Unwin Estates Agents now trading in Russia

truth


Joined: 05/11/2007
Posts: 24


Message Posted:
05/11/2007 20:34

TRNC revokes licence next week.

dodger



Joined: 29/07/2007
Posts: 1051


Message Posted:
05/11/2007 20:41

care to elaborate on this truth

truth


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Message Posted:
05/11/2007 20:55

They are selling on line to Russians and using a junior member of staff who speaks the language to act as a sales contact with viewings via a third party - soon to be named.

truth


Joined: 05/11/2007
Posts: 24


Message Posted:
05/11/2007 20:56

LICENCE REVOKED NEXT WEEK AND STILL TRADING.

truth


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Message Posted:
05/11/2007 21:02

The New Esate Agents Union are Aware of this - and will stamp it out because they said they dont want this company to cause any more problems to the TRNC and thats why they weren't allowed a licence in November.

McSteviet



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 770


Message Posted:
05/11/2007 21:19

This will be interesting !!!

lovelife


Joined: 07/07/2007
Posts: 197


Message Posted:
06/11/2007 19:29

Thruth

How you do know this?,

Is it from an credible source?

Stamp what out? selling to Russians, is it illegal?

So if Unwins are not allowed a licence to trade, then what?

If people are currently in negotiations with Unwins and buying property and parting with their hard earned money, then they should at least be made aware of the situation, as where does it leave them if something happens?

McSteviet



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 770


Message Posted:
10/11/2007 09:45

Truth,



When is this all supposed to happen?



Would be nice to hear your answers to Lovelife's questions in msg # 7



Mc

kcboro


Joined: 10/10/2007
Posts: 47


Message Posted:
11/11/2007 10:24

Hi Truth



Unwins are still holding cash for us

should we worry?

We will be over there end of november.

gaynorish


Joined: 29/05/2007
Posts: 68


Message Posted:
11/11/2007 10:32

This seems really unfair to place 4 posts 6 days ago and then never respond to any questions asked!!!

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 2013


Message Posted:
11/11/2007 10:51

I agree you cant post statements that you cant substantiate this could cause a lot of heartache for some people --------simbas

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 851


Message Posted:
11/11/2007 11:34

The Estate Agents Law (EAL) is coming into effect as of the 17th November 2007. Some 140 Estate Agents have received certification – all the others must cease trading. The HPBG have asked for a list of certified Estate Agents to publish on their website, but do not have it as yet, they have however a number you can call to check if an estate agent is legal, it is 0392 227 3673. Their advice is, "As this is the TRNC – it goes without saying that many will continue to act illegally – if someone you know buys from an illegal Estate Agent, they will not have the protection of the new law – get them to phone and check! If they will not close up shop to abide by the law, then lets close them through NO SALES and reporting the fact they are operating outside the law"

Hope this stops people from worrying.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 851


Message Posted:
11/11/2007 11:49

Also you can fax for this information on 0090(0) 392 227 492.

BOJOY


Joined: 13/09/2007
Posts: 27


Message Posted:
11/11/2007 14:33

what happens if you are buying through Unwins(like us) and they dont have a license?

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 851


Message Posted:
11/11/2007 14:43

One would assume that all estate agents will be able to complete existing business. Would you be better sending all your payments to your acting solicitor rather than Unwins?

McSteviet



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Posts: 770


Message Posted:
11/11/2007 18:47

I would say never send money via the estate agents, do it always through the solicitor and make



Mc

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 2242


Message Posted:
17/11/2007 08:41

Any news as it seems all quiet on the unwins front ?

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 851


Message Posted:
17/11/2007 12:02

We won't know until the estate agents law is passed and becomes effective from the 17th. Then we should be able to find out who is registered. Have the HBPG said that they will have this info on their site? If not you can bet that Victoria Loss and the "warning TRNC website" will display this information.

