petition to Talat

tattlad


Joined: 13/12/2008
Posts: 479

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 19:30

Maybe all the foreign property owners should petition Talat if we can, and ask him where we stand in his views, because at the end of the day if they did not sell we could not buy, and in any terms, they have sold stolen property if that is the case, and he and his government are directly responsible for selling stolen land.

mitsi


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 345

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 19:36

Absolutely, a petition would be great as people need to know where they stand. We don't own a property and are loathe to buy because it's all as clear as mud. The build quality is very poor, aftersales is appalling and then to fight for the kocan, which often is worthless, seems too much of a gamble. The Government need to get their act together and tell the truth.

Harlequin


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 346

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 19:42

I might be wrong here but I thought that it was against the law to contract to purchase property in TRNC unless you first had permission to buy. The same holds , I thought, for instructing a builder to build a house on land where permission to buy has not been granted.



In that case I would presume that those who have not had permission to buy and have gone ahead anyway are subject to prosecution and would have no rights and not have any claim to proper title.



Discuss!

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 19:47

If you're proposing a petition here then you don't understand the Turkish mentality. Doing that would be more likely to mark the organisers out as foreigners who think they know better and who should be taught a lesson.



At the very least someone will accept it with a polite smile then laugh behind your backs and bin it. Foreigners are of zero importance now, and are in fact an obstacle because so many occupy Greek Cypriot properties which feature as part of the reunification deal.



The most sensible thing to do would be to try and trace the legal owners of your property and work out a deal that will allow you to stay on for a while.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 19:56

Harlequin...msg 3



Good points....in theory you are right...the advice is get permission to buy before purchasing.

However,can you imagine saying to an estate agent.."we'll take it...but can you hold on to it for 2 years for us until we get our PTP?"



And following your hypothesis....shouldn't it also be illegal to SELL property,or assist in that sale,to anyone who you know hasn't got PTP ?



*strokes chin*

jay76


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 532

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 20:05

Tattlad



Not a bad idea.



Pikey



The most sensible thing to do would be to try and trace the legal owners of your property and work out a deal that will allow you to stay on for a while.



YER LETS ALL DO THAT.

Harlequin


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 346

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 20:06

Cronos



Obviously there are practical difficulties but if right at the outset people had followed the letter of the law and not bought until they had permission the system would have been changed in double quick time or there would have been no property boom.



As it is, there was a property boom, some people made a stack of money but it was not for selling property. People may have parted with money but until they have permission to buy nothing has been sold and nothing has been bought.



The ultimate joke would be blanket refusals and then what.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 20:12

Harlequin....I agree...and IF us foreign buyers had followed that line maybe the PTP process would have speeded up to 2 months like it is for TC's rather than 2 years + for us?



However,as you know,your PTP application is for you personally (criminal record etc) but also for a SPECIFIC property (to assess proximity to military installations etc).

If you had to wait 2 years for PTP before buying,the property would be no longer for sale,and you would have to reapply for PTP for ANOTHER property...ad infinitum.



*mutters something about chicken and egg and Catch 22 *

Harlequin


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 346

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 20:58

If the potential buyers had refused to play their game the law would have been changed very quickly as the greedy estate agents , land sellers and builders would have insisted on it.



By paying for land and building before having permission the greedy so called buyers played into the hands of the greedy so called sellers and the builders took advantage of them.



The builders now know that they have the greedy so called buyers without permission to buy over a barrel.



People think they have bought land and a villa, they haven't, not till the permission comes through.

Mindy



Joined: 27/10/2008
Posts: 1210

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 21:24

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but when an Advocate tells you it is just a formality to apply for PTP's and not to worry because there is serious back logs with said department. Why would you not trust that statement, as I said

Hindsight.................

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 21:29

wise up, if a potential purchaser took that stance, it just makes way for person prepared to take the risk/gamble, and they would then have all the best property.

Harlequin


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 346

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 21:29

You would not trust him because you would know that the lawyer had no "duty of care" to his client in Cyprus and you would naturally be aware of what the property law was in a country where you were a potential buyer.



