped

off to Australia or some other wonderful country with new identities and a better class of life than they would have ever had if in UK?

I wonder what effect that had on his parents.

Oh, don't start me off, what about Myra Hindley?......she even got a university degree whilst locked up......

Punishment, sounds more like a blimmin' holiday inside to me !!!!!!!

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 21:00

RE msg 30/31, flowerfary: (...) Oh, don't start me off, what about Myra Hindley?......she even got a university degree whilst locked up...... Punishment, sounds more like a blimmin' holiday inside to me !!!!!!! (...)

=> Hm. Hindley's trial was in 1966. A bit late, I'd say, for anger in 2009. And didn't the UK's national hate figure Myra Hindley die in prison* after 30 years in prison? Some "blimmin' holiday"...

* And rightfully so.

phylray



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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 21:12

If it is wrong to kill, torture etc. then how can a civilized society justify killing and torture in what

can only be revenge. Removed from society, permanently if necessary they must be. The Mahatma

was right, and so was Jesus.

natalie


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
04/11/2009 21:13

I lived in Saudi for some five years in the early 70,s and worked as anurse in their military hospitals. The law is the law there and it is plain. What a wonderfully safe place to live and work. You never locked your car or house, prayer time, none of the gold stores were locked when owners went to pray. I consider their laws on crime just. There was just one public beheading in the five years I was there, no, did not attend, but you did see occasionally one handed people, whose hand had been amputated, for serious theft. Collogues of mine at that time were jailed and deported for drinking and encouraging local Saudis to join them. I 100% support their punishments and especially in this case and also the return of capital punishment in our country. We or those of us that live in the UK , live in a totally lawless society. One of the joys of living in the TRNC, to date you feel more or less totally safe.

cyprusjoker


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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 21:13

I think he should be put in a room with negnick and forced to listen to his jokes for 24hrs, this kinda of torture is enough to kill any man, and what a cruel and painful way to go, if he survives this, which i doubt, then give him to Daisy..

flowerfairy


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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 21:17

Yes Dutch, she did, but they still haven't found all of the bodies that they buried. Still the powers that be don't learn. She had time to study, wrote a book, I bet her/their victims would've like to live half the life

that she did.

I don't think it's a bit late for anger, this kind of thing, I'm sure will never be forgotten, especially by the

families of the poor children they tortured and murdered.

Rottolover



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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 21:47

Hi Dutch,



I can't take your message 24 too 'seriously'....can I? And perhaps I'm reading your message 27 a bit 'selectively'...



And 'rightfully' isn't always right, Dutch. Sometimes it's rightly used, others wrongly/wrongfully.



I've been living in Saudi for 5 years too, and I've seen a beheading. It isn't something I'll do again, for it shocked me to my core. That murderer won't ever kill again, and such messages in Saudi are graphic and emphatic. They don't deter every murderer/rapist/child molester, but there is now evidence to suggest they do assist in lowering the prevalence of such offenders, at least in the Kingdom.

daisy dukes


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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 22:27

msg 34...natalie...i for one do not feel 'safe' here in the TRNC!!



DD

Magbs


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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 22:53

Natalie Re 34,

"There was just one public beheading in the five years I was there"

Well, last year only they carried out 102 beheadings. It seems your deterrence theory does not work any more.



"I consider their laws on crime just".

As you might be aware the same "laws" say apostasy is not only a sin, it is also a crime, and a crime punishable by death. I think that's the only "crime" category for which evidence of deterrence (by death punishment) might be found there.

adagirl


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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 23:09

I am lost for words. I cannot believe that so called educated civilised HUMAN beiings can be so primative. You are going back in time what? 300 or 400 years??????????????? Ok if you have to, kill anothr human being but for Gods sake where is the humanity? Rıp apart a rapist? Then what makes you better than them? What THEY felt when doing the crime is NO BETTER than your punishment is it? You have it in you to use a rusty knife? You have it in you to wield an axe? Can you honestly say that you WOULD KILL anothr person?

cyprusjoker


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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 23:14

if they killed one of mine, i can honestly say, i could kill them...

Lilli



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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 23:20

The law of the land is just that. Look at the law of the land in scotland recently when the sent the lockerbie bomber back. Why becase scottish law states if a person is deemed terminally ill then he she should return to thier country to die. I wish they had saudii laws for people like Baby Ps mother lover lodger etc. Not a new identity and tax papers paying. What is the crime rate in Saudi, does the sentence deter or the punishment fit the crime so they do it knowingly

adagirl


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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 23:20

Then I pity you and pray for you with all my heart beause if you can do what they did then you are no better than they are .

taraspring


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Message Posted:
05/11/2009 00:14

Even medical castration is too good for these people. Did they think about their victims when they abused them? Babies, toddlers, little children. It is sickening. Young children maimed physically and emotionally for the rest of their lives.



Why should we spare them? Can anyone give me a good reason?



Once an abuser, always an abuser.



