Petition to recognize Turkish Intervention was not illegal

kibrissibel


Joined: 18/02/2008
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Message Posted:
10/02/2009 09:25

Please sign the petition:

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/KuzeyKibris/



Sibel

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
10/02/2009 09:48

As there's many UN Security Council resolutions on file, asking all third party nations' armies ( Greece Turkey) to leave Cyprus....,



Even if TR was right to intervene - which it wasn't.. the UN were mandated to be "peace-keepers"- and Turkey had signed up to that - ethnic cleansing, partitioning of a nation and many recorded and condemned acts of HR abuses ensued and MORE people lost their lives / were injured in a short period of time that at any time in recorded CY History since the Ottomans ...



Better to create a petition asking for UK help in Cyprus re the future - not irrelevant- and incorrect ( do check with the UN ) actions of the past...

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
10/02/2009 09:54

Hi mmmmmmmm,



Ignoring all your other comments above, please clarify what you mean by "Even if TR was right to intervene - which it wasn't.."

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
10/02/2009 09:59

mmmmm......I note that you put "peacekeepers" in quotation marks.

Is this because unfortunately the UN are not allowed to keep the peace proper,and just monitor the ongoing atrociities as in Bosnia/Serbia ?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
10/02/2009 10:11

Dear "TRNC"Vaughan re msg 3



Hi !



WHY should we "ignore" the rest, when it clearly explains what you're asking me ?! ...



You may have your opinion, but I'll take the UN's ...which is the higher authority ? ;)



This is a very old "argument", Vaughan, we've done it SO many times.. Sign the petition, it's not going to achieve anything..



There are more productive petitions that could be created..

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
10/02/2009 10:14

Dear Cronos re msg 4



Yes, the "" were there as the UN's mandates are normally pretty useless when someone with a will to ignore the role of the UN starts shooting..



:(



The Greek and Turkish Armies were asked to leave several times...

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
10/02/2009 10:41

Come on mmmmmmmmmmm,



Article 3 of the Treaty of Guarantee states ".......In so far as common or concerted action may prove impossible, each of the three guaranteeing Powers reserves the right to take action with the sole aim of re-establishing the state of affairs established by the present Treaty."



It's quite clear from the above that Turkey was well within its rights to intervene. Whether it was within its rights AFTER intervention is another matter and not relevant to this thread.

Chicken Run


Joined: 11/10/2008
Posts: 252

Message Posted:
10/02/2009 10:53

I agree with TRNCV. Turkey acted within their rights as one of the Guarantee States and had they not then you would probably be looking at Cyprus being a totally Greek island now.



As far as the petition goes, I am going to sign it, but I agree with mmmmmmm (and i don't agree with alot he says), it's unlikely to achieve anything!

WAZ-24-7



Joined: 18/10/2008
Posts: 695

Message Posted:
10/02/2009 21:21

TRNC Vaughan,

A valid point. Turkey,s intervention in 1974 was indeed within the terms of the Treaty of Guarentee.



The continued presence of the Turkish Army is more contentious. It is clearly the case that peace has prevailed since the intervention. What would happen if the army departed tomorrow? The citizens of the TRNC would most likely feel a great deal less secure and somewhat vulnerable and exposed.



I too believe that this petition serves little purpose in the TRNC.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
10/02/2009 21:28

Hey "TRNC"Vaughan re msg 7



We have had this discussion in 2003 AND 2004 ..



1/ Which is the highest legal body on this Earth apart from "God".. the UN.. DID, or did NOT, the UN issue 7 ( SEVEN) resolutions asking all non = sovereign forces to desist and leave



2/ During July 1974 the TR army was not particularly effective - considering it's ( on paper) superiority..because the GCs still had ammo.. it ran out as the island was blockaded..



3/ Now think how easy it would have been to stop ammo supplies from Greece and Turkey - the UN WAS trying...



4/ The Coup would never have lasted if TR had threatened to invade Greece - as it was the Greek Junta collapsed as Greek officers refused to move against TR..



