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juliet

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Message Posted: 11/02/2009 19:26 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 1 of 89 in Discussion |
| www.famagusta-gazette.com why have these not been looked after in the last 34 years!? |
batterboy58


Joined: 20/04/2008 Posts: 442
Message Posted: 11/02/2009 19:37 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 3 of 89 in Discussion |
| More GC propaganda, to try to excuse themselves for all the TC monuments they have destroyed or neglected. Go and see Kyrenia Castle for yourself to see the truth. |
juliet

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Message Posted: 11/02/2009 19:40 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 4 of 89 in Discussion |
| hi nige, the cemetary was a one off done by thugs, goes on all the time in the uk! but kyrenia castle & the famagusta walls are apart of cyprus history & have been left to rot! don`t think you can see the problems of the castle from the quey side! |
Littlenige


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Message Posted: 11/02/2009 19:42 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 5 of 89 in Discussion |
| No it was not this took place years ago I have photos of loads of desecrations that have taken place on BOTH SIDES . They are as bad as each other . |
Woodspeckie

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Message Posted: 11/02/2009 19:57 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 6 of 89 in Discussion |
| Only need to look at the cemetery opposite Pia Bella Hotel, its a shame the look like Greek graves. |
juliet

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Message Posted: 11/02/2009 19:58 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 7 of 89 in Discussion |
| please put them on your forum & then we can swap. |
DONTY

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Message Posted: 11/02/2009 19:59 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 8 of 89 in Discussion |
| I believe the GC's have received lots of funding to repair and replace whereas due to political embargoes etc we get very little. Perhaps Juliet you can protest to the RoC to allow more money to flow in for these needed projects? |
AlsancakJack


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Message Posted: 11/02/2009 20:02 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 9 of 89 in Discussion |
| juliet 'the cemetary was a one off done by thugs, goes on all the time in the uk!' What goes on all the time in the UK? GC thugs wrecking TC cemeteries? I really think you have lost the plot. And if you had any in the first then your credibility has reached -50 on the 'sensibility of postings' scale. AJ |
juliet

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Message Posted: 11/02/2009 20:56 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 10 of 89 in Discussion |
| AJ You obviously don`t read the news! the muslim cemetary was in use for all muslims not just tcs from 34yrs ago! yes thugs not yet been caught so how can you say they are gcs! cyprus is a very multicultural country now! did you manage to read the article in the famagusta gazette about the topic at the top? |
mmmmmm


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Message Posted: 11/02/2009 21:09 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 11 of 89 in Discussion |
| Dear AJ re msg 9 Dave Limas(s)ol has PLENTY of Syrian, Iraqi, Saudi and Lebanese folk who either live or have property. They attend Mosques - if that is their religion, and they get buried in the cemeteries. Cyprus enjoys very good relations with Arabic countries. Not for the first time, recently, you have got it "wrong" re the attitude of Cypriots - esp in Limas(s)ol - who are amongst the most multi- culturally experienced.. I'd say they are far more tolerant than most nationalities who have such high numbers of foreigners. Unfortunately every "village" has it's idiots.. but don't try and make capital or label the majority as thugs.. The "rump" RoC takes a VERY hard line with any GC who is found abusing a TC.. they can't afford the bad publicity, and the press is open enough that the incidents get reported.. That's why we are discussing it. |
pilgrim


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Message Posted: 11/02/2009 21:39 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 13 of 89 in Discussion |
| visited othello tower (famagusta walls) liked it as it not commercialized , able to wander and enjoy without restrictions normal in UK |
Littlenige


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Message Posted: 11/02/2009 21:47 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 14 of 89 in Discussion |
| juliet ??? please put them on your forum & then we can swap. ? |
DutchCrusader


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Message Posted: 11/02/2009 22:28 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 15 of 89 in Discussion |
| RE msg 1, juliet : (...) why have these not been looked after in the last 34 years!? (...) ===> You talk malicious rubbish, Juliet. Spreading rumours like you do is more damaging to the TRNC and its monuments than the sea and the weather do to Kyrenia Castle. But hey, that's your main aim, isn't it? Why don't you take the time to have a look yourself; you don't need 34 years - 3,4 hours are enough. I happen to know a thing or two about the past and present of the monuments you mention and also about the international institutions working hard on the preservation. But I won't give *you* any details - your gossip might tricker the authorities in the South to ruin another well meant initiative in the North. |
AlsancakJack