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 2242


Message Posted:
18/11/2007 07:25

I do wonder if Victoria Loss and the "warning TRNC website" is a genuine attempt to help or exact revenge !!



Alot of us have been well and truly shafted by estate agents lawyers and builders.



There is now at last the property information office( many thanks to marion stokes and all at hbpg ) and perhaps with a lot of luck some good will and lots of patience some or all of us will get what we have paid for.

victoriasloss


Joined: 27/04/2007
Posts: 72


Message Posted:
18/11/2007 07:39

Hi Littlenige



we at trncwarning are waiting with baited breath at the moment, we do have a lilltle news re: Unwins and the Estate Agents Listings but are awaiting confirmation of what we have been told, but it appears at the moment that there may have been some back-tracking by the authorities responsible for the EAL and boy if this info is true then we will be blowing the lid from its pot. People cannot be constantly ripped off and those who are responsible get away with it and carry on with their receipt of new cars, building their own big houses - sorry but its not on. Look at our lastets story - a guy was beaten up by his builder - its disgusting - and don't even start me on the poisoning issues !!!!!!!!!

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 2013


Message Posted:
18/11/2007 09:22

Victorialoss this is more than a little frightening for alot of investors ,are you in contact with all the investors with unwins or are there still people out there that does'nt know whats going on ??

Be careful and good luck --------- simbas

victoriasloss


Joined: 27/04/2007
Posts: 72


Message Posted:
18/11/2007 10:09

Hi Simbas



Until we have conclusive evidence that a certain Estate Agent is on the "safe-list" then we cannot comment. The Estate Agent concerned has the majority of complaints against any Estate Agent lodged against them at the PCO - If they are on the list - then it makes the list a "complete Farce". We are currently awaiting the list (one that has not been modified for UK eyes) and as soon as we have it, we will be publishing it on the website.



Honest non-spin monitoring of the PCO can be found at http://www.trnc-pco.com or via http://www.homebuyerspressuregroup.com

victoriasloss


Joined: 27/04/2007
Posts: 72


Message Posted:
18/11/2007 10:12

by the way its not Property Complaints Office any more - its Property Information Office ??????????



http://www.pco-trnc.com/PCO_renamed_CT171120073_comp.pdf



and the address in the previous posting is



www.pco-trnc.com

sorry - got it the wrong way round

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 851


Message Posted:
18/11/2007 11:35

I read the account of the builder and his son attacking the buyer outside the supermarket. The diary enteries by the buyer make interesting reading if people click on the lead above the information on the TRNC property warning site. Once again though we have no idea who this builder is.....and this is the problem. Potential buyers don't know who to avoid?

victoriasloss


Joined: 27/04/2007
Posts: 72


Message Posted:
18/11/2007 12:22

http://i-see-why.spaces.live.com/?_c11_BlogPart_BlogPart=blogview&_c=BlogPart&partqs=amonth=10&ayear=2007



this is the link and it will name the builder

McSteviet



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 770


Message Posted:
18/11/2007 15:21

Vikki,



This link does not name the builder as far as I can see. Can you enlighten us further?



MC

victoriasloss


Joined: 27/04/2007
Posts: 72


Message Posted:
18/11/2007 15:39

it does in a way 1'm a con sounds very like it if you add it togethr - if Robin wants to name them so shall I, but until that time just say Imacon quickly and you have got it ! begins with A ends win N

McSteviet



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Posts: 770


Message Posted:
18/11/2007 16:15

O silly me, I see

jacko


Joined: 20/11/2007
Posts: 117


Message Posted:
20/11/2007 14:59

Hi everyone im new to this site and when i came across this thread i felt i had to make some response in defense of the Estate agent who you seem to be criticising.



