Unwins Estates

helpme


Joined: 24/11/2007
Posts: 2


Message Posted:
24/11/2007 14:55

Hi,

I am in the process of buying an off plan property in Alsancak (Citrus Grove), it was due to be completed by Feb 08 but have now been advised that it will be Dec08. Although, I am not to bothered about the delay, it prompted me to investigate further and have read some scarey stories involving Unwins and Andelip construction (my builder).

I have paid for a recommended lawyer to Unwins and heard nothing from them and also paid one installment so far.

Has anyone got any positive feedback re Unwins and Andelip construction now im already committed or should I cut my losses and run?

BOJOY


Joined: 13/09/2007
Posts: 26


Message Posted:
24/11/2007 15:15

Hi helpme,

I to am buying through Unwins but would suggest you look at the other "thread" that was started and finished, further down on the Forum. I have no complaints and have been reassured by commments i have received.

helpme


Joined: 24/11/2007
Posts: 2


Message Posted:
24/11/2007 15:20

Hi,

Thanks for your reply. Did you also buy off plan?

Tessell



Joined: 27/11/2007
Posts: 3


Message Posted:
27/11/2007 11:02

Hi - I'm also new to the Forum and a new buyer, from Unwins, with an almost completed proerty in Karsiyaka. Read most of the comments regarding Unwins, only after I had progressed so far down the line, and got very nervous to say the least.



I shouldn't have been! Made a commitment in July, visited last week to see progress & the property is almost complete with excellent build quality!!



Since the beginning, Unwins have been nothing but professional and very helpful, and the builder, Kofali Construction, has done a wonderful job.



Can't wait to hand over early next year - I'll be asking lots of questions in the meantime and I've noted the wonderful help & advice from the Forum Memebers. Thanks to all.

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 74


Message Posted:
27/11/2007 16:23

We bought with Unwins in Jan 2005, off plan. Property handed over on time June 2006. So for what everyone is saying about Unwins we have no complaints, they were helpful, sent us pics at regular intervals & answered all our queries.

P & J

gingerballs


Joined: 05/08/2007
Posts: 6


Message Posted:
30/11/2007 16:56

Hi, im soon to be Tessell s next door neibour in Karsiyaka. I also cannot fault Unwins as above I found them very professional.



I mainly dealt with Peter Harrell the manager who is freindly and helpfull ,as are all the staff Ive met and spoke to.



We have one little issue over the height of the rear wall which im sure will get sorted out, but I think we chose well if thats the only problem we have.



Cant wait to use your pool Tessel as I cant afford to fill mine up

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 427


Message Posted:
30/11/2007 18:36

Well I informed UNWINS I had purchased from another developer and to take me off their mailking list, I received a Christmas Card today!!!

truth


Joined: 05/11/2007
Posts: 24


Message Posted:
30/11/2007 19:20

Thats good of them.



Ask them if they have a licence and who issued it.

MCSTEVIET



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 709


Message Posted:
01/12/2007 00:40

Truth,



I say again, either tell us what you know or go away.



Mc

mary1


Joined: 01/12/2007
Posts: 1


Message Posted:
01/12/2007 02:44

OK lets get to the truth far to many stories that would give you more than a scare or two.

yes we went through unwins

yes we have a complete house

yes it was complete on time.

no they did not con us

no they did not lie

yes they did hold on to about 40 thousand pounds sterling for us as we sent the payment but did not want them to pass it on to the builder until we asked them to.

yes they gave us loads of help & advice on moving to cyprus.would i recommend any agent NO its only something you can choose not other people its your money& life so its all down to you...

