BBC refuse to broadcast Gazza appeal

denizkisi


Joined: 18/09/2008
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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 15:23

I was saddened to see, that despite urging from some 50 MPs, the BBC (and also SKY) have refused to broadcast an appeal for funds to help the people of Gazza. If you do not think that this is fair, or right - then please, please, complain via the BBC's complaints website. It takes less than 2 minutes. I don't want this to start off another slanging match, you can either complain or not, the choice is yours:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/

Nastynipper


Joined: 08/06/2008
Posts: 171

Message Posted:
26/01/2009 15:26

is there an appeal for the Israeli famalies in need after being hit by missilies launched bay hamaz from jordon and the gaza strip ?

glw215


Joined: 02/04/2008
Posts: 178

Message Posted:
26/01/2009 15:40

Thanks for the link Denizkisi, complaint posted. Hope they receive many more!

Nastynipper


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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 15:48

And when hamas rearm and send suicide bombers to london Please do not complain.

denizkisi


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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 16:04

Nastynipper, the whole world complained about the excessive force used by Israel (with the exception of the USA). Gazza is almost completely destroyed and the ordinary people are suffering terribly. If you feel strongly enough that a humanitarian appeal to the general public is neither warranted or appropriate - then write to the BBC and tell them you AGREE with their decision - its up to you!!

Nastynipper


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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 16:09

I DO AGREE with the beeb for a change, terrorists deserve no quater

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 16:11

Maybe the BBC and SKY agree with this report? "Hamas bears full responsibility for the war in Gaza, a top EU official said Monday in the Strip, calling the group "a terrorist movement."



"At this time we have to also recall the overwhelming responsibility of Hamas," Louis Michel, European Commissioner for Development and Humanitarian Aid, told reporters.



"I intentionally say this here - Hamas is a terrorist movement and it has to be denounced as such," Michel said as he visited the town of Jabalya in northern Gaza.



"Public opinion is fed up to see that we are paying over and over again - be it the (European) commission, the member states or the major donors - for infrastructure that will be systematically destroyed," he said.



Michel announced that the EU would transfer 59 million euros to the Palestinians half of which would go to Gaza organizations and to rest to the West Bank and to Palestinian refugees in Lebanon. He stressed that the funds would not be transferred via Ha

markvpiazza


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Posts: 530

Message Posted:
26/01/2009 16:26

So Israeli civilians get bombed in their homes for 8 years

Gazans vote for a terrorist government funded by the Iranians

And then they have their hands out for our money, which will no doubt end up in Swiss Bank accounts (remember it turned out Yassa Arafat owned a bowling alley in the USA amongst many other assetts) or spent on rockets to bomb Israels, or on bullets for their AK47s that they will shoot into the air at any excuse!!!



Why don't their Arab brothers awash with trillions of petro dollars chip in, instead of trying the chisel the money out of British OAPs?



Mark

Nastynipper


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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 16:30

A last THE voice of reason......................



" Why don't their Arab brothers awash with trillions of petro dollars chip in, instead of trying the chisel the money out of British ? "

karakum5c



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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 16:36

If the people of Gazza want any help they should stop supporting the cold bloodied killers of Hamas!

glw215


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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 16:38

Denizkisi, Thanks again for the link - dont let the SUN readers drag you into an argument!!!

denizkisi


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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 16:44

What about the children? Are they to blame? They will suffer the most won't they?

Nastynipper


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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 16:49

Yea winnie Mandela had it right, if they do not agree with you or oppose your pu tyres around their neck and burn em to death, perhaps some on here would chip in with the cost of petrol.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 17:09

RE msg 12, denizkisi : (...) What about the children? Are they to blame? They will suffer the most won't they? (...)



===> Indeed, a terrible dilemma. I mean it. But unfortunately and obviously it's not a dilemma for many of the population in "Hamastan".

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 17:12

I think it is shameful and disgusting of the BBC and SKY to refuse to air this appeal, they say they have to remain impartial, that is total rubbish, they are funded largely by jews and support Israels annihilation of innocent babies, women.



The Israeli's are murderers, they even used illegal weapons, they are no better than the 3rd reicht...this is their revenge and they must be stopped..they are too powerful, I think it is also a damned shame that more countries dont stand shoulder to shoulder with the Palestinians...nothing can justify the total destruction of the Palestinians and their country, this is the Lebanon all over again!

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 17:20

Er Dee .. what you like to tell us HOW you arrive at this "gem"..



"they say they have to remain impartial, that is total rubbish, they are funded largely by jews and support Israels annihilation of innocent babies, women. "



I guess you mean the BBC ( and SKY).. by "they"..



