thay are talking about giving our homes to the greeks

thetruth


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 268

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 13:59

we must act now befor its to late,it looks like talat is talking about all non cypriots here losing there property in a deal with the south.we were safe as long as the government here looked after our interest,but now it looks as if we will be sold short and lose everything.all non cypriots need to group together now and plan what we need to do.

PIPIE


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 14:04

where does it state this information ?

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 14:17

Would you tell us where this information has come from?

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 14:26

msg 1 is that you pikey

brandy sour


Joined: 09/04/2008
Posts: 310

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 14:27

I wish people would not make a statement about stuff that concerns us all and when asked where did they here it from they disappear i find that so annoying.

OLDGIRL



Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 118

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 14:30

Message 1

Are you daft,or bored.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 14:33

Scaremongering again.

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 14:35

Reported in today's Cyprus today.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 14:35

Message 1. Shouldn't you have 'not' in front of your name?

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 14:36

I know thetruth hurts , but the silence is deafening !



Did you read it in the Paphos Property Gazette ?

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 14:37

"we must act now befor its to late" - so, whoever you may be, what exactly would you propose that people do?



OK, round-up the usual suspects!

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 14:39

See thread on TRNC Villa Owners BB

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 14:50

I suppose this is the source for message # 1: (click the URL): http://tinyurl.com/agd4mn

PIPIE


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 14:51

Can someone paste/copy the news article please ?

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 14:55

RE msg 14, PIPIE : (...) Can someone paste/copy the news article please ? (...)



===> Pipie, I just uploaded a scan of the article to my server - all you have to do to read the article is click the URL in my message # 13. Again: http://tinyurl.com/agd4mn



PS. Have a nice day!

PPS. To have a nice day you'd better *not* read the article... :-

thetruth


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 268

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 14:59

I am here dont worry,yes it is in the cyprus today.this is what i thought might happen in the meetings.the brits and others will be sold out for there own gain.we supported the tc here when we come and spent money on property and in there community now thay may side with the greek cypriots and leave us with nothing.as i said we need to form a group and get one of the cypriot groups or as many as we can to stand for us in the elections which are coming up soon.as a team we need to be together and help each other.things are being done behind our backs which we have no say until one day we will be asked to leave our homes.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 15:02

I think some of the above comments on message # 1 (not very well written by "thetruth", I admit that) are too rash and very unfair. Basically he/she was right, only the source of his knowledge was omitted.

PIPIE


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 15:16

Thanks Dutch Crusader , but can anyone see an agreement to these proposals i very much doubt it . not to worried , is anyone else ?

Stewart


Joined: 19/07/2008
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 15:24

Only property owned by foriegn nationals are to be given back?...no problem with all those without deeds....as these properties are still legally owned by TCs!!! lol

McSteviet



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1089

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 15:27

I really can't see that being a viable option. Why would NC want to agree to that.



There would be someting like 20,000 well P***ed off expats and all the aggro that would come with that. There would be riots, plus all the Turkish settlers told to go back. No way.



Mc

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 15:28

yep let them hang on to the deeds as long as they like not worried either pipie

fire starter


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Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 15:31

stewart

where did you get your source of info?

do you mean foreign nationals with exchange title deeds?

Stewart


Joined: 19/07/2008
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 15:32

Mac...not a viable option?, why would they agree.....for money of course!

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 16:02

Were people warned not to buy?

Did not the EU, ROC and Britain all along say "in the event of a solution purchasers risk losing property that belongs to GC's?

Was the Annan plan turned down by the GC population because the GC wanted to return to thier homes rather than receive exchange or compensation?



There was always going to be winners and losers and this government will look at the long term future of the island, safeguard their own people and themselves and use that brilliant cop out, supported by the rest of the world, "You bought knowing the possible consequences" to justify their actions.



All we can hope for is that legal address is also given to the non TC's that bought exchange land from a government that assurred everyone it was safe and legal.

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 16:05

Once the North is in the EU proper all TC's will become 100% EU citizens, just like most ex-pats here. Can you see the EU allowing discrimination against some EU citizens but not others?

All or nothing - that's what the EU's about.

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 16:13

Vaughan



The fact still remains that Greek Cypriots own quite a chunk of land in the north. In all the court cases heard at the ECHR the legal owner is still the refugee. Even in the Orams case the judge stated that the legal owner of the land is Mr Apolstolides the GC refugee.



A few years ago there was an interview on Sky news with Prime Minister Soyer. He stated that Turkey would guarantee any foreign ownership of land in the TRNC.

maybemike


Joined: 12/01/2009
Posts: 188

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 16:21

this island will never Reunifi hell will freeze over first











maybe

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 16:21

bradus and stubs

talk is cheap.

does anyone have a copy of the much talked about guarantee?

i have asked a few estate agents this and strangely enough nobody has a copy!

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 16:24

i will just ad that mr s has made loads of promises in the past.

did he keep all of them,no.

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 16:37

Fire Starter



I have a video of the interview.



Might put it on ebay

RickF64


Joined: 07/01/2009
Posts: 173

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 16:33

From what I can gather, Greek mainland and GC nationalists started this 'problem' yet there never seems any mention of their 'icomers' being shipped out. I do wonder how many TC's will be allowed to return their south Cyprus homes unimpeded.

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 16:55

Quote from the cyprus today article.



"Turkish Cypriots living on former Greek Cypriot property could fall foul of the return and compensation demands, but it is believed the most likely offer from Mr Christofias would be fo an exchange of land"



Agree with Vaughan in message 25, I can't see how it could be allowable that TC's occupying GC land would be allowed to exchange but foreigners in the same position (on exchange land) would not!!! As Vaughan says, can't see how the EU could allow this, it would have to be all people in that position, or nothing at all, unless the EU wants to endorse positive racial discrimination.

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 17:25

They have been talking for the last 50 years and it looks like they will be talking for a good many years in the future. Such news in Greek Cypriot press is not unusual. The Turkish Cypriots are not worried about their propaganda and the expats will have to get used to it as well.



If somebody built a house on a piece of land, the previous owner cannot come and claim it free of charge, no way. Anyway, I do not expect an agreement in the foreseable future.

ismet

Stewart


Joined: 19/07/2008
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 17:32

maybemike?......hell will freeze over? ......seems to be getting pretty cold to me!

thetruth


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 268

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 17:41

this is not propaganda from the south.this is what talet is talking about with that other cypriot leader.dutchcrusader why was it not very well writen.

BillyB


Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 436

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 17:46

Property sales have drastically reduced in the North and the South. Could it be the GC scare tactics to buy in the south instead. Everybody chillout.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 17:48

roc should never have been allowed to join eu until this was sorted out now they use the eu as a lever to stop turkey joining stating the cyprus issue agree with msg 25 we all have rights and we all bought in good faith you cant kick a british citizen out of britain so i dont think you can kick an eu citizen out of the eu and if they do join thats what our status will become

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 17:59

Whenever I talk with TC,s the general view is as Ismet says in mes 33.



As for running for the hills with your UK assets I would imagine the average Brit with a small plot is sitting on about £250/ £1500 of land, hardly a case for a massive counter claim against you ?

dobbo



Joined: 13/06/2007
Posts: 72

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 18:03

I think there will be a lot more reports like this, the truth is nobody knows what will happen. My personnel opinion is that it is propaganda, it is in the souths interest to deter anybody else from buying in the North, also this will be there starting position on the talks before any discussions.

However always knew it was a risky investment purchasing in the North could be big gains or big losses. I hope common sense prevails and reasonable compromises are made so that all sides come out of it with something Cypriots and non Cypriots.

Also if they did remove all non cypriots from there property who would ever invest there again.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 18:09

I'll answer myself......no it doesn't !



Sorry.

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 18:11

A lot of interesting posts, do i take it then that the TRNC government are going to sell us all down the river the GC'S are going to move to the north serve 20,000 eviction notices and we all pack up lose everything and leave the island.

I dont think so, anyway where would we go the u.k. is full of illegal immigrants there is no room at the inn......

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 18:12

msg 36 have you seen the prices in the south thats why they dont want people buying in the north theyll loose all the tourism all about money my friend nought to do with land that grew a few lemon trees as turtle says the land is worth jack shxt

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 18:13

I've just looked at the article as shown on the link provided by Dutch.



