what do you miss the most

canada


Joined: 17/05/2011
Posts: 195

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 18:29

what do you miss the most from back home?



i miss the green parks and the clean streets

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 18:39

Canada, if you mean the UK then many of the parks are no go for a lot of people and the streets are not as clean as they used to be.



Only last week I was in a said park and someone had set fire to a waste bin next to a park bench and all that was left was a big black melted lump of plastic from the bin and the metal frame of the bench.



Very sad

ttoli


Joined: 24/03/2007
Posts: 1172

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 18:41

For me, This is Home

roachie


Joined: 25/04/2008
Posts: 31

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 18:47

When I am in Cyprus like you say I miss the clean streets and the green parks but when I am in England I miss the sun as well as the peace and tranquility of Cyprus. For me both places are home.

Ed1957


Joined: 03/09/2011
Posts: 377

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 18:55

I miss the fish and chips and all day English Breakfasts LOL

cyprusjoker


Joined: 29/08/2009
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 18:58

I miss my Mum

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 19:03

I don't miss anything.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3533

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 20:03

Depends where home is surely?

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3533

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 20:06

To extend that comment

I guess most Cypriots miss their original homes

on both sides



now owned by other people

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 20:20

Phil,. the Cypriots I call friends have no issues where they live now in fact most love their life both North and South.



Perhaps you have some hidden adgenda here

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3533

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 20:26

msg 10, i assume by that sweeping generalisation

that you know many T/C and G/Cs

that gained

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 20:31

Phil, Im sure you know you should never assume !

dippersgirl



Joined: 04/05/2010
Posts: 795

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 20:34

Family and friends, I wish Cyprus was nearer, but I still think the advantages outweigh the disadvantages.

The last three months have been quite sad for me and we decided we must do more of the things we want to do and therefore visit people more. Chase the cheaper tickets and just do it. Other than that life is great NC. There are probably the same number of problems here as in UK or Germany or France etc., just different in each place, but none have the sun and sea with the secret empty beaches and countryside without fences to enjoy.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3533

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 20:34

Assumption makes an as......etc



but obviously you live on a pre-74 Turkish land

as your morals show

dippersgirl



Joined: 04/05/2010
Posts: 795

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 20:40

No wonder you are divorced philbailey, if you are in real life, like you are on this board

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 20:43

Maybe this is the wrong board for you Phil,.. perhaps there is a more suited forum for your views but of course you already know that don't you.



For your information (again I might add) I neither own or rent property in Cyprus and as for morals well what can I say.

I think its more your morality than mine thats in question here

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3533

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 20:45

Msg 15, when you live in an internationally recognised country



on land that is not occupied by international/EU law



then give me advice

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 20:48

Not be too long now Phil, ... your lecturing should stop later this year

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3533

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 20:50

Maybe the T/C who owned the airport misses something

or maybe the original land owners ?

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 20:53

Yeah the TC who owned the airport (and still does by the way) misses a few million euro that were promised.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3533

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 20:55

Msg 18 . will it help the T/C 's

or do you care ?



are you a member on Polly's facebook ?

either one on either side ?

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3533

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 20:58

Sorrry to take this off topic .

but ignorant people annoy me

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 21:04

Don't do the facebook thing if this helps and not sure who you refer to in "Polly" ?



Yeah sorry to go off topic but arrogant people really piss me off

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3533

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 21:08

Then that shows your awareness

"pollymarples" misunderstood" etc ?



HISS can be cured now .



If I missed out a T I am soory

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 21:21

well,truth can only hurt if one has gained from someone elses misfortune...............

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3533

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 21:25

Msg 25, an honest man

how are the eggs ?

gemini39


Joined: 16/09/2011
Posts: 89

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 21:33

Just compare increase in violence, murders and riots to start with in UK and N C

Having no deeds involves stress not fear of nutters

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 21:42

gemini39 (mess 27)



Are you having a laugh?

gemini39


Joined: 16/09/2011
Posts: 89

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 21:58

14 murders over 17 days who's laughing?