I *am* a licence payer - as are approx 20 million other folk - and I don't THINK we noticed that we were being excessively funded by Jews..

JamesB


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Posts: 450

Message Posted:
26/01/2009 17:23

I agree deecyprus4



Thats why the americans didn't intervene, because their country is run by Jews.

( and the fact theres no oil there!)



Jb

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 17:26

mmmmm the worlds media is financially backed by the jews, and as for the BBC is they are funded purely by licence payers then why arent they listening to them ..

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 17:29

RE msg 15, deecyprus4 : Ah...! There's the voice of reason again! This time with world breaking news: BBC and SKY are largely funded by Jews...



"Murderers, illegal weapons, Third Reich, too powerful, destruction of the Palestinians". When I read the blind hate in your twisted messages I'm really glad that Israel makes its own decisions and that the Israelis are not dependent for their safety on the likes of you.



Don't forget, Dee: No rockets into Israel, no retaliation. "Building up" a country with rockets instead of negotiating with words is not a good idea and one can only hope that Hamas has learned this lesson.



Have a nice day.

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 17:34

DC if the jews hadnt been given a part of Palestine there would be no need for hamas.



The british have much to answer for in particular Balfour..

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 17:57

Time for a new thread "should the uneducated only be taken seriously when they're serving you"

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 18:01

Dear Dee.. re msg 18



"mmmmm the worlds media is financially backed by the jews"



NO.. it's not... as if it WAS we'd hardly be hearing of Israeli "cock ups" and UN spokespeople on the ground being critical of their tactics... HOW do you explain, THAT..?



If it wasn't for such media coverage, would there be such an outcry?



You're letting your passionate views cloud your judgement.







"and as for the BBC is they are funded purely by licence payers then why arent they listening to them .."



May be it's because they are just like has been said.. "impartial"... ?!



re msg 19 "The british have much to answer for in particular Balfour.."



For those of you who need more explanation Balfour was the British foreign secretary when Lloyd George was PM (1916-1919). The Infamous" Balfour Declaration: follows in next post ..

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 18:01

"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."



I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.

david123


Joined: 07/07/2008
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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 18:08

Hi all,



Idon't blame the bbc for doing this.



These were the same people that when 9/11 happened and 7/7 in uk they were dancing in the streets.



maybe we should have a party while they are suffering, maybe they won't find it so funny this time.



David.

Nastynipper


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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 18:10

David well said

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 18:12

Shame not so many ppl agree with you tho.

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 18:18

Face the Fact

isreal occupy 81% of palestine



Israel :

Created 4 million+ Refugees

Holds World's record for UN Violations at 69+

Killed more innocent civilians per capita than any other country 50,000+

Has Imprisoned more civilians per cap 250,000+ ,

Has rendered more civilians Handicapped per cap 50,000+

Demolished more homes than any other country 60,000+

Outlawed marriage to Non-Jews,

Destroyed 350 Christian Churches & Mosques 6 Wars in 60 years

254 km of Apartheid Wall (twice berlin wall in height and length)

562 Check Points Has Ethnically cleansed 500+ villages



No justice no peace

Free bethleham free palestine free jerusalem

end the terror end the killing

israel the new aparthied state

zionism the new nazism

gaza the new warsaw-end the seige



true peace with one denocratic state











In the Warsaw Ghetto, denied food, medical supplies,... sealed into a tightly packed area by a wall and unable to escape... shot and bombed when they rebelled... they we

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 18:26

they were murdered in their thousands as the World stood by...

irishwrath


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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 18:38

If you just keep poking a big dog with a stick, sooner or later he is going to bite you !

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
26/01/2009 18:46

Dee, I have a very Dear Polish lady friend, who was 15, when the Jews in the Ghetto rose up... "The World" did not stand idly by .. The Poles were in "crap" street too, and they were in no position to help as they didn't have enough arms.. and even when they DID rise up, the Soviets were content to let the Germans and Poles fight it out.



The allies dropped "aid" but it was frequently off target and fell into German hands..



Yet AGAIN, you are offering an incomplete and in this case WAY off the mark assumption...



We "shafted" the Poles later . Britain joined WW2 to protect Poland and "allowed" Stalin to keep it .. thus leaving a lot of brave folk without a homeland to go back to...

kenny



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Posts: 405

Message Posted:
26/01/2009 19:23

back to original topic

whats the harm in broadcasting the

appeal. if you dont want to donate

then dont, if yes then go ahead !

Pasha


Joined: 05/01/2009
Posts: 7

Message Posted:
26/01/2009 19:26

Israel has a functioning economy which enables it to rebuild damage in war. With what are innocent Gazans meant to rebuild their lives? They are ENTIRELY reliant on aid as of moment, and therefore the BBC should be broadcasting pleas for donations.