The first paragraph starts by saying .."The Greek Cypriot Government is believed to be proposing........"



Two key words here, BELIEVED AND PROPOSING.



The second paragraph starts off....."Reports in the Greek Cypriot press claim that...."



The Key word in this paragraph is CLAIM.



This is all conjecture - pure hype if you like. It's all about mind games. You will not be thrown out of your property.



Treat this article with the contempt it deserves.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 18:13

I wonder who the RoC consider to be their "illegal immigrants" ?

kibrissibel


Joined: 18/02/2008
Posts: 562

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 18:20

What about expats in the south who have bought TC Land? What about Larnaca airport and the greek mainlanders living in the south? Pot calling kettle!

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 18:33

msg 45 exactly but theyre in the eu now and they want it all again its pre 74 allover wont happen as no1doyen says its proposals and claims its probably all bullshxt to every body enjoy

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 18:44

No1 Doyen,

Hit the nail on the head sir, load of old bullocks all ifs and maybe . I am confident that common sense will prevail to much hearsay and paranoia for me

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 19:07

Sibel



there are laws in the south regards Turkish Cypriot owned property. Turkish Cypriots can claim it back and have a way of doing so.



Larnaca Airport is a public works project and can be done with compulsary purchase orders much like what will happen to the nearby village to Heathrow as they build a new runway.



Greek mainlanders, as EU citizens, are allowed to live anywhere within the EU which includes Cyprus.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 19:19

who did they compulsary purchase from

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 19:21

And without notification or consultation ?

Bigcheese


Joined: 12/01/2009
Posts: 51

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 19:25

I personally have a lot of TC friends who really want a solution. I cannot understand how you can want to live with people with this attitude. I do not think that Greek Cypriots will ever see Turkish Cypriots as equal and will never treat them with respect. They are constantly looking to stir up trouble and do the Turkish Cypriots down. I think the best solution is the status quo

stevemac


Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 99

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 19:31

stubs you are missing the point of what Sibel is saying. If the GC can demand that the expats and Turkish go home then why cant the TC demand the same of them! Theres plenty of expats and greeks in the south! And if they reunified (god forbid) then the North would come under EU anyway

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 19:34

msg 51 my man how right you are they just want to take it all for themselves

rowlo



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Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 19:40

msg 52 then we will be one big happy family lol

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 20:02

pike where are you???????? everyone seems to be going round in circles!!!!! NOBODY knows the outcome of the talks & at the end of the day it is a problem for the CYPRIOTS! if any expats are worried about there property on gc land thats all they can do is worry until a solution is finalised, after all the UK goverment did warn people about buying in the north of Cyprus!! the expats in the south of the island are sitting pretty with or without there deeds due to bad developers! but at the end of the day they are the legitimate owners of the land & house however long it takes for them to get there deeds.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 20:06

Suzzane , don't spoil it leave Pikey were he is.

Things have settled down on here without him ?

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 20:30

Hi All,



There are 45000 Armed Turkish troops in The TRNC. They are not going anywhere, until they have the deal The TCs want The TRNC Government have issued thousands of Kocans on what they told us was exchange land. They would have committed an International fraud on a grand scale. There would be mayhem in the streets and The Courts would go into total meltdown for years to come.



When negotiating you always start of with outlandish demands, as a platform to negotiate from.



Cyprus is in the EEC. We are all EEC members .(Tcs and Brits)



Calm down and get the drinks in. Its going to be an interesting few months.



Any GCs reading this thread tonight will be off there heads with laughter.!



If Mr Talat wants me to pay my (discounted) Property transfer tax and Vat on my purchase



(plus any other taxes) he had better start saying things I want to hear, and soon .He has



his civil servants wages and pensions to pay!



wynyardman

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 20:31

Blablabla, I'd consider getting a hearing test if I were you.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 20:33

blablabla info please or is it just blablabla

rowlo



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Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 20:36

well said wyn 100% agree with you

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 20:38

Spot on Wyn.

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 20:44

wyn

hello stranger



As i said NOBODY knows anything about the talks!!! i think you will be VERY surprised at the large amount of turkish troops that will be leaving VERY soon! mines a large

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 20:45

Ref msg58..and I quote



'If Mr Talat wants me to pay my (discounted) Property transfer tax and Vat on my purchase







(plus any other taxes) he had better start saying things I want to hear, and soon'



[PERSONAL COMMENT DELETED BY HAROLD2555]



None of us know for sure what will happen we can only give our opinions, I personally dont think this island will unify ever again, but we all must wait and see.





Plus I hardly think 1000's of kocans have been issued [PERSONAL COMMENT DELETED BY HAROLD2555]



[PLAY NICELY DEE HAROLD2555]

ian444


Joined: 14/01/2009
Posts: 71

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 20:59

just recieved Email from Unwins estate agents



STOP PRESS STOP PRESS STOP PRESS STOP PRESS



NOW IS THE TIME TO BUY IN NORTHERN CYPRUS. DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN THE TWO LEADERS ARE NOW AT AN ADVANCED STATE AND MANY EXPERTS BELIEVE A SOLUTION TO THE DECADES OLD CYPRUS PROBLEM IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER. ADD TO THIS THE POSITIVE STEPS BEING TAKEN BY THE GOVENMENT AND YOU CAN SEE NOW REALLY IS THE TIME TO BUY



I kid you not , what follows is a one page propaganda document , of which Geobbels would be proud.



Have they no shame or morals



Have they no shame

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 21:01

Stevemac re msg 52



I think you will find that it is not me who has missed the point. Greek Cypriots can not demand that EU passports holders quit the island. Legally the owners of the land is still the GC prior to 1974. This has been established in court in the ROC, UK and the ECHR. As Turkish mainlanders do not fall into the EU passport holder category then they will have to leave the island. I am sure they would be exceptions to this maybe if they are married to a Cypriot or born in Cyprus.



The difference between the north and the south is that in the south the selling of TC owned land is prohibited and there have been cases in the south of people being jailed for it. Many GC refugees were re-housed on TC land and have NO title deeds for the property on which they reside. TC's can claim land back in the south.

maybemike


Joined: 12/01/2009
Posts: 188

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 21:04

what will they do about laranca airport, pull it down lol or move the green line

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 21:07

Furthermore



Why for all these years do you think the foreign office has stated that buyer beware in the north and it is widely known that deeds for "Esdeger" land are not internationally recognised? The other thing is why is there a price difference between safe deeds like TC owned prior to 74 and Esdeger?



The other question which has to be asked is why does it take so long for the government to issue the deeds. The PTP system takes far too long. Even if you provide them with your police record why does it take years for them to issue the PTP. How much money is there outstanding in taxes which can not be collected due to the lack of PTP's? Please do not blame a lack of staff. There is something like 50% of the population are either civil servants or retired civil servants.

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 21:09

Mike



The owner of the land which Larnaca airport is built will be compensated. It is a public works project much like the expansion to Heathrow.

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 21:10

why do people keep going over the same thing? msg67 this has been disscussed numerous times, just sit back & wait for the solution i`m sure it won`t be long! then you will all know where you stand.....

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 21:15

The TC that owned land on which Larnaca airport was built has took his case before the ECHR's. They are discussing compensation now. It was compulsory purchased and therfore compensation will be paid.

maybemike


Joined: 12/01/2009
Posts: 188

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 21:16

mess 69 say he or she wants there land back, and dont want compensation, did anyone ask b4 they built surley they have all the records

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 21:21

Trouble is maybe, the GC government have made lots of land owned by TC's part of compulsory purchase orders. Underhanded...yes, but nontheless a legally secure way of obtaining land. Common to most countries.



This means even if the TC wanted his land returning they now have no "legal" requirement to do so. The TC is to get millions in compensation and rightly so!

maybemike


Joined: 12/01/2009
Posts: 188

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 21:21

and i thought they could have there land back, and compensation or is that only gc

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 21:24

Its land OR compensation for the pre 74 title owner......their choice.



Unless compulsory purchased then its compensation.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 21:28

so if the turkish goverment, compulsory purchased all the land the are claiming to be exchange land, then its only compo then.

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 21:30

bradus msg75, as i have said nobody knows the outcome! some tcs & gcs won`t even get there village back never mind there house or land! only time will tell the outcome of the solution.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 21:40

Well WHAT a lot of interesting comments this thread has produced..



