The lastest "pie in the sky" "Las Vegas" project for the pan handle?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 03:37

Just read a report that a huge project - ready for completion in 2011 - with 5200 beds, a 350 berth Marina, shops, and Villas are to be built in the pan handle - Karpas(a)



In the light of all the projects one reads about that are coming to CY ( F1 Grand Prix, "Disneyland" project funded by "Russians" and this one .. funded by local biz and Israelis - in a recession - am I the only one to view such stories with "a pinch of salt"..



Reported in Afrika and Star Kibris on 28/1/09

Busy Bees Bogaz


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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 08:09

Hi everyone,

I have mentioned this Marina several times on previous postings. For anyone visiting the Karpaz you will actually see this work well under way, and you can also visit the on site office if need be to see the plan for this fabulous marina. The 2 Hotels that are being built will be low rise, and yes, there will be shops and restaurants there. This marina can be found a couple of miles from the village of Yeni Erenkoy, about half way up the Panhandle. Both the sites we have advertised previously are both within minutes from this new project. If anyone wants more info please do not hesitate to contact me.

Have a nice day all,

Maria

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 08:11

mmmmm can I just ask a simple question..as I understand it you do not live here so why are you so eager to post on this forum..

negativenick


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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 08:26

stick me down for one...



Looking for a place to get away from it all.





Nick

Hippo


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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 09:48

busy bees a question from the Hippo-are you sure the marinia is still under way? actually being constructed as we speak?

an honest answer please

newlad



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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 10:01

mmmmmmm,

Hasnt this already been posted,

Regards,

Paul.

pinkchilli


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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 10:18

How about the Big Old Bazaar near Iskele?



Another concrete site.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 10:20

Hi Dee re msg 3 - "as I understand it you do not live here so why are you so eager to post on this forum.."



I might not LIVE, ALL the time on the island, any more.. are you saying now that only folk who DO can post ?! ;) .. I could ask WHY, if you live in Cyprus, you post concerning Israel.....



re msg 6 -" Hasn[']t this already been posted," - forgive me if it had, but the wording of the papers suggested in is "news"..



re msg 6 Maria - I'm going to quote the papers below, their idea of the project is somewhat grander than you suggest - hence my post.. this would be by FAR the biggest project on the island- and whilst as a ken sailor, I'd LOVE to see more Marinas, I'd rather they were built near existing ports and NOT in one of the few quiet spots left in the MED.. Are you aware of how many Marina projects "fail" ?



Now IF there was a settlement...

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 10:22

[note SIXTEEN Hotels quoted]



Under the above title Turkish Cypriot daily Afrika newspaper

(28.01.09) reports in its first page that 16 five-star hotels, a

shopping mall and a marina is being built in the occupied Fasmagusta -

Karpass region in the occupied areas of Cyprus. It is said that this

place will become Las Vegas, as soon as the constructions are completed

in the year 2010, notes the paper. According to Afrika, the projects

include hotels that will resemble Italy's coliseum, Babel's Hanging

Gardens, Artemis' temple and Noah's Ark. When all the hotels are

completed within the scope of the project, a total bed-capacity of

52.000 will be achieved. A marina with a 350-yacht capacity, which is

scheduled to be completed in two years, is being built by an

Israeli-British firm. In addition a new shopping center which will

resemble the Grand Bazaar of Istanbul will be built. The center will

cover an area of 45 thousand-square meters, 18.000 of which will be

covered.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 10:26

Now THIS article quote a "low-rise" 17 storey Hotel..



"Star Kibris (28.01.09) reports on the same issue

under the title Las Vegas on the making in Cyprus and writes that the

investments for tourism in the Karpas region are

not limited to the Vegas hotels. A new hotel under the name Sky Line

Residence will be opened up in 2011. The 17-storey hotel will have a

capacity of 1250 beds. The hotel, owned by the Turkish Cypriot

businessman Ali Ozmen Safa, will be Cyprus tallest building, according

to the paper. In addition in order for the water needs of the area to

be met a desalination plant is under construction by a French-British

firm."



I guess this must be the Bogaz "tower" ..

