Black Leaders

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
08/12/2008 21:02

With all the hype over obama a conversation was had in a trnc bar the other day and it raised a valid point I was unable to answer,



Can you name a county with a black president / leader that is on a downward spiral it's people are in poverty and is ravagedby war and starvation we got up to about 14.



Next question Can you name a county with a black president / leader that is moving up in the world a shining example to other nations and where people are queing up to get in as it's a haven for oppresed people ........................urmmmmmmmmm



Is the us he latest to suffer a downturn after electing a new " saviour" ?

Hilltop



Joined: 28/04/2008
Posts: 636

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 21:06

What possible difference does skin colour make? You could rephrase the question with any number of variables and still get pointless answers.

The-Wicks


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Message Posted:
08/12/2008 21:07

Nige - I would imagine there are a lot of people that cannot name a "County" with a black leader. I think there may be a few Countries, however. LOL

J

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
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Message Posted:
08/12/2008 21:08

Ghana ..seems pretty steady nowNige ..even disvovered oil there, which might change things alittle...elections seem to be runnuing smoothlywithout any aggro...

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
08/12/2008 21:09

non at all if you are american but a lot if you are an " AFRICAN AMERICAN "

Hilltop



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Message Posted:
08/12/2008 21:12

And the difference is? They are all immigrants, only the generations differ!

I can find the BNP web address if you would like it.

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
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Message Posted:
08/12/2008 21:20

If you look around West Africa and then define poverty, then there are a number of countries that are relativly stable. In the sense that the UK is now only "relatively stable" to many.



OK, West African countries - Mali, Burkina Faso, Ivory Coast, Cameroon etc.



Then what do you term "black", Obama is only darker skinned than many of us here.

elenia


Joined: 24/01/2008
Posts: 28

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 21:30

re the Obama debate on whether he is black - he sure isn't 'white'. I'm with Hilltop on this one - 'What possible difference does skin colour make?'



This thread simply smacks of racism, with the OP insinuating that because America has just elected a black president it will suffer a downturn. The downturn is already there after a long line of 'white' presidents (there IS a worldwide economic crisis going on) so why on earth would Obama's skin colour make it any worse than it already is?



As to naming 'a county with a black president / leader that is moving up in the world a shining example to other nations and where people are queing up to get in as it's a haven for oppresed people', I wouldn't even waste my time answering that.

The-Wicks


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Message Posted:
08/12/2008 21:34

I do not often agree with Nige's posts, but, come on folks, he was merely relating parts of a conversation which took place in a bar. Surely, as adults, we all know that a conversation turns into a world-changing debate when we've had a few! I really don't think there was anything malicious meant here.

J

Groucho



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Message Posted:
08/12/2008 21:44

Is this a pro or anti Tidio thread?

elenia


Joined: 24/01/2008
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Message Posted:
08/12/2008 21:46

Oh come on - I hear conversations I would never dream of repeating as they are offensive. Just because you hear something doesn't mean it has to be repeated. Is the next question going to be is Obama going to turn into a despotic dictator because he shares the same middle name as a well known (now deceased) dictator? It's irrelevant to his capabilities and an insult to american people and those of 'colour', hence I stand by my statement that this thread is racist.



(Oh and Obama's middle name is Hussein for anyone who didn't know.)

brandy sour


Joined: 09/04/2008
Posts: 310

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 21:54

Yes leave Nige alone he is only relating to a debate in a bar when you are having a drink if people can not see that on this discussion well i rest my case.

fatboy



Joined: 05/11/2008
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Message Posted:
08/12/2008 22:04

why do politics & religion on drink

Coachie



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Message Posted:
08/12/2008 22:06

probably cos they dont like footie or golf.....

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
08/12/2008 22:22

RE msg 11, elenia : (...) (Oh and Obama's middle name is Hussein for anyone who didn't know.) (...)