Ismet, you "tinker", what's with the "former owner" bit ? msg 33



As I KEEP saying - I wish those with an "agenda" would stop "leaking" what is being discussed at these talks ..



I've always said that non-Cypriots would be "bottom of the pile" in any settlement, and IF these proposals were true, I note that all the main details I foresee for any settlement are on the table.



1/ TR "settlers"

2/ Property - a lease deal for a period of time for those occupying another's land / property - no mass movements.

3/ A period of time for GCs being prevented from a mass re -population of the "north"



*I* don't see anyone being "thrown out" - even expats will have time to "adjust" if they are "informed" that they are now( say) leaseholders.



I've always said GCs would accept a deal where they would "get back" their properties.. I don't think many of them would WANT to move back.. but a lease deal has "legs"..

KickingK


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 90

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 21:40

I think some people are talking out of their bottoms here!



Nobody knows the outcome here. I can't see the TRNC cutting off the hand that feeds them, namely the Brits. The GC's have been trying to take over the island for many years....................it hasn't happened yet!



We were always told not to trust the TC's, I am so glad we did and bought in the North. I know who I would rather trust.

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 21:52

mmmmmmmmm I was just about to call for your help here, when, lo and behold!



It's amazing how everyone becomes an expert in a couple of hours on a subject that has been open to speculation for years.



Rightly or wrongly, it's always going to be a case of "wait and see" - we could all be waiting for a long time yet!



Regards

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 21:57

Kicking K



Those running the TRNC have been biting off the hands that feed them for a long time. Price increases, lack of deeds, lack of building regulation etc etc.



I would like to know how you can substantiate your statement



"The GC's have been trying to take over the island for many years....................it hasn't happened yet! "

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 21:57

Stand firm!



Stop getting into a panic! This is not something to start loosing sleep about.



Lets be clear here. Turkish Cypriots who are on resident on previously GC owned land stay, UK or foreign owners don't.



OK. My apartment is on previously owned land by a GC now owned by a Turkish Cypriot. Charming chap. So I just sit tight, no kocan, no claim by a GC, no transfer tax at 3%, sorry 1.5%. No hassle.



INstead we are all EU citizens, we are all property owners in the new unified Republic, so why pick on me?



I think there could be lots of rich lawyers, both north and south. Or maybe not.



These are the opening moves in a very levantine game of Cyprus reunification.



It will most likely end in failure, the EU should have insisted on a settlement of Cyprus before entry.



They didn't and they blew it. They know that now and they know how much the ROC has caused with the problem of Turkey's entry into the EU.



Believe me, the ROC are going to have to face some harsh political truths if the EU decides it is in its best interest to admit Turkey, and that includes the land issue.



The ROC may rue the day it decided to use the EU to further its political interests, especially if there is now a big boy on the block who has more to offer.



This may not be re-assuring to those who have bought and live here on Exchange Land but its a long way to teatime.



Lem

Yvonne



Joined: 16/05/2008
Posts: 273

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 21:58

I agree The-Wicks,

We don't know how it will turn out. Being an optimist, I figure it will be sorted by the Government and we won't have to suffer (or minimally with some kind of small compensation). We just have to wait and see, there's no point in worrying about something we have no control over and don't know how it will turn out.

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 22:02

mm



For a long time both yourself and Eric have been saying about "Exchange" land however it is those with "exchange" land who are non Cypriot that are now worried.



Various courts have stated that the legal owner is the GC refugee.



It is people who have exchange land who keep mentioning Larnaca airport. There has not been a massive wholesale of TC land in the south unlike the north were GC land has been sold off.

KickingK


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 90

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 22:27

Stubs.......................I have obviously touched a nerve!



There will always be price increases wherever you buy.



We always went to the South for family holidays and looked at buying a property in the South, but the property prices rocketed. So friends advised us to visit the North, we took thier advice and have never looked back. When we tried to find the border at Nicosia we were told we couldn't cross to the North and received no help from the GC's, until a UN vehicle stopped and offered help, we were told by locals we would be shot if we crossed!



While over during the Summer, last year we visited Protaras, where we always stayed and couldn't believe how commercialised it has become. We won't be going back. We love the "North" and the "Locals" are very friendly.



What bit don't you understand about my comment, the "GC's trying to take over" or "it hasn't happened yet"!

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 22:37

take our houses, don't believe a word.

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 22:43

Kicking K



It is not just the price increases. Have a look around at the building regulation or lack of, lack of infrastructure, why do we have to pay for residency, why is there a 3 tier pricing system, why are title deeds not being issued to ex-pats.



A lot of the price increases are due to increases in taxes. There is very little clarity on how much tax one should pay on a car. It changes on which customs officer you speak to you and what mood they are in.



Who is biting which hand?



When have GC's tried to take over the island?

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 22:46

Since 1960

daveb


Joined: 06/11/2008
Posts: 52

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 22:57

msg 87



when have the greeks ever tried to take over the whole island.

er always.



db

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 23:07

Hiya Lem re msg 82



I see you are "at it", now.. ;)



viz



"Lets be clear here. Turkish Cypriots who are on resident on previously GC owned land stay, UK or foreign owners don't.







OK. My apartment is on previously owned land by a GC now owned by a Turkish Cypriot. Charming chap. So I just sit tight, no kocan, no claim by a GC, no transfer tax at 3%, sorry 1.5%. No hassle. "



Yep, let's be clear.. the ECHR has ruled that the GCs who were dispossessed/ ran away are STILL the owners . WHY do you ( and others) persist in referring to them as "former owners".... ?!



"your" apartment is built on the GCs land.. you've been around the block long enough to know that..



You correctly say this is only the talks stage.. but you know I've ALWAYS said something along these lines would happen... IF talks could be held..



I really don't see that you would have to "move out".. you might just be a "tenant"..



"Stand firm" said the man sinking in quicksand... ?!

Mindy



Joined: 27/10/2008
Posts: 1210

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 23:08

Came across this snippet earlier from Estate Agents 'My Property' located in South Cyprus. It's dated 2004. This was published in 'TheTimes ' newspaper



'MY PROPERTY' recently received enquiries from 2 British couples wanting to sell thier properties in the North, and move to the South, not only were the implications of thier purchase becoming frightening, they had ben robbed several times, the electric and phone company took six months to connect thier services (lucky them) and they reported the quality of life was terrible. Hundreds of British families now living in the North allege they were hoodwinked into buying property there, many by crooked British fugitives who sought refuge in the breakaway state post 1974 and became involved in Real Estate.

However many knew full well the risks involved when they forked out the cash and never believed the Cyprus problem would be resolved.

Also 92% of land in North is owned by Greek Cypriots.

ECHR has ruled any property transactions

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 23:08

the GREEKS have never tried to take the whole island, the tcs & gcs ie CYPRIOTS!!! are the only ones this island belongs to the rest are guests or uninvited guests!!!! as is the case in the north of the island!

ian444


Joined: 14/01/2009
Posts: 71

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 23:09

Who is on the foreign property owner’s side?



Turkey does not give a dam



ROC does not give a dam but is wary of a powerful EU ally the UK with 20,000 citizens involved.



TRNC likes the foreign cash cow but the lure of the untold EU riches means they don’t give a dam



The British government have other things on their mind. They wont like the Sun's headlines about pensioners losing their homes. However the UK want a solution. The recent hardening of Foreign office advice on buying in the TRNC is in my view suspicious they know what is likely to happen. For what it is worth I asked Jack Straw myself today if he thought a solution was possible. He replied that was optimistic and believed the talks were progressing well.

Mindy



Joined: 27/10/2008
Posts: 1210

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 23:13

cont:

undertaken by by the authorities in tne North are illegal under International law.

Many potential buyers are listening and out of 2,500 properties recently built in North very few have been sold. PROPAGANDA or not

Mindy



Joined: 27/10/2008
Posts: 1210

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 23:18

oops ! sorry my continuation has jumped to message 94, not sure what I did wrong.

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 23:21

wynyardman,



"If Mr Talat wants me to pay my (discounted) Property transfer tax and Vat on my purchase (plus any other taxes) he had better start saying things I want to hear, and soon.