The message to Saudia Arabia citizens from their authorities is.......

You mess with our kids and this is what you will get.

No PC/do gooders there and quite rightly so.



If they have been found guilty, castrate the evil bastards. Publicise it on TV.

Zero tolerance everywhere for these scum of the earth.

Protection for our children.

A better World for everyone.

Lilli



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Message Posted:
05/11/2009 00:24

Adagirl if your message was for me I do not codone this punishment in any way. Im just saying if they know the punishment then why do it. As Tara states we have to protect children worldwide. Men the world over use children from Thialand Asias etc for thier greed and if it was my child then no punishment would be enough. However I do think if this crime is punished by death then it should be private. In Afgahastian a woman can be raped and a be heading will be hers.All i am saying we cant change thier laws or any countroes laws. I pray every night that no child woman or innocent person should suffer bt we cant change it

Oleander


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Message Posted:
05/11/2009 01:16

I agree Lilli. And some of the countries with the most draconian and barbaric penal codes have the worst records for crimes against children. So it obviously does not 'deter'.

minertor



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Message Posted:
05/11/2009 07:20

msg 30: Flowerfairy, you are proving that the British justice had a winner with Hindley. The aim of imprisonment is not just to punish, it is also meant to rehabilitate offenders. As you rightly say "..she even got a university degree while locked up.."

Personally I think she should have been hanged. Ian Brady too.



Tony



ps The boy Bulger's name was James, or Jamie.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
05/11/2009 08:47

I wonder if anyone in this thread would deny the fact (in my opinion) that paedophiles are sick people.

phylray



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Message Posted:
05/11/2009 08:59

I lived in the U.A.E. and Bahrain for years and Saudi beheadings were reported just about every week

in their newspapers. Many of these were foreign nationals, for drug trafficking offences, and it did

not seem to deter others. I certainly felt safe, as a woman on my own, in U.A.E. and Bahrain, and both

those countries retained the death penalty, but there were only a few executions reported while I was

in those countries, for exceptional crimes, as a warning. They were shot, not beheaded.

Rottolover



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Message Posted:
05/11/2009 09:59

I don't think anyone would deny that paedophilia is a sickness, Dutch, but I don't think it's valid to generalise about 'sick' people needing to be cured. This particular form of sickness is, unfortunately, one that hurts, destroys or kills other people, almost all of them being young, innocent and completely defenceless.

parkview



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Message Posted:
05/11/2009 10:03

The knee jerk reaction is of course an eye for an eye and having a young child myself feel that someone who committs a crime of this nature knowing what the punishment is as Dutch says is a very sick man. That said experience demonstrates he will never be rehabilitated or cured and as such should be removed from society permanantly. Sharia Law a la Saudi is barbaric and medieval and not a deterent in such cases, a lethal injection would suffice, I agree with Capital Punishment where irrevocably proven and feel it should be brought back in the UK.



That said after a glass of wine I would emotionally be with Smithy and Daisy Dukes.........

dalartokat


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Message Posted:
05/11/2009 10:12

Natalie message 34.....We or those of us that live in the UK , live in a totally lawless society. One of the joys of living in the TRNC, to date you feel more or less totally safe.



Natalie, not sure what part of the UK you live in but I don't live in a totally lawless society in my part of the UK, so please don't speak for me. Also you need to make your mind up regards TRNC you either feel safe or you don't. Long way to have gone if you don't, after leaving your "lawless society".

dalartokat


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Message Posted:
05/11/2009 10:34

Dutch Crusader message 48...I wonder if anyone in this thread would deny the fact (in my opinion) that paedophiles are sick people.



I don't deny paedophiles are sick people but I don't agree we(UK) should spend vast amounts of money time and effort, keeping them "safe" or finding a "cure" but unfortunately this is our laws. Your message 32. Myra Hindley and Ian Brady - their crimes are/were fact and as for anger in 2009, this could well erupt again as Winnie Johnson, mother of Keith Bennett whose body has never been found, has instructed her solicitor to speak to Ian Brady again as to the whereabouts of her sons remains. He(Ian Brady) has been on hunger strike for the last 10 years and again our laws say we must do all we can to keep this man alive. My opinion, we should not have bothered, from Winnie Johnsons opinion(I would assume)she has been given another chance to find the whereabouts of her sons remains. Thats what I call torture.

simbas



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Message Posted:
05/11/2009 11:36

Back in 1970 i worked at a Psychiatric hospital where they used to treat Paedophiles with Aversion Treatment. It was not then considered a mental illness , but rather a disorder of sexual preference which they did try to treat by way of Aversion Therapy . It did'nt work then and since . Chemical Castration can help but not always . Surgical Castration along with medication to hopefully reduce their libido to nil , if it works that is , but then again you don't need a penis to sextually abuse , and as we have seen recently there are women abusers too . ? For every Paedopline caught there must be hundreds that are not . Its those we should be worrying about too But in reality what options do we have left to protect our children ?.

Simbas