The Board Police

Hippo


Joined: 02/02/2007
Posts: 2070

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 11:59

As one of the founder members of this board, albeit not a regular poster I find the amount of moderation unacceptable.

Threads being censored, threads closed,authoritiarian attitudes applied.

I agree offensive and unprovoked insults between members are unacceptable but because sometimes threads evolve ,what is wrong with that.

The majority of people who post outlandish statements (myself would certainly be guilty of that) do so with a tounge firmly in the cheek.

Its all a bit of fun, remember you have a little switch its called the off button.

Nobody is forcing anybody to read them or respond.

So please can we have a little more liberal attitude?

McSteviet



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1089

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 12:04

Hippo,



Just because the word "Moderator" appears next to ones name, don't assume that every post made by that person is a moderation.



We are first and foremost, just ordinary members of this board and as such have opinions, just like you, so please remember that too.



Regards



Mc

Hippo


Joined: 02/02/2007
Posts: 2070

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 12:10

So is your post on the Pegasus thread as a moderator or a member? because unfortunatley I dont have a crystal ball

McSteviet



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1089

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 12:13

I don't intend to justify every post to you or anyone else, but I personally like to know what subject I'm gonna read about, thats why they have headings in my mind.



Mc

Hippo


Joined: 02/02/2007
Posts: 2070

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 12:17

So you dont accept that threads can evolve? you would like things very nicely parcelled and thier respective boxes?

Ok thats your opinion I respect that, but is that the wishes of all board members?

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 12:23

I agree Mc.....msg 4

Although threads can sometimes stray slightly off topic....because that is the nature of free conversation....if it becomes a totally different topic altogether then it needs to be put back on track.



If anyone wants to talk about Rugby ,or whatever....start another thread....it costs nothing !



I must admit that the format of the other "Friendly forum",does allow threads to be posted under appropriate sub-sections,so that anyone that IS interested can find things easier.

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 12:24

dare i say "who cares" ?



Nick

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 12:27

Hipps you have e-mail.

Nastynipper


Joined: 08/06/2008
Posts: 171

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 12:31

Hippo he reads not a lot



Nice guy is he but the rules he needs to read



On his soap box he has got



Although is heart is good now if he wanted to see



Rule Number 4 4. Respect The Moderators

Moderators have the final word. If you have a problem or a complaint, email Izzet off board. Do not post it on the board.

Moderators do not need to explain their actions. Do not complain about this.



he may well understand BUT WHEN HE JOINED HE DID NOT SEE THE DRACONIAN RULE NUMBER 12 as is below.



RULE 12. There is NO Account Cancellation

Once you join, you cannot cancel your membership.

Once you post, you cannot delete your post.

Do not join our forum, if you do not agree with this rule.



The numbers it does swell the coffers it does fill but does it sit well with members the nipper asks ?

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 12:33

That sounded like Yoda .

biker-babe


Joined: 30/12/2008
Posts: 75

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 12:35

you've got it right Nick.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 12:37

The Nipper has a point, but would an open democratic debate, be allowed?



wyn

Nastynipper


Joined: 08/06/2008
Posts: 171

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 12:42

Oh wyn the man



Debate and free speeech in the way of profit can step



Alas truth and freedom in dictatorships are lost



Power to the people as the man smithy said



Things may not be all they in the land of 44 forum.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 12:43

I just found out that text in messages cannot only be changed by the Webmaster (Izzet) and the Twelve Angry (wo)Men (Moderators) - but most probably also by board members advertised in threads as "Most Helpful Member".



Where does this interfering in someone's text - written by grown ups who are responsible for their own errors and behaviour - stop?!



PS. "Hippo" in message # 1 has my support.

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 12:49

Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men.

scruffdog


Joined: 09/12/2008
Posts: 742

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 12:58

When this board first opened, you could ask a serious question, and get a good answer, now if you ask a question, no answer, just members talking to each other. There are alot of people who do not live here and want to know a series of things relating to laws etc over here, but alas this now is not the site to use to get answers, been hijacked from other groups members.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 13:02

Macha Msg 15,



I have had two bans in the last 10 days. Have you?