Pasha


Joined: 05/01/2009
Posts: 7

Message Posted:
26/01/2009 19:37

To further add, because you disagree with Hamas (and take note, the democratically elected administration of Gaza) does not allow you to meat out collective punishment on the innocent people of Gaza. The majority of those who voted for Hamas voted because they were sick of the corruption, insecurity and incompetence of Fatah. To say the BBC should not broadcast a call for help because Hamas is in power, what you are essentially doing is furthering Israels collective punishment of Gazans, and for those who dont know, collective punishment defined by the Geneva Convention is a war crime.

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
26/01/2009 19:39

Maybe they should have thought about that before firing rockets into israel.



If france was firing rockets into the uk every day, do you not think the uk would fire back?

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
26/01/2009 19:39

and you mmmmmm are completely wrong ...read again my post ..do you get pleasure out of attemting to patronise, you clearly think you are superior to most posters on this forum, some good advice...think again!!!

irishwrath


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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 19:41

Are you talking to me dee?

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 19:45

is your name mmmmmm, rolls eyes in disbelief.

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 19:47

Irishwrath, no but when the IRA and the UDA was bombing the UK we didnt go into Ireland and rip the shit out of it killing innocent ppl even tho the IRA and UDA were hiding like cowards amongst the innocent civilians..

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 19:52

Israel stops Iranian aid ship from docking in Gaza! …maybe it is time that Israel suffered the same fate, a boycott of all Israeli goods and a blockade of their promised land?







 An Iranian ship carrying aid to Gaza has been stopped by the Israeli navy 20 miles off the coast of Gaza. The ship which had left the Iranian port of Bandar Abbas 13 days earlier was carrying 2,000 tons of humanitarian aid including food and medicine to the stricken people of Gaza.



http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1231917085424



 On Thursday morning 22 January 2009, Israeli gunboats turned back a vessel trying to transport pro-Palestinian activists and medical supplies to the war-battered enclave.



The Greek-flagged "Spirit of Humanity," carrying 21 activists, was surrounded by Israeli gunboats in international waters off southern Lebanon. The Israeli navy threatened to open fire if the ship continued its voyage to Gaza. The ship carry

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 19:53

The Greek-flagged "Spirit of Humanity," carrying 21 activists, was surrounded by Israeli gunboats in international waters off southern Lebanon. The Israeli navy threatened to open fire if the ship continued its voyage to Gaza. The ship carrying doctors, aid workers and journalists, had no other choice but to head back for the south-eastern Cypriot port of Larnaca, from where it set sail on Wednesday.



This is the Free Gaza Movement’s second failed attempt to take much needed medical supplies to Gaza following Israel's military operation, which has so far killed more than 1,000 people.

Since August 2008 however they have successfully challenged the Israeli blockade five times bringing humanitarian supplies to the besieged Gaza Strip.



http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2009/01/gaza-israel-bar.html



 This is a repeat of previous blockades by the Israeli’s when on the 1st December 2008 the Israeli navy prevented a Libyan ship carrying 3,000 tonnes of humanitarian

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 19:54

 This is a repeat of previous blockades by the Israeli’s when on the 1st December 2008 the Israeli navy prevented a Libyan ship carrying 3,000 tonnes of humanitarian aid for Palestinians from docking in Gaza. The voyage of the Marwa, which carried food, blankets and powdered milk, was intended to challenge Israel's economic blockade on the Gaza Strip, which has tightened in recent weeks. But as the ship approached Gazan waters at dawn an Israeli naval ship ordered it to turn back. The Marwa reportedly docked at al-Arish, an Egyptian port in the northern Sinai just south of Gaza. The distribution of aid is still being hindered by the Egyptian’s who have kept its one crossing into Gaza at Rafah largely closed.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/02/israel-ship-marwa-gaza

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
26/01/2009 19:58

Were you here ?



Our lives were ripped apart, checkpoints, gun fire, army on our streets in running battles.



And all funded by do gooders all over the world who had no idea of or did not care the misery their money was helping to continue.



Dee you seem to go against the flow, just to course upset in every thread. If someone says it black you say white.



You talk a lot of tish, do not talk about things you know nothing about.

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 20:01

Irish no I wasnt there but I certainly dont recall jet fighters blowing the place to bits or tanks demolishing houses, with civilians inside but I do remember the Irish bombs raining down on the UK....you talk tish buddy not me!

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 20:02

It shows how much care and concern Israel has for the Civilians suffering in Gaza!!

