Nazi vs Communist

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
17/02/2009 18:04

Why is it people who lean to the right or are against immigration are labelled racist or Nazi and there are demonstrations against Nazis throughout the world ?

Yet people who lean to the left or who are communist are left to their own devises or even accepted by the mainstream.

The number of people killed under Joseph Stalin's rule by the time of ... the 94 million

The number of people killed under pol pot . ... In total almost 55000000

The number of people killed under Leni.... 6 to 8 million

The number of people killed under Chairman Mao no one is sure but fifty million is probably a conservative estimate.



The death toll of the Holocaust is estimated at about 12 million. Of these, roughly 6 million were Jews, 3 million were Soviet POW's, 1.5 million were political prisoners, half a million were Gypsies, and half a million were Serbs.

No hidden agenda here but say on the news the demos against Nazis in Germany.

SO WHAT HAS THIS TO DO WITH CYPRUS

Both leaders are commies !!!

cronos


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Message Posted:
17/02/2009 18:10

Some heavy stuff from you today Nige.....but you've come to the right place !

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
17/02/2009 18:20

he aint heavy he's my brother

cronos


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Message Posted:
17/02/2009 18:30

If I had to choose i think I'de be a Nazi.



Much smarter uniforms and I love the architecture of Albert Speer !





*Nige...bit flippant I know , but no-ones biting *

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
17/02/2009 18:34

I'm with the Comrades!!

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
17/02/2009 18:35

Sorry, I meant I'm with the Woolwich!!

spider


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Message Posted:
17/02/2009 20:48

my Farther had home,he built himself,a wife and daughter,when the war was going on,his homeland was invaded by Rissia.and his wife and daughter were held behind,his homeland was Lithuania...long after,he could still never return.and i dont think any,even today,have been able to put claim to land.deeds titles,etc,etc.like what is going on HERE,and its an independant country now,and i have a sister some where there,i hope she had a happy life after the war and today,.....so can anyone try and explain how the hell thing can happen like reclaiming land ctc,here.....at the end of the war for oh so many,a new life begins,a new chapter,a new start,so please WHATS it all about.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
17/02/2009 20:59

nige if the nazis hadnt been stopped , we would all be talking german today, thats if we were 6 feet tall with blue eyes and blonde hair ofcourse , if not who knows what the death toll might have been , they were trying to ethnicly cleanse the whole of europe , theyre trying it again now ? its called the euro this time round ?

joseph


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Message Posted:
17/02/2009 22:09

Well Nige, not counting disease, looks like the whole number you have listed so far for the 20th century comes out at something over 200 million, possibly add another 50 million from the Great War and you are up to over 250 million lost lives....



But even this pales into insignificance when compared to the 300,000,000 estimated (so far) to have been "killed" since 1970 by.....



Joseph

karakum5c



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Message Posted:
17/02/2009 22:45

If we didnt all kill each other occassionally their would be a population explosion.



Its all about saving the planet, start a war tomorrow.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
17/02/2009 22:49

make love not war , keeps you warm therefore dont need heating on, saves the planet and its more fun?

cronos


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Message Posted:
17/02/2009 22:49

karakum...humourous...but a big element of truth.



Ever wondered why the "western world" doesn't do more to eradicate famine in the third world?

Lemtich



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Message Posted:
17/02/2009 23:50

Here's the answer!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kndX3tVxCt8



Lem

joseph


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Message Posted:
17/02/2009 23:58

Nice try Lemtich... but wrong answer ...



remember killed... but not by disease

Otherwise malaria would undoubtedly be the number one killer far and away above cancer... even so, in an eerie way, you are really close..?



Joseph

joseph


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Message Posted:
18/02/2009 00:04

Just out of interest...



Population explosion... bunkum... resources maybe... but you will never find a supporter of population reduction offering their lives to help out



In 1999 scientists revealed that if you were to take every human being on this planet and stand them next to each other they would fill a the island of ...

... a single island... anyone guess which island?



Regards Joseph

Lemtich



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Message Posted:
18/02/2009 00:20

Yeah, yeah, yeah.



The Isle of Wight.



But the ice cream stalls would probably run out of wafers.



Lem

joseph


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Message Posted:
18/02/2009 00:33

Spot on Lem... tho one yeah would have done



Now back to the tough question?



Joseph

paddy1966


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Message Posted:
18/02/2009 02:34

What about the Genocide in Eire ???

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/02/2009 09:00

re msg 18 Paddy1966



"Genocide in Eire"





Wow, this will be good. Do tell..



Me, I wasn't aware that the mainly R.Cathloic govt of the "free state" indulged in such things..



A little bit of ethnic cleansing, like "persuading" ex Royal Irish Constabulary officers to move to the six counties, perhaps..

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
18/02/2009 09:37

Maybe the "difference" between the Nazis and the Commies was that the Nazi's mostly killed "others" whereas the commies mostly killed "their own". We see this in Africa where we condemn Hutus killing Tutsis but Robert Mugabe/Idi Amin etc only get dissapproval.