Though how they can ban a member, that cannot resign his membership, is completely beyond my comprehension.



wyn

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 13:16

Hans

I am not an 'angry' moderator, have you e-mailed Izzet with your concerns before posting your questions on this board?

Here we go again!

I sometimes wonder why the members that criticize this board still hang around and keep posting. There are other boards that may suit your style of posting.

Life is too short to be angry about anything.

AJ

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 13:21

RE msg 17, wynyardman : (...) Though how they can ban a member, that cannot resign his membership, is completely beyond my comprehension. (...)



===> I think banning (temporarily or permanently) is allowed if this rule is announced before joining a(ny) bulletin board.



But I do also think it's against the law to forbid bulletin board members to resign, opt out or whatever you want to call it. This board is hosted by a British (English) Internet Service Provider. Interesting to find out if this "you cannot resign rule" is supported by the British (English) ISP, isn't it?

brandy sour


Joined: 09/04/2008
Posts: 310

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 13:24

Still a Moderator Alsancakjack.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 13:26

Hans

If you want to resign your membership of this board then I am willing to try and help you as you are obviously not happy being a member here.

AJ

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 13:29

RE msg 18, AlcansakJack : (...) I sometimes wonder why the members that criticize this board still hang around and keep posting. (...)



===> I'm afraid you confuse asking questions with criticizing here, AJ!



PS. What has happened to you?! I remember your style of messaging on another board, which wasn't quite so saintly then. And now - to me - you sometimes seem "holier than the Pope" (translated from a Dutch saying, I hope it still makes sense...).



PPS. Have a nice day!

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 13:29

Brandysour

Was that a question or a statement?

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 13:36

DC I also remember AJ's postings on another board & to be honest I do not see a change in style, what I do see is a reasonable amount of frustration caused by negative postings.

P

brandy sour


Joined: 09/04/2008
Posts: 310

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 13:41

It was a question because i have a good memory from before.





Thank you.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 13:47

Hans

I have not compromised on my way of posting and never will but as a member of this BB then firstly I try to impart information pertinent to the TRNC, secondly I try to uphold the TC way of life and support others that do likewise. Thirdly anyone that tries to detract me from doing that then I feel the right to challenge them. And fourthly because we have a small group of members that seem intent on disrupting this board from its main purpose then I reserve the right to uphold the BB aim. Should ever Izzet decide that I am overstepping my status as a moderator then I will stand down.

Hope that clears it up for you.

Take care

AJ

Harlequin


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 346

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 13:50

DutchCrusader



I'm confused again.



You say you were banned but not long ago there was this:



Karma ..is our destiny mapped out

To the unknown moderator of message # 15 : don't bother to "moderate" me again - I''ve left this board. Now.



Have you changed your mind or would it be your minds?

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 13:52

RE msg 21, AlsancakJack : (...) If you want to resign your membership of this board then I am willing to try and help you as you are obviously not happy being a member here. (...)



===> I'll remember the first part of your statement in case I'd like to resign one day. You may believe that I'm quite capable of deciding about that moment myself.



===> The second part of your statement is wrong. But I believe in extended debate to the extreme, where I draw the borders, including asking almost any question. However this may conflict with the view of one or more moderators and than I'm banned. I fully accept that.



Have a nice day, AJ!

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 13:55

brandy sour

Yes

AJ

Harlequin


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 346

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 13:55

It seems to me that, even though I indulge myself in it from time to time, this whole debate is a non-issue.



Anyone is free to start a bulletin board and make up thir own rules, however strange.

People are then free to view the posting, or join, or not and then post or not.



It matters not a jot that people can't "resign" by removing their name. If they don't want to play anymore then they can just stop posting and they will soon fade from the cybermemory of the other members.