Yes it is said that they have had a few bad marks against them like many agents but all i can say is its all talk good & bad if true they do seem to have improved greatly over the past couple of years most of the gossip goes no further than oh i know things but no-one ever tells you what it is & most of it goes back to many years ago never seen any of it myself & do keep in mind that people who have time to kill often gossip how much of it is true well your guess is as good as mine. Its a lot of money to part with so be wise get an independant lawyer if you feel that unsure but at the end of the day you make the choice as most of us have, wish you all the best.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 747


Message Posted:
01/12/2007 11:19

As usual the problem lies with government officials. Where is the transparency we were all assurred would happen when the new estate agents law became valid? So far, nobody has been able to get any information about which estate agents are registered and which, if any, have lost their licence to practice. The whole system needs a shake up as this sort of action does nothing to promote the TRNC as a safe place to invest in or even restore confidence that constructive action is being taken to safeguard the buyer. This inaction allows any rumours to be taken seriously and encourages people to act on them, when perhaps some of them should have been taken with a pinch of salt? I'm certainly no business woman but even I can see vast loop-holes in the governments strategy and until they tighten the laws and more importantly are seen to act in ways that protect investors the bottom will eventually fall out of the housing market. They surely must be aware of the damage to their economy that all this inaction is having?

ilovecyprus



Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 1148


Message Posted:
01/12/2007 14:48

well said Bradus

truth


Joined: 05/11/2007
Posts: 24


Message Posted:
01/12/2007 15:00

www.trncpropertywarning.freewebsites.com



99% of the victims bought via Unwin Estates. No one has been given a refund.

Evey penny lost, amounting to milions.

No recourse, no morals, no justice.



Avoid Unwins - we all wish we had.

truth


Joined: 05/11/2007
Posts: 24


Message Posted:
01/12/2007 15:16

The Government Estate Agent List Who is on it ?





All of them? None of them? Some of them?



It seems that the government are not being as transparent as their website says they are. According to Marian Stokes: I have tried to get a list of registered Estate Agents from the Estate Agents Union but they must be under pressure from the government not to give it out. We were advised that, if buyers wanted to know if the agent is registered, they must phone the Union. The Interior Ministry control who gets certified and then they must also register with the Union. I think it's all very political and the Interior Ministry Undersecretary wants to control it all. (19-11-2007)



In theory, if the Estate Agent is still trading then the government takes responsibility for monitoring that it is following its new Estate Agents Laws. This should mean that the gobbledegook contained in that law should lead to prosecution if, say, an Estate Agent (or their employee if vicarious liability applies here) wrongly describes the property they are buying.



But it appears that there are cases of wrongly described property being referred to the Property Complaints section of the Property Information Office which concern a specific Estate Agent who may or may not have been registered despite this. But unfortunately the governments alleged transparency breaks down here because the list is not publicly available to be checked. OK, you can phone and be given a verbal answer but past experience is that answers can change and if you have made decisions based upon that answer, and go back to complain, where is your evidence that you haven't misheard?





www.homebuyerspressuregroup.com

RECENT UPDATES

22/11/2007

Looks like the current TRNC government have had a change of heart on their http://www.trncproperty.eu website. Only two weeks ago I wrote, "my favourite phrase on the website is the PM's declaration that 'we must be transparent and clear in order not to create a negative effect on foreign investments.'" This statement has now been withdrawn, possibly in the light of the secrecy surrounding the approved estate agent list. Freedom of Information appears not to be one of the current government's aims. Does this mean that by not being transparent the government risks creating a negative effect on foreign investments?



I know they were wondering why there was a need for websites like http://www.pco-trnc.com, but I think it is now clear that, like the permission to purchase list, information about the activities of the PCO are going to be a state secret. Only through "unoffcial" websites is this information going to be available, thanks to PCO applicants who are willing to have their cases monitored. I wonder what Rasit Pertev's new party has to say in their manifesto about Freedom of Information.





http://www.homebuyerspressuregroup.com

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1872


Message Posted:
01/12/2007 15:28

hi

this like the other subject you started truth i will only comment once and i wont comment futher on this subject again because i feel both of these subjects are not leading to any where

you have been asked to quote on any thing you know to help people on their quest on buying either it be thru unwins or any other agent and in my eyes you have not ok you have posted the website about property warning and yes 99% of the victims have brought thru unwins but this is a false percentage because there is only around seven or eight stories on the website that have had bad experiances, i can mention many other agents who have ripped off more customers, so if this is your input in to the subject i dont think much of it!!!

im sorry that these people and yourself have been ripped of not just by unwins and by other agents

my input into this is you should never go into it with your eyes closed take your time and not be so trusting and belive the bull some of the agents tell you and go with recommandations of other people then you can make you own mind up!!!!

again this is the last time im posting on this subject and i urge all my fellow mature posters not to bother with these subjects again unless we can read some usefull helpfull advice and stories

regards

ukturk

lovingcyprus


Joined: 02/03/2007
Posts: 459


Message Posted:
01/12/2007 16:38

If one estate agent sells say 1,000 properties and other sells just 100 it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that the agent who sold 1,000 properties will get the majority of complaints does it???

