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sam_sansom


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only three owners have paid in full and paid maintence in full there fore the rest of the site is being held up if you all pay the site will be finished which benifit every one we all now its taking a long time to get here so why drag it on when it can be done and we can use our apartments



Steve1953



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Dear Sam,

not happy at all with Santa Fe - their rep did not mention all the add ons,the snaggings have not been completed and we found out that there was still a 100k mortgage outstanding on the site - something that Munir Akil has just admitted to. The fact that he was given a 250 fee for the legal registration did not reveal this???? He now wants another 45 from everyone to ensure no further problems - how rich is that?



We were promised last February that the site would be ready by May ... then July ... maybe November ... maybe this July?



Be interested what problems you have encountered + any snagging issues,as I know that a blog for Santa Fe has been created by augusta,from this site,but worries and rumours abound with this company,



kind regards,Steve



Have



sam_sansom


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once every one pays the mortgage im as annoyed as any one on the site i've heard so many times about compeletion dates its un real but now i just want it done its unfair for the people who have paid that he ones no the one swho haven't are holding things up. how do you the snagging is not done. The main problem apart from how long its took is the fess for the electric and transformer. Ive spoken to augsta through email im sure shes just a buyer like you and i



gates


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you should never pay all till completion or you be sorry also they have to pay some taxes or you wont get your deeds beware keep some money back until you are huppy or you will always be unhappy



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mess 2 - "yeh but no but"........





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Why don't Santa Fe sell the swanky cars they drive round in and pay the mortgage off ?



Seems reasonable to me....





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markvpiazza


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Only a fool would pay in full before a job is finished



Would you pay in full for a car that was still waiting for the doors to be fitted?



Would you pay a restaurant bill in full during the main course?



No wonder the locals think Brits are mugs



Mark



sam_sansom


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this post is for olive grove owners so your opinion is not wanted my apartment is compelete snagging aswell hence the reason me and three others have paid in full



Pogle


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Sam/Steve

I suggest you contact Rob at Merryweathers Overseas, they represent around 20 owners who have bought through them. From what I understand and they have an arrangement to hold funds ( final payments/ maintenance payments) with an independent lawyer.Some snagging has taken place on site. The site has an electric supply but it is a temporary supply.



Blackpoolfan


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sam/steve dont bother contacting merryweathers i have rung 4 times never had my calls returned. The site is pretty much complete i agree if you dont pay then they will push to charge late penalty payments as per contract, but until the mortgage is lifted i would be tempted to hold fire with final payments.



augusta



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Hi there, after reading your posts I am very worried about how the maintenance is going to be set up at Edremit Heights when it is completed , hopefully, next month. We(Marion Stokes and three of us Santa Fe customers) are trying to collect information from Santa Fe customers in order to understand what is going wrong. Santa Fe has also been providing us with information because they tell us that they are interested in getting everything back onto the right track.



WHY have only 4 owners at Olive Grove paid any maintenance? Is it the lack of agreement on what completion means or is it something to do with the maintenance contract? Which company is to doing the maintenance and what does it cover?



It is alarming to think that after waiting so long for our properties that they may start to go to ruin because we don't want to pay our final payments or our maintenance. At some point it must be better to just cut our losses and get on with things???



augusta



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Any information you can provide will help to fill in the picture and then hopefully we can all sort things out.



Blackpoolfan


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Augusta,

The maintenance contract at olive grove is through the "Home Doctor" who just happens to be Cellal Santa-Fe's maintenance manager who proposes to charge 400 for 6 months for a site i am led to believe still has no permanent electric and no water in the pool. Therefore the question is being asked what are we paying for? and are we being ripped off? The dilemma is if you don't pay then everybody suffers. Happy to share info on the Santa-Fe blog but despite several e-mails i haven't been successful eventhough i am recorded as a member..................



sam_sansom


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Merryweathers are the main problem if twenty odd people are holding back payments no wonder there taking there time its well and good thinking we may get some compp but thats just not going happen we should be glad that our apartments are more or less done merry weathers should bite the bullet and pay to hurry the site along



Pogle


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Sam, I don't think this is correct. You should call Merryweathers and get the full picture.



Since SF released keys to Lapta Pines owners BEFORE final payments were made we still have thousands outstanding to SF, 3 years later, for pathetic reasons by owners who have fully utilised their apartments to rent and holiday in. This has resulted in a budget shortfall to complete the site. We, the owners have ended up paying thousands to complete things that SF would probably have completed if they had collected all monies. These people are the same people that do not pay their FM fees so we subsidise them. I think SF learnt a lesson from this and this is why you are having the subcontractor manage the site. If everything is paid in full you have the best possible chance of having a well managed site, in theory. If we had been given the choice in year one we would have gone for the subcontractor option.



augusta



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It would be useful if all Santa Fe buyers would communicate on the Santa Fe blog which has been set up for buyers. There you can discuss issues and read about how Santa Fe are trying to solve the problems.