Aha - so you think you as a foreigner, with no equal rights in the TRNC, are in a position to tell the Turkish authorities what to do? Let me remind you of the first part of your message:



"There are 45000 Armed Turkish troops in The TRNC."



They will obviously be leaving in large numbers following a peace deal, but will be there JUST long enough to ensure freeloading outsiders don't put at risk a deal that would suit all Cypriots and pave the way for Turkey's EU aspirations.



It's never too late to face the cold, harsh reality...

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 23:21

You all have so many different views and I agree tere will be so many rich lawyers. The Gc will know the answers because this lot here wouldnt know the law if it smacked them full on. I guess maybe a trip to brussels to brush up on european law. Didnt Talat buy greek cyp land. Have you read todays cyprus today and see where the money is going. These people and expats pay so much into the G/c economy and the gamblers from greek side bring back about a quater. i quote this fromANDREW DSMORE mp for Hendon. THE TURKISH CYPRIOT ECONOMY IS VERY WEAK. IT IS FOUNDED ON CASINOS AND NIGHTCLUBS WITH A PROPERTY BOOM BASED ON GREEK CYPRIOT LAND THAT HAS COME TO A JUDDERING HALT

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 23:27

KickingK:



" I can't see the TRNC cutting off the hand that feeds them, namely the Brits."



The hand that feeds the TRNC is Turkey, not a few thousand mainly elderly expats. Turkey wants a peace deal between the Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots (paving the way for Turkey joining the EU) and has said so many, many times. Strangely, expats have never been mentioned...



Time for some people to wake up and start making plans.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 23:28

Food for thought! A purely hypothetical situation!



Say The reunification talks reached an agreement. As a result The TRNC ceases to exist.



In order that Turkey and The TRNC Government are not accused of an International fraud by issuing worthless Kokans, Turkey agrees to redeem any TRNC Kochans issued at cost (what was paid), to coincide with the countries new status.



1 Nobody who has built on GC land makes a profit.



2 Everyone gets fully reimbursed.



3 Lots of cheap social housing becomes available



4 With the rise in property values as a result of the two sides unifying. Turkey would stand to make millions.



5 Door is open for a fair Exchange of land between North and South.



Brits who had been told by their Government that investment on former Greek land in the TRNC was risky, could not really complain.



Interesting thought!



wyn

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 23:31

Mark old boy, delighted to hear from you. Always a pleasure.



"Stand firm!" Sorry, trying to get the windy BB masses to form ranks in the face of adversity.



Yes, I've been around the block a few times regarding owning land in the TRNC, as have you, do you remember our discussion about us ex-pats owning land in the north, at Mambo's that historic night?



Forget the legalities, a political deal will be done on the land issue, there is no other way.



Whether the present occupiers of the land in question (Is that alright) get to retain it either with compensation paid to the owners or restoration, unless still unoccupied, is going to be very messy.



Not only that, many of the owners are now dead, the deeds are lost, and the land registry in South Cyprus has also been singularly inventive in recording ownership of properties in the north, especially with "church" land and the whole thing is a dire can of worms which will take some unravelling.



Take care old friend,



Lem

ian444


Joined: 14/01/2009
Posts: 71

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 23:33

Message 93

The UK, Turkey, ROC and the TRNC will sell the foreign property owners down the river I am afraid.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 23:34

Suzzane msg 92 I am so very very sorry I didn't realise I had to be invited to the island by.....................the greek cypriots ?

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 23:42

turtle

where did i say you could be invited by the gcs? i said "the island BELONGS to ALL CYPRIOTS" after all it is there island.

Yvonne



Joined: 16/05/2008
Posts: 273

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 23:46

I agree that the Island belongs to all Cypriots, but I have a Cypriot friend (Turkish Cypriot). His family lived in Paphos and had to move to the North in the '70s. He is now anti-'Greek' Cypriots. I think it's a very passionate argument with n the 'Cypriot' community. I confess that I don't know alot about it, but the only answer we will get is the one we get. We can suppose, or guess, but it's futile... In my opinion. We have to wait.

Thanks, Y

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 23:49

Hiya Lem re msg 100



Thanks for understanding me as well as if we were propping up the bar ! ;)



When a GC land / property owner dies, the title passes on to those intended in his / her will... their passing away changes nought, legally.



OF COURSE, it's going to be "messy" - but massive ethnic cleansing by either side can't be "rewarded"... the passage of time shouldn't be an excuse. I really don't see a huge need to repatriate mainland Turks, either . A deal should be done to allow a long time to pass before a "lease" expires - with the possibility to "renew".



Any deal could be more about "principles" ( it's our land but you can stay for now) rather than renewed heartache.



Cyprus really is a very small island and not THAT much time has passed to settle "irregularities" in Land Registry records.



Always got time for you .. regards to the Family



Mark

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 23:50

Macha Msg96,



Thats all a bit heavy isnt it.? Not even the UK government collect taxes with the Army.....yet!



Never heard the saying that you cant get blood out of a stone!



wyn

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 23:51

Suzzane you said in your post "uninvited guests" I take that to mean ME and people like me.

Are you Cypriot by any chance ?

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
24/01/2009 23:58

turtle

"univited guests" means turkish settlers!!! everyone else is a guest if there not cypriot, as an australian would be in the uk if they had bought a holiday home or retirement home. dont be so touchy

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 00:10

Suzz, lets speak English shall we if "uninvited guests" means "turkish settlers" then say "turkish settlers" then we have no confusion ?



How many Greeks have settled in the south since 74 or is this acceptable or are these "uninvited guests".



Are you Cypriot or not by the way ?

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 00:13

not many greeks have come to live here unless they are married to a cypriot, you will be surprised to know that the majority of cypriots me included! don`t like the greeks! very arrogant race!

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 00:29

Turtle re msg 109/ "juliet" 110



Turtle the GCs often call the Greeks "Poofs who still write with Quill pens".. and the Greeks refer to them as the Arabs who wear shoes...



"Juliet" I think Turtle might think "LOADS" of Greeks settled in Cyprus.. He needs to know that the Greek Army contingent might number max 2k - ( approx a 20th of TR's) and the main "Greek" settlers were Pontians ( Mediterranean Russian speaking folk of Greek heritage - who never forgot their Greek roots) . Greece offered them the right to leave the "mess" that was the breaking up USSR - in the same way Germany offered folk of German descent German passports.



Sadly, the Pontians aren't much more popular than the Greeks - some are "responsible" for crime, but I found them to be hard working and appreciative of my attempts to communicate in Russian.



"Juliet" as you hear so many daft things said about GCs, I was "disappointed" to hear you being so dismissive of Greeks..may be GCs and Turks have more in comm

wackyjim



Joined: 04/06/2007
Posts: 760

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 00:37

A problem is a problem only when it becomes one....So why are we all looking to solve a problem when quite frankly its not there yet and in any case if and when the problem does come there will be absolutely bugger all we can do about it anyway



In the meantime lets just chill and enjoy...I certainly have no problem with that

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 00:37

mmmmm

i said a majority don`t like the greek race, most think they are wonderful! i will stick to likeing all cypriots

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 00:51

Suzzane I am a little confused.....you said



"mmmmm

i said a majority don`t like the greek race, most think they are wonderful! "



Contradictive eh !

tonyhickey



Joined: 13/06/2007
Posts: 413

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 02:04

Should I buy white goods for the apartment are wait to see if the new guy has is own

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 02:07

For what it's worth - probably not very much - I worked for a Greek shipping company - cruise line - many years ago in the City of London. The employees -not us minions who did the typing and got the lunches - were mainly from Athens. We had a young office junior who started work there, he was a Greek Cypriot, who obviously spoke Greek. He "dared" to address one of the Athenians in what was considered a "disrespectful" way, i.e.casual way and was condemned. My Greek at that time was non-existent - it's little better now, but when I queried the Greek's chap's response, he said "He's a Cypriot, not a Greek". I met the same type of response about "Turks" and "Cypriots" when I first visited TRNC many years age. So, Cypriots are Cypriots - yes/no?

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 09:36

ian444



your msg 101



"The UK, Turkey, ROC and the TRNC will sell the foreign property owners down the river I am afraid."