Kibris


Joined: 07/11/2007
Posts: 41


Message Posted:
02/12/2007 09:50

Truth once again you raise your ugly negative head... it seems you have a problem with Unwin Estate Agents, but do you need to hijack every thread with your poisonous out bursts...you are getting boring, why not go and vent your frustrations with the agent?



now do us a favour and go away!!

truth


Joined: 05/11/2007
Posts: 24


Message Posted:
02/12/2007 13:09

No intentions of going away 'Kibris'

lovingcyprus


Joined: 02/03/2007
Posts: 459


Message Posted:
02/12/2007 14:40

truth



Perhaps your name should be UNTRUTH, take a look at your member information, there's not a lot of truth there now is there.



Hiding your identity will do you no favours.

truth


Joined: 05/11/2007
Posts: 24


Message Posted:
02/12/2007 20:36

What a *****ng sad git you are, loving Cyprus 112 posts. Go and buy a house of Unwin better still buy mine or the 400 others he sold.. to date. Some poor sods have died in the meantime. He made millions -

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 1738


Message Posted:
02/12/2007 21:12

Hey ,steady on truth. theres no need for that.

lovingcyprus


Joined: 02/03/2007
Posts: 459


Message Posted:
02/12/2007 22:32

Actually truth (sorry I meant UNTRUTH) I did buy a property from Unwins.



Still hiding behind your identity as I said that will do you no favours

truth


Joined: 05/11/2007
Posts: 24


Message Posted:
03/12/2007 02:25

Unwins have done the AGA buyers no favours. They marketed 'fresh air'

took their cut and run. They were the only winners in the AGA saga - give or take a few legal eagles, sorry vultures.

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 427


Message Posted:
03/12/2007 08:46

Dear Truth,



From what I can read from you and your member information, it seems obvious that Unwins in some way have possibly done you a misdeed. Please tell the forum what has happened and how you got caught up in the sorry story? (without ranting). We I must admit, we were put off by the Unwins story's in buying any property from them. But now as some members say, they have not had any problems. What is the reason for their good guy - bad guy image? Possibly not worried who they act for in selling may be the main reason.



It seems to me that you are eaten up by it all and if you let it consume you, then you will be the one in need of a cardiac nurse.



People on this forum are very helpful, so tone down the knee jerk replies and I'm sure others will be a bit more sympathetic and more helpful in your cause.



Have a nice day all.



Tiggy: reporting from a sunny London morning.

lovingcyprus


Joined: 02/03/2007
Posts: 459


Message Posted:
03/12/2007 13:59

truth



Your message 23 says that Unwins have done the AGA buyers no favours, well let me tell you that you are not doing yourself any favours by your abusive posting in message 20 (although I don't expect for one minute that you will apologise) combined with the fact that you are still hiding behind your identity.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1872


Message Posted:
03/12/2007 14:57

i know i said i wont post on this subject again but this a message to lovingcyprus - tiggy - simbas - bradus - ilovecyprus

why are you even bothering to respond to such petty childish igneranus postings

i know what you guys are like and you want to find out how and why truth's story, but i dont think truth wants to just come out with it how he/she got ripped off so my advice to you guys just leave truth to post and answer to his/her own postings and we can carry on with the forum in peace and in less abusive fashion!!!!

regards

ukturk



p.s truth this subject would be more user friendly in you just coming out with your story about your dealings with unwins rather than beating around the bush and you being rude and abusive to other posters who have been on this forum much longer than you and are respected with the other posters on this site!!!!

dodger



Joined: 29/07/2007
Posts: 1033


Message Posted:
03/12/2007 18:34

I knew you wouldnt be able to keep quiet erkan,good on ya,truth needs to come on and set the record straight regarding the unwins perhaps if we all stopped posting he/she may do that.

lovelife


Joined: 07/07/2007
Posts: 181


Message Posted:
03/12/2007 19:36

Thruth



It is not only Unwins you have an active dilike to, but from the postings I have read today are you one of the many Aga buyers who were ripped off by the builder himself and Unwins were the marketing agents for this infamous builder.?