Busy Bees Bogaz


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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 10:39

mmmmmmm,

Hello,

This is in the area of BAFRA which is not the Karpaz. Many advertise areas as being in the Karpaz, but this is not true. And yes, many of the Hotels here have started, and the Kaya Artemis has already opened. This area is about ten minutes north of Bogaz, on the South East Coast of North Cyprus. I have no information as yet on the marina but have heard of it.

The KARPAZ BAY MARINA is actually on the Karpaz, and yes, Hippo, it is under construction. The real area of the Karpaz Peninsula (otherwise known as the panhandle of North Cyprus, begins at Yeni Erenkoy. It is from here and on to the tip of the Island that there are huge building restrictions and an area of national park status. It is also here that you will find the best beaches. If anyone wants photos, please contact me direct, or for a link to our dvd film which features the true Karpaz and all its wonder, or for picture of marina

info@busybeesestateagents-cyprus.com



Hope this helps everyone.



M

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 10:52

mmmmmm I understand you did live here so why don't you now?

Hippo


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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 10:55

So the marinia you are refering to is the marinia at Yeni Erenkoy ,if i am correct the David Lewis partnership.

Now please confirm construction is underway at present on the marinia.?

Also a completion date?

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 10:55

The Israeli/Palestinian situation is a matter of International interest, I support the trnc you clearly do not, so again I ask why do you post on here other than to attempt to 'big yourself up' because you misguidedly think you are intelligent.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 11:02

Dee re msg 12



"I understand you did live here so why don't you now?"



Dee, I would normally say that was nosey - if it wasn't for the fact that I had posted my reasons on here before ... regarding the RoC and their non-implementation of EU Directives concerning the rights of an EU citizen's dependants.

DONTY


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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 11:11

This isn't new news. These hotels were first mentioned about 2 years ago.



mmm's negative stance on all things TC lead me to believe he is either a paid agitator or perhaps just a very lonely and negative person who has found a place where people engage him in conversation?



Regarding timeframes for these projects, the current global situation has slowed development worldwide as I'm sure you are all aware but do be advised that the area north of Bogaz has been planned as a highrise location and this is far better (imo) than low density sprawl spreading towards the Karpas which is the alternative.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 11:17

Hey Dee re msg 14



"The Israeli/Palestinian situation is a matter of International interest"



as is the situation in Cyprus..



" I support the trnc you clearly do not, "



I, like, many TCs, believe the declaration of the "TRNC" set BACK their cause .. don't confuse this with not wanting to see TCs gain the access to all the "benefits" of EU membership their YES vote to Annan should have brought.





"so again I ask why do you post on here"



Answered.. ;)



".. other than to attempt to 'big yourself up' because you misguidedly think you are intelligent."



Dee, am I going to start getting pms and emails asking me not to be "impolite" to you ?!... If so, read the above quote of yours.. go have a cup of Coffee and ask yourself .. "Where is this going?".. I'm not "biting".... :p

Busy Bees Bogaz


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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 11:33

Hippo,



Yes, you are correct, the marina on the Karpaz is just North of Yeni Erenkoy.(not to be confused with kucuk. Erenekoy near Esentepe!)



I am happy to send photos to anyone, taken today, of construction work at the new marina. Please for anyone wishing to see these photos contact me direct.

We have been advised that this marina should complete at the end of 2010.

If anyone knows the current pretty fishing harbour at the Malibu Hotel, then the new marina is approximately 2 minutes from here. As previously stated., this area should not be confused with Bafra, as the true Karpaz cannot, in our opinion, be compared to anywhere else on the Island. Naturally this area is not for all, but for those wanting peace and quiet, non overdevelopment and the best beaches then the real Karpaz may be worth taking a look at.This is the reason we are so passionate about the limited properties we do market here.

Have a good day everyone.

M

pilgrim



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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 11:42

MMMMMM , obviously hasn,t visited Bafra, might not have used 'pie in sky if he had'.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 11:45

Dear Donty



re msg 16



"mmm's negative stance on all things TC lead me to believe he is either a paid agitator or perhaps just a very lonely and negative person who has found a place where people engage him in conversation? "



If I only had a Euro for every time I read this "expert" opinion of me.. did you know many ignorant GCs think I'm a "Turk lover" because I have Turkish and TC acquaintances and visit the north / Turkey? ;)yprus



I always say to posts like this.. Read the Uk or any EU advice re Cyprus.. are THEY "agitators" under the influence of GCs, too



Finally, I hardly think part of the RoC govt. and I are on the greatest of terms.. as their Ministry of Interior made life "difficult" for my family..