The one you left out there was the EU. As I said before, once TRNC is in EU proper the whole island will be in the EU (I know it is now, technically) , and EU citizens/states can not discriminate against other EU citizens. So to say this EU citizen (TC) can stay but this EU citizen (EU ex-pat) must go is a non-starter. We may be, as mmmmmmmmm says, at the bottom of the pile as far as Cypriots are concerned, but the EU could never condone it, and all Cypriots will be directed by the EU in the eventuality of a solution.

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 10:35

the wicks

yes to your question!

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 10:45

Hi "TRNC" Vaughan re msg 117



I think you may have more in common with the departed Tassos Liealotopoulos than you know.. ;)



HE told the GCs that the Annan Plan should be rejected and one put in it's place that would allow all EU citizens to live and work where they please. "EU norms".

His notion was GCs would win in the ECHR and they could move back to Kyrenia..

Naturally , as the (say) UK citizen was living on a GCs land - that would be "their" problem.. The EU can't and DOESN'T condone usurping of property through military force or threat thereof..

It will not matter if you are an EU citizen, or not, if you are living on land owned by someone else.

Now I don't see mass "expulsions"... I envisage a confirmation of true ownership with the family now living there having some sort of lease.. esp if they were displaced Cypriots.

Folk who bought more recently in Cyprus WILL figure down the queue, as they didn't have property BEFORE and weren't displaced.

Seems common sense to m

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 10:49

TRNCVaughan,



As usual very much to the point.



The EU are sponsering these talks between GCs and TCs, It is they that seek peace in



Cyprus which is after all part the Community. They have very deep pockets with which to oil



the wheels, once the negotiators have taken things as far as they can. I think at that time,



the point that you make, will be considered. If the EC like the agreement that Mr



Christophis and Mr Talat have negotiated, it will happen, within THEIR rules. After all we



are one big family!



My views, thats all,



wyn

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 10:55

wackyjim

My dear dad (now departed) always used to say to me 'why worry about what to do with the horse sh*t if you don't know whether the horse is going to drop it or not'

AJ

maybemike


Joined: 12/01/2009
Posts: 188

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 10:57

mmmmmmmmmmm



why did you leave, your mrs have to get a visa every month









maybe

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 10:58

Marky,



I think you may have missed the point Vaughan was making. I belive he is referring to the fact that in the Cyprus today aritcle it inferred that TC's 'may' be allowed to stay on GC land with exchange, compo or whatever, but non TC's won't. Vaughans point is that this sort of positve discrimination would not be allowed by the EU. You may well be right that brits on GC land may have to get out, but that would apply to TC's on that land too.



As regards your leasing idea... yeah I could live with that one.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 10:58

AJ,



I was just eating my bacon buttie.!...........Point taken though.



wyn

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 11:37

Thank you Milzer,



My point, exactly.

It is easy for GC's to discriminate (or say they will discriminate) at this stage in the "negotiations" and for us or the GC's to second guess what the TC's might or might not go along with. What mmmmmmmmmm and the like care not to acknowledge is that under EU legislation such GC discrimination would not be allowed and neither would the new EU/TC citizens be allowed to "go along with it".

All EU citizens stay or they all go and the TC's ain't going anywhere.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 11:38

Dear May be re msg 122



and the relevance to why we left is ?.... but it did relate to the "rump" RoC defying an EU Directive- preventing my Wife - and her son - being treated like EU citizens.



They have now said "sorry".. but that ain't good enough..:(

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 12:05

Wyn. Vaughan, Millzer,



You are wrong if you think the EU is going to support people who bought GC property and put loads of cash into the pot so that they can continue to own their holiday homes.

The TC's and GC's were displaced people so we can all see why they would take priority and Mr T rightly said this propblem would be solved by Cypriots for Cypriots.

The EU has made its stance clear.........DO NOT BUY GC PROPERTY. There is no discrimination you can't possibly compare the 2 cases.

Will the EU support those that have failed to follow UN and EU directives? I don't think so! Having said that I don't think there will be mass evictions but feel that most of us will end up with leashold property rather than freehold. Lets just hope its a long lease.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 12:12

RE msg 87, Stubs : (...) When have GC's tried to take over the island? (...)



===> I'll be pleased to give you a private lecture on the history of this island since - let's say - the past two hundred years. Or if you want to educate yourself: read some books about the Ottoman Turk rule of Cyprus (and the GC's), the British rule of Cyprus (and the GC's) and the fine cooperation ("like brothers") between GC's and TC's since the Brits gave up power in Cyprus.



In short: the Byzantines in Cyprus (now called Greek Cypriots or Cypriot Greeks) and their politically inspired so-called religious leaders have NEVER given up their efforts to control the island of Cyprus again since they lost it to the conquering Richard the Lionheart (1191).

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 12:24

re 128 Dear Hans,



I'd be interested to hear your version of those events, too - judging by how you see things in the present ;)



Can I come, to your "lecture", too?

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 12:24

Bradus,



As I understand it most people do not wish to be uprooted again. They are settled in new communities of their own making, with their friends, schools etc, and that is both TCs and GCs alike. So surely the majority want compensation and exchange land. Using the "exchange principle" as a base, would leave the majority where they wish to be. An individual "top up" pot of compensation, could handle exceptional cases.



The EC want a settlement, and are effectively sponsoring these talks. Surely they will wish to see " EC family rules applied. They have a history of applying "sweeteners" to ensure

compliance with community principles. I think TRNC Vaughan, was spot on.



As many have said we shall have to wait and see, but if this were the first posting on the thread, we would have no need of forums and BBs.



Of course given a referendum "the Cypriot people" may choose to walk away, but I do not think so this time. They appear to be drinking in the last chance saloo

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 12:33

Dear "TRNC" Vaughan and Milzer re 125 and 123



I acknowledge what you said, but I'm not missing the point .. YOU are ;) !..



Might I refer you AGAIN to Annan - it could be said that GCs were prevented from the EU right of freedom of movement - i.e. they couldn't settle back into many northern districts..



ANY plan must deal with the needs of those dispossessed first, and that naturally means newer arrivals will be down the queue.. it is common sense - not discrimination.



IF you want to apply "EU norms" then Tassos Papadopoulos was "right" . the GCs were correct to vote No to Annan..

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 12:38

Bradus,



Your msg 127.



I did not suggest for one moment that the EU would support anyone who had "...bought GC property.."

What I suggets is that the EU will not, under any circumstances, support any attempts to discriminate against any of its citizens by any of its other citizens/states. Any decision taken about who stays and who goes will apply to all EU citizens, be they TC, British, Dutch, German or any other EU national. You are right in stating that TC's and GC's were both displaced and that they must take priority but not at the expense of some rather than others. It is also not a matter of supporting anyone who has failed to heed either EU or UN advice or directives. It will be a matter of applying a remedy which is non-discriminatory.

jay76


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 532

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 12:56

For the trnc to give expat property back to gc's would that not mean the trnc government giving compensation because they allowed it all to happen in the first place.what a load of bo____ks its never gona happen.

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 13:06

How on earth can it be "discriminatory" to legally evict someone who has no right to be on your property? No matter their nationality it's up to the law-breaker to take care of themselves. The British government, EU, UN and more to the point the Turkish Cypriots will not for one moment support people who gambled on a dodgy holiday home, no questions asked, back of a lorry style.

jay76


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 532

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 13:09

never gona happen

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 13:10

msg 133



The TRNC won't exist by then and Turkey will tell foreigners to take a hike. TR is responsible for its own citizens and the TCs, not foreigners.



Would you expect someone to bail you out if you lost your shirt in a casino?

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 13:11

Msg134,



Macha.................is that you Pikey? This type of rhetoric has been missing for a while now!



wyn

jay76


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 532

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 13:15

So talat is breaking an eu law then surely

jesusjon



Joined: 03/08/2008
Posts: 93

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 13:16

Hi blablabla,re msg 57 ,As i flew out of Larnaca on 22nd dec i noticed a lot of new biuldings which looked a lot like a new terminal with docking facilities for the aircraft so maybe you dont need your hearing tested lol,I wonder if the biuldings are on t.c. land mmm.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 13:43

Dear Jesusjon re 139



I can see your id is new to this board, but if you care to search before posting I'm sure you'll find that many members realise that I do not condone the usurping of one's land without compo ( if it is a public works project) or restitution.



