Crime - how bad is it?

Tim10


Joined: 01/01/2008
Posts: 114

Message Posted:
05/01/2008 18:40

My developer told me that a major advantage of owning a living in North Cyprus is a low crime level. However, from what I have been reading on the forum, there appears to be not a little bit of crime and fraud in the TRNC.



Is crime on the rise and how does it compare to the UK.



I am a little worried and may consider a serious security system if the crime scene is a bad scene.



UKTURK -- you seem to know quite a bit -- your input would be appreciated!

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
05/01/2008 20:55

It is true crime rate is low . I was amazed by our developers attitude to security when we first arrived all the unsold nearly completed villas were always left unlocked often with 10k furniture pack within. One day I requested they take delivery of 6 sunbeds whilst we were away for a few days, they said just tell to leave them in porch nobody will touch them and nobody did.

However last year a turkish building worker did enter 3 neighbouring villas and steal cash, jewelery, watch and dvd. We have subsequently fitted window and door,locks plus intruder system for peace of mind. Although I have not heard of any other local instances.

Tim10


Joined: 01/01/2008
Posts: 114

Message Posted:
05/01/2008 22:25

Pilgrim,



Thanks -- that has taken a stone off my heart (almost had a massive attack) and I think I will also play it careful and secure my dwellings.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
05/01/2008 22:38

hi tim

it tottaly depends on what you are talking about, concerning fraud there is a quite a bit of this happening especially in the housing sector from unscrupulous agents and developers but the honest ones far out weigh the dodgy ones but still you have to tread carefully and dont buy of any tom, dick or mustafa!!!! lol

if you are talking about street crime and burgalars this is very small and what your mate i mean developer!!!! lol (sorry i just had to) is very true if you have kids they can play in the park or walk around without getting hasseled, stabbed and killed (whats going on in the u.k with the kids) theft is few and far between in most of the villiages especially around bogaz and famagusta people still have there doors open and shop with all the goods outside when closed its not the law that deters them but if they are caught it would be more shame on them and the family who all live in the villiage

belive you me their is need for panic or concern, but exactly what pilgrim said for peace of mind have a alarm system fitted or even better have a pet dog whatever size or breed as long as it growels and barks the turks are ever so scared!!! lol

hope this helps ease you mind a bit

regards

ukturk

Tim10


Joined: 01/01/2008
Posts: 114

Message Posted:
05/01/2008 22:41

Got it -- do not think I am going to need the sleeping pills tonight!

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
05/01/2008 23:56

tim

first you ask me something when i answer you dont even bother saying thanks, then you insult my inteligence by implying my post is boring would you rather me just answer you with a yes or no, i thought you would want me to explain to you so you can learn, so if someone asks you, you dont answer them with a yes or no!!!

dont know if you are on the wind up or you are just having a laugh

i can have a laugh but i just dont get your humour and i must say you are leaving a impression on the other posters to put it nicely

now i know you prefer one word answers if i ever reply to your posts again ill bear it in mind!!!

ukturk

Tim10


Joined: 01/01/2008
Posts: 114

Message Posted:
06/01/2008 00:23

UKTURK,



First of all, I do appreciate your answer. Coming from someone with your knowledge puts my mind at rest. For this I am grateful.



What I meant was that I was nervous hearing about certain things other posters had happen to them and was glad that your respone put me at ease. I am sorry if the way I put it did not come across correctly.



Of course, I am grateful for your answer.



Also, I am trying to use this forum to get as many unanswered questions answered.



As you know North Cyprus with the "positive" reputation can put any investor and want-to-be resident as unease -- this is eventhough that I have fallen in love with the place. It is a lot better than the press the TRNC has received.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
06/01/2008 00:51

tim

thats ok!!! yes you are right the way you put it, it did not come across correctly,

can i suggest one thing explain yourself a bit better mate so people dont misunderstand you, thats what seems to have caused unrest with the other posters

im glad you have fallen in love with cyprus and you are right it is a 100% times better than the press percieve it, and propaganda is what north cyprus has to go through all the time

ukturk

TonyH


Joined: 22/11/2007
Posts: 107

Message Posted:
10/01/2008 09:35

I read in a travel guide on NC recently that there are a large number of Turkish construction workers living in fairly grotty conditions that can cause problems occasionally – true or overblown?

orangekazzie



Joined: 31/07/2007
Posts: 1091

Message Posted:
10/01/2008 12:33

Hi TonyH

Turkish construction workers tend to live on site in large shed type buildings provided by the construction company which are quite basic. Sometimes they even live in the properties they are building as its cheaper than staying in hotel accommodation. This is illegal but unless the builders are causing a problem with neighbours then the police tend to turn a blind eye.

Karen

TonyH


Joined: 22/11/2007
Posts: 107

Message Posted:
10/01/2008 14:39

Thanks Kazzie - so generally they don't cause a problem?

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
10/01/2008 14:47

Erkan,



I would advise people to get an alarm before a dog. One of the lovely things we noticed about the Bogaz area was the quietness. With the crime so low and this would reflect this with the very rare sound of an alarm in the distance letting everyone know a problem may be happening.