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Message Posted: 11/02/2009 22:36 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 16 of 89 in Discussion |
| Mark Yep and why have they not caught them. |
juliet

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Message Posted: 11/02/2009 22:36 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 17 of 89 in Discussion |
| DC have you read the article? i only post what i read... no need to be so venomous! |
karakum5c


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Message Posted: 11/02/2009 22:37 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 18 of 89 in Discussion |
| Juliet---You are really at the bottom of the barrel if this is the best you can come up with ! |
AlsancakJack


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Message Posted: 11/02/2009 22:42 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 19 of 89 in Discussion |
| Mark you need to have a chat with Juliet, he/she is really not doing the ROC any favours with her/his postings. You bring educated debate to this board but Juliet has become a laughing stock. AJ |
juliet

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Message Posted: 11/02/2009 22:51 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 20 of 89 in Discussion |
| why do people have to be rude when someone posts something they have read... |
ronaldo

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Message Posted: 11/02/2009 22:57 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 21 of 89 in Discussion |
| Juliet People are so rude to you because we all know what your agenda is , and also who you were in a previous life . |
karakum5c


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Message Posted: 11/02/2009 23:00 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 22 of 89 in Discussion |
| Juliet--- Valentines day is coming and i am sure once you have received all your cards and red roses you will be in a much more positive frame of mind. Forget Turkish conspiracies for a day and let romance and love rule your heart |
Yvonne


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Message Posted: 11/02/2009 23:21 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 23 of 89 in Discussion |
| Juliet and all, A very good friend of mine used to be a Tour Guide at the Castle. I have spoken to him regarding this article, and he has said, unfortunately, it is right. I live in Dublin (Ireland), so in all honesty, I don't know... But I trust the opinion of my friend who has a deep love for history and ancient buildings. Perhaps a less passionate approach needs to be taken, and a more practical approach of conservation needs to be looked at. Thanks, Y |
AlsancakJack


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Message Posted: 11/02/2009 23:31 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 24 of 89 in Discussion |
| juliet 'have you read the article? i only post what i read... no need to be so venomous!' Do you believe what you read without making further investigations? Juliet I have to say your postings have become the laughing stock of this board, you really do not do yourself any favours. If you want to present the GC point of view then take a leaf out of Marks book and do a bit of research first. AJ |
Yvonne


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Message Posted: 11/02/2009 23:38 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 25 of 89 in Discussion |
| AJ, as I said, I am living (and from) Dublin, so therefore (as I am not in NC), I am interested in your opinion on my friend's take on the article (see Message 23). I honestly don't know the state of the Castle, but as in my previous message, I trust my friend's opinion (the former Castle Guide). Have you been to the Castle lately? I'm not being confrontational at all, but with all due respect, as in most of the world, Heritage sites are often last thought of for funding and protection... Kyrenia Castle is beautiful and is part of the landscape of NC. It needs to be protected and proactively conserved. I've asked my friend to take a look at it in the next few weeks, so then, I will have a more informative opinion. Thanks, Y |
Aussie

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Message Posted: 11/02/2009 23:44 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 26 of 89 in Discussion |
| Preservation of Cyprus historical building a such as Kyrenia Castle is vitally important and unfortunately underfunded at present. Perhaps in the spirit of cooperation more EU and even ROC funding could be contributed and expertise provided to help do so. Aussie |
markcbm

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Message Posted: 12/02/2009 00:30 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 27 of 89 in Discussion |
| Juliet why not post the other news on that site like... roc police officer suspended after child porn discovery or roc criminal investigaters grill former justice minister i know where i would rather be why not join a south forum and leave us alone, you and your dark side crew mark |
Macha

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Message Posted: 12/02/2009 00:36 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 28 of 89 in Discussion |
| Msg 27, Shall we give you a shake when you want to get on topic? |
Yvonne


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Message Posted: 12/02/2009 00:38 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 29 of 89 in Discussion |
| I've got a suggestion/an idea: everyone who lives out in NC, why not go visit the Castle and see how it looks and investigate the associations made in the article listed by Juliet. That seems to me the most logical and practical path to take? Y |
AlsancakJack