any person out there who is looking at purchasing in a home in a foreign country should always be aware of the dangers of scrupulous cowboys in any trade and that applys to estate agents as well as builders. However when you purchase a property in the Uk we all trust who we appoint either to sell our homes or to purchase our new home so what is different abroad? As long as you do your homework and go from recommendations there should be no problems. I personally have dealt with Unwins estate agents on my property purchase and cannot recommend them enough even down to after sales and advice. For those who dont know too much about them they are one of the longer running estate agents who have been in Northern cyprus for many years so know all about the pros and cons about buying and selling property. It seems to me that people are only listening to one side of the story instead of contacting the estate agent direct and putting your concerns across, i suggest you do, i cannot understand why they would put there hard work under threat, they have built up a very good property business as well as a very good English school which i might add has wonderful comments by those who attend and those who've now left. This is too owned by the ogres of people you seem to be calling. So all of you out there who are concerned with this thread and currently buying through Unwins dont be you, you will soon be the proud owners like me of a wonderful property enjoy.

Harvey


Joined: 01/10/2007
Posts: 9


Message Posted:
20/11/2007 16:06

I am sure it is very noble to defend Unwins when everythng with your purchase went without a problem. When you have lost £60,000, payed via Unwins to a developer recommended by them and who's properties they are still selling, then things are a little different. Unwins do not want to know when things start going wrong and I am sure a lot of other people out there will agree, especially those on Amaranta Valley.

jacko


Joined: 20/11/2007
Posts: 117


Message Posted:
20/11/2007 16:35

if i was in the process of losing £60,000 then i would be sitting down with both Unwins and the developers to try and resolve the issues concerned, No one can just lose £60k there has to be good reasons for that.Im sorry that your purchase did not go well with them but what im saying is that there has to be 2 sides to the story im not trying to defend anyone here just that i feel it is not just black and white and im sure you would have taken legal advice on your purchase and now that you have lost such a large amount.

Maybe this is the chance for others who have dealt with Unwins whether good or bad to put there views across.

Harvey


Joined: 01/10/2007
Posts: 9


Message Posted:
20/11/2007 16:51

Tried that a year ago. Mark Unwin did not want to know. Now in the hands of solicitors as are the cases of the other 20 people on the development who all have lost between £20k and £60k each. There are many similar cases just look on the PCO site.

victoriasloss


Joined: 27/04/2007
Posts: 72


Message Posted:
20/11/2007 16:59

Hello





www.trncpropertywarning.freewebsites.com



PLEASE NOTE DO NOT PAY ANYONE ANOTHER PENNY - IF THEY ARE HONEST AND COMPETENT THEY WILL ACCEPT MONEY AFTER THE WORK IS COMPLETED - SEE WARNINGS ON ABOVE WEBSITE









is the website, which consists of the "coming together" of a number of people that have have money extorted from them by unscrupulous criminals freely working with North Cyprus. This cannot and if we have anything to do with it will not continue. We have begun to demonstrate at holiday home expos here (see attached article):











Time for property protest

Suzan NURİ





Yazarın tüm yazılarını görüntüle





27 Eylül 2007, Perşembe Yorum Yaz Yazdır Arkadaşına Gönder





IT MAY seem like an own goal to have North Cyprus property buyers protesting at North Cyprus construction companies at the recent ExCeL overseas property show, especially bearing in the mind the ongoing arguments with Greek Cypriots over land in the North.



However, it is time that we recognise that there are a few wayward property and construction companies in the North that are ripping people off, failing to complete building projects and generally taking the money and heading for the hills.



A lobby group calling themselves the Aga Buyers Action Group demonstrated at the recent property show, highlighting many problems with a particular development in Arapköy.



But the property company being protested about are not alone in providing substandard housing and service to people dreaming of a villa in the sun (and don't even get me started about health and safety failures).



In fact the action group distributed info and literature warning people of the pitfalls of buying in North Cyprus, none of which helps the many legitimate and trustworthy constructors and property developers there.



But it is abundantly clear that action needs to be taken to curb these cowboy developers from conning people with the promise of a lovely home, only to swallow up potential home buyers' investments and then disappear.



The lobbying group has already managed to get a TRNC property complaints office set up and this alone has received over 70 applications since its inception.