Let your trusted neighbours know your wherabouts and a contact number left with them if the alarm goes of in their abscence. (I work in noise pollution for a living)



Having a dog and then everyone else following suit leads to lots of unwanted barking day and night and causes a lot of neighbour disputes. Mainly when people go out for long periods with the animal being alone. Many will bark at any noise they hear whether near or far, also a lot not cared for properly and chained up all the time.





This is a sore point for me and my partner as one of the reasons we sold our apartment in Lanazarote as many neighbour's had dogs that barked day and night , one setting off the other. then they were let out as strays and crapped everywher/scavaging and started to form in to packs. (I DO NOT JOKE)



We had a couple from Colombia several doors down and no one would approach them to raise the problem as they worked at night/clubbing leaving the dogs on the balcony yapping at anthing and everything that moved. I had a word and was told "wadda ya want me to do about it" Gave relevant advise.....well you can guess the rest! We had lots of complaints from people who rented the apartment etc.



I would ask people to think very carefully about this and do not go down the line of getting a dog so as to "keep up with the Jone's" mentality.

TonyH


Joined: 22/11/2007
Posts: 107

Message Posted:
10/01/2008 15:06

Poor dogs, not their fault, bloody bad owners. Dogs are a great deterrent but need to be looked after correctly, yapping dogs are very annoying.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
10/01/2008 15:07

hi tiggy

im sorry you had bad experıances in lanazarote

when i say to have a dog i dont mean to have a dog just for security, ive got 2 dogs and i see them as part of my family then a good security measure, i dont know about other peoples mentality my dogs are pets but i assure you i did not get dogs to keep up with the jones, i would have thought getting a brand new car when you dont need too cos you next door neighbour has just bought one is a better description of keeping up with the jones



i agree with you about getting a alarm is the best measure but i have had bad experiances with alarms too where people who have a house and they have gone back to the u.k or they are away and the alarm malfunctions and this alarm goes off all night and day till they come back or their friend or family comes round to turn it off this is a pain in the backside!!!

regards

ukturk

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
10/01/2008 15:54

Erkan,



No probs, I understood your message and I did not get the wrong idea.



The alarm I know can be a pain, that is why neighbours, friends, cleaners etc should become involved.



In the UK an alarm by law has to stop sounding after 20 mins. If in continues and we can not trace the owners then we do have powers to enter the premises if needed and silence the alarm. Make sure when you buy and have it installed the 20 min cut out is in place. 99.9 of the time it is not a burglary but a problem with the system, power surges/failure and windows left ajar etc are the cause.



If you have a contract with the alarm Company and it is monitored they will come out and shut it off and reset it. Also if you have neighbours as key holders then they can turn it off. What burglar is going to stay in a property for more than a few minutes if they set off the alarm going? You also have the right to knock the thing off the wall if you have taken all reasonable steps t o get it resolved.



As usual Erkan I show you the respect you deserve.



"I know a man that can.........and he is called Erkan"



P.s. I love animals and dogs are great pets. (Before the dog lovers starting having a go at me!)

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
10/01/2008 16:03

thanks mate

it was good you added that p.s otherwise you will get all the barbara woodhouses hounding you down!!!! (get it hounding)

regards

erkan (ukturk)

Tim10


Joined: 01/01/2008
Posts: 114

Message Posted:
10/01/2008 19:25

If you are looking for a good family and guard dog get a rottie. However, get one at six weeks and raise it so that is used to being around people and children. If raised correctly this is a wonderful dog. If not, watch out! It will act out like an abused child.

bondi


Joined: 12/07/2007
Posts: 116

Message Posted:
10/01/2008 19:40

TRNC hasnt got much to worry about crime wise - just got back to south london from a peaceful christmas in Girne - my local Iceland supermarket raided, violent crime up - stabbings - attacks and such like - I cant wait to book my next air ticket back. TRNC is a place where unlike south london you dont always have to look over your shoulder as soon as the sun sets and you need to go 100 yards up the road to pick up a pint of milk! Long may the TRNC remain this way - you can never eradicate all crime but by god its not as bad as London.

gottheyips


Joined: 28/12/2007
Posts: 444

Message Posted:
10/01/2008 19:57

A lot has been said about dogs barking yapping and crapping, my reading on the whole situation is shouting threatening and the bulls... seems more rife amongst us humans.

The bottom line for us all is consideration for our neighbours and the public in general.

Getting back to the original post on crime, it seems to me that low level petty crime is frowned upon and that familys are disgusted and ashamed if a member is found out and convicted, however if you have a bit of money and in a position of power then you can do what you bloody well like and not only get away with it but are held in high esteem by your peers.

North Cyprus is without doubt a safer and more secure place for us and our children to live, long may it continue. Crime however is on the rise, i would recommend a burglar alarm as most household pets do not react to unwanted visitors unless the owner is at home.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
10/01/2008 20:43

as it has already been stated , if an alarm goes off and there is no-one around that can respond to it , what happens then ? first line management , good strong locks on all windows , patio doors and external doors had mine fitted last year at jamesb suggestion of home security

regards simbas

gottheyips


Joined: 28/12/2007
Posts: 444

Message Posted:
10/01/2008 21:16

Been in the security business for over 40 years , alarm fitted, alarm not fitted, I know the house I would target.

All devices, alarms, guard dogs, locks, etc, have positive and negative sides but never discount any, they all work and to a certain degree DETER.

Fort Knox, all banks and Government buildings have alarms, are they wrong?