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Message Posted: 12/02/2009 00:49 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 30 of 89 in Discussion |
| Yvonne Yep I am a regular visitor to Girne castle if only to show visitors and family the wonderful heritage of Cyprus. If you are not aware of the collaboration between GC's and TC's with respect to the worlds oldest shipwreck that is housed in the castle and the EU funding that has been given for the upkeep of the castle then you need to re-aquaint yourself with what is going on in the TRNC. AJ |
Yvonne


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Message Posted: 12/02/2009 01:04 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 31 of 89 in Discussion |
| Hi AJ, yes, I remember the tour of the oldest shipwreck in the world. Or that is what I was told. I honestly don't need to 're-acquaint myself' with what is going on there. I live here, so I don't pretend to know more than I do. But when a friend of mine, who, I repeat, was a Tour Guide at the Castle (the subject of this conversation, I trust?) ie The Castle?), tells me they are concerned about the Castle, I listen to them. I will re-acquaint myself with TRNC when I am in a fortunate position to do so. In the meantime, reality for me. Y |
andre 514

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Message Posted: 12/02/2009 01:50 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 32 of 89 in Discussion |
| recipe for juliet: how to restore and preserve monuments and churches in north cyprus end the spiteful blockade so as to show true sincerity in the current talks make some compromises so that an agreement is possible accept the guarantor stays to protect the people because you lot scare them accept the idea of compensation for ALL cypriots who fled their homes respect your co-islanders and show understanding not confrontation after a certain period of simmering embrace the new bizonal state: monuments now being restored as if by magic, any vandals arrested easy? andre |
Hippo

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Message Posted: 12/02/2009 07:48 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 33 of 89 in Discussion |
| Why have you all got your knickers in a twist over the Juliet's posting the member legitimatley drew attention to the need for increased funding for preservation works to ancient monuments. The TRNC is trying to do that within the limited budget they have available thats ok nothing wrong. Nige it was that drew attention to the desecration of cemetry and it was explained that it was a one off by thugs very sad but probablly true. Also true that some GC cemetrys here have been desecrated. So whats the problem? Do you really think either the TRNC government or the ROC government employes people to post on boards either side of the cease fire line. its was not long ago that poor old marky marky was accused of being an agent provocoteur with a name like Demetrious. I am sorry ut if a post dosent fit withing your parameters either ignore it or argue constructivley without resorting to insults. Having said that i still think my good adversery the Sad Crusader smells of cheese. |
deecyprus4

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Message Posted: 12/02/2009 08:04 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 34 of 89 in Discussion |
| mmmmmmm and Juliet, the GC's are most certainly not tolerant of other races, I know I lived there and witnessed quite a few nasty goings on regarding what the GC's class as slaves...mainly the asian workers who they treat appallingly badly and paid peanuts for a hard days work, and mmmmmmmmmmm, dont even attempt to tell me I am wrong! |
clarets


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Message Posted: 12/02/2009 08:50 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 35 of 89 in Discussion |
| TC's,Brits........who else dont you like! Bit of a xenophobe on the quiet are we Juliet? |
clarets


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Message Posted: 12/02/2009 09:02 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 36 of 89 in Discussion |
| Andre message 32.Can we second you into the current talks between the two leaders?There is much merit in what you say,though I suspect it is a tad tongue in cheek.I would doubt at Juliet would get anywhere near the front door of the diplomacy dept. |
mmmmmm


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Message Posted: 12/02/2009 09:32 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 37 of 89 in Discussion |
| Good Morning all VERY interesting posts and valid posts from Hippo and Yvonne, but what is the new game ? Shoot the messenger .... some folk on here need to take your blinkers off.. !! Andre: What "spiteful blockade" .. do you mean the UN Security Council Resolution? Did you know the EU spends MORE money per capita in "north" Cyprus than in the "rump" RoC? Clarets: How do you draw "xenophobic" tendencies from Juliets posts ? It would appear Juliet is correct, but what to do? It is pointless us behaving like badly behaved playground kids.. Juliet, I expect if this part of CY got more tourists they'd have more money to re-invest. Hopefully the end to all this "nonsense" is at hand.. |
clarets