5 IF, a BIG if, we had had a rt wing GC govt, THEY would have been the ones who were ostracised, and how long do you think they would have lasted - if blockaded?



6/ Let's say, TR was "right" to come.. WHY did they stay? The "deep sate" was looking for the excuse..that's

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
10/02/2009 21:29

( cont) TCs left AFTER the "peace movement"...

andre 514


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Message Posted:
10/02/2009 21:52

Turkey nearly invaded in '67 in response to intercommunal strife on the island,

but at the last moment they were persuaded not to by the US and UN.

This led to the Vance mission and the 1968 "communal talks".

When you remember the 1960 "power-sharing constitution" was suspended by Makarios in '63, independent commentators feel Turkey showed restraint.



Nato Turkey was very loyal to the west throughout the entire cold war

but the current UN mediator, Downey, questions why Britain did nothing in '74.

The greek military junta in cahoots with extreme nationalist elements blindly

steered Cyprus towards the partition catastrophe that was to become its fate



I'm on a N. cyprus forum, love Cyprus and the TRNC and shall sign of course



Andre

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
10/02/2009 22:11

Dear Andre re msg 12



When TR looked like it was going to invade on earlier occasions.. the persuasion was - if you try - the Royal Navy will consider your invasion fleet "hostile".



In 1974, if you read US and UK "secret" flies now available.. you'll find that Kissinger was playing the Greek Junta - whilst agreeing with TR how much of Cyprus they could have..



TR asked the UK if they could land on the SBA bases - which was refused - and the US - shades of Suez - *told* Callaghan - NOT to impede the Turks .



If you think that this wasn't a TR and Denktash "agenda"you "surprise" me...



You can LOVE Cyprus and it's people and help by campaigning for ideas for the future.. "TRNC" ain't ever going to be anything other than a failed "experiment".

andre 514


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Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
10/02/2009 22:17

mmmmmmm msg 12



you don't have to sign if you disagree with with the petition



and you hold the contrary view which you back up very competantly,



so what exactly are you doing on a north cyprus forum then?



I'm genuinely curious



andre

WAZ-24-7



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Posts: 695

Message Posted:
10/02/2009 22:33

Andre,

I too feel that Turkey showed restraint in the early seventies. Of course they advanced beyond what was necessary to secure the TC community. They did however restrain from a total takeover of the Island which could so easily have been achieved given their military superiority.



The current political landscape, which is far more relevant, shows Turkey again as one of the biggest military forces in Eastern Mediteranean. Turkey, Like Cyprus has significant strategic value by virtue of their geographical position.

Turkey does and will continue to influence this region and is in favour of the USA and to lesser extent the UK and EU.

The future of the TRNC is on the Turkish agenda. The major players within the international community pay some heed to Turkey given that countries strength and influence.

The back room talks have, in my view, been going on for many years the pressure is now on for a solution particularly as the middle east remains such a cauldron of instability.

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
10/02/2009 22:42

Hi all,

I still think that if the eu push Turkey to far they will turn their back on europe and go with the middle east,

Paul.

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
10/02/2009 22:43

RE msg 15, WAZ-24-7 : (...) Turkey, Like Cyprus has significant strategic value by virtue of their geographical position. (...)



===> The strategic value of Cyprus? Maybe for the UK and France (they want a naval base in Limassol or Paphos - I forgot the exact place where the French want to show their idiocy). The USA's Sixth Fleet doesn't need Cyprus at all.