It is quite WRONG to refuse to compensate a TC owner for land used to construct LCA, but WHY was it necessary to build an airport? ... Ah yes, the GCs "lost" the use of Nicosia Internatioal and Tymbou - now Ercan



Airports need flat areas with room for approaches - the Mesoria Plain is mainly in TR territory



There are UK landing strips and airports to avoid..







Lastly, I don't know if the new terminals are on TC land.. I do know that the Eastern end ( "Mackenzey Beach" ) was and that the new airport will be at the western end.. The runway will stay in the same place..



Hope this brief response helps..!

rowlo



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Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 13:43

msg 134 macha no chance

jesusjon



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Posts: 93

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 14:23

Dear mmmmmm,

Thats right the new biuldings are on the western end,yes i agree with what you say regards compo was just mainly pointing out to bla bla that he has been hearing correctly im not saying that they shouldnt be biulding it.Hopefully soon i will start flying into Ercan as the flights seem to be getting cheaper.Enjoy reading the Postings on the site but prefer not to get involved in heated discussions on subjects i dont know enough about but am learning all the time, and thanks for the reply.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 14:38

RE msg 129 : (...) re 128 Dear Hans, I'd be interested to hear your version of those events, too - judging by how you see things in the present ;) Can I come, to your "lecture", too? (...)



===> What would be the use for you to come, MM? Long playing records are not rewritable, are they?

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 14:56

Macha you wrote



How on earth can it be "discriminatory" to legally evict someone who has no right to be on your property? No matter their nationality it's up to the law-breaker to take care of themselves. The British government, EU, UN and more to the point the Turkish Cypriots will not for one moment support people who gambled on a dodgy holiday home, no questions asked, back of a lorry style.



Quite right

Eu law does not say its discrimanatory to evict people on GC land but it is discriminatory unless you evict ALL the people. You can't evict on race sex or religion. If I am evicted and my TC neighbour is not ,thats all I need.

I think its great, the case in Europe, now the ROC is fully committed to using the ECHR, they cant now pick and chose what laws and judgements they will obey

The judgement against Orams was not based on them being British,TC, GC or any other race.Being lawbreakers themselves, the tc propetry owners will be in the same dock

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 14:59

Message 134,



"How on earth can it be "discriminatory" to legally evict someone who has no right to be on your property?"



Absolutely agree, but it IS discriminatory if you allow two EU citizens, one an EU citizen of TC nationality and allowing him to stay GC land, and another EU citizen of another nationality being ordered to leave. If that discriminatory stance was applied it would be no different to staying that you can stay coz you are white caucasiun and you have to go coz you are a black african

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 15:03

Re msg 127



Bradus is 100% correct. It is well known that Esdeger deeds are not internationally recognised and proved in courts of law that the orignal owner is indeed the Greek Cypriot refugee. If someone has not taken heed of this advice and still bought exchange land it says more about them than it does about the Greek Cypriot refugee.



Non Cypriot purchasers of this land are not a priority in a settlement as they have knowing purchased something which did not belong to the seller.

Stubs


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Posts: 641

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 15:09

Hans re msg 128



Thanks for the offer Hans however i am well versed in Cyprus history. There are some others on this board who might want to do some more research on Cyprus history given there lack of understanding which is evident from their posts.

Perhaps you would like to offer your services to them?

gillken


Joined: 25/05/2008
Posts: 521

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 15:16

Hi



I have read all what is being said and think what happened 34 years ago was really tragic. But everyone needs to move on ..



I would be angry if I had lost my land, even to compulsory purchase!!

Mr Talat has stated that there would not be the need for negotiations if the North was not to be run separately.



So if 75% of land in the TRNC was owned to G Cypriots, they can simply go to court get the lands back with help from the EU as it has been stated the GC are the rightful owners,all 75% of the TRNC Land and hey would there be a TRNC left to run or to negotiate over??



I am sure Mr Talat is aware of this whilst he negotiates, If a little land is returned then this would not be fair on others whom owned land in the North either, none of this is fair, but what is the safest compromise.

ian444


Joined: 14/01/2009
Posts: 71

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 15:17

Message 117 TRNC vaughn



Yes totally agree the EU will be the foreign property owner’s best friend.



There are 20,000 citizens who they must take into account. They also have the political and financial muscle to bang heads together.



However the best case scenario of the Annan plan for the foreign owners i.e. keeping their land and paying a modest compensation to the original GC is now a non starter the EU will want a hand back of the land.

But I suspect they would appose a hand back plus compensation to the original GC as per Orans case as this will alienate 20,000 voters to say the least.



I suspect a hand back but long term leases say 25 years granted to the current tenants/ owners and maybe compensation for the improvements (i.e. building a villa) made to the land paid by the EU in one way or another.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 15:19

This article appears to sum things up nicely. What can anyone say other than what a mess!



http://trncvillaowners.phpbb3now.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5520

KickingK


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 90

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 17:52

Just read this on the "Frank & Joan.com" website:



"Lots of articles on the property situation and the Greek Cypriot are supposedly taking a hard line on ownership of land and waiting in the wings to pounce on any EU ruling on the Orams case. All of this is not surprising as both Presidents are about to start discussions on the property issue. What I find outstanding still is that there is no TRNC propaganda that tells the rest of the world and particularly to EU, that the world did not start here in 1974 and the original cause of the problem came from Greece and the South. A typical example of this is a speech made by the Greek Cypriot member of the EU at a dinner, where he described the Turkish army in Cyprus as an invasion force. For goodness sake, what did he expect Turkey to do, stand around and watch whilst their own people here where massacred. A huge propaganda opportunity for the Turks, which seems to be going begging."



"

rowlo



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Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 18:33

msg151 i wonder what would it be like if the turks hadnt stepped in to save its people greece would not be sitting round the eu tables they would be in turkeys position therefore the greeks would be the so called occupiors but the turks did step in to protect its people as any country in the world would do only difference is greeks ran away and cried wolf

fire starter


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Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 18:42

stubs re post 30.

i'm glad you kept the tape but who would ever trust what a polititan has to say?



elko,re post 33, many of our turkish cypriot friends are worried!



kickingk, re post 79, where have you been? turkey feeds the trnc not the brits!



dutch re post 128,

why is it you only tell a selective history of cyprus?

why don't you start from the begining? and the first ancient people of cyprus!



to be honest, lets face it, they have had your money now, what do they care?

cocos


Joined: 04/04/2008
Posts: 129

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 19:41

Turkey wont agree to sending their troops home or sending the turkish settlers home. If they do they wont have a strategic base here any more and will be surrounded by hostile sides and leave themselves vulnerable. Cant see them doing that

Happy Hussar


Joined: 01/10/2008
Posts: 318

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 22:19

We should get some indication of the 'Turkish Cypriot' position when the election results come in next month. Are they willing to hand back the TRNC to the Greek Cypriots. I dont think so. Far too much Turkish and Turkish Cypriot blood was spilt in 1974 and the nationalists would never allow it!

HH

AndyLynnW


Joined: 05/12/2008
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 22:35

I spoke to a Turkish National today who said that they (Turkey) would not give any land or concessions back to Greek Cypriots. There are several reasons for this but he was passionate about the number of lives lost in the 1974 conflict. We are pragmatic in that this was a conflict that we were not involved in as we were 11 years old at the time, and that it exists today, with the end result that we like TRNC and want to live part of our lives there. People might call us shallow but its the way of the jungle.

ian444


Joined: 14/01/2009
Posts: 71

Message Posted:
26/01/2009 01:09

Cocas message 154



Turkey is desperate to be a EU member. They will sacrifice the TRNC foreign property owners if required.



Turkey will never be vulnerable they have a large standing army and are NATO members. To attack Turkey is to attack the USA.

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
26/01/2009 01:31

Hey.



Steady in the ranks. Stop fretting.



Turkey is not desperate to join the EU!



This is a myth, they have just watched several major EU countries including the UK bomb in financial terms.



Cyprus cost them a lot in military pride, Turkey will not let it go on the promise of EU membership.



Would the UK give the Falklands back to Argentina after they invaded in 1982 for a promise of an EU membership subject to a vote of member countries.



Errrh! Trickey one, that.



Now get a grip!