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 22:21

There are many different ways to murder someone! and it's not always on the streets with knife or gun crime! if you don't realise that you have a lot to learn! I'm certainly not laughing! look again at your post 27! and think of the many who have lost everything including their life in more devious ways!

gemini39


Joined: 16/09/2011
Posts: 89

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 22:35

But still alive

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 22:45

Sadly Not!

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 23:03

How to hijack a thread by Philbailey!!!! How pathectically sad and bitter are you??? You need to get out more sir

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 23:17

@ msg 22, philbailey: (...) Sorrry to take this off topic . but ignorant people annoy me (...)

▶ Don't look in the mirror then.

WAZ-24-7



Joined: 18/10/2008
Posts: 695

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 23:20

Trust, accountability, duty of care, value for money, true free enterprise.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3533

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 23:23

Maybe I should start my own forum

Any advice msg 34?

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 23:43

Message 36,

Good Luck, go for it

As long as you don't mind your own company???

Enchanted


Joined: 20/07/2008
Posts: 159

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 23:48

Maybe Phil you should start your own forum.

If none of us respond to this mans rather ignorant comments then he will get board, and probably go and irritate somebody else.

At least his ex wife saw sense and walked

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 23:49

@ msg 36, philbailey: (...) Maybe I should start my own forum Any advice msg 34? (...)

▶ Your forum already exists. Based and maintained in the South. Where all real Brit bashers are welcome. Where you can ask your stupid questions without faking to be interested in TRNC and the expats who live here.

Riddles


Joined: 26/04/2011
Posts: 429

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 23:56

Haven't some above contributors to this topic already started their own forum? How's it going?

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 00:08

@ msg 40, Riddles: (...) Haven't some above contributors to this topic already started their own forum? How's it going? (...)

▶ I think you're right. And how's it going? Try to find out.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3533

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 00:14

Msg 39 , the south of Where ?

England ?

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 855

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 01:04

To get back on topic of what I remember of England I miss snowdrops and bluebellls - and realise how silly that is when than anenomies (oh why cant we have a spell check?!!!) and cyclamen and other Spring flowers come out.#



What I miss most is the NOrth Cyprus I knew when I came here. The friendliness and welcome of the Cypriots, the helpfulness of the British Community, the quiet roads safe for small vehicles pedestrians and cyclist - no bully vehicles and bully drivers. No enormous delivery lorries with expensive consumer goods blocking narrow village roads. Olive groves and fields to walk the dogs where now there are estates of ugly house and swimming pools, Streets safe for children to play, friendly local shops with time to chat , local resteraunts serving local food, hardly any drunkeness, being able to leave my dogs in my own garden without fear of poison and friends who would "sit" them if I wanted to go out for the day, driving at night without being blinded ....

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 855

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 01:12

by oncoming headlight or undipped in my mirror by a vehicle too close behind, or forced into a ditch.

Free access to beaches, or minimum charges for basic facilities and sand instead of yards of concrete

Going out for an evening on my own, and being sure to meet several people I knew instead of a sea of unfamiliar and unwelcoming faces. And oh so much more..............



The price of progress?

bertieboss


Joined: 22/07/2011
Posts: 149

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 04:33

BizziLizzi - we all miss the Cyprus you are talking about but unfortunately tourism is a double edged sword and gives with one hand ( income for the locals) but takes with the other ( settlers changing things to suit themselves and continually whinging about everything that doesn't suit)



And unfortunately, whilst the UK is still one of the most civilised countries in the world, it is the mentality of the type who tend to emigrate who try to discredit their own country.

Now they will try to do the same to TRNC !!!

canada


Joined: 17/05/2011
Posts: 195

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 07:38

i miss trout and salmon fishing

and the neighbourhood pub on friday nights

Stonker


Joined: 15/10/2011
Posts: 24

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 07:59

I miss me puff

Cocklebay


Joined: 26/02/2011
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 10:29

Sad I know, but I miss Greggs Sausage Rolls. Lol

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 10:36

Whether you miss anything is relative to where you have come from..Personally I miss beautiful beaches and Sea food/Shell fish to die for..but not the 0.5% interest rates.