Now have I not read that there is some sort of package now being agreed for these buyers, I am well aware that it is only goes a short way to make up for the misery and heartache that people have suffered. but if this package comes off, and I sincerely hope it does, then hopefully people may at last get their

properties. Do correct me if I am wrong.

As others have written, people on this forum (as far as I am aware) have not written any abusive replies to you, kindly afford them the same courtesy.

truth


Joined: 05/11/2007
Posts: 24


Message Posted:
04/12/2007 09:40

We were told by a reliable trusted government source they would not be able to trade after 17th November, unless they put things right -

They are still trading . Money talks.

truth


Joined: 05/11/2007
Posts: 24


Message Posted:
04/12/2007 09:45

But it appears that there are cases of wrongly described property being referred to the Property Complaints section of the Property Information Office which concern a specific Estate Agent who may or may not have been registered despite this. But unfortunately the government's alleged transparency breaks down here because the list is not publicly available to be checked. OK, you can phone and be given a verbal answer but past experience is that answers can change and if you have made decisions based upon that answer, and go back to complain, where is your evidence that you haven't misheard? Not very professional is it?

ilovecyprus



Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 1148


Message Posted:
04/12/2007 09:47

Thanks truth

Who specifically was the government source?

What specifically were they asked to do? What have they done and what haven't they done?

truth


Joined: 05/11/2007
Posts: 24


Message Posted:
04/12/2007 09:50

In theory, if the estate agent is still trading then the government takes responsibility for monitoring that it is following its new Estate Agents Laws. This should mean that the gobbledegook contained in that law should lead to prosecution if, say, an estate agent (or their employee if vicarious liability applies here) wrongly describes the property they are buying - and you cant get your money back - like hundreds of us - because you are stuffed and have no recourse. This applies to Unwin Estates. YOU CAN NOT GET YOUR MONEY BACK

truth


Joined: 05/11/2007
Posts: 24


Message Posted:
04/12/2007 10:00

Unwins are a casino with TRNC government approval.

ilovecyprus



Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 1148


Message Posted:
04/12/2007 10:03

truth

When was it put in to place?

Does the law have provision to backdate cases or is it only for new cases ?

Have Unwins broken the law since the law was passed?



What specifically do you want people to do this forum in regard to this matter?

ilovecyprus



Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 1148


Message Posted:
04/12/2007 10:04

on this forum

DONTY


Joined: 07/06/2007
Posts: 138


Message Posted:
04/12/2007 11:01

what happens when a builder lies to an agent about a development (as aga developments did to unwins) who is to blame?



i have no love for unwins but they cannot be held responsible for what AGA did.

AGA gave the Amaranta site plan to unwins with X amount of units on it and AGA had another plan with X + Y units. when unwins found this out they told all of their staff to stop selling the product. it was AGA that ran off to Thailand with the cash not unwins.



why have you directed all of your anger at the agent when your builder shafted everyone? are you not shooting the messenger?