===> The strategic value of Turkey? Not militarily, I think. But economically? Yes. And the words here are oil/gas and pipelines.

andre 514


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Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
10/02/2009 22:48

paul,



I agree totally,



turkey is a proud country and one day they will tire

of constant rejection by the west

and the outcome of that will make little cyprus look like a sideshow



andre

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
10/02/2009 23:46

Msg 1 was a request to sign a petition.....You can do so or not.



then MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM as usual has to put 6 messages (more to come) on spouting his Sth of the Island guff. Reminds me of a certain person with a pretty sailors outfit.

andre 514


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Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
10/02/2009 23:58

dc,



why didn't the germans try to occupy cyprus in ww2?



yes I know you didn't have your own place-setting at the "wolf's lair"

but if they'd won the battle of el alamein then they could have zipped up

the levant to link with their caucasus army in autumn '42:

this would have have cut english access to the suez canal and the east,

and consolidated their breakthrough at the stalingrad hinge

cutting off russian access to the caspian oilfields and er... won the war



cyprus would have been a supply base



"cyprus" features in h g well's "things to come" the 30's film version

directed by the korda brothers where the "skymen" operate from cyprus island,

although some others say the skymen operate from the raven cafe,

and watch premier league



andre

paddy1966


Joined: 29/06/2008
Posts: 37

Message Posted:
11/02/2009 00:36

MMMMMMMMMMMM



I think you are talking B******s (as usual)

WAZ-24-7



Joined: 18/10/2008
Posts: 695

Message Posted:
11/02/2009 00:39

DC mesg 17,



Thanks for your comment.



Turkey in fact has the second biggest army in NATO. The Country itself has long had geographical and strategic importance because it represents the cross roads between West and East.



The USA rely considerably upon Turkey as a staging post for missions into the middle east.

Cyprus represents the UK staging post to the Middle East particularly Afghanistan.



Considering the significant importance of Turkey and Cyprus on the current middle eastern and mediteranean field of operations and also considering the influence upon each that Turkey exhibits. It would be fair to comment that Turkey is indeed a major player in this crutial and important region.

Tiggy


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Message Posted:
11/02/2009 00:48

Paddy 1966....he is TYPING it !!

andre 514


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Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
11/02/2009 00:50

paddy,



your reaction to mmmmmmmms fevered postings is understandable



but unpopular views are not wrong in themselves,

maybe should even be welcomed

and he does have very considerable layers of knowledge

to back up his personal beliefs



I just wonder exactly what the guy hopes to achieve

on our little north cyprus forum

after all, I'm not mad keen on golf so I'm hardly likely

to write into the letters page of golfing monthly every fifteen minutes



maybe it's some sort of low-key james bond-type operation

but using the scatter-gun approach (I choose my words with care)



andre

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
11/02/2009 09:39

Hi mmmmmmmmmmmmmm,



Your msg 10.



Your items 1 to 5 are irrelevent, but I am glad to see that in item 6 you do "conceed" that Turkey was within its rights to intervene, as the initial thread posting refers, Whether it was legal to stay or not is not in question here.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
11/02/2009 09:48

Dear Andre re msg 20



"so what exactly are you doing on a north cyprus forum then? "



This is the 4th time you've asked, in two weeks.. I've even included a link, when you asked the third time..



Yesterday you were complaining "you don't read my posts properly"...!

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
11/02/2009 09:57

Dear "TRNC" Vaughan re msg 25



"Your items 1 to 5 are irrelevent" . OK, so the UN isn't the highest legal authority - the one that TR signed up to, agreed to - re the UN peace-keeping mandate in Cyprus - and -along with Greece - ignored...



"I am glad to see that in item 6 you do "conceed" that Turkey was within its rights to intervene"



:-O ... NOT what I said.. I DID "let's say" .. That is isn't conceding anything !



The events of 74 were "engineered" - with the Cypriots as Pawns.. so as TR could come and say "we saved you"..

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
11/02/2009 10:05

Hi mmmmmmmmmmm,



"The events of 74 were "engineered" - with the Cypriots as Pawns.. so as TR could come and say "we saved you"...



That may or may not have been the case but it is neither here nor there as regards the legality of the intervention. I think you must conceed that TR was well within its rights legally if not morally (as you suggest) to intervene and that is what is in question here, nothing else.

deecyprus4


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Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
11/02/2009 10:22

mmmmmmmmm have you signed the petition?

sparta


Joined: 24/10/2008
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Message Posted:
11/02/2009 10:24

just sign the form mmmmmmm, you know its right..

breezyboy


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Posts: 1179

Message Posted:
11/02/2009 15:48

Paddy , mmmmm has the right to type as many re-hashes of the dear departed Pike's material.