We must realise that while we wish the property sector to continue to thrive and recognise what a vital part of the TRNC economy property has become, untrustworthy developers are undermining the industry and heaping misery upon people who wish to live in the North and help it to prosper.



So the door is left open to lobby groups such as the Aga Buyers Action Group to condemn such cynical tactics by constructors which mean villas remain incomplete, without amenities or even title deeds.



If the TRNC government can't be bothered to step in and take action, what choice do lobby groups like Aga Buyers have but to try to publicise the issue in this way, however unpalatable that may be to the TRNC government and North Cyprus?











Protests rock Property Investor Show







By Cihan ALTAN



and Kağan YARKAN







DISILLUSIONED investors in North Cyprus property organised a demonstration at the Property Investor Show, where Turkish Cypriot real estate companies exhibited their developments at the weekend.







Perşembe 20:16

27 Eylül 2007 Yorum Yaz Yazdır Arkadaşına Gönder

















Angry Turkish Cypriot and British homebuyers handed out leaflets to browsers, warning of the dangers in investing in property in the region. Among the demonstrators were UK-based members of the Aga Buyers Action Group, who have paid for homes in Arapköy that are yet to be completed.



Leaflets referred browsers to a number of websites and warned buyers of "possible pitfalls" when buying property in North

lovelife


Joined: 07/07/2007
Posts: 197


Message Posted:
20/11/2007 19:44

Jacko

Like you we have bought through Unwins and so far so good, however if this estate agents law does not give Unwins a licence to trade you can hardly expect people to hand over their hard earned money (without asking relevant questions), to what may be a illegal estate agent and will not be covered under the new law if anything goes wrong.

The trnc property warning website has several stories re Unwins and highlights other peoples unfortunate experiences in the hands Unwins, and they have shared this to inform other people that they have not been as fortunate as you, and unfortunately mud sticks.

This forum is about sharing experinces/opinions good and bad, whether you agree with them or not. Until I get written confirmation that states otherwise my Husband I will not be handing over any money to Unwins.

Paulkay


Joined: 10/11/2007
Posts: 64


Message Posted:
20/11/2007 19:51

Hi vikki

Good luck with what you and the group are doing.

Do you have a list of lawyers,builders and estate agents.

As we are looking to buy off plan early next year and want to make sure that we get the best and hornest people helping us witht our dream

Kind regards and good luck Paul

victoriasloss


Joined: 27/04/2007
Posts: 72


Message Posted:
20/11/2007 20:08

if you contact us off board with whom you are thinking of using we will try to advise you

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 851


Message Posted:
20/11/2007 22:57

Why are people handing over money to their estate agent in the first place? Shouldn't it be the lawyer?

Paulkay


Joined: 10/11/2007
Posts: 64


Message Posted:
21/11/2007 06:58

hi victoria

sent messages of board but both have come back to me.

could you email me than that we give me a link to you so i can give you the info that you want.

regards Paul

BOJOY


Joined: 13/09/2007
Posts: 27


Message Posted:
21/11/2007 08:56

Hi Lovelife,

We are in the same boat as you, purchasing through Unwins and yes so far so good. I have noticed however Neil/Chris who we saw at Unwins(Aug 07) are no longer with them and they have a few new staff. Am i being cynical or are they reacting to bad publicity? I hope not and the purchase will continue to run smoothly.

jacko


Joined: 20/11/2007
Posts: 117


Message Posted:
21/11/2007 15:14

Bradus i quite agree with you why are people giving money to estate agents when they have employed a solicitor to act on their behalf and in their best interest.



Bojoy you went with Unwins on the purchase of your property because gut instinct told you it was the right choice i too had the same feelings and i am so happy with my home and have no regrets whats so ever of the people i have dealt with and im sure you wont either.



