Abbreviations....re Carol Thatcher

maybemike


Joined: 12/01/2009
Posts: 188

Message Posted:
06/02/2009 08:35

Why does calling a pakistani a paki cause so much trouble and outrage.



If you are British you are called a brit

Turkish ....turk

Polish ... pole

Australian ..an aussie

Greece...greek....etc etc....



The world is going PC crazy...

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
06/02/2009 09:27

French....Frog



You're right maybemike........the PC brigade seem to be going too far.

Aga Buyers A G


Joined: 04/10/2007
Posts: 488

Message Posted:
06/02/2009 09:33

so if we call those from Poland - Poles



Why are those from Holland not called ........



wait for it...............







a little longer............





Holes ??????

batterboy58



Joined: 20/04/2008
Posts: 442

Message Posted:
06/02/2009 10:01

If someone points at someone and says, "that person looks like one of those black dolls that we used to see when we were young" would this still be deemed offensive in these idiots eyes. I don't see what difference using the actual word makes.



I remembered back to the 70s and a sitcom called "Love Thy Neighbour" where a white and black neighbour called each other Nig Nog, Sambo, Honky etc. This programme was very funny and popular at the time.



It would never be allowed on air now.

Have we made to abandon our sense of humour

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
06/02/2009 10:24

You'd only get away with it if your name was Jonathan Woss or Russell Brand

frontalman



Joined: 28/02/2008
Posts: 499

Message Posted:
06/02/2009 11:34

You are talking about 'Love thy Neighbour' with the late Jack Smethurst and the black guy whose name escapes me but is in Eastenders at present. The show highlighted the white neighbour's ignorance against their neighbours' superior manners and enlightened outlook. But you are right, we'll never see it again.

frontalman



Joined: 28/02/2008
Posts: 499

Message Posted:
06/02/2009 11:36

By the way the term 'Paki' is offensive because it has been used in an offensive way and derogatory way for years. I don't think that can be defended.

Bladerunner


Joined: 10/01/2009
Posts: 204

Message Posted:
06/02/2009 11:43

What about the gollie wog makers another firm credit crunched

batterboy58



Joined: 20/04/2008
Posts: 442

Message Posted:
06/02/2009 17:43

If I said I was going down the Paki shop to get a paper, it would not be meant in an offensive way. If I was truly racist I would not be patronising them in the first place.

It is surely more to do with the context.



Do we take offence at" Pommie Bastard", "English Pig" "Scouse Git" in all of these it is the second word that we would take exception with.

Cabbie


Joined: 30/01/2009
Posts: 95

Message Posted:
06/02/2009 19:10

well i am off to the chinky for some good food

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
06/02/2009 20:44

Ohhhhhhhhhhh batterboy you are sailing close to the wind with your remarks - I would stop now before some oneputs you in the hole you are digging ! and the point of it is apart from airing insulting sayings

daily


Joined: 01/01/2008
Posts: 84

Message Posted:
06/02/2009 23:35

maybemike



You seem to be suggesting that paki, brit, aussie, turk, greek etc. are synonyms - all used to make a factual description of someone's ethnicity; they are not and yours is the argument typically used to attempt to justify a term that the whole world over knows to be, at best, offensive and, at worst, racist.

If you actually thought that paki is just another word shortened for ease of use to make a factual reference, then you clearly don't think enough.

Sorry, but I find your reasoning offensive. One of my young pakistani students -a delightful 14 year old girl - was verbally attacked outside her own home the other night. A stranger approached and shouted 'Oi paki why don't you just piss off back where you belong!' I believe it is never acceptable to use this term.

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
06/02/2009 23:44

A great hang-out for the closet racists, this, with a few honourable exceptions.



Anyone who thinks "golliwog" is acceptable obviously condones "wog", a word I'm happy to say I haven't heard being spoken in years.

Static-X


Joined: 18/12/2008
Posts: 197

Message Posted:
06/02/2009 23:52

I think the term 'paki' originated from racist 80's English skinheads.

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
07/02/2009 00:14

I think Carol Thatcher looks like a golliwog, well a bit like a blond middle aged one, whose had a bad hair day and had some serious Photoshop image workover, and told to shut the jolly well up and apologize by the BBC!



She told them what they could do with an apology, something about putting it where the sun doesn't shine and so was given the order of the boot.



God, don't you love it here in the jolly old TR of NC.



All this wittering on about golliwogs and Carol Thatcher and then told that photos of Mars are nothing to do with boring postings about restuarants/properties/kocans/PTPs/GCs/MMMMMMM/Where can I buy a toaster/Flights to Ercan etc and they shouldn't be posted as they have nothing to do with the TRNC!



Well, whoopy jolly do. I'm off to choir practice. You all have a nice day. What next?



An urgent appeal by the Kyrenia Hamster Society?



Lem

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
07/02/2009 00:20

well pc has gone mad i wuld be a multi millionaire now if it was in way back every day in school go back to your killing country you fxxxxxg paddy you ira killers. when guido first came to uk he was always refered to as a WOP WHAT THE HELL IS A WOP. LEM enjoy your choir practice xxx

Arthur


Joined: 04/11/2008
Posts: 687

Message Posted:
07/02/2009 00:20

I'm afraid that some things have got rather silly. There are MOBO [music of black origin] awards, but if there were MOWOs one might assume that the KKK were involved and there would be tremendous opposition. There are many examples of where "black" is touted as a legitimate description where the use of white couldn't possibly be used without howls of abuse. Let's just have a level playing field.