As with Pike we dont have to read them but they come in handy ( just like Pike's ) when you can't get off to sleep and need boring rigid.

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mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
11/02/2009 17:17

Dear Breezyboy re msg 31



Be assured MY material is mine and no-one else's .. I'm very pleased I can help with your insomnia problem..



Better, though, to examine the cause of your problem..instead of suggesting *I* have one ;) ,,

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
11/02/2009 17:26

mmmmm you don't have a problem ...you are the problem

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
11/02/2009 17:41

Dear "TRNC"Vaughan



re msg 28



If the situation was "engineered" .. which it WAS .. it is admitted in UK / US records available publicly, now - then I think the legal and moral question is "irrelevant".. as much so as the petition.



Knowing the truth I would ask you how you can still talk about morals.. the whole thing was planned and the STUPID right wing Cyps and Greek Military Junta fell for it - leaving innocent Cyps the "victims"..

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
11/02/2009 20:06

Hi mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm,



We are not talking about morals, we are talking about legality. If the world of politics was decided on morals rather than legality, what a different place we would all be living in. The Cyps are paying the price, but the thread still needs answering;

Was the intervention legal? - Yes.

Was it engineered? - Quite possibly.

Was it morally justified? - Not relevant to the thread.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
11/02/2009 20:30

Hi "TRNC"Vaughan



This is really is deja vu time, my old adversary.. we've done this "argument" SO many times..



1/ YOU brought up morals - not me ;)



2/ Legality ? - again the UN repeatedly asked Greece and TR to "bugger off" out of Cyprus



So - I reckon you "snookered" yourself on both fronts.. Look forward to drinking a pint with you next time.. I was the driving last time.. :(

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
12/02/2009 02:06

11 posts (so far) from MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM boy it does wonders forthe ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. I can't keep my eyes open trying to count them.



Further updates to follow. Surely he has signed the petition by now!

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
12/02/2009 09:00

Dear Tiggy re msg 37



As I'm responding to, or mentioned in this thread TWELVE times.. I'd say that was nearly showing signs of "restraint" :P

Tiggy


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Message Posted:
12/02/2009 12:30

I suppose so!

hytulay


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Message Posted:
12/02/2009 14:11

Turkey was right to intervene, they was warned to stop regarding eoka etc.. otherwise they would have wiped out all the TC...

andre 514


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Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
12/02/2009 14:12

tiggy,



he's entitled to his own opinions and has gathered a lot of info to back them up



but I think he cannot physically mmmmmmmmmmmaintain this level of activity



and one day soon will simply fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffade away



andre

andre 514


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Message Posted:
12/02/2009 14:30

ps the hardest-hitting posting I ever read was actually from private pike:



after I posted a very long, highly persuasive or not, and metiulously supported

yet surprisingly light-hearted reply to some such nonsense or other, he replied

"good post"



how important to keep a sense of humour even concerning important matters



andre

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
12/02/2009 14:45

Dear Andre re msg 42



As you know Pike, Eric Seans, etc keep getting banned - so it it difficult to be too "hard hiting" ;)



As for my stamina - as "TRNC" Vaughan and "Duchie Hans" will testify - I'm still standing....



Thanks for your concern !

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
12/02/2009 15:15

Dear All, I went to look at the petition (219 signatures - some of whom are from folk who are not UK resident, tut, tut) and wish to point out the LEGAL ( are you there "TRNC" Vaughan ?! ) reasons why the petitions is "silly".



"On 30 July 1974 the powers agreed that the withdrawal of Turkish troops from the island of Northern Cyprus should be linked to a `just and lasting settlement acceptable to all parties concerned'...

Who are these "powers".. ?