I keep hearing it mentioned that Unwins are not a registered estate agent from my understanding they are and when i spoke to them of my concerns on my purchase they were in full support of the governments actions and yes i too did my homework as i have been bitten like some of you in the past but in Crete. From what i can understand from this government legislation is that any new estate agents coming on board must have registerd by the 17th Nov existing agents must re register by Feb 2008.



If i and i say if, there is as many complaints about this estate agent as you say then why hasnt the government put a stop to them trading until investigations have been completed, secondly i have not read of any court case made against them from the media and surely this type of rogueness would soon be disclosed to the public. I think that builder was the one who got out of the country but was found and bought back and is now working with the government to put right that housing project, i may have the wrong person but i do listen to local gossip.



There is always golden rules when purchasing abroad some of us learn the hard way others do there homework sometimes its not always healthy in believing what you read best way is by recommendations, talking with local people etc



Me personally i would make sure they are registered and that the developer is registered too next make sure you make all payments through your solictor.



What people dont realise by threads like this without proper evidence and factual court cases is what they are doing is not only destroying the Northern Cyprus property market but in turn crippling the economy just when they were moving forward. I totally believe in naming and shaming people if justified and have done it but at the same time i took advice and was warned to make sure that all my facts were actual facts and a wrong person was not been sent to the slaughter.



Whoever you choose to buy from or persons to act on your behalf is never going to please another person as much we all have our standards,.

Kibris


Joined: 07/11/2007
Posts: 53


Message Posted:
21/11/2007 18:25

Ok...I have been browsing this thread since "Truth" started it ten days ago, now I wouldn't normally post on such a thread as this... but reading his/her posts its obvious she has some gripe against Unwin Estate Agents.



I'm sure as jacko says, it would have been more constructive to actually request a meeting with Unwins rather than post such unsubstantiated drivel as this.



Truth where did you get the info in post number 5? Made it up no doubt!



Notice "Truth" has made no further posts on this thread....looks to me to be a troublemaker, maybe a rival Estate Agent!



Personally I would not take much notice of anything on this type of forum, any body can just log on and post what they like...



I bought my property through Unwin Estate Agents nearly 2 years ago..I made my payments to them too...at least they check the property is ready before they pass it on....I'm damn sure no solictor would do this!!!...and guess what I was delighted with their service from start to finish!



I have no problems reccommending them to anyone, on this forum or anywhere!!!



Now "Truth" come out of the woodwork and lets here a grown up response rather than the crap you have posted before.

kyrenia007


Joined: 19/08/2007
Posts: 89


Message Posted:
21/11/2007 18:41

Same here, there was absolutely no pressure to buy from them and whenever I contact them (Peter in particular), they are always helpful and could not do enough. Contracts were dealt with swiftly between ourselves and our solicitor, payments were transferred on time and we receive photo updates on time. I fully sympathise with those people who have had major problems with their purchases and have seen their dreams turn into a nightmare but the overall impression we got from Unwins is that they are a professional establishment and we have no reasons not to recommend them.

lovelife


Joined: 07/07/2007
Posts: 197


Message Posted:
21/11/2007 19:37

Hi Boyjoy



We have always dealt with Peter, and have found him helpful, however he did say when we met in Oct that some one else would be dealing with us,( sending us pictures and answering any questions we may have etc)cannot remember the name unfortunately, but if I need info then I will email Peter.

We have had no feed back re the progress of our build, but as mentioned we were out in Oct and Peter arranged for us to meet up with our builder.