Some people have been having problems accessing the blog. Please try again by sending an email to me at

augusta_no@hotmail.com

I will send you a new invitation.

greetings

christine



sam_sansom


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merryweathers are the problem what you have jut said sums it up thousands still own would you finish any thing if thouand s were still owing stop being tight pay your money move on your the reason the whole site has stoped the site is done bar snagging do you want your apartment done or not



Pogle


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Augusta

I have emailed you twice at that address to join the blog but no response.



augusta



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Poole

I will send you an invitation

augusta



sam_sansom


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augusta can you send me one to



Blackpoolfan


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I still can't get in as i to am waiting for an e-mail please.......



Blackpoolfan


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Has anybody got a date for completion at olive grove in lapta...............



sam_sansom


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end of this month the power should be fully connectted by the pool wont be filled till all outstanding debts are paid so it should be april all being well



Blackpoolfan


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sam sansom,

I am over next week and meeting with santa-fe on site so will update this thread when i get back....



gates


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if you have a problem you can ask us for help it costs nothing if we can help we will we are a fully ligit company and will help in more ways than you know go to http://www.braceybuilders.com look forward to hearing from you



PIPIE


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On past experience do not pay last payment until you are 100% satisfied .



sam_sansom


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ok blackpool look forward to hearing from you. hope its good news you come back with!

what number is your apartment if you dont mind me asking



Blackpoolfan


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sam sansom,

D4 mate et vous?



sam_sansom


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i think we are in the same block im d2



Blackpoolfan


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Sam Sansom,

You are below me mate, Party in your garden followed by a party on my roof terrace Deal or no Deal??



sam_sansom


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ha ha would be great deal hopefully it'll will all be compelte soon



stevemac


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The most worrying aspect has to be the mortgages. Until these are paid off the bank owns the land covered by them and can foreclose and auction the land. Steve1953, you said your lawyer registered your contract but never informed you of the mortgages. I think this has happened quite often and anyone who had their contract registered by their lawyer needs to get a copy of the land registry form to confirm their investment is mortgage free

Samsanson, I can understand why buyers don't want to part with more hard earned cash with a mortgage on the site.



sam_sansom


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all the building projects in trnc probably have mortgages on the land as long as they pay which i'm sure they will when all final paymnts have been made



Blackpoolfan


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A lot of people have paid there final payments to their lawyers, so on completion Santa-Fe pay off the mortgage then the lawyers release the monies. Shouldn't have got to this if lawyers had done their job in the first place. Registering your contract helps as no-body can re-mortgage the site/ land that your property is built on......



cocos


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Actually registration only protects you from future mortgages, not mortgages that are already on the site and Santa Fe have plenty of mortgages still. It isn't the buyers who are holding up the site, its Santa Fe for failing to fulfil their contracual obligations.



Blackpoolfan


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Sam Sansom

Vısıted olıve grove today met wıth santa fe and the sıte management company they want to fıll the pool ın may water ıs on and electrıc cables are ın just awaıtıng connectıon to the apartments usıng temp electrıc at present. The problem ıs only 8 people have paıd there fees yet the sıte manager had 2 gardeners and 1 cleaner on sıte the sıte ıs overgrown the problem ıs ıf people dont pay then he could walk away and the sıte could not be used.

By the way your apartment ıs fıne they were cleanıng your patıo whıle ı was there and your furnıture looks good also people buyıng lemon and orange trees to plant ın there gardens only about 40 ytl each whıch seems ok........



sam_sansom


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thanks for the update hopefully people will pay the fees soon and we all can get on enjoy our apartments hope yours is looking good



sam_sansom


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on the sante fe blog it now says there is no mortgage on the land now. Ten people have paid in full now so there apartments will now be maintainted the ones that have not paid will be left.



Miller


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Hi

Have just seen this forum. We have 2 apartments on Olive Grove and have paid up including the 400, also have paid a refundable 250 for each apt to the Home Doctor to cover emergencies. Has everyone else done this??? Have had assurances that the water shall be in the pool from 1st May and have finally had confirmation that the maintenance contract we have paid for runs from 1st Feb 09. Also Blackpool Fan we are in the next block to yours so what date did you say the party was???



Blackpoolfan


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Sam,

You are right sir anybody who doesn't pay will not have there property maintained and rightly so. I was over in March spoke at length with Celal the site manager. I also suggested he puts up a notice naming and shaming those who haven't paid as they will have to find another pool to swim in. In terms of them lifting the mortgage our final payment is with our solicitor and once we receive legal confirmation the mortgage has been lifted then all monies will be released to Santa-Fe.



Blackpoolfan


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Miller,

Everyday will be a party no worries!! I am over 23/07/09 for 3 weeks should be a few fellow owners on site then. Spoke to Santa-Fe only last week confirmed pool to be acid cleaned and filled on the 1st may. I am in contact with my spies and will report back to all Olive Grovers when i get any more news............