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Message Posted: 12/02/2009 10:16 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 38 of 89 in Discussion |
| mmmmm...msg 37,if you cant see that Juliet has fairly obvious tendencies in favour of one race,and not in favour of others,then I can recommend a good laser eye clinic for your obvious severe myopia! |
juliet

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Message Posted: 12/02/2009 11:46 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 39 of 89 in Discussion |
| clarets Another one that dosnt read my post` s properly, i have always stated that this island belongs to ALL Cypriots! i live with cypriots & do voluntary work with tcs, gcs, armeniem etc, it`s some of the expats that don`t want whats fair for the the tcs for your own agendas..... I know the EU send alot of money to help renovate the monuments etc in the north, but the castle & walls seem to be getting missed out for some strange reason......!!! |
mmmmmm


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Message Posted: 12/02/2009 12:07 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 40 of 89 in Discussion |
| Dear Clarets I know you are a wise man.. so PLEASE try and see beyond the "race" thing.. "Juliet" is a Cypriot and her family has property in the north. If you ask most GCs the std answer you'll get it is "we don't have a problem with Turkish Cypriots - we want the TR army to go home".. I know she is in the minority here, but as far as most of the world is concerned she is highlighting the plight of an important Cypriot heritage site.. I don't think she prophesies"diplomatic skills" .. nor did I think it was a pre-requistive for membership ;) |
clarets


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Message Posted: 12/02/2009 12:14 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 41 of 89 in Discussion |
| Juliet,I can see and I can read! I also understand the luddite stance you take when your GC political dictats are put on this forum.Please do not mistake me for a person of lesser intellect.Never underestimate your opponent,only a fool would make such a mistake. |
Littlenige


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Message Posted: 12/02/2009 12:14 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 42 of 89 in Discussion |
| clarets Watch it mate the next thing some bright spark will want to return Barnoldswick to yourkshire AGAIN What a hornets nest that stirred up the last time it was raised. |
clarets


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Message Posted: 12/02/2009 12:20 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 43 of 89 in Discussion |
| mmmmm,I do try to look beyond the obvious message that Juliet infers,but somehow,the message from between he text,always comes through...xenophobia!I assume that you are acquainted with the writings of Harry Scott Gibbons.It is a more balanced view than the one espoused by Trevor McDonald,whose cyclopic view of the TRNC/Cyprus/RoC is legendary |
clarets


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Message Posted: 12/02/2009 12:36 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 44 of 89 in Discussion |
| Littlenige,there are still those with phallic headed dispositions from the "dark-side"of the boundaries(pre '74....UK.....Not Cyprus...just before anyone jumps on my case!)who put strange signs on their turf,with white roses defacing them! |
Littlenige


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Message Posted: 12/02/2009 12:53 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 45 of 89 in Discussion |
| LOL yes I seem to remember them and What about that chippie at suff insisted they were in Yorkshire so could open on a Sunday !! When land is won in a war or battle it is very rarely if ever given back.......... If land won in the war of the roses 1455 - 1485 aint been returned what chance is there for land to be returned from 1974 ? |
clarets


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Message Posted: 12/02/2009 13:03 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 46 of 89 in Discussion |
| My sentiments entirely littenige! For.....history is the preserve of the victors.Might is right and right is might! |
andre 514

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Message Posted: 12/02/2009 14:06 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 47 of 89 in Discussion |
| thanks clarets, you found out my secret!!! everything I say is tongue in cheek, including these remarks andre |
mmmmmm


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Message Posted: 12/02/2009 19:43 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 48 of 89 in Discussion |
| Dear Clarets, re msg 43 we just discussed the "genocide files" on another thread and it died when I posted some article from a TC newspaper about the atrocities carried out against GCs.. as witnessed by a TC. If you think HSG is "balanced", I AM wasting my time and I was wrong about you being "wise" .. :( |
AlsancakJack