Might I remind you of the wording of the UN resolutions nearest to the date:

" Requests the withdrawal without delay from the Republic of Cyprus of foreign military personnel present ...

http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr353.htm



or 1st Aug.. Noting that all States have declared their respect for the sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of Cyprus,



http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr355.htm

LondonCypriot


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Message Posted:
12/02/2009 17:05

And how about the Iraqi invasion? In this world its all about Power.

kibrissibel


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Message Posted:
12/02/2009 17:42

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Yawn!

bachelibelly


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Posts: 275

Message Posted:
12/02/2009 19:01

Don't know enough about the rights and wrongs of intervention etc etc or the wars of the last centuries ,BUT IMHO we are all missing the bigger picture touched on by an earlier poster...



There are only two real factors in most conflicts and the main one has little or no effect on the surface of the planet as it is situated below ground ;.I refer to of course what makes the world go round and where the power really lies ...Gas and Oil Resrves ...............Oh and of course........ Religion !

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
13/02/2009 10:00

Hi mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm,



Your 44.



Everything you state and the links you refer to are all very fine and well, but they all have one thing in common, they refer to events POST intervention.

The purpose of the petition is to get recognition that the intervention itself was not illegal. What happened AFTER the intervention, and who said what/when is not in question here.



Let me make it easier for you-

1. Was Turkey within its rights to intervene? Yes or No.

2. Was Turkey within its rights to remain after the intervention? Yes or No.



You can answer both questions but please note this thread is only seeking the answer to question 1.

Question 2 is a seperate issue and not relevant to this thread.

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
13/02/2009 10:24

Hi mmmmmmmmmmmmmm,



Your 44.



You need to read the petition again old lad.



As regards eligibility it says:

"You must be a British citizen or resident to sign the petition."



Last time I looked I was still a British Citizen.



I am quite sure that the other petitioners who are British Citizens but are not UK residents, as well as myself, will accept the apology you are about to offer.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
13/02/2009 10:28

TRNCVaughan I am a british citizen but I do not want an apology, I want his head on a platter...

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
13/02/2009 10:52

Dear "TRNC" Vaughan re msg 49



I most HUMBLY apologise... you are correct... I WAS WRONG.. :( . I misread the "rules" - no excuses..

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
13/02/2009 11:08

Dear "TRNC" Vaughan re msg 48



As we are picking each up on "faux pas" !



Could you help me understand how a August 1 1974 UN Resolution being *post* intervention isn't relevant? Post or Ante.. the reasoning is the same.. the UN asked GR and TR to "butt out" ..



If you doubt that Turkey or Greece didn't agree with a UN resolution to allow the UN to be THE peace makers:



http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr186.htm - this of course is "ante"









So:



YES, TR was wrong to intervene - the UN was mandated to do this job - GR and TR troops had no biz being in Cyprus or supplying arms to fuel the problem



YES, they should not of stayed..nor Imported Mainland Turks to fill the "desert" left by GCs ( AND TCs ) who left and couldn't / didn't want to come back..

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
13/02/2009 13:42

Hi mmmmmmmmmmmm,



The Treaty of Guarantee predeeded Security Council Resolution (186) and remained in place. This is clearly considered within the resolution. Given that the UN failed to do what it proposed to do under recommendation 5, Turkey was within its rights to revert to the terms of the treaty and intervened.

The Intervention was not illegal.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
13/02/2009 13:55

Dear "TRNC" Vaughan



re msg 53



Who said: "Everything you state and the links you refer to are all very fine and well, but they all have one thing in common, they refer to events POST intervention.



The purpose of the petition is to get recognition that the intervention itself was not illegal."



Now we know that:



1/ Turkey is a member of the UN



2/ GR and TR Military were asked to "butt out" by the UN - ignored..



Which is the highest mortal legal body on earth - concerning International Relations / conduct



Did or did not TR and GR agree that the UN should be the peace-keepers?



Did or did not GR and TR arm the "tribes" and get involved ?