Who knows.. maybe some GC thought I was a TC Agitator... :P !!

DONTY


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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 11:58

mmm



Who said 'expert'? it's just my opinion based on your many many negative posts.



Perhaps, I repeat perhaps, you are just lonely and were born negative?



Seeing as you lived and have had difficulties in the south, do you post on GC forums? if so which ones? I'd love to read your comments?? If not why crusade on this site about our issues?

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 12:08

mmmm you could have told me to mind my own business and I would have done so, I was fully expecting it however, please don't insult my intelligence, you have nothing good to say about the TRNC and I very much doubt your opinions mean much to the tc's.



I note you had problems in the south and I am assuming your russian wife was the reason..again I assume they refused her a visa or whatever was required, although I don't know why, I think I could hazard a fairly accurate guess

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 12:11

Donty I think you have mmmmm sussed

DONTY


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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 12:18

deecyprus4



yeow..... :O

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 12:25

HA HA HA

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 12:32

Dee De re msg 22



"you could have told me to mind my own business and I would have done so, I was fully expecting it" ..



I KNOW you were... We aren't all like you, Dee ! ;)



"please don't insult my intelligence," ..



*I* don't NEED to ...





"you have nothing good to say about the TRNC" .

and I very much doubt your opinions mean much to the tc's."



You must be very selective re my posts..I love Cyprus- it particular the north and have spent and will continue to spend many a relaxing hour in TR or "the north ".. who knows when the settlement is reached we could be neighbours ;D

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 12:59

Donty re 21 "who said 'expert'? it's just my opinion based on your many many negative posts. "



*I* said "expert", inferring the opposite...just to make it clear how incorrect you were.. "negative" - mainly in reaction to property.. I'm no different in my stance that the UK govt.



I'm not even going to bother why you feel you can tell us about my personal life..



Re posting on "GC" sites.. do you mean Cyprus sites..? Those of us who post on Gary's board will know a member ended up with egg on his face who suggested something similar..



Our Difficulties in the "rump" RoC related to incorrect interpretations of an EU Directive re the rights of EU Citizens ( and their dependants) to move freely within the EU. You will hear the full story when the matter is closed .



Suffice to say my Wife was "allowed" to live there, but subject to illegal restrictions - as was her son. We have "won" but the matter of the costs and consequences have yet to be resolved.. ;)

DONTY


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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 13:08

mmm



Are you unemployed by any chance or do you have a job as a nit picker?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 13:16

re 28 Donty



"Are you unemployed by any chance or do you have a job as a nit picker?"..



I employ myself, gainfully.. and the relevance of this question is.?



PS You'll note I'm not interested in your circumstances..HINT...

juliet


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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 13:56

does anyone know who`s the real owner of the land where they are building this eyesore?

britvic



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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 14:08

This really is too much! can we get back on thread? it's getting like a playground in here!

DONTY


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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 14:12

mm



Did the GC government make life difficult for you because you were deemed to be the most boring and anal person to step foot on this island? Probably.



I suggest you get back to work, some nits are escaping.



I'm bored of this now, its going round in circles. I leave the floor for you to earn your Euro from your paymasters.

Nastynipper


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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 14:14

nothing changes on here britvic, People should learn not to to pick a " fight " with mm he knows his onions, whilst I do not agree with alot of what he says i would not lock horns with him he backs up what he says with evidence and is a mine of information.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 14:17

Dear Britvic re msg 31



You are of course correct.. *I* started the thread and those who wish to discuss my motifs feel free to start one of your own.. ;)

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 14:22

ROFL that figures no other person would emply you HA HA HA

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 14:25

Nastynipper does he pay you well to follow him lowly around the floor ha ha ha

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 14:30

re msg 34 - on a light hearted note... I'm surprised no one picked up my howler re motives / motifs

juliet


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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 14:33

can anybody answer msg30?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 14:43

re 19 Pilgrim and msg 11





Guys... Vokolida / Bafra is in the Kapaz/ Karpassa region as far as I the Cypriots I know maintain..



