The United Nations

dodger



Joined: 29/07/2007
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Message Posted:
15/12/2007 12:53

Morning all,

Just been reading an article regarding a statement made by the u.n. were they mention a place calle strovilla,and say that "the turkish forces should restore there". Could anyone tell me what they mean by this and were strovilla is,

Regards,

Paul.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
15/12/2007 13:06

strovilla is a boundry point but where it is i have no idea

regards simbas

dodger



Joined: 29/07/2007
Posts: 1895

Message Posted:
15/12/2007 15:49

Thanks simbas,i assume the turkish forces must have been there at some point for the u.n. to say "restore there",anyone know were it is.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
15/12/2007 15:56

hi guys

the actual name is stovilia and is one of the crossings in the buffer zone it is located quite near famagusta in ayios nikolaos (which means saint nicholas)

and is also where the british sovereign base of dhekelia (dikelya in turkish) is based this base provides electronic warfare support to both the british armed forces and the u.n and is where the command posts are and covers around 50 square miles of land

the british have taken this land for themselves and comes under name the crowns land under the old british empire and the 1960 treaty with cyprus and this is legal they think, now whats kicking up a fuss is that under this treaty

that under the constitution britain are not allowed to points as follows



Not to develop the sovereign base areas for other than military purposes.

Not to set up and administer "colonies".

Not to create customs posts or other frontier barriers between the sovereign base areas and the republic.

Not to set up or permit the establishment of civilian commercial or industrial enterprises except that are connected with military requirements, and not otherwise to impair the economic commercial or industrial unity and life of the Island.

Not to establish commercial or civilian seaports or airports.

Not to allow new settlement of people in the Sovereign Base Areas other than for temporary purposes.

Not to expropriate private property within the Sovereign Base Areas except for military purposes on payment of fair compensation



but over the years the british have slowly but surley been breaking these rules i.e setting up colonies within its lands - new settlers staying residing not temporary basis, but no one can tell them otherwise because they work on their legal sysytem totaly independant from the turkish side or the greek side which is based on the laws of the colony of cyprus 1960

thats why the u.n are now saying that is would be better of to hand this land back to the turkish army firstly because it on turkish soil and secondaly it does not even serve a purpose for cyprus its actually there for intelligence covering the med and mid east countries and not to maintain peace in the country

i hope i did not go on too much and this explains everything for you

regards

erkan

dodger



Joined: 29/07/2007
Posts: 1895

Message Posted:
15/12/2007 20:51

Thanks for clearing that one up matey,was just curious as i had never heard of the place before.if you get chance have a read of the cyprus mail article regarding the statement from the u.n.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
16/12/2007 00:24

ok mate ill take a look

hope you have good wekend and you simbas im just looking forward to thursday long weeks rest cos it is kurban bayram which is a religious holiday where they cut the sheeps neck and let the blood run then they give out the meat to the less fortunate ones in the villiages not everyone does this but they still take the time off work that lasts till sun 23rd then its x-mas eve then go back to work on 27th you see mate being multi religious has its advantages

lol

regards

erkan

dodger



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Posts: 1895

Message Posted:
16/12/2007 13:50

Is this a muslim traditon erkan or is it also carred out by our friends from accross the border.Have you ever slit a sheeps throat or do you just watch.I understand there is also something called seker bayrami which takes place every 32 years or am i totally wrong here.If translated into english what would seker bayrami and kurban bayram mean.

Have a good holiday.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
16/12/2007 14:32

hi paul

this is a muslim tradition mate even thou not everyone in turkey and north cyprus wont go and slit a sheeps throat they still take the time of work

i have never and will cut a sheeps throat and i cant bear to watch even thou the animal does not suffer and is quite humaine

the seker bayram is translated in to sweet holiday or festivel and this dont take every 32 years lol it actually takes place after ramadan (the time where muslims fast) and the reason why it is called this is because kids go around to adults kiss their hand and in turn the adults give sweets to the kids

kurban bayram translates into sacrifice holiday or festivel

take care

regards mate

erkan

dodger



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Posts: 1895

Message Posted:
16/12/2007 15:11

Thanks Erkan,

Excuse my ignorance regarding the 32 year thing,but try this one.The word of "seker"means candy or sugar in turkish.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
16/12/2007 15:24

no probs mate its not ignorance you just did not know you are right

seker means sugar - candy - sweets - sucrose

but tatli means sweet aswell like in deserts or like if a child is sweet

regards

erkan