Also we have to remember that the Jewish lobby has never/will never let the holocaust become old news, whereas the victims of the commies were mostly "peasants" with no support inside or outside their respective homelands either then or now.

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
18/02/2009 09:42

Vaugh thats is a very valid point.

denizkisi


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Message Posted:
18/02/2009 10:10

Good point TRNCVaughan, My opinion is:



Nazis believe that they are superior (race wise) than others and would use cultural assimilation for those deemed worthy, but those deemed unworthy - would be eradicated. Whereas communists believe that everyone is equal with equal rights. Communism in its pure form is PERFECT, everything is shared and all rules are for the greater good of ALL of the people. BUT............. the reason communism has failed miserably is because we (human beings) are NOT perfect, we are greedy, ambitious, dishonest, lazy and some like think they are better than others etc etc. (remember animal farm)? On another note, I was however surprised when the ROC voted the way they did, especially as they still allow the Church to meddle in politics.

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
18/02/2009 10:53

Many "intellectuals" in the west were/are (champagne) socialists and through them Communism has been made almost acceptable - as long as it is in other peoples countries. Most people killed by communists have been labelled "reactionary, counter-revolutionary" etc., and as such their liquidation was deemed necessary for the furtherance of "the cause", i.e. their deaths were for political reasons and other peoples politics are just that - other peoples politics.

The Nazis killed mostly for racial reasons. Nazis also killed the mentally infirm, Gypsies and homosexuals - deeply un-PC.

Tiggy


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Message Posted:
18/02/2009 12:50

What a topic to post....must be really bored or looking to stir up people. nothing new.



Await the next one.

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
18/02/2009 13:17

tiggy you may not be aware the leader of trnc and republic of cyprus are BOTH communists and this is the only communist lead country in Europe this does not concern you ??



" looking to stir up people "



no just make people aware



All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach.



Now who said that ? would it apply to g/c s ?



Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way round, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise. could this apply to blairs uk ??





and just for you the one that applies to those who do not wish to see



"How fortunate for leaders that men do not think."

spider


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Message Posted:
18/02/2009 13:39

my answere please.how,and again,how can one put claim to lands etc.long after war.the whole world would be at it.claims aqnd deeds pre.war...

so how is it happening here and not all over the place..do all the refugees from after the wars all scatted oll over the lands have rights to claim back,if thats the case.ANOTHER WAR..Whats it all about then.all you who know so much,whats tha answere.Simple i cant happen.and dont happen.so why here..

clarets



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Message Posted:
18/02/2009 14:44

Rowlo Msg8,are you talking as a former Nazi,or just summizing about the possibilities!

clarets



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Message Posted:
18/02/2009 14:48

Msg 19 mmmm,pray tell....which is "the free state" in Ireland?

Tiggy


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Message Posted:
18/02/2009 17:58

Nigel,



I know the political backgrounds of the two leaders thanks very much. It does not bother me.

You could have put out a message...."Do you know the leaders of Cyprus are Commies", lets debate..... But you have to mention Nazis and commies. (Past disgusting history)



Some of your threads in my opinion are meant to disturb people. Your recent one on Nelson Mandella to name a few summed you all up in my opinion.



We have MMMMMM now going on about the Irish conflict. happy in his blinkered attitude. awaiting the one and only P.P, Aka know now as macha t o hijack the thread further.





Do you have these kind of threads on your own forum? I bet not. things must be quiet on it then.

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
18/02/2009 18:08

yes i do have them and we debate them without pointing fingers thankyou.





Do you know the leaders of Cyprus are Commies", lets debate



i find that a little degrading and insulting, if i called a pakistani a paki you would say I was being racist. do you not think this is double standards



ahh that takes us back to the point of the thread.

Macha


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Message Posted:
18/02/2009 18:17

littlenige:



"Why is it people who lean to the right or are against immigration are labelled racist or Nazi and there are demonstrations against Nazis throughout the world ? Yet people who lean to the left or who are communist are left to their own devises or even accepted by the mainstream.



Because Nazis are right-wing by definition and racists almost invariably come from the right. Take Cyprus for example - the Greek coup was mounted by fascists and the right-wing Turkish army indulged in ethnic cleansing and established a racist constitution in the TRNC. Every expat knows this.



Whereas communists and leftists believe in an ideology of the brotherhood of man and unity of the peoples against the big bad bosses and capitalists. Talat and Christofia are leftists elected by Cypriots on a reunification ticket.

Macha


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Message Posted:
18/02/2009 18:18

little nige: "he aint heavy he's my brother"



Bobby Sands' sister's song?

Tiggy


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Message Posted:
18/02/2009 18:33

Grow up Nigel.



"awaiting the one and only P.P, Aka know now as macha t o hijack the thread further".

my prediction of this was spot on, the alleged turd only took 19 mins. As usual his trying to provoke real members is a sad failing attempt.



What Mr Sands has to do with this goes to show how vile this little man really is. Maybe one day a friend of Mr Sands may show him the error of his ways.