Even worse: Obama and Bush are - distantly - related! One of their forefathers was aboard the Mayflower, after having lived several years in Leiden, Holland. No kidding. What's the world coming to..?

brandy sour


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Message Posted:
08/12/2008 22:26

Msg 13 because people do.

elenia


Joined: 24/01/2008
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Message Posted:
08/12/2008 22:35

to DutchCrusader: Yikes that is more of a concern than the colour of their skin! Let's hope Obama's presidential speeches make more sense than some of Bush's :-P

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
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Message Posted:
08/12/2008 23:17

I firmly believe that the presumption in the original question is racist and even if it is just a reported conversation from a bar I wouldn't post it on any forum. That's my view but of course may not be yours.



There are obvious reasons for the disparity in the relative success of developed and developing countries, both geographical and political. It has nothing to do with skin colour, genetics or other such racist nonsense.



I am not posting this as a moderator but as a forum user and I am genuinely deeply saddened and appalled by the post.



Paul

gibson335


Joined: 01/11/2008
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Message Posted:
09/12/2008 10:19

Harold2555



This post is in no way racist and it would appear to me that you are simply one of the bleeding-heart liberals who have swamped the U.K. with Political Correctness and helped destroy free speech. If anyone critcizes anything or anyone black they are Racist. Absolute crap. Truth us truth and the original post was simply a narration of a conversation and I have to say certain elements of it were correct. If you are so appalled by this I would question your involvement as a Moderator on this Forum as you have the power to delete a future post if it does not fit your P.C. attitude

Groucho



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Message Posted:
09/12/2008 10:37

Gibson,



Sorry but the sub-text of the original thread was "Are black people any good?"



This is debateable but put in those terms it would appear to be a question loaded with racsim...



I hate political correctness run rampant but I also can see bigotry when it rears its ugly head....



Nige started a similar thread recently and at that point I stated that up to now white men had been singularly successful in making sure that people of coloured ethnic origins did not get to be leaders of predominantly white countries... or ones that had an even chance of being successful in the world's economic arena...



That America is possibly the first to do so is actually greatly to their credit...



We shall see how good a President he is in time, let's hope some racist or other looney doesn't cut short his career - 26 Presidents have been assassinated so far - that's quite a lot in the short time the US has existed as a democracy..

Groucho



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Message Posted:
09/12/2008 10:38

26 might not be the right answer... I think that's Popes... oh well you get the idea..

Groucho



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Message Posted:
09/12/2008 10:39

Question: How many American presidents were assassinated?

Answer: Four presidents were assassinated while in office. Those were:

Abraham Lincoln

James Garfield

William McKinley

John F. Kennedy.

All four of them were killed by shooting.



Six presidents survived assassination attempts:



Andrew Jackson

Theodore Roosevelt

Franklin Roosevelt

Harry Truman

Gerald Ford

Ronald Reagan.

Groucho



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Message Posted:
09/12/2008 10:42

William Henry Harrison won the presidency in 1840 with the slogan, "Tippecanoe and Tyler Too." This refers to his participation in the Battle of Tippecanoe in 1811. He was seen as a hero when Tecumseh's forces were defeated at this battle. Harrison's presidency never really had a chance to begin. He delivered a very long inaugural address on a cold, windy day. Then he was caught in a rainstorm. He caught a cold which turned for the worse and led to his death. He 'served' as president from March 4 - April 4, 1841. His death would be seen as the first in a long series of what became known as Tecumseh's Curse: Presidents elected in a year ending in a zero would die in office.



And you thought Tecumseh's Curse was your lawn-mower failing to start!

gibson335


Joined: 01/11/2008
Posts: 325

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 11:03

It seem's to me that in today's World it has become all too easy to use the word Racist when many people are simply stating a pointIn Britain now it is often the case that if a coloured person does not get their own way they immediately come up with the racist angle usually leading to them being awarded thousands of pounds in compensation( as per recent events in the Met Police).



Many Black leaders of their Countries are corrupt and care nothing for their own people but the same comment also applies to many White leaders as well. If a coloured person had started this thread with the title White Leaders I bet the word racist would never have appeared!!!!!!!!!