Definition of a forum ' a market place esp in Rome where public business was transacted and justice dispensed; a meeting to discuss topics of public concern'

Kibris are there any other types of forum?

dodger



Joined: 29/07/2007
Posts: 1051


Message Posted:
21/11/2007 19:42

i agree with the last two posts it has to be rival estate agent propaganda,come out from the gutter truth and tell thruth and nothing but the truth so help you god.

archie


Joined: 21/11/2007
Posts: 4


Message Posted:
21/11/2007 20:55

Its ok Truth, I know who you are and you are certainly not an estate agent. I'm afraid there is just no helping some people. Keep up the good work and I just hope the doubters do not live to regret thier scoffing.

lovingcyprus


Joined: 02/03/2007
Posts: 514


Message Posted:
21/11/2007 21:22

Another 1st poster here

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1961


Message Posted:
21/11/2007 21:31

hi everyone

its a very thin line between good and bad with sujects like these because i feel its like trying to take another persons bread and butter (taking a persons livelyhood away)

unless it is well justified or it has happened to me or anyone else then i or you have every right to post what ever we want

i have read the all the posts and i agree with what some of the posters are saying forums like these anyone can join and post any kind of bull about an agent to blacken their reputation and this can be another agent and i know how this buisness can be cut throat between some of the agents especially as the market has slowed down a bit!!!

but on the other hand i fully agree with anyone to post on this forum that has been mis treated either it be ripped off or mis represented but they have to back their stories and not just post and not respond to everyones replies,

and quite to the contary of some people these forums are the ideal place for people to come together and post their their good experiances and bad experiances and that way hopefully new buyers who takes a look at these forums can make up their own choice because at the moment the property market is not fully regulated and the only other way is thru freedom of speach



so come on guys we all adults here i think!! the future of north cyprus depends on the property market and untill the country is fully regulated lets not show the people outside north cyprus it cant run as a self ruling independent country

regards to all

ukturk

Kibris


Joined: 07/11/2007
Posts: 53


Message Posted:
22/11/2007 07:12

Mmmmm well truth Archie knows who you are!! and he joined the forum yesterday, are "Truth" and "Archie" the same person?.... suppose we will never know!..... and who was scoffing "Truth" er I mean "Archie!!

jacko


Joined: 20/11/2007
Posts: 117


Message Posted:
22/11/2007 10:13

Amazing ive been on other forums in the past and had to be very careful in what i say otherwise it would not be showed, I used to say what ever happened to Freedom of speech but hey the last few threads have said what i wanted to say from the start. As i said im new to this site and like most find most of the threads a good source of information but when you get 'Truth or Archie' making allegations and then not defending their thread then something tells me just like his/her name there must be some untruth in it.



Peope like this really anger me, they like stirring the apple cart and putting those doubts in peoples head, all i can say is get a life stop spending your time on forums like this and get your solicitor to do your battles if it is justified.



Im so pleased there are others out there who have been pleased with there purchase and i hope others dont listen to these scare mongers and Northern Cyprus can continue to move forward.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 2013


Message Posted:
22/11/2007 11:32

Jacko i agree wholeheartedly

have a good day simbas

archie


Joined: 21/11/2007
Posts: 4


Message Posted:
22/11/2007 13:05

Firstly I would like to say that I have been reading this forum for sometime and joined yesterday after reading the comments about Truth. Thanks for the warm welcome! Sorry but Truth and I are not the same and have never met. It doesn't take a lot to work out who Truth is.



I am pleased for all those whose purchase is working out but there are still a lot of people out there whose purchase isn't. There would be no need for the Homebuyers Pressure Group or the Property Complaints Office otherwise and there is just one estate agent who's name keeps cropping up time and again.

jacko


Joined: 20/11/2007
Posts: 117


Message Posted:
22/11/2007 14:31

Archie this Homebuyers pressure group sounds to me like a very very small group who have nothing better to do than bring the housing industry down. If this estate agent is as bad as you claim then where is the evidence eg media reports , the closure sign on the estate agents door till further investigation has been conducted and why are they still doing business as normal? The government and solicitors would action this immeditely if it was as bad as you claim



Im surprised that it took you so long to join maybe because after all you are working along side Truth. Personally i would be very careful when you make allegations you could be creating more trouble for yourself, where is your proof for these accusations against Unwins im very surprised that your solicitor is not advising you all to keep quiet. Some People on this forum felt they have had to acknowledge are being more supportive since i have given them abit more food for thought.