To back this up:



go to



http://www.cyprus-properties.com/cyprus/bafra.htm



and read their blurb...



if that isn't enough - if you visit the Russian version of the page



http://www.north-cyprus.ru/cyprus/bafra.asp



then click on the enlargement of the map



http://www.north-cyprus.ru/cyprus/images/map.jpg



then click on the "+"



you'll CLEARLY see that Bafra / Vokolida



IS in Karapaz/Karpassa..

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 14:46

re msg 38 "Juliet" ..



I don't believe your question went unnoticed..

Nastynipper


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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 14:55

Dee message 35 is it Employ or Imply ??

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 14:57

Nasty I don't think you should be picking me up on my spelling or grammar especially as neither word requires a capital letter. Time to return to your box I think

Nastynipper


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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 15:00

you think now there is A thought !!



keep smiling

neilhodgin


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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 19:30

So, no marina work going on at kucuk Erenkoy. I though there was work planned for this year? there is a new build there called marina view(or something like that) so should it just be called view??

cronos


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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 19:33

Future Marina View would fit the bill nicely.

neilhodgin


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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 20:02

I hope so, future marina would do!!

cronos


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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 20:05

I hope so too Neil.....but things tend to get scaled back in TRNC.

You could end up with a jetty!



Joking

neilhodgin


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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 21:17

I'm out at the end of feb so i'll be able to have a look anyway,I only want my apartment to double in price!! LoL.It's not far from there.

newlad



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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 21:33

http://www.nubricks.com/archives/130/luxury-bogaz-seaside-villas-in-north-cyprus/

More stuff.

juliet


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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 21:38

as i said in the marina post, All projects concerning investers from various countries are on hold!!! orders from Mr T!!!

andre 514


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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 23:01

mmmmmmm,



you seem to be connected with limassol but not directly the north



of course you are more than welcome to post on this board:



and so are they all honourable men...



you come over as quirky, intelligent and independent-minded



even claim some pedigree as an activist



you do adopt a moral tone over the question of cyprus



which always makes me a tad suspicious...



not because the things you say are necessarily untrue,



armies have never throughout history posed as social workers



and militias tend to ask relevant questions after the event...



war, even cold war is a nastly business, rich in recrimination



but because (sigh) in the vast majority of cases



such arbiters so very often have some sort of personal "axe to grind"



I know precisely what mine is, but what on earth can yours be?



we can only wonder...



and would you not agree that "ideology is disguised self-interest"?



andre

cronos


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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 23:05

Bloody hell Andre that's a bit deep for us amateurs !

Turtle


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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 23:20

Juliet msg 30 what eysore are you refering to .........Paphos

andre 514


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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 23:41

msg 52:



cronos,



call me naive but I think cyprus 44 is being held to ransom



by just a few stirrers and trouiblemakers, don't you think so?



andre

cronos


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Message Posted:
29/01/2009 23:55

Andre....there is definitely the odd agent provocateur here and there on the site, but I don't think that necessarily makes them "infiltrators","GC sympathisers",or "enemies of the TRNC" as some would suggest.



The Cyprus issue is complex and multi-layered,and by its very nature attracts varied opinions.

There is no clear cut right or wrong,and some of the best posters on here are often the ones I don't necessarily 100% agree with !

pilgrim



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Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
29/01/2009 23:55

Agree, Seem set to spoil most threads. sad souls.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
30/01/2009 01:20

Dear Andre re msg 51



1/ I may have LIVED in Limassol - I wanted to be near the biz action - yet able to swim in the Med every morning - but I travelled widely and often across 90% of the island... exploring most mountain villages and reading about the places I went BEFORE and After.. always helps one's perspective when you've sen a place.



2/ Where am I coming from ? .. I was brought up in a VERY happy family environment and I never could keep my gob ( mouth) shut if I saw "wrong" .. some of my peers thought Roman Catholics were "inferior", but I grew up in a mixed community and made more friends with RCs the my own.. probably because I was told "don't" .. not by my parents.. Saw my fair share of things I wish hadn't happened.. folk being "persuaded" from their homes, then they were burnt - simply because they "kicked with the wrong foot"..



3/ My father took us to England - to protect us, and I HATED it... The English called me "Irish" .. I was brought up "British"..

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
30/01/2009 01:32

(Cont) I realised that most folk were ignorant of the plight of my "people" - the English thought all Irish planted bombs and weren't intelligent ! .. I met another "ignorance"..