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 11:03

I miss being able to let my dogs of the lead to run in the forests and fields.

I also miss having nice shoes. Designer shoes with heals are just a no go here.

flowerfairy


Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 1277

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 12:33

Wooooohhhhhh.....go William,

mikelapta



Joined: 20/11/2008
Posts: 2186

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 13:01

I miss drifting in a boat on a Welsh lake/reservoir fly fishing for trout.

And walking through the woods,perfumed with bluebells to get to a river to fish.

Going home,lighting the barbie,stuffing my fish with fresh herbs,and enjoying the flavour of fresh caught trout,with a nice glass of cold chablis



Mike

laptagal


Joined: 28/05/2008
Posts: 549

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 14:34

turkey bacon and my grandchildren

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 14:49

Cheshire cheese and my grandchildren.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 14:52

Thats just wrong Carol,... you should'nt be eating your grandkids !

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 15:11

Why not Trev, their mum thinks it's a good idea.

mikelapta



Joined: 20/11/2008
Posts: 2186

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 15:18

I couldn't eat a whole one though !!!!



Mike

Ed1957


Joined: 03/09/2011
Posts: 377

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 16:37

I miss my wife, but my aim is getting better

Stonker


Joined: 15/10/2011
Posts: 24

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 17:08

re48 not forgetting steak bakes mmmmm! wonder what pipie misses?

Stonker


Joined: 15/10/2011
Posts: 24

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 17:09

re48 not forgetting steak bakes mmmmm! wonder what pipie misses?

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 855

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 18:00

Bertieboss message 45. You are so right.





Maybe it depends where you lived in the UK and your lifestyle there, how much you miss it. One thing from the UK I would like to see here (but never will) was a beach where dogs were allowed at certain times of day and (so they could have a lovely safe unencumbered run , but people who didnt like dogs could avoid them) and bins for doggy dos were provided at fequent intervals (also bins for normal rubbish)so owners could clean up easily. But of course this reflected on the rates and I could never have afforded to live there.

Cocklebay


Joined: 26/02/2011
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 18:14

If you look around there are plenty of beaches where dogs are welcome, try some of the beaches along the coast road to Kayalar.

Cocklebay


Joined: 26/02/2011
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 18:25

Message 60, now you have got me going! MMMMMM!

canada


Joined: 17/05/2011
Posts: 195

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 20:40

i miss a train ride

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 20:51

I don't miss anything and I am 100% happy with my life. Maybe I miss The Empire or Hammersmith Palais in London or is it my youth days that I miss?

ismet

Taz666


Joined: 21/12/2008
Posts: 180

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 20:54

being in North Cyprus

Ed1957


Joined: 03/09/2011
Posts: 377

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 21:02

I miss the dark winter days, drizzle, darker winter nights and persistant rain

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 21:04

Ed1957,

Are you from Manchester by any chance?

ismet

Riddles


Joined: 26/04/2011
Posts: 429

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 22:24

Live theatre ...live music (I don't mean karaoke or tribute bands) ....family....quality newspapers (not several days after the event) ....local professional sport ....

lionel


Joined: 21/04/2011
Posts: 179

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 22:49

a decent curry and my mum

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 23:15

The easy availability of just about everything...

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 855

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 23:51

Yes, I miss good English cheeses - and varieties of apples, but as with flowers other things compensate.



But I think Ismet has it right, on the rare occasions I miss England it is the England of my youth I miss, not as it is now.

flowerfairy


Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 1277

Message Posted:
09/01/2012 09:29

I miss not having to pick all the junk mail off the hall carpet every morning.

Kids 'egging'' old ladies houses every halloween.

Reading that another someone has been beaten up just a few miles away, or that some poor business

is being sued for some rediculous misadventure.

Fireworks going off from the end of September.

Yobs hanging around the chip shop, seeing the police moving them on, then ten minutes later, there they

are selling their drugs and laughing because the police can do nothing about it.

Hearing the elderley saying they must get home as they need to lock themselves in because it's getting dark.