Lem

ian444


Joined: 14/01/2009
Posts: 71

Message Posted:
26/01/2009 01:54

Hi Lemtich



I was at a meting of senior ministers and businessmen Oct last year in Ankara and they are desperate to join the EU. They believed they had fulfilled all requirements (not sure of the torture bit).

The belief is France is keeping them out for racial reasons.



Falklands is a complete red herring. Internationally it is UK territory and Britain has every right under law to keep it by force if necessary

MimoMar


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 150

Message Posted:
26/01/2009 08:13

This is all about MONEY. I'm afraid that sometimes, you have to fight fire with fire!



So, 10,000 interested parties @ £50.00 per month each (for 12 months):-



Month 1 - Deposited = £500,000 (Interest = £6,900) (18% less 8% tax)



Month 2 - Deposited = £500,000 Balance = £1,000,000 (Interest = £13,800) (18% less 8% tax)



Month 3 - Deposited = £500,000 Balance = £1,500,000 (Interest = £20,700) (18% less 8% tax)



Month 4 - Deposited = £500,000 Balance = £2,000,000 (Interest = £27,600) (18% less 8% tax)



Month 5 - Deposited = £500,000 Balance = £2,500,000 (Interest = £34,500) (18% less 8% tax)



Month 6 - Deposited = £500,000 Balance = £3,000,000 (Interest = £41,400) (18% less 8% tax)



Month 7 - Deposited = £500,000 Balance = £3,500,000 (Interest = £48,300) (18% less 8% tax)



Month 8 - Deposited = £500,000 Balance = £4,000,000 (Interest = £55,200) (18% less 8% tax)



Month 9 - Deposited = £500,000 Balance = £4,500,000 (Interest = £62,100) (18% less 8% tax)

MimoMar


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 150

Message Posted:
26/01/2009 08:13

Moderator - here is the 2nd part of the posting (just in case it didn't post correctly)



Month 10 - Deposited = £500,000 Balance = £5,000,000 (Interest = £69,000) (18% less 8% tax)



Month 11 - Deposited = £500,000 Balance = £5,500,000 (Interest = £75,900) (18% less 8% tax)



Month 12 - Deposited = £500,000 Balance = £6,000,000 (Interest = £82,800) (18% less 8% tax)



TOTAL INTEREST YEAR 1 = £538,200.00 THEREAFTER = £993,600 - E&OA



Quite a good fund for Lobying local MPs and employing a team of the best Barristers to defeat or, at the least, slow down the eventual outcome and when finished, everyone get's their money back. Unfortunate that the British could never make it happen!



Mimo

fire starter


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Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
26/01/2009 12:11

i wonder how many people would take their money back?

if it were offered.

Steve1953



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Posts: 298

Message Posted:
26/01/2009 12:47

Hi everyone,maybe I,m getting too old - but I agree with Lemtich - dont panic,Mr Mannering. Unification = SOME property problems but, It aint going to happen,possesion is 9/10ths of the law in any country. Talks will go on and on ..... like Ariston .... but I cannot see a conclusion that will not involve Turkey+ eu + maybe other cyps in London etc... but dont hold your breath,cheers to all,Steve

MimoMar


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 150

Message Posted:
26/01/2009 17:05

A question for mmmmmm......?



If you slapped a Policeman across the face in the North of Cyprus, what do you suppose would happen?



Mimo

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
26/01/2009 17:23

re 164 MimoMar



DAFT Question... The police can't cross the Green line... ;)

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 17:26

re msg 160 Mimo



What ever happened to the fighting fund set up a few years back? Loads of ppl forked out dosh then - I guess that must be worth a "lot of money, now"...

MimoMar


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 150

Message Posted:
26/01/2009 17:29

DAFT Answer... You should apply to the casting agents for the next Dr. Who... I have nothing against you... please have the guts to answer.



Mimo

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
26/01/2009 19:16

re 167 Mimomar



I answered your question - guts ( lack of, or not) have nothing to do with my answer.



I don't make a point of hitting Policemen anywhere - so the question is Daft in more ways than one.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
26/01/2009 21:43

Just a question, Are there GC,s out there that own property in the north with Turkish title if so what happens if someone buys this land/property because he has been advised to buy pre 74 land.



So what Im saying is if a Brit buys a pre 74 house but finds out its owned by a GC what happens ?

fire starter


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Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
26/01/2009 21:51

turtle

i know a tc who owns previously owned gc land.

but it was sold to his family before 1974.



don't worry turtle anyone who purchased a pre 74 turkish title property, or is thinking of doing so can check that it is what it says it is, at the roc landregistry.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
26/01/2009 21:55

Hi Turt,



Presumably he would have a free title, IF he can get his PTP and thereafter his Kocan.



What is your view?



wyn

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
26/01/2009 22:32

I may be thinking too deep but if someone bought pre 74 title recently which was owned by a GC who moved south in 74 who sold them the land and will it be legal or does the GC still own the land ?



Hope I am making sense.

blinky



Joined: 07/12/2008
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
26/01/2009 23:12

Purchasing Property



There are risks involved with purchasing property on the island of Cyprus. Many British nationals who buy property face problems due to misleading advertising, or because they do not have title deeds, or they have purchased off plan and the property has not been completed, or their property or neighbouring properties have been constructed illegally or taxes have been charged incorrectly. The process of achieving legal redress in Cyprus can be very protracted compared to the UK. You are strongly advised to proceed with caution and to seek qualified legal advice from a source that is independent from anyone else involved in the transaction, including the seller, before purchasing property anywhere in Cyprus. You should also note that the Cyprus legal system is not the same as that in the UK.



The ownership of many properties is disputed across the island, and particularly in northern Cyprus, with many thousands of claims to ownership of properties from people d

blinky



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Posts: 187

Message Posted:
26/01/2009 23:14

The ownership of many properties is disputed across the island, and particularly in northern Cyprus, with many thousands of claims to ownership of properties from people displaced during the events of 1974. Purchase of these properties could have serious financial and legal implications. The European Court of Human Rights has ruled in a number of cases that owners of property in northern Cyprus prior to 1974 should continue to be regarded as the legal owners of that property. Purchasers could face legal proceedings in the courts of the Republic of Cyprus, as well as attempts to enforce judgements from these courts elsewhere in the EU, including the UK. Potential purchasers should also consider that a future settlement could have consequences for property they purchase in Cyprus (including possible restitution of the property to its original owners).



The leaders of both communities have agreed to re-start settlement negotiations. Property issues will clearly form a key part of th

blinky



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Posts: 187

Message Posted:
26/01/2009 23:16

The leaders of both communities have agreed to re-start settlement negotiations. Property issues will clearly form a key part of those negotiations. Until those negotiations are concluded and a comprehensive settlement agreed, the issues and risks identified above will continue to apply and buyers should exercise due caution.



If you have purchased a property and are encountering difficulties, you should seek qualified independent legal advice on your rights and methods of redress. The foreign and commonwealth office does not offer legal advice or become involved with private property disputes, although we may be able to direct British nationals to organisations who may be able to help.



The website of the British High Commission in Nicosia contains information about purchasing property in Cyprus, including frequently asked questions, and information for people who are experiencing difficulties with a property purchase.

blinky



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Posts: 187

Message Posted:
26/01/2009 23:17

On 20 October 2006 a criminal code amendment relating to property came into effect. Under the amendment, buying, selling, renting, promoting or mortgaging a property without the permission of the owner (the person whose ownership is registered with the Republic of Cyprus Land Registry, including Greek Cypriots displaced from northern Cyprus in 1974), is a criminal offence. This also applies to agreeing to sell, buy or rent a property without the owner’s permission. The maximum prison sentence is seven years. Furthermore, the amendment to the law states that any attempt to undertake such a transaction is a criminal offence and could result in a prison sentence of up to 5 years. This law is not retrospective, so will not criminalise transactions that took place before 20 October 2006. Documents relating to the purchase of property in northern Cyprus will be presumed by the Cypriot authorities to relate to the illegal transfer of Greek Cypriot property and may be subject to confiscation.

blinky



Joined: 07/12/2008
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
26/01/2009 23:19

when crossing the Green Line. Anyone in possession of these documents may be asked to make a statement to the Cypriot authorities and may face criminal proceedings under the 20 October 2006 amendment. Any enquiries about the full implications and scope of this legislation should be made to the Republic of Cyprus High Commission in London.