It is not compulsory to do anything with this or any other bulletin board.

Harlequin


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 346

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 13:58

DutchCrusader



You did resign:



Karma ..is our destiny mapped out



To the unknown moderator of message # 15 : don't bother to "moderate" me again - I''ve left this board. Now.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 14:04

RE msg 27, Harlequin : (...) Have you changed your mind or would it be your minds? (...)



===> 1 : You *cannot* leave this board, Harlequin. 2 : When the dust came down I changed my mind. 3 : As far as I know the Moderator who angered me resigned from her status as "Moderator" - but at the time that was only a bonus for me... No hard feelings, I hope.



"And now for something completely different", as bad TV and radio news readers are often saying...



PS. Have a nice day!

Nastynipper


Joined: 08/06/2008
Posts: 171

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 14:08

Harlequin my feelow member



The truth you speak in you modest way



But up front and honets is the way to go



for every click a shekel earned alas we did not know



with the disruptive chap came lots of poo but to the front came one big issue



This forum for its members is for sure no edit no delete no spell check alas



Popular it is for every lad and lass why...



Moderation was self impose not from above respect was had for one and all



The hippo I am not moderation is ok dictatorship stinks



POWER TO THE PEOPLE citezen smith I would love to be.

Izzet



Joined: 01/12/2006
Posts: 920

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 14:15

Hippo - Glad to see another post by you

I will soon implement a feature where it will be obvious which mod edited what for what reason.

Although you say "Nobody is forcing anybody to read them or respond. ", it is a public forum where members are inclined to reply to posts all the time and when somebody finds something offensive, then the whole thread can go down very easily. As mods, we try our best to stop that from happening.



DutchCrusader - If you find a UK law on resign issue, pls let me know. I will definitely abide. But until then, this is my board and my rules apply. You are free to leave this board any time and not come back.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 14:19

Dear Harlequin



"It matters not a jot that people can't "resign" by removing their name. If they don't want to play anymore then they can just stop posting and they will soon fade from the cybermemory of the other members. "



ACTUALLY, technically you are completely wrong.. if Hans was pushed or shoved.. or even jumped, his posts remain searchable - via the net's search engines - and the replies to them - even if he can't subsequently respond.



Hans, you really need to "chill".. one minute it's "freedom of speech" and the next it's "get him banned" ..



Take the Wife and the dogs for a pleasant stroll - I'm off to indulge MY wife in retail therapy and we can all meet up later to put "the world right" .... ;)



Have a good one..

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 14:24

Hans

'The second part of your statement is wrong. But I believe in extended debate to the extreme, where I draw the borders, including asking almost any question. However this may conflict with the view of one or more moderators and than I'm banned. I fully accept that.'



I have no problem with educated debate as you are well aware but what I do have a problem is with the very small percentage of members that pick up on these debates and try to turn them into a verbal scrap. And believe me that does make it hard for moderators to 'police'.

I as well as other members and moderators of this board are only too happy to have your input to this board as you have experience and history that everyone can benefit from. But we should be working together and not against each other. It matters not about the rules of the board but if we have the same interest's at heart then where is the problem?

Take care

AJ

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 14:34

RE msg 36, AJ : (...) where is the problem? (...)



===> Nowhere!

Nastynipper


Joined: 08/06/2008
Posts: 171

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 14:36

Well this board breaches



Art. 10 - expression



Main article: Article 10 ECHR



Article 10 provides the right to freedom of expression, subject to certain restrictions that are "in accordance with law" and "necessary in a democratic society". This right includes the freedom to hold opinions, and to receive and impart information and ideas.



Why Read Rule 5

julie.andrews


Joined: 09/07/2008
Posts: 27

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 14:55

Re: msg 34:

"If you find a UK law on resign issue, pls let me know. I will definitely abide"



Universal Declaration in Human Rights, Article 20

"(2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association."