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Message Posted: 12/02/2009 20:54 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 49 of 89 in Discussion |
| Juliet Ref message 4 FOREIGN MINISTER AVCI: ‘WE CONDEMN THE RACIST ATTACKS EVEN TO THE GRAVE OF A 3 YEARS OLD BABY’ Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs Turgay Avci, stated that the attacks to the Turkish Cypriot religious and cultural heritage in the Greek Side have been observed to increase. Avci especially condemned the attacks even to the grave of a 3 years old Turkish Cypriot baby in Asagibinatli village. Avci underlined that the racist attacks were increasing in the Greek side to Turkish Cypriot religious and cultural heritage in current days and added that in the attacks to Asagibinatli Turkish Cypriot graveyard and gravestones were ruined. Avci pointed out that the Greek Orthodox Church is poisoning the Greek Cypriot Youngsters with the ideology of racism and this is promoting the lack of confidence between the two peoples in the island and added that rather than teaching young Greek Cypriots peace and sharing, (continued in next posting) |
AlsancakJack


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Message Posted: 12/02/2009 20:56 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 50 of 89 in Discussion |
| Continued: the education system is teaching them to deny the existence of Turkish Cypriot and Islamic culture in the Island. |
Hippo

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Message Posted: 12/02/2009 23:34 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 51 of 89 in Discussion |
| Aj I am suprised at you an educated pearson posting such a raceily loaded post. |
Yvonne


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Message Posted: 12/02/2009 23:54 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 52 of 89 in Discussion |
| Hi, I think everyone has had their say, and with all due respect to the Castle, I really don't like the title of this post, especially the 'falling down' bit! It's not falling down, but could do with some TLC, so please can someone end this thread as, in my humble opinion, I think the title screams 'propaganda'. There's no need for it to go on, and on, and on, and on.... The Castle, please God, will be fine, if taken care of my the Heritage Societies out there. No need to continue to talk about it, more like time for action. Just let's put it to rest. Thanks, and no offence meant to anyone, Y |
rowlo


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Message Posted: 12/02/2009 23:57 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 53 of 89 in Discussion |
| msg 51 its not racialy loaded its the truth ?? |
Macha

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Message Posted: 12/02/2009 23:59 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 54 of 89 in Discussion |
| AJ: ''If you are not aware of the collaboration between GC's and TC's with respect to the worlds oldest shipwreck that is housed in the castle and the EU funding that has been given for the upkeep of the castle then you need to re-aquaint yourself with what is going on in the TRNC.'' What a shame that thıs does not ınclude commemoratıng the person who actually dıscovered thıs amazıng sunken vessel. Is the fact that the dıver concerned was a GC too much for the Turkısh army to admıt? Shameful... |
Macha

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Message Posted: 13/02/2009 00:04 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 55 of 89 in Discussion |
| clarets: ''Please do not mistake me for a person of lesser intellect.Never underestimate your opponent,only a fool would make such a mistake.'' Hmmm. Then agaın... |
rowlo


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Message Posted: 13/02/2009 00:08 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 56 of 89 in Discussion |
| msg 54 how do you know he was a greek cypriot |
Macha

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Message Posted: 13/02/2009 00:39 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 57 of 89 in Discussion |
| rowlo, Because I've done my homework on Cyprus long ago. |
rowlo


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Message Posted: 13/02/2009 00:56 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 58 of 89 in Discussion |
| msg 57 so how come pre 74 , everyone was a cypriot ? how come now theres land ,money to be had but only if youre a gc ?? you must remember greeks started this ? but when turkey intervened to protect its people/theyve suffered ever since long live the trnc |
andre 514

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Message Posted: 13/02/2009 02:17 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 59 of 89 in Discussion |
| msg 58 I heard he is a british citizen of armenian descent andre |
clarets


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Message Posted: 13/02/2009 02:25 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 60 of 89 in Discussion |
| Dear mmmmm,you've really got to think beyond your little box! Sir Trev is really a biggoted little black man,who thinks that HSG is not a true reflection of what happened to TC,s during the 60's.I cant speak for you but I myself remember some of what the despot Macarios said and his evil mafiosa right hand man.My memories of such do not make me unwise,they just mean I have a good memory.You possibly have a more biased,selective one! |
clarets


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Message Posted: 13/02/2009 02:29 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 61 of 89 in Discussion |
| Macha......you do yourself a great dis-service! |
ROBIN HOOD

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Message Posted: 13/02/2009 09:12 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 62 of 89 in Discussion |
| Msg 2 . the picture looks like the average TRNC build quality. What's the problem? |
mmmmmm