Time share and property salespersons tout for business in Cyprus, especially in the Paphos area. You should read the fine print very carefully and seek legal advice before signing any kind of contract. Under Cyprus law, purchasers of time shares are entitled to a 15-day “cooling off” period during which they should receive a full refund of any money paid if they change their mind.



The Above is from home office

MimoMar


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 150

Message Posted:
26/01/2009 23:20

A question for mmmmmm......?







If someone slapped a Policeman across the face in the North of Cyprus, what do you suppose would happen?







Mimo

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
26/01/2009 23:31

Is there enough prisons to bang us all up for 7 years ?

Lemtich



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Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
26/01/2009 23:33

Thank you Blinky. Maybe a simple link posted to the relevant website may have saved a lot of cutting and pasting.



May I just add. A lot has been talked about legal rulings made in the ROC being the basis of action in the UK, say against a UK citizen who has bought in the TRNC but still has a property in the UK. Legal actions are risky and expensive and like the Orams, there are a lot of interested parties who would be prepared to fund a comprehensive defense against such actions.



Additionally, I might add, there is scope for restitution against the ROC for the loss of properties by TC's in the ROC, and before anyone jumps in and says they have been protected, there is more than enough evidence on the net to see the ruins of Turkish villages, demolished properties and in the Paphos area, blatant land seizure of TC land for holiday villas by GC's.



Pot and kettle and black spring to mind plus lots of money wasted on lawyers and futile land claims.



Be careful what you wish for, GC's.



Lem

Lemtich



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Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 00:46

Greetings Paliometoxo.



Can I ask you, do you have any Turkish Cypriot friends? Have you visited the TRNC? What do you know of the events in 1974 that led to the Turkish invasion of Cyprus?



I would welcome your views. Thank you again for contributing to this board.



Lem

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 01:33

re 179 MimoMar

I'm sure I answered this "daft" Q somewhere else and the answers the same !



re msg 181

Pot and kettle and black spring to mind plus lots of money wasted on lawyers and futile land claims. "



NOT what the ECHR have found so far, and let's not overlook that, my friend..



If GCs have been found to have called the kettle black - they according to RoC law can be fined and imprisoned.



If they can't get legal "satisfaction" within the RoC, a TC has the same rights as a TC.

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 01:42

to return to the original report, it is well worth bearing in mind

that the the greek cypriot government only

"proposed" xyz, and president talat "was prepared to discuss" etc etc



with the greatest of respect this really amounts to very little

if you chose to push expats out of north cyprus,

bang goes much of the north's economy

and er... since trnc deeds take so long to get hold of

(though maybe not as long as 20 years like in the roc)

legally the registered "owners" are still probably tcs/turks/israelis etc etc!



but that's a small problem compared to any "agreement"

relating to turkish settlers who have been moving here for 30 years:

far from being a mere "detail of history" as the gc government

would very much wish to believe:



by now they easily constitute the majority of the north's people

and are a darn' good reason turkey will never throw in the towel



sorry if I'm stating the bleedin' obvious...



andre

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 02:18

Andre re 185



I expect your post will be seized about by any RoC govt official pointing out "the "bleedin' obvious" .. TR moved in folk against all UN and HR initiatives re wars and subsequent ethnic cleansing.



THAT is why the "rump" RoC requires prove of parentage to obtain a RoC passport / ID card and why THEY say only those folk should be voting on referendums re Cyprus..



It is interesting that the "TRNC" "census" would suggest your assertion to be "incorrect"...

Al the Badger


Joined: 06/02/2008
Posts: 130

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 11:09

They would probably be doing me a favour taking it "back. Started in 2006 and fed up waiting !!

Marilyn


Joined: 29/08/2008
Posts: 52

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 11:25

Yes, everyone should be concerned about this report. But as many have said, this is the Greek's negotiating position in the talks. There is no way that Talat would agree to the proposal that all Turkish settlers are sent home, not to mention the frightening proposals for us Brits.

A more balanced view of the current situation can be seen at

http://www.wellestates.com/talat_christofias.htm

Perhaps the British Residents Society could approach Mr Talat.

Lol

Marilyn

Steve1953



Joined: 04/12/2008
Posts: 298

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 13:05

Dear Marilyn,interesting article.



Just checking out the Human Rights Act sections 9 and 9 for an emplyment case in the UK. Believe me this act is going to have major ramifications for all UK citizens - I would imagine this will include ex-pats.



Not sure about the greek land issue as this is a separate issue;but residents on 'other' land should be protected by the HR act .



Still hyperthetical until Turkey joins the eu - which it wont in the short term,then their citizens will be protected by the HR act..... so the property issue should resolve in time - maybe 20 years?

Kinsd regards,Steve

ian444


Joined: 14/01/2009
Posts: 71

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 14:06

message 187



very interesting article thank you Marilyn, especially the Paragraph on discrimination.



As I posted earlier of all the factions involved the EU could be the Foreign property owners best friend

jay76


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 532

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 14:12

Im all for it but dont forget well estates are estate agents

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 15:07

re msg 187 Marilyn



Hi Marilyn Could I remind you that this is not about "Greeks", they are Cypriots..



The link you gave us is not "balanced" at all .. viz... "While both men have a left of centre political background, Christofias is a self proclaimed communist and an admirer of Fidel Castro."



Christofias is one of many left of centre Politicians who move into the "real world" as they get older.. How many Labour MPS could this match?.. and how is it relevant?

"As Cyprus is now part of the EU, although EU law is suspended in the North, then any property settlement must take place within an EU legal framework. "



OK, so how was Annan acceptable - as any GCs could not go back ?!..Is refusal to allow EU citizens to settle where they like or use their homes within EU norms ?



I would not rely on this as a reliable reference.. "Lesliey" or his advisor's clearly haven't thought their reasoning through.

fire starter


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Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 16:53

hi palio are you the real deal?

regards rose

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 19:39

Msg 187:



"A more balanced view of the current situation can be seen at

http://www.wellestates.com/talat_christofias.htm"



How can that be "balanced" when it's an estate agent's sales blurb? Even though there are several thousand expats who are now counting the cost of gullibility and greed, just how daft do you take them for?

p4aul


Joined: 12/10/2007
Posts: 71

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 20:42

mark tells us:



OK, so how was Annan acceptable - as any GCs could not go back ?!..Is refusal to allow EU citizens to settle where they like or use their homes within EU norms ?



I would not rely on this as a reliable reference.. "Lesliey" or his advisor's clearly haven't thought their reasoning through.





the eu fully supported the A-plan





Commissioner Verheugen's Speech tells us:



I do not want to go into details about the Annan Plan at this stage; Alvaro de Soto will undertake this task. However, I would like to stress that the Annan Plan is in line with the fundamental principles on which the European Union is founded and that the viability and the economic sustainability have been strengthened. The finalized comprehensive settlement ensures that the United Cyprus Republic is able to speak with one voice in international fora and to fully participate in the EU's decision-making process, and that the acquis is properly applied and enforced on the island.

p4aul


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Posts: 71

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 20:43

http://www.europa-eu-un.org/articles/en/article_3394_en.htm



i like the bit that says:



I would like to stress that the Annan Plan is in line with the fundamental principles on which the European Union is founded



what do u thimk of that mark????

Harlequin


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Posts: 346

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 20:45

"Greeks"



Those people who live south of the border aren't Greek.

wynyardman



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Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 20:49

Harlequin,



I guess, its all Greek to me!



wyn

andre 514


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Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 21:43

msg 185: "mmmmmm"



I stand corrected!



the online census figures, if correct, and if the whole picture,

did appear to show that mainland people are a minority in the trnc,

although tcs I've spoken all seem to believe otherwise



nonetheless the point is just as valid:

you can't wish them away, they are surely increasing

relative to the "original" tc's...

and I'm certain turkey will stand by them



but why do you label south cyprus "the rump roc"?

according to many authorities it IS cyprus

or at least represents the whole island, well that's the theory



'course there really is a "rump roc"

completely unrecognised by the outside world yet amazingly prosperous

this is the so-called taiwan, republic of china (roc)

only problem for taiwan is THEIR big neighbour ain't friendly



andre