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My son and family are over there now, temporary electric has been disconnected waiting for permanant supply, pool will not be full before end of May at least, sight in terrible state. Sante fe and celal are full of porkie pies as usual. They knew he was coming over and promised everything was fine, they have had to book them into a hotel.Nothing has altered since we were there in Feb.



Pogle


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One owner in D block has been connected to permanent electric as of last week. Apartment was fully functioning and fit to stay in. Pool was being pumped out and prepared for filling in May. Some folk have had their gardens done and hopefully others will follow suit. I guess the 250 is for communal bills such as communal lighting and pool water top up as is the case with other sites.

I am sure the other owners will follow suit and pay up, SF have a no final payment/ no keys policy so nobody should be using the facilities you have paid for.

FYI Merryweathers Overseas is no longer trading.



Blackpoolfan


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Pogle,

You are indeed correct Santa-Fe have a no payment no keys policy, but the site management is a different entity something they don't get involved in. It is up to the site management to chase payment and a name and shame policy like the one they had at the Pines would be a good start.........



erinkeiren


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My son is in D block, electric paid for but not connected, all other bills including communal and maintenance have been paid, hence the reason he was given the keys.Have you actually seen the gardens, there was one little old man putting an odd tiny tree in each day when he showed, unless this has changed drastically and they have put a squad on.



erinkeiren


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Sorry about that he is in B block not D (senior moment).



Pogle


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Erinkeiren

I have seen the communal gardens, I was commenting on the private gardens that people have had done which can only be an asset to the site. The old chap is Celals father and though frail, he is there often. Personally I would not bring in the re-inforcements if only 12/28 had paid up.

I spoke to Celal just now and he is planning to fill the pool 1 May, I live here so I can confirm if this happens or not. He has emailed your non paying neighbours and is planning further action. As Blackpool Fan says Lapta Pines ( another SF development) operate a name and shame policy which has had great success but not as much as our recent ploy to deal with non payers which we are happy to share. I do not envy the owner that turns up at the site to face Celal and has not paid. On the bright side, it is a lovely site.



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Thanks for that, things must have changed since I stayed there in Feb. Son has another meeting with them on Wed before he comes home, the information I gave you was what celal told him on site on Friday.Any more news from him and I will pass it on next week.



Blackpoolfan


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Pogle,

Care to share your ploy to deal with the non-payers??



Pogle


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emailed you.



Blackpoolfan


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Pogle,

Thanks for the info..



Miller


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We're going out in 4 weeks and feeling a little apprehensive about what to expect, hope we don't have to be moved to a hotel after shelling out all our monies, it wouldn't seem fair. Thanks Pogle for saying it's a lovely site tho, eased my worries a little. I have never been over it was my husband that sorted the apts out so don't know really what to expect. Love to know what your action plan is against those that haven't paid their final payment. Pogle, please would you do me a favour and confirm if the pool has been filled on the 1st May as we have 2 young children and they'd be gutted if they couldn't use it!!! Thanks



Pogle


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Miller, please don't worry, everything will be fine for your trip, you will be in your apartment. I will be at the site today and will update you with any news. Work is being done re the non payers. I mentioned to Blackpool Fan you should set up a committee as we have done on Lapta Pines, your sister site, the results have been excellent for the site and owners.



Miller


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Ah Pogle, thanks for the reassurance and any updates will be appreciated. That would be a great idea re the committee, I'm all for setting up that.



Blackpoolfan


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Miller

Don't worry i am sure everything will be ok for you, i was over end of march and visited the site most days as i was tidying up the snaggings on the apartment. You have paid all your monies like i have its those that haven't that need to be concerned. The site and the build quality is good just a lot of red tape and shelling out money initially but hey its Cyprus as everybody keeps telling me. My kids are 4 and 6 and they will be hammering the pool when i come over in July. A nice quiet safe site with great views to enjoy many a holiday ..........



Miller


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Thanks again Blackpool Fan, our kids are 9 and nearly 7, I think it's just because I've never been to Northern Cyprus. I'm really looking forward to going over now. I think you're right about the shelling out bit, just when you've paid out thousands you have all the add ons and wonder what you'll see for your money. But, I have to say since Merryweathers Overseas (that were our agents) closed ,I've had a few phone calls to Celal & friends and they seem smashing, so fingers crossed eh?



Blackpoolfan


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Miller

If i here anything re Olive Grove will let you know on the forum or via e-mail off board. What apartments do you have i am in D4 penthouse.



Miller


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Hi Blackpool Fan

We have E2 and E4, thanks



Pogle


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I am sure you will all be delighted to know the pool was filled on May 1.



Miller


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Thanks Pogle, we had a friend out there last week and indeed he rang on Friday and said it was being filled. Thank you, I appreciate that



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