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
07/02/2009 02:44

In the world of Social Services it is no longer acceptable to ask for a black coffee it is deemed racist. You have to ask for a coffee without milk, no mention of a white coffee though. Crazy or what?........

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
07/02/2009 09:51

Daily I think you need to get out more

ronaldo


Joined: 14/11/2007
Posts: 372

Message Posted:
07/02/2009 10:34

Hi Daily This person you describe is surely A racist Bigot. 'Oi paki why don't you just piss off back where you belong!' I believe it is never acceptable to use this term. If he had said 'Oi (Pakistani) would this be accetable.?

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
07/02/2009 11:00

The term "paki" is not just a shortened term for Pakistani as a large number of the people on the receiving end are probably Indian or from Bangladesh or Ugandan asians or more probably UK born and bred.



It is an insulting term used by those of little intelligence .



Golliwogs may have been a harmless toy to some people but the name is derived from the use of the word wog which is a perjorative term for those with black skin. As mentioned above not a word much in use nowadays thankfully.



Does the very use of the word golliwog mean someone is racist? Probably not but it does mean that they are insensitive and don't understand the issues behind the racism problem.



Just my opinion but I am happier with that than apologists for Miss Thatcher although I am prepared to believe that there was an issue here with who her mother was.



Harold

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
07/02/2009 11:14

The term WOG comes from westernised oriental gentleman. As explained by a black African gentleman on radio 2 this week.

P

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
07/02/2009 11:46

we have 2 sri lankan brother in laws niether mind being called paki.

not by family anyway.

one of them was visiting us when we were living in suffolk.

he went to the village shop with hubby for some supplies.

the shop keeper called him cheif!

that he found offensive.

hubby told the shop keeper he was talking the p---.

we never shopped in there again!

daily


Joined: 01/01/2008
Posts: 84

Message Posted:
07/02/2009 12:26

Just to reiterate - i think it is never acceptable to use this term - of course there are ridiculous examples of pc gone mad but this just isn't one of them!

batterboy58



Joined: 20/04/2008
Posts: 442

Message Posted:
07/02/2009 12:28

I have a plan today to begin a clear out of unwanted staff in my business, I do not wish to pay redundancy money so what I will do is

Strike up conversations with selected employees and ask them if they remember the black dolls that you used to be able to get when we were younger or the labels on the jam jars, what were they called?

When they reply with the word Golliwog, I will sack them on the spot, with no comeback whatsoever.



Ridiculous right?

Or is it

daily


Joined: 01/01/2008
Posts: 84

Message Posted:
07/02/2009 12:34

What a ridiculous argument - are you really running your own business?

batterboy58



Joined: 20/04/2008
Posts: 442

Message Posted:
07/02/2009 12:40

Is it really, and yes I am running my own business.

sparta


Joined: 24/10/2008
Posts: 226

Message Posted:
07/02/2009 12:43

lets face it

A paki is a paki at the end of the day!! a wog is a wog, a honky is a honky a wop is a wop a chink is a chink

who gives a sh#t really..

batterboy58



Joined: 20/04/2008
Posts: 442

Message Posted:
07/02/2009 12:47

And a Golly is Golly

So why the need for them to vanish forever, why not rename them.

Or is it the image that is deemed offensive by the PC.



Bring back the Golly

Long live the Golly

sparta


Joined: 24/10/2008
Posts: 226

Message Posted:
07/02/2009 12:48

if you are proud of the coulor of your skin, it would not matter what anyone says.. water off a ducks back..

scotsguy


Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 249

Message Posted:
07/02/2009 14:18

Funny isn't it, when you want to dare raise a question on any race/gender/religion issues in Britain, seems with the so called politcal correctiveness idiots (that have ruined the country) you just can't win, speak out/raise a concern - your racist, write a comment/or reply on a forum like this - wow your now a closet racist, what the hell happened to freedom of speech??? are we not allowed to have our own opinions or views any more, have we all got to conform as to what these idiot preach to us???

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
07/02/2009 14:39

Message 23 - the term "chief" was widely used many years ago, as a general term, such as "mate". My father used it regularly to anyone whose name he didn't know, e.g. in a shop, buying a newspaper, "thanks chief". I certainly have never viewed the use of this term even vaguely racist.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
07/02/2009 14:44

Bet You By God Golly Gee , thats a song sang by ?? Shilites / stylistics ....

ronaldo


Joined: 14/11/2007
Posts: 372

Message Posted:
07/02/2009 14:50

My Next door neighbour is a Pakistani doctor. The other day he knocked on my door and said to me Mr Ronaldo I am a better man than you! to which i replied ! How due make that out Son ! and his answer was I aint got a F-king Paki living next door to Me!

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
07/02/2009 14:50

Pat - Bet You By Golly Wow??? Can't remember who it was by. No doubt it would be banned from the airways if it was released now. Or even not released!!





J

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
07/02/2009 14:59

I knew it was something like that Jean

Pat