It want's to starve the children and women in the hope they will either die or give up and leave Gaza. Its ethnic cleansing and its being done in front of the world. But the west will not say anything because their guilt regarding the holocaust is blinding them and they fear being labeled antisemitic!!

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 20:04

first the people of Gaza are bombed and shot into oblivion for 3 weeks and now the Israeli's and Egyptians play politics with the survivors lives. I would just like to see them try and get away with that in a European country?

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 20:06

"Daniel Friedman, the Israeli justice minister, has been appointed to lead a defence team should war crimes charges be brought following the 22-day war on Gaza......

Israel insists its troops did their best to limit civilian casualties in heavily-populated areas, accusing Hamas fighters of hiding behind Palestinian civilians and firing at Israelis from civilian and UN buildings.



Pictures released by the UN showed what appeared to be flame-generating munitions, thought to be white phosphorus "wedges", falling into a UN compound in Gaza where hundreds of people were sheltering.



If the munitions are proved to be white phosphorus - which causes extreme burns when in contact with the skin - Israel's use of the chemical could form the basis of war crimes charges.



International law forbids white phosphorus use against military targets within areas where civilians are concentrated, except when the targets are clearly separated and "all feasible precautions" are taken to avoid casualt

Quarmby


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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 20:17

The building expertise shown by Dubai in its ability to build islands in the sea and with its vast wealth, would it not be just a drop in the ocean to them to come to the aid of a fellow arabic state?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 20:21

Dear Dee, re msg 35



If you were smart - you would note that I have normally not responded to your posts as they are normally non productive and most folk know that disagreeing with you will end up with a lot of name calling ..



IF you were smarter, you might realise that you have managed to get DC and many other posters, with whom I might have a different viewpoint, united in our agreement about you...



It's great that we can all have our say - and be passionate.. but try and keep it in perspective..



I'm guessing that Irishwraith and I might not agree politically, either, but I'll bet we could disagree with "decorum".. !

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 20:30

RE msg 33, Pasha : (...) because you disagree with Hamas (and take note, the democratically elected administration of Gaza) does not allow you to meat out collective punishment on the innocent people of Gaza. (...)



===> Hamas is considered a terrorist organisation by many countries and international institutions. Am I led to believe that the innocent people of Gaza thought that Hamas was some kind of armed Salvation Army?



Pasha : (...) The majority of those who voted for Hamas voted because they were sick of the corruption, insecurity and incompetence of Fatah. (...)



===> The majority made a mistake then. If there's ever another election they can vote Hamas out of government. But who are they going to vote for? Most Fatah leaders fled to the West Bank or were killed (not by Israel) but by Hamas. Any ideas? Maybe the innocent people of Gaza would like to try Hezbollah? Or the Iran mullah's?

pilgrim



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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 20:36

Pity victims but, impartial , means you don't take sides, even when pressure applied , well done BBC and SKY, for a change.

Fred8


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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 21:14

The issue of the BBC's refusal to air adverts for charity is not the reall issue. It has been well documented that theIsraeli propoganda machine had gone into action months before the Gaza operation- in facts months before the 4th Nov 2008 airstrike by the Israeli's. Some of the comments here are reflected of that propoganda: Hamas, even if one views it as terrorist organisation did not break the ceasefire. This is also document Isreali knows well that its action will lead to further radicalisation of the Palestinians; further radicalisation means more decades of occupation and the Israelis getting away with its barbarity which its army for the past three or so decades has specialised in infliing untold misery on children, women, UN compounds, refugee camps.etc Occupation, whether it s by Israeli or Nazi, elecits one response only: resistance. The EU and the US is fully responsible as accomplices in what has happened because the they more than anyone else aware of consequences of occp

Fred8


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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 21:18

the issue of appeals for aid is attempts to cleanse our conscience of the enormous barbarity inflicted on the Palestine. And sadly the Israeli state is allowed to get away with repeated genocide because european conscience of what the Nazis did to the Jews

Harold2555



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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 21:31

I am going to close this thread for the following reasons.



1) It has meandered off the original point of whether the BBC should broadcast a charity appeal. The information is there if people want to act.



2) Whilst it is sort of natural that the conflict itself is debated, the opposing viewpoints have been put in this thread and previously.



3) I do not want to stop lively debate but with such deeply held views there is a danger that the quality of the debate will suffer.



4) Equally I do not think any poster is likey to be swayed by matters posted by others.





I apologise if my closing the thread upsets anyone but I have given the matter much thought. If you have anything new to say then you are at liberty to start a new thread, what I don't want to see is a thread complaining about my closing this one.



Many thanks



Harold2555

Harold2555



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Message Posted:
26/01/2009 21:32

This thread is now closed.



My reasons and thought processes are given above.



Harold2555