Ratified by the UK

http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html

Nastynipper


Joined: 08/06/2008
Posts: 171

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 15:13

there is also somthing on retrospective rules, whilst this aplies to laws it could be argued it also applies to memberships and their terms and conditions.

tonyhickey



Joined: 13/06/2007
Posts: 413

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 16:04

Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.

Winston Churchill

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 16:44

julie.andrews and Nastynipper

This is cyberspace get real. Do you not have anything positive to bring to this board?

AJ

AndyP



Joined: 18/04/2008
Posts: 517

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 17:19

Looks like just another excuse to bash the moderators again.



Perhaps we should all give it up for 1 month and wait for the "Where are the moderators" threads come back out again.



Why don't you all grow up and get a life!!

Harlequin


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 346

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 17:27

Well I never! So now someone is propagating the notion that on a bulletin board if one wanted to resign one should be able to delete all one's past postings. How truly silly.



The rules of the board are clear enough. You can't delete or amend your own posts. I would prefer that we could but if your concern is that in the event that some time in the future you may wish to resign and then can't remove all your old posts just don't post anything.



In the end it doesn't matter, it is just a bulletin board.



Just a thought. Imagine you were a member of a debating club, an MP or even in the Cabinet and you decided to resign, could you then demand that all your past utterances be removed from the minutes.

Nastynipper


Joined: 08/06/2008
Posts: 171

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 17:43

AlsancakJack as long as laws are obeyed yes, is there a problem with that ?

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 17:48

Absolutely I agree with you Nasty

But what the ECHR has got to do with it I just don't understand.

AJ

julie.andrews


Joined: 09/07/2008
Posts: 27

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 18:33

Mr Jack,

I am simply answering the question posed from Mr Izzet.

However, in response to you post, one can imagine the prosecution saying:

"M'lud, Mr Jack feels that retort within the confines of the so called cyberspace are rudimentary and outwith the confines of the law, one can imagine a similar argument being put by computer base pedophiles entering similar argument, but as we know M’Lud, the crime is considered to be committed in the domicile of the server"

If people are to abide by the rules of the board, the very least they can expect in return is for the board to operate within the rules of society.

And by the way, it's the 'UDHR'

Mrs Andrew

(I use the 's' only when singing)

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 19:04

julie

What ever you are on I want some.

Tell me who your chemist is.

AJ

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 19:08

This new rule is it for life (and beyond?) If a member dies for instance, is his/her membership to be terminated then?

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 19:21

RE msg 49, britvic : (...) This new rule is it for life (and beyond?) If a member dies for instance, is his/her membership to be terminated then? (...)



===> Maybe, perhaps... But to avoid this problem, you can have a will made (100 Sterling), so your children can claim the membership...

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 19:28

Harelequin...msg44....."In the end it doesn't matter, it is just a bulletin board. "



You got there before me !





If anyone is seriously worried about intellectual property rights,and leaving their pearls of wisdom on here in perpetuity,then don't post them in the first place.

Izzet



Joined: 01/12/2006
Posts: 920

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 20:13

If anyone thinks they can win a case because 12th forum rule is against the human rights, then please please please sue me!



I'd love to win the case.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 20:25

Know any good advocates in theTRNC then Izzet ?

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 21:08

Message 52 says it all really. What it actually means is ........

"I don't give a flying fig about you lot! You are nothing but YTL ££ to me.

I'm not listening, I can do what I like!"



In my honest opinion!

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 21:17

Britvic......vote with your feet.



How dare that monster Izzet think he can do what he likes on a forum he set up with his own money,and for which he charges nothing to join !

Izzet



Joined: 01/12/2006
Posts: 920

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 21:21

seriously britvic, with tons of hours i spent making cyprus44, i really didn't expect that comment. :/

julie.andrews


Joined: 09/07/2008
Posts: 27

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 21:31

Really Mr Izzet.

I am perplexed at your response.

This is indubitably is not a question of 'sueing' anyone, it is merely a matter of establishing ones credibility having made the statement that one would indeed abide by any UK laws, which have quite clearly been established.