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1872


Message Posted:
04/12/2007 12:37

hi guys

finally we are getting somewhere

me knowing how the market works in turkey and in north cyprus and donty you will prob agree most of all brits that buy properties always blame the monkey and not the organ grinder, this due to the agent being the first point of contact, people have to wake up and do their homework that the agent are simply the middle men providing a go between the buyer and the developer

the agent has to have some sort of morales or have some sort of understanding who they are selling their properties for but some are blinded by the extra bonuses that these developers give, at its about time that these agents start to think and try to protect the interests of the buyers and not just the sellers even thou they get their commision from the seller, and if this happens then the housing market can start to flourish once again aswell as good publicity for north cyprus

regards to all

ukturk



p.s im sorry to say thou all unwins and other agents that fall in to this catergory are guilty of is being naive and not professinal and carefull on whos properties they are selling, so come on agents wake up because all you are losing is your reputation and maybe a bit of buisness, where the normal person is losing their hard earned life savings which i feel sorry for the most because they put their full trust in to these people (sometimes a bit naive too)

Emre161104


Joined: 26/11/2007
Posts: 17


Message Posted:
04/12/2007 12:48

IMPORTANT INFORMATION 27th November 2007

Good Morning,



May I bring to your notice both that according to the announcement made by the Interior Ministry Under Secretary Hasan Findik yesterday, the New Estate Agents Law will come into operation as from 2nd of January 2008 and that until this date, both the new and old procedure on property sale will be applicable. After the 2nd of January 2008, the old procedure on selling property will cease and that only the new procedure will be applicable.



The main requirement of the new Estate Agent Law is that, no property will be sold/transferred (except between the 1st degree of relatives) without a registered Estate Agent and every property sold will be registered with the Land Registry Office by a registered Estate Agent.



The other main requirements of the Estate Agents Law are below.



a. No property can be sold if their is a mortgage or any other impediment on the land without the knowledge and consent of the buyer.

b. Every sale agreement will be prepared /presented by an Advocate. (Solicitor) and that the advocate who prepared/presented the agreement will put his/her stamp on this Sale Agreement.



c. An Estate Agent can charge between 3% to maximum 5% on each sale.

jessy


Joined: 04/12/2007
Posts: 70


Message Posted:
04/12/2007 18:36

Why on earth dont they make a law that no commission can be passed to the estate agent untill the property is completed and handed over to the purchaser like in england. Instead in north cyprus the minute you give them the first deposit they take their commission out and then dont take any responsibliity if a builder doesnt carry out the work.

Another thing i dont agree with is when you pay the estate agent any monies to be passed to your builder the estate agent puts it in their bank account for aleast a month if not 3 to gain the interest (which can be as much as 18%) before passing to the builder. This in itself causes the builder cash flow and delays with the building.

If unwins find a good builder these are properties they push in order to get a quick turnarround of properties. Kofali builders are one of these who complete to a good standard and in 9 months. He now has 8 sites all with happy customers.

DONTY


Joined: 07/06/2007
Posts: 138


Message Posted:
04/12/2007 18:56

in the uk, agents do take commission for new builds at contract stage. how can a business survive if they need to wait 2 years after spending money on advertising, phone calls, rent, wages etc?



dont send your money to your agent. always send it to your lawyer. a decent agent will not mind you doing this.

truth


Joined: 05/11/2007
Posts: 24


Message Posted:
05/12/2007 01:10

Jessy - you talk sense.

truth


Joined: 05/11/2007
Posts: 24


Message Posted:
05/12/2007 01:12

In theory, if the Estate Agent is still trading then the government takes responsibility for monitoring that it is following its new Estate Agents Laws. This should mean that the gobbledegook contained in that law should lead to prosecution if, say, an Estate Agent (or their employee if vicarious liability applies here) wrongly describes the property they are buying.

DONTY


Joined: 07/06/2007
Posts: 138


Message Posted:
05/12/2007 02:24

truth, jessy



when the agent has sold the property their job is done (other than aftersales such as photo updates etc) so why should they wait 2 years or so to get paid.



a factory worker who packages baked beans doesnt have to wait for the eventual buyer of said beans to pay for them in the shop before they get paid do they... its the same principle.

you have to get it in your head that your builder is the one you go into a contract with and in your case (if you are one of the Amaranta buyers) your beef should be with AGA. what part of AGA doing a runner is your agent responsible for?



the agent is there to repeat what the builder has told them about the development and cannot be held responsible for a builder who lies because they would have lied to the agent as well!



can you imaging the agent selling a site that the builder told them he wasnt going to finish - what would be the purpose? where is the gain for the agent? all they are going to do is get a bad name.

jessy


Joined: 04/12/2007
Posts: 70


Message Posted:
05/12/2007 12:20

So WHAT IS THE POINT OF AN ESTATE AGENT!!!! Anybody reading this and wishes to buy property ask people who live here who the good builders are and go straight to them and ask for a discount given the fact you have not gone with the agent (£3000) per property. Ask around and find a decent solicitor. Normally the Solicitor charges between £600 - £800 but we all seem to pay 1000 so where is the other £200 going straight to the agents not bad. Because once you have chosen your property the agent doesnt do anything else. so come on people DIY.