Any English person knows that the manner of buying a house here is so at variance with that of the UK that alarm bells must be ringing. Every aspect of buying a house here, except the price (greed - LOL), cries out not to.

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 21:39

Harlequin:



"By paying for land and building before having permission the greedy so called buyers played into the hands of the greedy so called sellers and the builders took advantage of them."



EXACTLY! When I bought our property a price was agreed, a contract was drawn up between both parties and we simply waited for PTP to come through, at which point the money changed hands and the house was ours.



Only a crazy would do it any other way, surely???

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
27/01/2009 21:41

msg 12,



The uncomfortable truth. Top post.

Mindy



Joined: 27/10/2008
Posts: 1210

Message Posted:
28/01/2009 01:07

I am intrigued to know how you secured the property, was a deposit paid for it?

I find it hard to believe a vendor would be prepared to wait years for full payment. If your answer is YES you did pay a deposit or holding fee, then you would be as greedy as the people you are calling.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
28/01/2009 01:13

Mindy, bought years ago v v cheap, but no one else is allowed to do this ?

Mindy



Joined: 27/10/2008
Posts: 1210

Message Posted:
28/01/2009 01:42

Harlequin....



If all people who bought houses without first waiting for ptp's are guilty, then so are:

Advocates, builders and estate agents, there should be some redress in the future for all Advocates who knowingly write up contracts for buyers where no ptp's have been given.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
28/01/2009 10:24

i hope before you go down this road you have your ptp and your kochan in your name.

remember that ptp are granted by the interior ministry.

tattlad


Joined: 13/12/2008
Posts: 479

Message Posted:
28/01/2009 13:21

If Gary Rob has been deported, and the TRNC government have kept his deposits because they think he has committed some kind of crime, where do we stand, knowing that the TRNC government have willingly or knowingly allowed their people to sell disputed land, it seems to smack of double standards, so Mr Talat should really be fighting our corner, or he and his ministers could come in for some very unsavory lawsuits.

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
28/01/2009 13:24

Mr T dosnt know what is going on in his so called goverment, he has just stopped the so called trnc council from selling hundreds of donums of GC land to support the so called trnc, i dont think he will be bothered about any expats money! there the least of his problems!!!

tattlad


Joined: 13/12/2008
Posts: 479

Message Posted:
28/01/2009 13:51

Msg 20 it doesn't alter the fact that someone has sanctioned the sale of the land that HAS been built on and that someone has to be held accountable, I don't see any signs or notices in airports on the GC side advising against buying this land either, I know quite a few now after speaking to people, who bought houses and did not have a clue that there was any sort of dispute, a few saw adverts on the web, went over and spoke to estate agents, who never mentioned any dispute over ownership of the land, yes it is a can of worms, but the buck surely has to stop with the people who allowed the land to be sold and built on.

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
28/01/2009 20:00

msg21

did no one notice the signs at the so called borders & wonder why there is a division of the island! or did they go through blindfolded?

cocos


Joined: 04/04/2008
Posts: 129

Message Posted:
28/01/2009 20:22

Well maybe we can sue the TRNC government. They allowed the sale of exchange land/pre74/greek land to foreigners they granted the ptp and allowed the contracts to be registered. They legally recognized what was going on. So its their fault we're in this mess too. I know they havent got any money but a desicion against them would mean they are accountable.

tattlad


Joined: 13/12/2008
Posts: 479

Message Posted:
29/01/2009 15:48

Msg 22 everyone knows that the Island is split, but it's not common knowledge about the land situation (it is Pike isn't it ?)

Msg 23 thats exactly my point, they the TRNC government would holding a gun to their own head to ignore all those who have bought property here with (guaranteed) TRNC deeds.

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
29/01/2009 21:32

tattlad



"Everyone knows the island is split" did nobody want to know WHY!!!!!!



And no it`s not`s pike!!!

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
29/01/2009 22:04

A petition to Talat is a waste of time ,it presupposes he doesnt know what is going on. Roll on the election.





Pikey



Everybody knows the reasons why the island is split, but are based on whether you are for or against the TRNC.