It is clear that in albeit rather a crude fashion Mrs Britvic has the mark of you.

Regards

Mrs Andrew.



Oh, and Gerald assures me he would find you guilty, based on nothing more that has been stated above.

And I have to tell you this my dear as I do find the young of today somewhat amusing, Penelope (that's our youngest grand daughter, she is staying with us for the weekend), was listening in and shouted out 'bring it on Grandad'

Honestly, where do they get it from.



Must go, the Ronaldsons are popping round in a while for a game of bridge.

Izzet



Joined: 01/12/2006
Posts: 920

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 21:32

and the reason i posted Message 52 is because i totally find it stupid that people expect things to be taken care as if cyprus44 is a governing body or a paid organisation with public responsibilities. it's just a board i setup to help people. i don't have to satify anyone.

Izzet



Joined: 01/12/2006
Posts: 920

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 21:37

julie.andrews,



i cannot say welcome to you as my logs say you are the same person as:

brian24001



you said you are leaving this board, why did you come again?



btw, your existance is against the 1st rule.



izzet

Izzet



Joined: 01/12/2006
Posts: 920

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 21:42

Hippo, after reading this thread I hope you understand better now..

kenny



Joined: 26/05/2008
Posts: 405

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 21:43

Brian Andrews !

well spotted izzet

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 21:53

Izzet - strikes me that quite a lot of people state they are leaving the board only to return a short while later!

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 21:57

They can't keep away.

Maybe the grass wasn't greener?

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 22:15

Izzet, It appears you have the ability to see/spot multiple members (if thats the correct term) why not have a clear out and Im sure most of the problems will dissapear.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 22:46

britvic

'Message 52 says it all really. What it actually means is ........

"I don't give a flying fig about you lot! You are nothing but YTL ££ to me.

I'm not listening, I can do what I like!"

In my honest opinion! '



Obviously not your type of board then, I am sure you would feel more at home posting on Nige's board. Thanks anyway for your input to the board so far.

AJ

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 23:12

I really can't believe that people can bring in the subject of Human Rights!!!!!!



Get a life and think about what this term really means.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 23:21

infamy.....infamy ....they have all got it in for me .



sorry guys ,but it is funny...............human rights.









musin

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 23:31

AJ

Never have I had issue with this board before, I have issue with 'new rules' just appearing, and the content of the new rule. I have never courted controversy, but sometimes I feel one has to stand up and be counted!

For the few posters who are implying that I said I was leaving this board and then came back, for the record I have never, ever said I am leaving! If you were implying this towards someone else I apologise now.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 23:49

britvic

no one is saying you were leaving the board ,they were talking or rather izzet was about brian2000 something



chill have a ciggie or if you don,t smoke have a large one and if you don,t drink have a smile to yourself it works for me .





musin

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
25/01/2009 23:54

Britvic.....Boards evolve...that's how it is.



If it's no longer the place for you then so be it.



If you do want to stay and make it work,then apologise to Izzet for the direct personal insult,forget all the armchair lawyer crap being spouted about Human Rights violations,and lets all try and get on.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
26/01/2009 00:05

Hi britvic

You have been and always will be a valued member of this board but I can not see why any of the new rules should affect you. New rules are introduced because of problems caused by certain members that wish to disrupt this board I for one (for what it is worth) have always respected your postings and you have always brought a balance to this board and I hope that will continue.

Take care

AJ

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
26/01/2009 00:17

bradus:



"I really can't believe that people can bring in the subject of Human Rights!!!!!!"



Yeah - in the TRNC! Ludicrous, isn't it?

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
26/01/2009 00:31

Thank you Aj

12. There is NO Account Cancellation

Once you join, you cannot cancel your membership.

Once you post, you cannot delete your post.

Do not join our forum, if you do not agree with this rule.