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Message Posted: 13/02/2009 09:38 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 63 of 89 in Discussion |
| Dear Clarets, re msg 60 what was that you said to someone about them doing themselves a disservice?! Suggest you do a little more research before reaching for the "bias" label.. This poster is WELL aware of atrocities committed by both sides...and has visited many of the places north and south.. IF you took the time to do a little research, you might even have realised that this poster had spent not a little time with inter communal groups who dealt with reconciliation initiatives. If you want to continue "quote" one sided publications and use it as an example of why TCs and GCs can never live together - carry on - One day I hope you will come to realise that isn't "helping" NOW. Folks that really DO think out of the box aren't living in the horrors and mistakes of the past.. ! |
clarets


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Message Posted: 13/02/2009 13:14 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 64 of 89 in Discussion |
| Dear mmmmm,I can add arrogance to your list of personality traits.You are far from the only person to have looked at this from both sides of the coin! If you care to look at my vocation,you would no doubt realise that I deal with the results of atrocities when they occur,along with those of my profession.I have seen and dealt with more "atrocities" than you have had "hot dinners". I am as keen on initiatives to build a lasting peace on this island as you claim to be.You really must do YOUR homework,before you assume that I have some vested interest in ignoring the horrors of the past....they should not be ignored,nor forgotten.Not to learn from history.....is folly indeed! |
mmmmmm


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Message Posted: 13/02/2009 13:46 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 65 of 89 in Discussion |
| Dear Clarets, re msg 64 As a man of your vocation - it is interesting how you spend time highlighting a book that is eloquently described elsewhere on this board as aimed at "Daily Mail" readers.. If you are SERIOUSLY able to have looked at the CY Q from both sides of the coin, you would NOT be harping on about this divisive and BLATENTLY one-sided book. It is especially surprising considering your vocation, that you would "accuse" folk of "not thinking out of the box" or be darn right rude to Juliet. I even doubt you know what I have seen experienced re physical actions of violence in some sort of "cause" - be it in N.Ireland , Middle East, Ukraine, Russia.. The moment one person commits an act in the name of their cause, they normally create the need for revenge. Exceptional people.. and I don't count myself as one - but I've met 'em - don't need to bring up the horrors of the past . Especially, if you remember, this is about Kyrenia Castle's state of dis-repair |
AlsancakJack


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Message Posted: 13/02/2009 14:16 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 66 of 89 in Discussion |
| Hipps. 'Aj I am suprised at you an educated pearson posting such a raceily loaded post.' Not my words Hipps and the article is freely available in the press. Just using it to make a point. AJ |
Littlenige


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Message Posted: 13/02/2009 14:21 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 67 of 89 in Discussion |
| Back to the topic, I was at the castle this morning and it was not falling down looked pretty good to me. |
Macha

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Message Posted: 13/02/2009 15:37 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 68 of 89 in Discussion |
| andre: ''I heard he is a british citizen of armenian descent'' It's a nose thıng ısn't ıt? |
clarets


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Message Posted: 13/02/2009 18:55 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 69 of 89 in Discussion |
| Dear mmmmm,you exhibit your arrogance in a way I find quite perplexing.You obviously do not understand the concept of binocular vision,and view things with a curiously neuropaenic,glaucomatous view(I make no apologies for the medical terminology...you will just have to look the meaning of the words up!)Both sides of the coin ,I do see,which cannot obviously be applied to you."Exceptional people,dont need to bring up the horrors of the past",is laughable,but for its unfortunate sadness.Exceptional people are ALWAYS the ones who learn from the past,and I guess you wouldnt know one if you were sat drinking his wine or eating his food.It would appear that you emanate from an undereducated part of the world,where nobody recognises their own shortcomings! |
deecyprus4

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Message Posted: 13/02/2009 19:17 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 70 of 89 in Discussion |
| msg 69 way to go Doc...take a well deserved bow |
rowlo


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Message Posted: 13/02/2009 19:43 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 71 of 89 in Discussion |
| msg 69 brilliant reply |
clarets


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Message Posted: 13/02/2009 19:47 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 72 of 89 in Discussion |
| Littlenige....msg 67.So is the one at Skipton........but,hey.........its in Yaaaarksher! |
kenny


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Message Posted: 13/02/2009 19:56 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 73 of 89 in Discussion |
| msg fancy wording, but as i see it you just called mmmmm arrogant. then you went on to call him undereducated. have board rules not brocken ? |
rowlo