DONTY


Joined: 07/06/2007
Posts: 138


Message Posted:
05/12/2007 15:14

jessy



this is very basic really, its called marketing! you currently deal with the same type of middlemen in all of your transactions.

using your logic, why dont we all go to Heinz plc to buy our beans, whats the point of Tescos? why do film studios employ expensive actors rather than just getting the script writers to perform? lets go call the BMW factory in Germany to buy a car! im sure you can work it out.



agents are the shop window for developers. without an agent, often you would be dealing with someone who doesnt speak good english, has little sales ability and is unappealing to the eye (putting it politely) and therefore is unlikely to get his/her message across well enough for you to have confidence to buy.



the big guys do now have trained sales staff which is good for some buyers but others need to be shown what is what. all power to you if you can go direct.

truth


Joined: 05/11/2007
Posts: 24


Message Posted:
06/12/2007 00:57

Aga and Unwin estates were in cahoots from day one. Unwin marketed fresh air, he knew it would never happen. Clever.

If they are innocent, which I doubt, why not

re-emburse the commissions taken ?

Kibris


Joined: 07/11/2007
Posts: 41


Message Posted:
06/12/2007 07:38

Truth you make some strong accusations, do you have any proof to back up your claims?.... Did you buy an Aga property?

DONTY


Joined: 07/06/2007
Posts: 138


Message Posted:
06/12/2007 09:43

So truth



explain why ANYONE would sell something that isnt going to happen, all they gain is problems?



if you buy a BMW and it blows up do you blame the salesperson for conning you? no of course not as it was BMWs fault.



im sad you were stung but for christs sake get some therapy as this is not good for you. while you at it get a book on basic economics and learn how the world runs as your naive outlook will follow you throughout your life.



your beef should be with AGA and Mr Robb but not once have you mentioned them. with this attitude you will never get anything back as you are gunning for the wrong people (same as trncpropertywarning).

in fact victoria if you are reading this, please remove my post from you website as i object to it. i cant believe you are using the poisoning of animals to put people off of buying here (this is no different to propoganda Greek Cypriots use to put people off of TRNC). i have read in british papers of kids tying fireworks to cats! ****ing disgusting! so dont buy there.



victoria why not start a website warning people of the dangers of living in Britain as they have peadophiles, robbers, muggers, drug addicts, conmen, corruption, pollution etc etc etc etc!

victoriasloss


Joined: 27/04/2007
Posts: 72


Message Posted:
06/12/2007 10:18

Donty



I asked in a very polite manner as to whether I could put your post on the forum as it was an excellent posting and as you have requsted I will remove it. The website is accessed and things posted on it by many people here in the UK and if some feel strongly enough to post about poisoning animals then so be it. The site is not run by a control freak who moderates what is put on and the UK is a democracy. If a fellow Brit who has the password (of which there is about 15 of us now) wishes to post something so long as its legal and or has documentation to back up the case then it will be posted. The website is not wholly about AGA but also Victoria Homes and soon to be featured 2 others, we are just awaiting documentation. As regards "Truth" - If you have a beef with them - then take it up with them - it appears that this person is taking quotes from many websites and posting them - ours included.



When we are seen to have been shown some justice in the form of a sensible "solution" then the website will show as such - but until then the website will be open to ALL who wish to post on it - no matter how bad a taste it leaves in the mouth of the TRNC.



We have tried to get a copy of the Estate Agent List so that we can post it - this would we hope give some sort of safeguard and a line to follow for possiible investors - but we are told that the list is not for public eyes "Secret" -Do you think that this is the transparency that the government are looking for - no its not - its the usual mind game playing by those in the "circle of corruption" that surround the TRNC.