This is what I have a problem with posted 24/01/09. Although I personally do not wish to leave this forum, as I feel it has always given me great information, and for the most part members are most helpful when needed, I have had some great chuckles on here. I feel this has been recently implemented for the very few who genuinely want to leave. This being my personal opinion.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
26/01/2009 23:35

I have been away for a few weeks and on my return find that several regular members are either banned, moderated or just not posting, did I miss something ?

Then I see people bringing in Human Rights because of their membership of this board, with what is happening in the world today I find that extraordinary, some folks need a reality check in my opinion if that is all they can complain about. I think I may just go away for a few more weeks and see if common sense returns to the board.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
26/01/2009 23:44

Hi Carol hope you enjoyed your break.



No you have missed very little, some new names but the hidden faces are the same ?

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 00:11

I'm beginning to feel like that rabbit whose name escapes me,



in The Magic Roundabout!



PC Lemtich at your service. Evening all. Still got any homes left?



Lem

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 00:12

Dylan that was!

always a bit doped up...

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 00:24

Sounds familiar. Peace and love man!



In moderation, of course.



Lem

Hippo


Joined: 02/02/2007
Posts: 2070

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 05:53

BBC refuse to screen appeal-thread now closed.

This is an example of why i originally posted.

Why close it ? and then say you can open a new one, what makes you think anything different will be discussed the thread had evolved what would have been a better solution would be for a moderator spliting the thread and moving that part of the discussion under a new heading, not adopting an authoritarian manor in closing it.

Granted the moderator gave reasons but it was not HIS thread to close.

There were no pearsonal attacks between board members the subject will always be a contencious one and feelings will run high (quite justifiably)

Pheraps the moderators may like to look at some other boards were things are more liberal and managed in a different way.

Just a suggestion from a humble Hippo

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 07:26

Hippo I agree with you, there were no attacks, didnt start the thread as the last one I opened got shut down so couldnt see the point,.



I sometimes think we are only allowed to talk about drunken nights and things for sale, anything with a serious nature just get whoosh clunked..shame.

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 08:58

Hi Dee & Hippo,

I did request, as soon after Msg 2 as I could, that the thread be split or otherwise Moderated, as I could see that it was bound to diverge from it's original purpose, & I thought that the straightforward appeal deserved to be read. Many posts later, anyone coming to this thread, unless they read very carefully, might well not know what the original purpose was...

As it transpired, the subsequent debate was informative, although as Harold said, it maynot have changed the mind of anyone with really strong views, but it certainly did draw out a range of opinions, and perhaps there really was not a lot left to say - not that THAT was Harold's decision to make, IMHO.

If people continue to show interest in a subject, & want to carry on discussing it, that's up to them, not the Moderators.

I would repeat, that I personally think that the debate should have been on another thread, and allowed to continue - civily!

The Happy Clappy lot are actually quite good at that!

Ke

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 09:29

Morning Keith, I just wish the Mods who do do a good job could be a little more liberal...the Israel/Palestine war is world wide news and we should be able to debate it.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 09:37

RE msg 81 (Keith) and msg 82 (Dee).



===> Dee, Keith is 100% right. The thread opened and we were kindly requested not to divert from the subject "complain to the BBC and SKY" - which most of the contributors started to do at once (I'm also guilty)! We *should* have started a new thread if we wished to debate the Israel/Hamas problem (again). That's why I back up the Moderator's decision in this case. In my opinion Harold's decision to shut the thread has nothing to do with being liberal or not.

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 09:49

Hi Dee,

I think that our Mods, as a group, have still to develop the experience and 'sixth sense' displayed on some other boards, but Hey! - it's still early days.

If we let them know what we think of their efforts, at least they are getting some feedback - actually I email 'em so much that they must groan when they see my name!

I do most of my commenting on the Mod situation 'off board' direct with the Mods - I think that you can have a more reasoned discussion without everyone 'piling in' and Bashing the Mods!

We'll just have to let them get on with it I suppose - with a bit of prodding from behind of course.