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Message Posted: 13/02/2009 20:01 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 74 of 89 in Discussion |
| msg73 he never said he was undereducated? read the post/ |
kenny


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Message Posted: 13/02/2009 20:04 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 75 of 89 in Discussion |
| oh right, just the part of the world he comes from ! |
clarets


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Message Posted: 13/02/2009 20:09 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 76 of 89 in Discussion |
| Got to be a little more careful about what you acuse people of...........Big Brother watching me ? |
mmmmmm


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Message Posted: 13/02/2009 22:29 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 77 of 89 in Discussion |
| Dear Clarets Luckily this "dimwit" took Latin "O" level ( at 14 ) along with R.E at the "skool for bakword and diffilkult wee gits"..so no need to look it up.. My Brain and eyesight are just fine, thanks. I note, again ,that you are incapable of focusing your intellect on the matter in hand - Kyrenia Castle. So you'll be aware of the pseudo latin phrase.. " noli illegitimi carborundum " .. Your posts suggest there may well be a negative correlation between common sense and intelligence.. |
AlsancakJack


Joined: 14/08/2008 Posts: 5762
Message Posted: 13/02/2009 22:39 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 78 of 89 in Discussion |
| Kenny 'have board rules not brocken ?' You tell me, I regard this as intelligent debate (maybe pushing it a bit) but if any of the participating respondents complain then I guess we will have to re-assess the situation. AJ |
mmmmmm


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Message Posted: 13/02/2009 22:41 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 79 of 89 in Discussion |
| Dear AJ re msg 78 No complaints here... and I'd even promise not to make Clarets wear a beer I'd buy him.. ;) |
rowlo


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Message Posted: 13/02/2009 22:42 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 80 of 89 in Discussion |
| is it brocken or broken |
clarets


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Message Posted: 13/02/2009 23:00 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 81 of 89 in Discussion |
| mmmmmm has taken all night to come back with that reposte! You must be proud of yourself......stringing 3 latin words together! Be careful with that beer though.......you'd need long arms to tip it over this large lad !Veni,vidi,vici....'nuf said! |
juliet

Joined: 11/01/2009 Posts: 612
Message Posted: 13/02/2009 23:03 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 82 of 89 in Discussion |
| clarets is that a greek orthodox church behind you in your profile pic? |
AlsancakJack


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Message Posted: 13/02/2009 23:10 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 83 of 89 in Discussion |
| Juliet If it is don't you think it is well looked after? AJ |
rowlo


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Message Posted: 13/02/2009 23:18 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 84 of 89 in Discussion |
| hi juliet i thought you and all were cypriot or is it only GREEK CYPRIOT in your rose tinted glasses ? |
Turtle

Joined: 28/05/2007 Posts: 2669
Message Posted: 13/02/2009 23:25 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 85 of 89 in Discussion |
| Just a break from the punch up, my brother works in the "Historic Property" business and lends some of his time as a consultant to English Heritage and he constantly tells me that very little govenment money comes in to renovate castles like Cardiff, kenilworth or Bolsover and if it wasn't for the lottery most of our historic treasures would be like nige's picture...............a pile of rubble. If we can't look after our own what chance Cyprus. |
clarets


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Message Posted: 13/02/2009 23:27 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 86 of 89 in Discussion |
| No Juliet,its a GC missile silo! |
rowlo


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Message Posted: 13/02/2009 23:28 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 87 of 89 in Discussion |
| tushay turtle. |
rowlo


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Message Posted: 13/02/2009 23:52 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 88 of 89 in Discussion |
| msg 1 yeah and its all your fault ?" |
mmmmmm


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Message Posted: 14/02/2009 09:26 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 89 of 89 in Discussion |
| Dear Clarets re msg 81 "mmmmmm has taken all night to come back with that reposte! You must be proud of yourself......stringing 3 latin words together! Be careful with that beer though.......you'd need long arms to tip it over this large lad !Veni,vidi,vici....'nuf said!" ))) Clarets, my reply to you hardly exercised any "grey matter" and was speedily responded to ..saw it when I came back from a wonderful romantic evening .. You and Dee seem to think I must respond to your posts - as if they carry some special importance.. |
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