The British High Commision Lawyer list being published on the website resulted in a number of emails from those lawyers not on the list threatening legal action - WHAT UTTER BUNKUM FROM SO CALLED PROFESSIONALS - For heavens sake there must be a reason they are not on the list.



The whole place is looking for someone to blame for the downturn in economy - before looking to blame us (who only put the problems in black and white and make it public to the "World Community") - best they look to themselves and sort out the causes first - the place is rife with Mordida & Corrupción and its us and those that follow us that suffer the consequences!

DONTY


Joined: 07/06/2007
Posts: 138


Message Posted:
06/12/2007 11:31

there no downturn for me!



i feel strongly about animal cruelty but would not use it to justify slandering a whole nation. we dont have labs here using animals to test chemicals as they do in britain so people in glass houses etc. do you march up and down outside these establishments or do you turn a blind eye to it as you like your lipstick too much??????



i politely said you could use my words but upon reading your site i dont want to be associated with your public kangaroo court.



if your website is about 2 or 3 developers why dont you bloody well say so rather than insinuating that this country is a den of theives? if i were in power i would bar you from ever entering as what you are doing amounts to economic sabotage, though i dont think too many people take much notice of you as your website is very obviously the work of bitter and misdirected people.



as i have said before, your approach is negative in the extreme and i dont see what you expect to achieve from your methods.



re the agent list: no one is going to help you with your approach.



re lawyers: the british high commission have very little to do with this side as far as i can see and tow the official line re supporting the TRNC which amounts to nothing.. so they are irrelevant to me.



when will we see your website warning people of the major problems with britain?

DONTY


Joined: 07/06/2007
Posts: 138


Message Posted:
06/12/2007 11:34

cmon truth



answer my post 48 or will you wait a while and post more drivel?



give yourself a slap (make it a hard one) as you may come to your senses and realise who is to blame!

victoriasloss


Joined: 27/04/2007
Posts: 72


Message Posted:
06/12/2007 11:41

I have no intention of getting into a "bunfight" with you Donty its a waste of useful energy. We are sorry if your business is suffering and we are sure that you are one of the "good guys" but perhaps the "good guys" should be seen to be lobbying against the scum !



The website will stay and in 2008 will increase in volume until a solution for us is found and delivered. That includes The Media, TV and Protesting. Strange as it may seem, we have also been joined by a large group of Turkish Cypriots here that have also been ripped off and conned by people in their own country - what does that say about the situation. It Stinks Donty and as the Greek Cypriots keep saying to us in their constant abusive emails (that we answer politely) "If you lie with dogs - you get fleas"

DONTY


Joined: 07/06/2007
Posts: 138


Message Posted:
06/12/2007 11:53

this year i hit my annual target in september and my target was raised more than 25% from the year before so please dont worry for me as things are going very very well.



by smashing north cyprus you will achieve nothing. this country is already slandered and smashed by the GCs yet people can see through the vitriol. people also realise that there are conmen in every society and britain is no exception. they even have tv programs about dodgy builders in the uk. do the government hand money to people who get fleeced in the UK.... no and they dont here either so wake up, smell the coffee and start trying something positive to get your money back as the TCs are well used to being called pariahs and it is water off of a ducks back to them after all these years.

victoriasloss


Joined: 27/04/2007
Posts: 72


Message Posted:
06/12/2007 12:21

What do you consider as" doing something positive" Donty - c'mon we are open to any idea that we have not already tried over the last 4 years



More than half a dozen of our "clan" have followed the TRNC legal system

and won, they have had judgements issued against the criminals, but cannot find a lawyer to enforce them - Why Donty - why will no lawyer enforce the judgements ?