Tiggy


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Message Posted:
18/02/2009 18:45

Nigel, the last two lines of your opening thread on msg 1 are



SO WHAT HAS THIS TO DO WITH CYPRUS



Both leaders are commies !!!



Ok for you to use the word then.......you do indeed have double standards.

Macha


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Message Posted:
18/02/2009 18:48

Speaking of fascists, what's the motto of the Teletubby IRA?



Tiocfaidh La La.

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
18/02/2009 19:12

you do indeed have double standards.





you would be a fool if you did not realise I have the right to be always right just as you have the right to be Wrong.

Tiggy


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Message Posted:
18/02/2009 20:04

Tch tch.....the drink talking me thinks. Too much time on your hands during the day I fear. Maybe you should pop up to Kyrenia and see your new wannabe friendfriend from msg 32. A great combination indeed.



Pity you can not admit your mistake.

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
18/02/2009 20:13

YET AGAIN TIGGY YOU HAVE IT WRONG I have no friends........................



One day you may get some thing right...........



Till then I shall ask Hans to Pray for you

Tiggy


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Message Posted:
18/02/2009 20:17

Well getting a prayer said is some sort of an apology I suppose. shows you are thinking about me!!



Get an early night, as the head may be sore in the morning. await another of you great threads !

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
18/02/2009 21:11

YOU are so kind I do so look forward to your kind constructive and heat warming posts.



Apology from me to you ??



I it make you fell better no problem............



But then I have always been a diplomat ..............................

clarets



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Message Posted:
19/02/2009 02:01

The concept of lefties holding the moral high ground over right-wingers,in such a debate,is somewhat laughable.Racism or anti-semitism or any other ism,for that matter,does not compare with the vast number of deaths caused by Communist tyrants.Nazi's also killed millions of people,but let us not be mistaken about one thing....human life is sacred,and "isms" are just sticks and stones!

Hippo


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Message Posted:
19/02/2009 06:36

A Malthusian curve of deprevation is a return to subsistence-level conditions once population growth had outpaced agricultural production.



MSG12 answer they cant

denizkisi


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Message Posted:
19/02/2009 14:08

message 35, Macha :Speaking of fascists, what's the motto of the Teletubby IRA?

Tiocfaidh La La.



Is that an attempt at a racist Irish joke?



Do you mean to write Tiocfaidh ár lá ?

Tiggy


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Message Posted:
19/02/2009 21:18

Take no notice of the little macha.....he is not right in the head. Have a little pity. Must have been a lonesome sickly child.

joseph


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Message Posted:
20/02/2009 17:39

Spot on Clarets.. "human life is sacred etc"... imagine how many people would be alive today if that simple principle was paramount?



I asked early in the thread what had caused more human death, other than disease, than all the wars in the 20th century put together? The question got lost in the cut and thrust of the tag so I will answer my own question.



Abortion.



The UK alone has killed over 7,000,000 innocent human beings to date and the figures worlwide are spiralling. In third world countries abortion is promoted as the new contraceptive by the U.N..... another nest of vipers?



This is what frightens me about Obama and his far left promoters, bad enough his answer to debt is to endebt our children... oops sorry their birthright is already sold... our grandchildren ... a la Gordon Brown...but now he has been elected on an abortion "right"... scary.



Regards Joseph

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
20/02/2009 20:27

Hi Nige



No difference between Nazis and the specific Communist leaders you have refered to. Both driven by an 'ism' an ideology, a meme (cultural genes). Human have used ideas (beliefs) to elevate their power and status. Quite often they have been enforced through murder. Not so easy to do these days.

Communism will never work whilst we are governed by pecking order. Could work if we are able to control our lower brain functions.



Not much chance of our two cypriot leaders causing murder. Reason, lacking power and context. Times have changed, unless poverty looms.



Republicans donate far more to charity than democrats. Funny that.



Malthusian failed to consider improved processes in agriculture, however the human population is set to increase and won't stabilise until about the year 2060. Massive problem unless we change (in the very widest sense of the word).



Interesting Lemtich, perhaps we are a virus.

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
20/02/2009 20:30

As long as the Catholics do not get in I despise Penguins

rowlo



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Message Posted:
20/02/2009 20:34

or is it chuky ar la pikey ?

Macha


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Message Posted:
21/02/2009 00:40

nige:



"As long as the Catholics do not get in I despise Penguins"



I can't get the bejaysusing labels off the feckers.

Macha


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Message Posted:
21/02/2009 00:43

rowlo:



"or is it chuky ar la pikey ?"



Er, maybe it would be on these big print phoenetic kiddies' reading books for the ones that are slow at reading.



Shame they don't do a series in that format on Cyprus history, eh?

rowlo



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Message Posted:
21/02/2009 00:53

what do you mean pikey ???????

denizkisi


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Message Posted:
21/02/2009 09:08

Rowlo, I think he means "pikey" as in Gypsy - seems macha is a little predudiced against the Irish? "Chucky ar la" is the phoenetic spelling forTiocfaidh ár lá (our day will come) for those who cannot read Irish as it is written.