The answer is YES to the two questions above - no excuses.. and IF they had been complied with - the UN could - probably - have done it's job.



TR and GR agreed to UN peace-keeping in 1963.. The UN had to keep reminding / asking them to desist LONG before 74 ( 1967?)



Historical ante and post evidence to show GR and TRs

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
13/02/2009 13:56

acts were illegal and contrary to their compliance to the UN charter and specific resolutions to let the UN do it's job.

Macha


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Message Posted:
13/02/2009 15:48

newlad:



''I still think that if the eu push Turkey to far they will turn their back on europe and go with the middle east''



I don't thınk this would happen ın a millıon years. For a start secularıty ıs at the heart of Kemalısm and, lınked to thıs, the TR army would not allow ANY lınks wıth Islamıc republıcs whıch covertly or overtly host Al-Quada.

Macha


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Message Posted:
13/02/2009 15:52

Tıggy:



''Reminds me of a certain person with a pretty sailors outfit''



Whatever turns you on. There's another two ın the set - offıcer's tropıcal whıtes or desert cammo combats - you can almost smell the sweat and cordıte. ;)

kibrissibel


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Posts: 562

Message Posted:
16/02/2009 18:20

How sad. 20,000 foreign buyers here, several thousand members of this board and only 287 signatures on the petition.

Apathy never changed a thing.

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
16/02/2009 19:00

Macha



'I don't thınk this would happen ın a millıon years. For a start secularıty ıs at the heart of Kemalısm and, lınked to thıs, the TR army would not allow ANY lınks wıth Islamıc republıcs whıch covertly or overtly host Al-Quada.'



Fact

Turkey is a founder member of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference (since 1969).

Perhaps you need to aquaint yourself with this organisation and its charter and also just have a little look at who the other member (also observer) states are.

http://www.oic-oci.org/home.asp

Happy reading.

AJ

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
16/02/2009 19:07

re 58 Kirissibel



..and why did you think a petition that would change nothing - and was the legal basis of TR's "argument" to *try* to stop RoC accession to the EU would gain popular support?



Now if you made one asking the UK govt to ensure ex pats would be "looked after" in any Cyprus settlement - I'll bet you'd get more interest...

BillyB


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Message Posted:
16/02/2009 19:31

mmummmummy

What about the Romans?

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
16/02/2009 20:50

Back to the top.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
16/02/2009 23:09

Macha

Maybe you missed my posting No.59

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
17/02/2009 00:04

Oh dear John you are not taking the bait are you?

Tiggy


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Message Posted:
17/02/2009 01:07

Dear all,



Is not the venimous Private Pike and all his other names not banned from this forum? The peckerhead macha has given himself away.



the forum seemd to be getting back on track a litle and now we have Mr Doom & Gloom back to hijack the well intentioned threads,



I have signed the petiton.



Pity

Macha


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Posts: 650

Message Posted:
17/02/2009 01:10

Our day didn't come. So it didn't.

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
17/02/2009 01:22

Msg 2 mmmmm,touchy,touchy......bit of neuralgia paraesthetica going on......scratch that itch!

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
17/02/2009 01:30

Msg 21 Paddy 1966.......less really is more.....I love your intuitive thought process.

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
17/02/2009 01:35

" it is admitted in UK / US records available publicly"......I'm going to start calling you mmmmm & mmmmm,s...they are the sweets that look nice,but once you have eaten a couple,you know they taste like "merd" and stimulate hyperemesis!

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
17/02/2009 10:12

Dear Clarets re 67/ 69



1/ I rather think I'm the "itch" you feel you have to scratch..



2/ "touchy touhcy" . more like touché - but you know that, really - as I don't see any substantive "counter"..



3/ You can call me what you like.. but better still you could try addressing the points with something more intelligent than offering suggested afflictions I might be suffering from .. ;)

canyavuz


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 363

Message Posted:
28/03/2009 16:46

as much as i support the intervention, i must say that the petition is pointless.....

like the UK is really going to listen to a few poxy petitions!