As you are aware Home web pages can be setup by anyone and names to lists can be added at random we've all heard it happening. The only true web pages that should be read is government complaints records and i have not seen anything along these lines. Maybe we should be pushing them to provide a web site for the best and worst businesses to deal with.



There are many happy home owners out there who have bought through Unwins and in turn recommending them to others. and i hope this continues for them.

archie


Joined: 21/11/2007
Posts: 4


Message Posted:
22/11/2007 18:06

Jacko



The Homebuyers Pressure Group has around 2000 members. All the local press report on the outcome of their meetings and the Homebuyers Pressure Group were instrumental in getting the Government to agree to set up the Property Complaints Office and have had meetings with all levels of Government in order to try to resolve these problems.



Where have you been hiding?

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 851


Message Posted:
22/11/2007 19:39

I object to the homebuyers pressure group being described as a group that have nothing better to do than bring the housing industry down! (only an estate agent and builder would say such a thing)They have supported many people and campaigned endlessly to improve peoples experience of buying in the TRNC. Their web site is full of useful information which has helped many from falling into the hands of rogue estate agents, builders and lawyers. Sadly there are many such people in the TRNC. I am glad you had a good experience with Unwins Jacko and its nice to hear from people who have positive things to say as there has been so much doom and gloom connected with buying in North Cyprus. However please respect other peoples opinions and allow them also to share their experiences with us all. With a wealth of information and people describing their past experiences, most are now able to make up their own minds and avoid the Estate agents and builders who are all too often associated with scams. The advice on this forum has always been "buyer beware"........and we are.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1961


Message Posted:
22/11/2007 20:16

hi guys

i fully agree with bradus!!!!

as i mentioned on my post message 47 none of you people must not understand what these forums are for to share the good and bad stories whatever the subject, their views (right or wrong), to pass on their knowledge to help others and this subject is exactly that!!

some people have had good experiances and some have had bad experiances with unwins and both have every right to post on this subject, but this tit for tat he said she said crap is pointless

jacko maybe you are new to this subject or you are new to cyprus the homebuyers pressure group is not a very very small group in fact actually the opposite their website is very informative and helpfull on many subjects

these people set up the website to warn people of the pitfalls of dealing with some agents but they also have good stories

even thou some of these people have a bit of blame in being trusting to much

and not fully doing their homework no one deserves to have their life savings taken away from them!!!, so i fully support this legitimate group even thou i dont agree with certain groups not saying any names going to property expos and demostrating about dodgy agents in north cyprus are also damaging the reps of good builders and agents aswell

regards

ukturk



p.s this is my final post on this matter i consider this pointless and maybe you mature posters should consider it to!!!!

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 2013


Message Posted:
22/11/2007 20:56

i think i misunderstood the contents in message 49 . am i missing something here jacko ? you talk of freedom of speech in message 49 ,then go on to criticize people for doing so in 52. people speak as they find and they should not be discouraged from doing , so if it was'nt for people like these sharing their experiences with others things could be awhole lot worse .and if it was'nt for hpg doing a great job , helping and giving support to families who have lost a lot of hard earned money ,and making important information available to the people who are thinking of investing in trnc ,allowing them to make informed choices . i am supporting ukturk and will not respond further to this post

regards simbas

Perry



Joined: 27/01/2007
Posts: 190


Message Posted:
22/11/2007 21:26

I would also support both UK Turk and Simbas.

Although I do get irritated with Victoriailoss and co who ALWAYS take the negative and attack North Cyprus in general - someties on one side of the story. We know her parents had a bad experience with the Aga Saga along with the rest of them, and you do have our understanding - but it appears every snippet of negative news around NC is now exploited.



People loose money in investment funds through bad advice and believing salesmen - are you going to go on a crusade against them as well ?



Remember that as Victoria keeps posting her negative comments and her 'warnings' it can put people off buying in NC which affects us all. We will effectively join the victims if it causes a crisis in the NC property market, and most of us will have invested more money.