We have all (everyone of us) followed the legal route as suggested by the BHC only to hit a brick wall in what appears to be a society that favours the criminal. There is not one lawyer in the TRNC willing to enforce these judgements that are signed by eminent judges - some of these judgements are nearly 3 years old and still the victims wait and the scum earn money - how much longer Donty do we have to wait ! Sorry the time for being nice and quiet like Brits are has now passed. We have plans for 2008 and these will start fall into place as the year progesses - look to those who created the problem in the first place - Look to the authorities "who stick their heads in the sand" whilst everything goes their way but as soon and the corrupción becomes apparent and for the world to see - start blaming everyone but themselves. We are glad that you are successful and we wish you the very best for 2008, but remember Donty there are many suffering here, there are some that are in danger of a 2008 house repossesion, some who no longer have a pension, some who have lost their life savings, there are some who have lost their health and even one who have lost their life !



So c'mon Donty - "Whats a positive move ?"

DONTY


Joined: 07/06/2007
Posts: 138


Message Posted:
07/12/2007 09:07

truth, jessy



have you got it yet?

truth


Joined: 05/11/2007
Posts: 24


Message Posted:
07/12/2007 21:39

A positive move would be to remember all that the chairman of the estate agents union said, last August over dinner and screw Unwin via mine hosts lawyer (no fee)

Kibris


Joined: 07/11/2007
Posts: 41


Message Posted:
08/12/2007 13:38

Truth did you buy an AGA property?

truth


Joined: 05/11/2007
Posts: 24


Message Posted:
10/12/2007 23:51

You sold the properties you should have records,

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 427


Message Posted:
11/12/2007 03:32

Look forward to another round of answer dodging later on today.

lovingcyprus


Joined: 02/03/2007
Posts: 459


Message Posted:
11/12/2007 17:02

victoriasloss



You seem to overlook the fact that Gordon Brown yes the now UK Prime Minister has screwed thousands out of their pensions.



Why don't you fight for those pensioners?

namus


Joined: 23/06/2007
Posts: 65


Message Posted:
12/12/2007 09:43

lovingcyprus, Victoriasloss's website is a forum to discuss corruption and misrepresentation in the property market in TRNC. Why is this a problem? Why should she start a website as a forum for the other ills on this planet.



It is not a comparison of who does the worst wrongdoing (step forward Bobbie Mugabe) but a discussion of the potential pitfalls of buying in TRNC.



As I have mentioned before, all the new born TRNC converts will be singing a different tune in a few years time and will be glad of reasonable voices such as victoriasloss.

victoriasloss


Joined: 27/04/2007
Posts: 72


Message Posted:
12/12/2007 15:02

Hi Peter



Erm, why would a property warning website mention UK Pensions ?



I will fight for pensioners when I am one - but there will not be a pension when I get to that age. lol



V

xxxxxxx

lovingcyprus


Joined: 02/03/2007
Posts: 459


Message Posted:
12/12/2007 15:52

victoriasloss



In your message 54 you mentioned that people no longer have a pension so I thought that you had an interest in pensions hence my comments.



Peter

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 169


Message Posted:
12/12/2007 21:42

Are you suggesting that victorialoss should fight for/against everything mentioned in message 54, , repossessions,ill health issues,the judiciary,banking , the Clan system,people losing there lives.

She wouldnt have time to run her own site! Oh dear ,just had a thought, that wouldn't be the idea would it?

Milou


Joined: 15/10/2007
Posts: 347


Message Posted:
13/12/2007 12:16

Victoriasloss



Tks. for sending me the link (trncprperty warning) - I have just managed to read some of the statements from people who have lost their properties, their health and in many cases, any chance of an affordable retirement. I am also sorry to hear about your husband's health and the difficulties you now face - you show great courage.



I would just disagree with one point. There's a list of recognised solicitors which are registered with the British Embassy in Nicosia. I don't see how they can recognise any organisation when the TRNC is not recognised by UK - I would rather think that it would be up to the TRNC government!



Kindest Regards

victoriasloss


Joined: 27/04/2007
Posts: 72


Message Posted:
13/12/2007 20:17

Hi Milou



we have just reproduced the list from the BHC website - in case some cannot find it - some may not even know it exists



xxxxxxx

ive@karsiyaka


Joined: 24/02/2008
Posts: 114


Message Posted:
15/03/2008 07:42