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 11:48

Black people are just as intelligent as white people. I have two black friends from Guyana who are two of the most intelligent people I have ever met.



In answering indirectly to Niges question, there are four critical components, probably more, to consider - Weather, Education, opportunity and Cultural heritage. It's all about developing emotional and cognitive maturity and these four components shape that.



Obama has had education in abundance, opportunity, been bought up in a relatively stable climate and has been able to break free of the debilitating aspects of his cultural heritage whilst preserving and utilising the best of his roots.



In Africa the weather is incredibly hot. It makes developing things hard. In Uganda you have to collect water at 3 in the morning, as it is the coolest time. Air conditioning is making things better in some hot countries, but complexity of thinking is related to work complexity, which is dependent on weather conditions.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
09/12/2008 11:49

Education is critical, particularly in helping Africans move beyond superstition. When you can't rely on medicine and science you fall back on the gods to support you. This is holding certain parts of Africa back from increasing it's mental capacity.



Opportunities are limited in Africa, not just due to the weather, but although Africa receives aid from the West, it is also saddled with debt which keeps them trapped.



I have just finished reading Malcolm Gladwells new book. It really makes you think about the real components of success, in particular how lots of luck plays a big part. For example, Bill Gates took his opportunity, but he had some extremely lucky breaks, without which, there is no way he would have been the success he is.



The book also shows why the Asians are so much beter at Maths than the West. The answer is fascinating. He also explains why growing rice will make the chinese NO 1 - amazing

fire starter


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Message Posted:
09/12/2008 12:13

what about the caribean countries.

some of them don't seem to be doing so bad.

phylray



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Message Posted:
09/12/2008 12:46

I do agree with you absolutely, Paul

Groucho



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Message Posted:
10/12/2008 08:57

OBAMA = The Black Bush? ;¬)

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
10/12/2008 09:47

Fire starter have you ever been to the Caribbean the povery and conditions are horendous, barbados just up the road from sunny lane hotel 4000 usd per night is speights town where people are living in tin huts washing is the sea and trying to make do on us$ 1 per day,



Hati/ dominicon republic ... It makes your heart bleed to see how poor some people are.



However back to the topic in hand There is corruption and double dealing in most if not all countries with leaders elected promising the earth but in fact subjecting their electorate to all sorts of troubles.



I could not name 1 country that was prospering ( without doing research ) Rhodisia with Ian smith as leader was far from perfect but its people were well fed, educated and access to free healthcare and had jobs now with mugabe at the helm they are in desperate need.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
10/12/2008 10:45

We are all aware of the way things are going in Africa - wars,corruption, poor leadership - is it possible for African nations to become fully industrialized in the next 50 years? And if so, what do we have to do?

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
10/12/2008 12:04

msge 31



Big task Bill.

The West now holds African dictators accountable for how they spend the aid money. If you can't account for the money then you do not get anymore.



China comes along and tells the dictators, 'here, we will give you some money, you can spend it how you want, all we want in return are your scarce resources'.



At the end of the day it isn't just about money. It's about developing psychology through the facilitation of changing conditions.



If the problem is not sorted you are going to see increasing number of African migrants, with their young populas, storming the European borders. It is not just an african problem, it is becoming a big European issue. We can't let Zimbabwe continue the way it is

southgate



Joined: 28/03/2009
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Message Posted:
30/03/2009 01:29

I think littlenige needs to keep out the bars and find an interesting hobby! Do you think because you live in a country with a small black population you can talk about black people this way? Furthermore why are you even discussing these type of things on here?! If you really feel it necessary to do so, keep things these things inside your house with likeminded people!



Really...get a a life

Yinglis


Joined: 13/10/2008
Posts: 290

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 03:27

littlenige....serious bigoted undertones!!!! there are plenty of examples of non African/Black countries where lies,rape and pillage take place,noteably the UK and TRNC............Really does this forum not have better things to discuss ?

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
30/03/2009 16:01

This thread is now closed. Reason: Thread was addressed and no need for further posts.