Hearing young mums chastising their children for hanging behind in case they are abducted.

The crowded shopping malls, and wedging my purse under my armpit.



Yes, I miss all that........,

My grandson could walk to my house today,(if his mum allowed him) on his own, he is seven years old.

oohhpps,

I forgot to lock the car again last night.

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
09/01/2012 10:18

msg73... That's what I mean when I say missing something is only relevant to where you come from..I still miss good sea food and colourful bluebell woods.....beautiful "free"beaches and sea gulls....

timaloy


Joined: 30/06/2011
Posts: 171

Message Posted:
09/01/2012 10:45

no doubt flowerlady (message 73) that you are very happy in this land of milk and honey



no doubt you will not return to the uk to live



no doubt the uk is where you and you family were,and still are, educated



no doubt the uk is were you made your fortune in order to move here



uk has its probs ,but hey,its not gommorrah

Aslan


Joined: 23/06/2008
Posts: 757

Message Posted:
09/01/2012 11:07

I miss the litter, the efes bottles on the roundabouts, the immigration system, the education system, the facist and racist regime, the union jack wearing sweaty beer belly "tourists" that visit, the "penny" sweats and matches used as currency in the supermarkets, the skeletons of properties never completed, the stories of corrupt developers and estate agents, the floods, the decompossing bags floating in the coastline, the drivers inability to comprehend the basic rules of driving, the students at disneyland universities, the Cyprus Today!, being the laughing stock of the Government and NGO's, having to pay to stay and invest in the country (bizzare), being a third class citizen, O how I miss the TRNC

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
09/01/2012 15:58

Aslan, you forgot the wild dog situation and poisoning.

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
09/01/2012 16:12

blade. And the bickering among the people who have moved there and are bored.



martin. I agree it depends on where you are situated in the UK, we have very few problems in our village, the children can walk to school on their own.



flowerfairy. Why do you read the news if it bothers you what is going on in the UK.

canada


Joined: 17/05/2011
Posts: 195

Message Posted:
09/01/2012 18:43

i miss the NBA games at the aircanada center

and beer and chicken wings after the game

watching NHL hockey

vonny


Joined: 25/06/2009
Posts: 476

Message Posted:
09/01/2012 19:10

well,apart from my kids and grandkids,i miss the big shopping centres where you can find more or less anything you want all under one roof,i do find a lot of the shops here are so spread out and usually you need your car to go from one shop to another, oh,and i miss cadbury creme eggs too.

Yel2011


Joined: 27/04/2011
Posts: 377

Message Posted:
09/01/2012 19:16

skyscrapers (city of chicago) and clean streets and Dog parks definetley :/

canada


Joined: 17/05/2011
Posts: 195

Message Posted:
09/01/2012 19:30

the restaurant "red lobster" in toronto

and breakfast at mcdonalds on sunday reading the newspaper

flowerfairy


Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 1277

Message Posted:
09/01/2012 19:35

My apologies for gloing slightly of thread,

Mess 75, John, yes, I am very happy, I'm healthy and alive, thank God.

I have no plans to return to live in Uk in the near future.

Yes, I was educated in the UK, when teachers were allowed to do their job.

Yes, I made my ''fortune''(if that's what you want to call it) after working there for over 40years,

and the problem with that is?????



Mess 78, Marie, I don't read the news, I said that this is what I missed about the Uk when I lived there.

When I did read it, I found it was mainly bad news, I mean, how many times have you read that a hoodey, or some youngster helped someone, but it does happen. I'm afraid that kind of news doesn't sell newspapers,

minertor



Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
09/01/2012 19:44

cheap round of golf, with a ride on buggy. 18 holes £20.