4/ I married a Roman Catholic lass, whose Dad wouldn't come to the wedding as I was an Ulster prod... Duiring our courtship I met folk that had undoubtedly tried to kill British soldiers and were bitter when they lost relatives to the "Brits" .. I was in an Irish Bar in Dublin, the night the IRA tried to motor bomb John Major's cabinet.. amid jeers of disappointment as they'd missed. They knew I was a prod and a Tory, but somehow I wasn't in "danger"..



I met the folk campaigning to get the Birmingham Six released, when I remembered the crap "tw*ts had tried to give me ( as if "my kind" had done it..



I realised that were you are born, the experiences you have, and misconceptions often "blind" us.



Now I bury myself - frequently in "Lions' dens" - to try and understand all perspectives.



Simple,

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
30/01/2009 01:33

Jeez, please excuse the spelling mistakes..

cyprusishome


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Message Posted:
30/01/2009 08:34

I always find it interesting that MM makes a posting, certain parties immediatley fire off at him ignoring the topic and then blame him for going off thread!!!!!



Why not comment or answer the question being posed.



This current thread is about a topic found in a current newspaper so why not raise it again here. The place at Bafra is an abomination and the government poured millions of lira into supporting foreign companies to build these places. Meanwhile locally owned hotels are dying off daily. The current bed occupancy for the country is in the 20% range so why build hotels with further thousands of beds.



It is obvious the these hotels under construction will never achieve a decent bed occupancy to make them viable. Several of the companies building them have already given up realising their error and now we are left with huge building sites. In fact not just in Karpaz area but across the country adding to the blight of empty houses.



A moratorium must be brought in now.

craig2536


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Message Posted:
30/01/2009 11:38

Yes the hotel business is in a terrible state on the island, I would ask the question what is the break down of the occupancy percentages between the different ratings of hotels. I do not believe that the new casino based 5 star hotels are running at only 20 percent, their figures are much much higher. The mostly hotel industry here is very primative and needs desperately foreign expertise to bring it up to a world standard. The star ratings here are ridiculous how and who deciding, yes I have had personal experience with the grading system at the Pia Bela. I think the Karpaz projects will bring a new life to the dead and old fashioned hotels in that region. The older hotels will be let out as dormitory type accomadation the many hundreds of staff that will be needed. Many holiday villages and hotels are now doing that in and around Girne

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
30/01/2009 12:11

Dear toshakeyorla.. re msg 61



ask me anything and I'll tell you !! .. but haven't we "talked" before ;)?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
30/01/2009 12:17

Dear CiH re msg 62



Tanks for "jumping in " ;) .. I was in a very generous mood last night and Andre's Q is SOooo familiar to me, now I just decided to answer as "Deeply".. but, sadly, not as eloquently;)



It never ceases to AMAZE me how intelligent folk can't appreciate that having an alternative viewpoint ( and one that is more the norm out side of TR / "TRNC" ) is GC "propaganda.. !

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
30/01/2009 14:01

52,000 new hotel rooms Las Vegas Style.....New marina for 350 yachts.



Why are they building all these new hotels.marinas etc when hotel occupancy rates on the

island, are so abysmal? Where is the water coming from? Electricity? Customers..flights?



Are these developments proceeding,or suspended. If suspended why?

Political situation? ....... Funding?...........Change of heart?...World recession???????



All this seems to me to auger well for a solution to "The Reunification Talks" I personally

can't see the Greeks walking away from all this!.................Just my view, thats all.



wynyardman



wyn

cronos


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Message Posted:
30/01/2009 14:16

Wyn....it's all going to be great.



We will all get our PTP's and Kocans,and after a "settlement" our properties will treble in value!



This time next year Wyn , we'll all be millionaires !



*carries on dreaming*

cyprusishome


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Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
30/01/2009 14:21

This country does not need this style of development it will just bring it down to the level of costas etc a



Yes Craig2356 the occupancy rates are heading down to 20% in the abomination so called 5* hotels. The reason being the are only used at weekend by Greek Cypriots, Greeks, Turks, Israelis and Russians. The rest of the time they are empty.