For the record, I am an honest Englishman who has bought a holiday home (who did his research !!!) and I am very happy with both my builder and my house there - and both my family and I love the place.

Kibris


Joined: 07/11/2007
Posts: 53


Message Posted:
23/11/2007 08:34

I actually agree with UKturk, its time this pointless thread was put to bed, it has gone from a childish immature post from TRUTH, who seems to me to be just a gutless troublecauser. I'm all for positive posts on any forum but wild accusations from the likes of Truth, and now "Archie" son of TRUTH with this ridiculous post:



" There would be no need for the Homebuyers Pressure Group or the Property Complaints Office otherwise and there is just one estate agent who's name keeps cropping up time and again."



Sorry Archie or Truth or whatever your name is, but either you are a malicious liar, or an imbecile!! Do you honestly expect anyone to believe that the only name on the HPG Hit List is Unwin Estate Agents?



This is why I think TRUTH and ARCHIE are one and the same, just out to cause as much trouble as possible, I urge every “mature” and “sensible” forumite to ignore this half wit, and carry on with the thread if thats what you want. All the other posts on this thread are fair comment!



This Thread is going no where!! time for an end to it!

jacko


Joined: 20/11/2007
Posts: 117


Message Posted:
23/11/2007 10:37

I totally agree with you all this thread should come to an end otherwise the person who actually started it 'Truth' would be winning. I think you all misunderstood what i was trying to say . I am totally in full support of these forums in naming and shaming people and i think the majority of estate agents and builders would support such action groups etc as it all reflects on them as well. But this particualr thread seemed to make accusations against one particular agent,what i was trying to do was put my own personal experience with that agent forward and so have others that it has been very good. For those who have had bad experiences then good luck with your crusade especially if it is happening all the time NC can do without rogues like this.

truth


Joined: 05/11/2007
Posts: 24


Message Posted:
30/11/2007 19:30

Do they have a licence and if so, who issued it

McSteviet



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 770


Message Posted:
01/12/2007 00:39

Truth,



If you know something we all don't, then either share it with us or please butt out.



Mc

lovelife


Joined: 07/07/2007
Posts: 197


Message Posted:
01/12/2007 11:10

I agree with Mc,

I cannot decide on your motives Thruth whether you have a genuine reason for this posting or merely wish to be contentious.



There are somethings in life that irritate me and this is one of them, I do wish you would get to the point and actually come out with what you know (if anything) thats credible and will help inform people, or as Mc says please butt out.



LL

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 851


Message Posted:
01/12/2007 11:33

Just looking at your email information its obvious that you have had a bad experience buying in the TRNC. Why don't you share that experience with us.....surely you don't want anyone else to fall victim to a scam or use untrustworthy agents or lawyers? This forum is known as one of the most supportive and informative sites regarding house purchase in the TRNC, bit of a support network for all who use. Would you please either share your experience so that we can deal with it constructively or stop posting things that will only lead us to dismiss your postings as they have no sustance. Put up or shut up should be your options.

ilovecyprus



Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 1386


Message Posted:
01/12/2007 14:47

well said Bradus

truth


Joined: 05/11/2007
Posts: 24


Message Posted:
01/12/2007 15:02

www.trncpropertywarning.freewebsites.com







99% of the victims bought via Unwin Estates. No one has been given a refund.



Evey penny lost, amounting to milions.



No recourse, no morals, no justice.







Avoid Unwins - we all wish we had.

truth


Joined: 05/11/2007
Posts: 24


Message Posted:
01/12/2007 15:18

The Government Estate Agent List Who is on it ?











All of them? None of them? Some of them?







It seems that the government are not being as transparent as their website says they are. According to Marian Stokes: I have tried to get a list of registered Estate Agents from the Estate Agents Union but they must be under pressure from the government not to give it out. We were advised that, if buyers wanted to know if the agent is registered, th