T

Ed1957


Joined: 03/09/2011
Posts: 377

Message Posted:
09/01/2012 19:50

No Elko I am not from Manchester but I watched United once, pray why do you ask?

flowerfairy


Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 1277

Message Posted:
09/01/2012 19:51

vonney, I'm sure I've seen Cadbury's cream eggs over here, just can't remember where at the moment.

vonny


Joined: 25/06/2009
Posts: 476

Message Posted:
09/01/2012 20:02

flowerfairy ive kept my eye out for them here for 4 years,only saw them once one easter,never saw them again but today in lemar i found something similar called Twisted made by cadbury creme eggs,they taste the same,i bought 5 bars and have eaten them all,bang goes my diet,lol,

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
09/01/2012 20:11

msg 85

Ed1957

I thought you are from Manchester because you mentioned constant rain. As you know it hardly ever stops raining in Manchester. I spent my first year in UK there so I know.

ismet

mikelapta



Joined: 20/11/2008
Posts: 2186

Message Posted:
09/01/2012 20:23

Just been enjoying a pork pie from the Pork Shop.

But it is nothing like the "veal and egg pie "







Mike

Yel2011


Joined: 27/04/2011
Posts: 377

Message Posted:
09/01/2012 20:37

Canada

I totally agree sunday mcdonalds breakfast was the best and red lobster, boston market, cheesecake factory, wendys just amazing

Ed1957


Joined: 03/09/2011
Posts: 377

Message Posted:
09/01/2012 21:16

Mikelapta, how can you eat veal, shame on you

Clarissa2


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 1476

Message Posted:
09/01/2012 21:37

Re: Msg91,



He can eat veal the same as millions of other people who appreciate quality meat.

It's a shame to eat junk!

flowerfairy


Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 1277

Message Posted:
09/01/2012 22:01

I choose not to eat veal, my perogative, but what's the difference, when we eat eggs????



Sorry, back to topic.

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
09/01/2012 22:07

Canada - got to agree, Red Lobster is terrific. Had a meal in the Pittsburgh branch after my wedding. Fantastic!

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
09/01/2012 22:29

Quality live music and other entertainment, ability to travel easily and relatively cheaply, decent roads, decent houses, lush green grass, quality shopping, real ale.............................. my Mum

flowerfairy


Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 1277

Message Posted:
09/01/2012 23:09

Paul, where did you come from in UK, ''ability to travel cheaply''????? Jeeez, for me to get a bus from the south green area to Billericay town now is about £3, I can walk it in 20 mins.

Sorry, I haven't tried to even get to London.

jimchris09


Joined: 13/02/2009
Posts: 547

Message Posted:
10/01/2012 12:58

I've worked/lived overseas so long that I find I don't really miss much anymore!



When I go back to UK for a month or so each year then yes... I always enjoy watching local league cricket; having a pint (or 5) in the club after the game; having really good fish and chips, pork pies, kippers and smoked haddock, Lancashire cheese etc etc every so often. But after a couple of weeks or so I'm ready to get away.

JohnDownes


Joined: 03/12/2010
Posts: 123

Message Posted:
10/01/2012 14:29

I've lived here 5 years now and I can honestly say that the only thing I miss from the UK is Cask-Conditioned Real Ale. The TRNC has a lot of detestable qualities (many mentioned by Aslan in message 76 above) but for each one he lists there an equivalent in the UK so on whole I'm happy. Except, as I say, for the beer!

twinky


Joined: 10/08/2008
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
10/01/2012 17:40

I miss my Mum and Dad

canada


Joined: 17/05/2011
Posts: 195

Message Posted:
10/01/2012 21:22

driving from toronto to montreal (6 hours) with friends and spending the weekend in bed and breakfast

Ed1957


Joined: 03/09/2011
Posts: 377

Message Posted:
10/01/2012 21:41

The Mother In Law LOL

canada


Joined: 17/05/2011
Posts: 195

Message Posted:
13/01/2012 19:44

RED LOBSTER RESTAURANT

metininkibris


Joined: 12/12/2011
Posts: 86

Message Posted:
13/01/2012 19:46

The small claims cout and winning cases against tossers won 15 lostr 3 22 k in pocket

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
13/01/2012 20:48

Canada



I think your home-sick!

herindoors


Joined: 13/01/2007
Posts: 138

Message Posted:
13/01/2012 22:08

A bag of chips with loads of salt and vinigar and sitting on Otterspool prom looking at the Mersey.............