I do agree that the subject itself was well worthy of debate, and I know that you have particularly strong opinions and feelings about it - I've seen your other posts, and you have managed to get that across without resorting to Verbal Mugging! (this time at any rate!).

Regards to you and Kev.

Keith.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 10:11

This "other board" that you speak of sounds like a real Utopia....I'm surprised that you still bother to come on here.



I would suggest that the reason the other place is more liberal and "better" moderated,is that the topics are generally very lightweight and innocuous and do not need moderation.The low member numbers and the chatroom format is also a contributory factor.



The weighty political issues tend to be discussed here on Cyprus 44 and naturally attract varying opinions which are strongly felt,hence the need sometimes for intervention and measured moderation.



There is definitely room for both Boards....they offer different things to different people....but I just can't understand why people hang about on here moaning and rubbishing the site.

If it's no longer for you,just leave quietly and enjoy your time elsewhere.



As others have said....This is just a forum...a website.

There is no need for people to become armchair freedom fighters or Board martyrs.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 10:22

Cronos I object to being labelled an armchair freedom fighter ...believe me if the greeks crossed the border I would be on the front line pushing em back



Friction can be good for boards as it will always outweigh nicey nicey stuff, it is human nature to have a scrap and I for one love it.... keep smiling

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 10:24

Keith I can be a real pussycat at times

Nastynipper


Joined: 08/06/2008
Posts: 171

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 10:24

" chatroom format " ??

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 10:28

Hi Dee.....my "armchair freedom fighter" jibe was not related to people's opinions regarding their right to their property....it was aimed at those who make ludicrous statements about the board rules violating their Human Rights !!!!

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 10:29

Cronos,

It's not called the 'Happy Clappy' for nothing! - and contentious, it ain't...

I definitely agree that there is room for various styles and types of boards, and one of the reasons that I like this one so much is the highly opinionated and knowledgeable membership.

I didn't really think that I was moaning and rubbishing the site - my intention has always been to help the Mods develop the tools and skills that they need.

I do agree with your closing remarks, - it is best to keep things in perspective, and one of the best ways of doing that is to listen. And Learn

Best regards,

Keith.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 10:32

Nastynipper...msg 88



What I meant was the subject matter on the other Board tends to be chatter and day to day stuff.......like a group of friends would natter about whilst waiting for the quiz to start at Liaisons !

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 10:38

Hippo



You can't please all of the people all of the time!



I gave my reasons for closing the thread and the principal reason was, and therefore listed at number one, that the thread had meandered off topic. I like threads that are organic and grow but in this instance the original poster had made a special plea for the thread to stay on topic.



My indication that people could start a new thread was recognition that this is a serious subject and the merits of each side in the conflict deserve a specific thread.



My only request was that we did not suddenly have a thread started complaining about my closing that one.



My thanks to you for expresing your opinions in this already existing thread rather than start a new one.



I listen to what board members say and try to achieve a balance between the let anything go faction and those who want strict adherence to topics with no deviation. In the end I have to make a personal decision.



Harold2555

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 10:38

By the way, we don't have the ability to split threads and move posts around.



Harold

Nastynipper


Joined: 08/06/2008
Posts: 171

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 10:48

thanks cronos

johntie


Joined: 14/01/2009
Posts: 65

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 19:21

Dear Moderator



In your roles as moderators can you not just delete/supress those items that your Board find offensive or against the principals of the Forum without having to run the gauntlet of the barrack room lawyer and 90 plus messages of trivial crap. Surely it is not becoming to have to answer each message.

One message is sufficient, "Enough is enough"

they will soon learn and maybe turn their attention to the more important matters of improving the lot for all in TRNC



JP

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 20:15

johntie

Although I agree with your posting 100% unfortunately life on this board is not that clear cut.

AJ

Izzet



Joined: 01/12/2006
Posts: 920

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 23:38

I totally agree with Cronos Message 85.



People who complain all the time, please read that post again



Izzet