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
30/01/2009 14:26

CiH what makes you think the country doesnt need this, I wasn't aware the elections had taken place and you had been elected to decide what happens here..Do I address you as prime minister or president?

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
30/01/2009 14:40

CIH, Msg69



You too appear to have joined our exclusive club. Welcome!



wyn

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
30/01/2009 14:49

cronus,



I applaud your enthusiasm, my thoughts are somewhat more restrained.



Personally I would settle for free title, for what I have paid for, based on assurrances from

The Government of The TRNC (Turkey) My TRNC Barrister (Ex UK Barrister) My builder

(who claimed that he had free title to the land he sold me) and last but not least, Unwins Estate Agents.



Your call Mr Talat!



wyn



wyn

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
30/01/2009 14:52

Msg71 Typing error........



Obviously a wyn, wyn situation!

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
30/01/2009 15:04

Kindly refrain from posting to me or about me...

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
30/01/2009 15:10

Whereas Dee seems to want a "No Wyn" situation !

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
30/01/2009 15:12

Blackpoolfan,



I see that we have another member!



wyn

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
30/01/2009 15:17

Cronus,



Who? I think that you are being mischieveous! Isn't being a potential millionaire good

enough for you?



wyn

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
30/01/2009 15:22

hahaha...joking apart Wyn I'd settle for full title in my name,and for it to be worth what I paid for it !



I'm a man of simple pleasures.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
30/01/2009 17:39

cronus,



"I am a man of simple pleasures"



I'm married too!



wyn

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
30/01/2009 20:17

deecyprus you must be the saddest person in this country.



You have no opinions of your own on any topic the only time you appear to post is to condemn or criticise another member. In particular wynyardman, private pike and MM.



Surely I am allowed to make a statement of my views without your stupidity.



I would go so far to request mods to review msg 69 as a personal attack

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
30/01/2009 21:01

David,

Mess 79, well said certain people on here are certainly sailing close to the wind but are still allowed to post,enough said i hope,

Paul.

wynyardman



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Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
30/01/2009 21:09

David, Paul,



Despite everyones commendable restraint, it really needed saying.



Well done!



wyn

Busy Bees Bogaz


Joined: 18/02/2008
Posts: 283

Message Posted:
30/01/2009 21:21

I am very suprised to see so much argueing here. This post was started re a complex in Bafra (sorry mmm for confustion, we can argue all night on where the true Karpaz starts, come and I will show you!!!!) But I am so horrified to see so much argression between everyone.

Please everyone. Be nice to eachother.

Maria.

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
30/01/2009 21:35

Well said Maria, it's happening all the time! It seems any thread that goes over 50 post's you can almost guarantee someone is arguing.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
30/01/2009 21:38

Hi Maria,



You are right that it was a very interesting debate being enjoyed by most members but I am afraid David and Paul had a legitimate issue.



Maria, based on your experience do YOU feel the developments discussed are 'legit', and are likely to be finished to the proposed schedule. (allowing of course for that phenomenon called

'Cyprus time.)



wyn

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
30/01/2009 21:45

Maria - I know, from experience, that a lot of these posts come from "long standing" feuds!



I am trying my hardest to refrain from posting on some threads, but it isn't always easy!



Regards



J

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Busy Bees Bogaz


Joined: 18/02/2008
Posts: 283

Message Posted:
30/01/2009 22:05

YOU LOT ARE THROWING LOTS OF QUESTIONS AT ME ON A FRIDAY NIGHT!!! AS AN AGENT I WILL DO MY UPMOST TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ANYONE HAS, I PUT MY AGENCY UP FOR THIS EVERYTIME. IF WE CAN HELP WITH ANY QUESTIONS, I GUARANTEE YOU WE WILL HELP.. WHAT MORE CAN I OFFER.! i AM HERE TO HELP. PLEASE COME SEE US. WE DO NOT BITE

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
01/02/2009 22:21

Maria,

Keep the info coming.Sorry that your interesting post was sort of hijacked,

Paul.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
03/02/2009 08:52

Hi Maria,

No matter how nice you are - you are trying to promote something historically very hard to get off the ground, made worse by a world wide recession AND on land that is likely not ( according to the ECHR) the developers to develop.



I am a keen sailor and would love to see Cyprus have some more Marinas, but not in greenfield sites..:(

Busy Bees Bogaz


Joined: 18/02/2008
Posts: 283

Message Posted:
03/02/2009 11:07

mmmmmm,



Hi, and thanks for your reply. We feel very fortunate to be able to promote this area, as through experience we are seeing many folk looking for peace and quiet and non overdevelopment. In promoting Belgravia Estates and their projects on the Karpaz actually makes are jobs a lot easier! 9 out of 10 clients fall in love with this area, and much of our business is coming from English and other Europeans who have had enough of overdevelopment on the South side and are buying here.

http://www.busybeesestateagents-cyprus.com/bluecovegallery.html

I am giving a link to our photo gallery for one of our sites we are currently marketing, and you will see work progressing at Karpaz Bay Marina. This spot is near the village of Yeni Erenkoy. All the land on which Belgravia Estates is developing is exchanged, and if anyone wishes to ask me any questions please contact me directly. info@busybeesestateagents-cyprus.com



Please note that the marina photo is number 18 out of 26

Enjoy!

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
03/02/2009 11:14

Hi Maria re msg 88



nice bit of polite avoiding the issue there, followed by a bit of marketing :D



I note the use of the term "exchanged" re the status of the land this project is being built on ..... ;)

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
03/02/2009 13:07

mmmmmm various messages,



maria has always been very upfront that busy bees sells properties

but everyone would surely agree nowadays that careful thought is required

when balancing the need to protect unpoilt wilderness

with the on-going demand for regulated and appropriate development



throughout the med some very severe restrictions are now in place

to limit past horrors that invoved building on the beach,

and overwheming an entire seaboard



on the credit side, sensitive development can actually inject

the funds required and build enthusism to nurture wildlife and countryside



finally your comments about the status of land in north cyprus

and the property issue in general follow an often-repeated formula

for which the advocates are legion, and the arguments persausive,

while many in the other camp believe this to be

a gross over-simplification of an intractable underlying conflict



andre

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
03/02/2009 17:12

msg 88



Maria without wanting to get in a debate with you, do you or your boss`s not no there is NO such thing as exchange land?????



Again you should read the article in todays cyprus mail under the news pages very interesting.....

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
03/02/2009 18:34

juliet,



this is a north cyprus forum so you may question any aspect of trnc law



north cyprus functions as a separate and independent state because:



a) the state as defined by marx is "a body of armed men" and the trnc is at the present time, albeit with allied support, unassailable on the island



b) trnc authorities negociating face-to-face with the republic of cyprus

are of necessity being treated by nicosia as having the authority of a state

ie practical control over its territory

and, most significantly, of proper status to sign a re-unification agreement

(if such a document should ever appear)



c) north cyprus has its own judicial educational and taxation structure



d) north cyprus has its own legal system within which "exchange land"

exists as an integral part of local trnc property law only



paradoxically it's because of propaganda campaigns fostering uncertainty,

that "exchange" land and property is actually such very good value for money!



andre

Cabbie


Joined: 30/01/2009
Posts: 95

Message Posted:
03/02/2009 18:42

QUESTION



exchange land is this by MUTUAL CONSENT ?



If not then can it really / should it be called exchange land



Perhaps it should be called " spoils of war land "

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
03/02/2009 18:46

Or just plain stolen land.

Cabbie


Joined: 30/01/2009
Posts: 95

Message Posted:
03/02/2009 18:53

I would not say that, Poland got loads of land from Germany after ww2. no one is asking that it be returned to Germany or calling it " stolen land".



Ireland has had its problems and no one is suggesting land in the north is returned to owners who fled south.



Korea has a north and south and refugees from both sides..................



So why do Cypriots feel they are unique having LOST a war they want land lost in that war returned to them....... perhaps their empathy with hamas is a little obvious.

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
03/02/2009 23:50

the masses who lost out in these troubles (on both sides of the green line)

are only likely to gain anything if there were ever to be

a fair and reasonable compromise over the issues that partitioned the island



I think that if both sides were truly serious about a settlement

there would have been created an atmosphere of trust and give and take

which appears to exist here hardly at all, or not at all



we are not talking about right or wrong as such because all the protagonists

will have an "axe to grind" even their mini-me surrogates on this little forum



cabbie is right to mention various divisions some which have been partly

resolved but few or none I can think of have resulted in individual restitution



andre