Anonymity, is it fair, should it be allowed?

joseph


Joined: 17/04/2008
Posts: 709

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 15:42

Although I am reasonably ambivalent about this it seems to me there are a lot of contentious threads caused by this subject and yet it is often the cause of descent into slanging matches.



The main defence of the "anonymous ones" is fear of "cyber rage"

I completely understand this concern and yet if no anonymity was allowed the moderators and ultimately Izzet could ban any "nuts" off this board for good. Surely anonymity allows more near the bone comments than otherwise?



By using this forum people in general are giving an opinion on any given subject and using their God given right, they are in a sense, voting one way or the other. But in any election this kind of anonymity would be illegal.

So is it fair to have so many anonymous members.



I wonder also if those of us who honestly host our names and info are made to feel the same apprehension, the anonymous ones fear, when discussing topics with these same unknowns



Reagrds Joseph

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 15:46

most on here know my name and some even know me personally..dont see your point really.



It is not sensible to give too much info out on internet..

flightholiday


Joined: 19/07/2007
Posts: 3217

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 15:53

Dee Msg 2



Likewise for line one.



For personal information I strongly agree to your comment in line 2 - too often people broadcast where they live and when they will be away let alone other personal details

rocky


Joined: 17/10/2007
Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 15:56

I thought in the British general elections we do not have to disclose our identity when we put a cross. People should have the right to anonimity otherwise maybe could be at risk from the many nutters out there, indeed some post on this site. I also think it unwise to declare your email address where an individual could also receive distateful messages. Some messages if they upset the recipient may constitute a crime. Indeed someone with legal experience cross borders (or is it lines mmmmm) may like to comment. I expect many people with no experience in anything may well contribute as they usually do!!!!

Whistler


Joined: 28/07/2008
Posts: 1332

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 15:57

I dont this my post went on properly so I will repeat.

Joseph, If you lived here you would understand better the reason why it is best left as it is. This is such a small Island and it is difficult to go anywhere without seeing somebody you know, it is like a large village.

denizkisi


Joined: 18/09/2008
Posts: 196

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 15:59

I am not "anonymous" so I can make comments "nearer the bone". I just do not want my private details on public display!!! I do not say anything on here, that I would not say to someones face!!!

joseph


Joined: 17/04/2008
Posts: 709

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 16:05

Re messages so far...



All excellent points which make me seriously think I should change my info and rejoin anonymously, and I say this sincerely and not to wind anyone up.



Whistler's point taken to heart, thanks.



Regards Joseph

chick


Joined: 02/07/2008
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 16:17

As far as I am aware no one is actually anonymous. Izzet knows our email address and of course the moderators I presume, so that is all that matters



In veiw of some of the threatening emails some members have recieved in the past I think it is wise to hide email address.



Only my veiw.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 16:27

RE mnsg 8, chick : (...) Izzet knows our email address (...)



===> Not so. It is very easy to join via a temporary email address, which vanishes for ever after joining (within a day or even shorter). Then Izzet only has an IP address - and even that can be hidden or faked. If you WANT to cheat you CAN. And I'm pretty sure that one or probably more board "members" did so. Although I also have the impression that Izzet did some necessary gardening in the member list...

joseph


Joined: 17/04/2008
Posts: 709

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 16:34

So...

are you veteran members suggesting hiding email address as the wisest of precautions?



Joseph

chick


Joined: 02/07/2008
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 16:54

Hi DC.



I am not that up on computer jargon, all I know is my own computer. Naive perhaps.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 17:45

everyone knows i am a spider,and i think most know or perhaps just a few.why i joined this forum too,i was told about it and shown what to do,as it happens,when you have a new toy....

what i saw was not nice....





but i know i am NICE..so what others say or think.is not to upsetting today;





i do not involve myself with the likes...

joseph


Joined: 17/04/2008
Posts: 709

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 19:10

Rocky re..



"I thought in the British general elections we do not have to disclose our identity when we put a cross..."



True... but that is after the fact not before



Joseph

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 20:23

joseph.if you dont mind them give us your address,and see how many call for tea and chat all about it then.up for that or not,

go on be brave,dont think so mate.



end of topic..









spider.

joseph


Joined: 17/04/2008
Posts: 709

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 20:32

Spider, again you illustrate how simple questions descend into negativity.. one step from a slanging match why? Sorry I refuse to be drawn.



Here I am wondering whether or not I should change my details to anonymous and asking for the pro's and con's and good old spider is laying down challenges... did I miss something... is this supposed to be threatening?



I presume Spider you are advising me, in your own inimitable way, not to put my details on this forum



Thanks for your imput... duly noted.



Regards Joseph

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 20:52

joseph. that was no advice,just a simple Challange.that you declined.simple you are not stupid and nither am i,you have guessed my name is not spider.

and you would not like tea..oh well.





end of.see i was not drawing you into anything.!!

why the Tread. if you dont like feedback.



sit back,read and dont participate..simple....buy hard too.



spider

Harlequin


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 346

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 21:19

Not being anonyomous on a public bulletin board is an act of total stupidity.



We have been through this before but if you want I am quite happy to explain again.

joseph


Joined: 17/04/2008
Posts: 709

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 21:26

Spider, would be more than happy to pop round for a cuppa and a chat when and if I get through all the paraphenalia of buying in TRNC...



Like others I have left my email add on this forum and even my mobile number on threads pertaining to our site, so your challenge, as you put it, has already been met



Remember this forum requires a name, occupation and email address; that's it.

It does not ask for house names or street addresses as far as I know.

The original question was not about challenges etc, but simply is anonymity fair

for those of us who "declare" ... and, if so, is there a reason why any of us should be apprehensive about giving details on this site?



Obviously some are for and some against, healthy, but differing opinions

I noticed that most who advocate not giving honest names etc are naturally those who haven't, but as DC implies above on msg9 this allows for cheating

presumably by the WUMs?



Regards Joseph

Harlequin


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 346

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 21:28

Voting in the UK



I think, but I am not 100% sure, that the system allows them to identify who voted for which party.



Think of it. They identify you then find you on a list then write down the number of your voting slip next to your name.

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 22:33

Anonymity to some is essential for instance if they are a little shy, some for totally other reasons, but whether anonymous or not identities must be protected, so as I see it as long as no one knows your full name, date of birth, address, etc... you are safe anyway. I choose to hide my email address, for my own reasons and to date only Izzet and one moderator has it.

To vote in the Uk you have to be on the electrol roll, which is public record and where so many identities are stolen, on their is your name address, with post code, and how many are in a household over the age of eighteen, some even have their phone numbers and email address! You are more vulnerable on the electrol roll than you are on a public forum.

rocky


Joined: 17/10/2007
Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 22:39

re message 19 yes I am sure that it can be checked but probably not pratical who wants to sort through 300000 voting slips unless u r Mr Mugabe

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 22:45

britvic msg 20 youre right . rocky msg 21 you never know ??

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 09:09

i agree with deniz

the same for me goes i wouldn't say anything here i wouldn't say to someone face to face.

we can't all agree on everything but we can be adult about it.

most people know who i am as well, so if they have a problem they can always come up to my house.

or they could come on a social visit, my door is always open.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 09:38

Hi all .. Anonymity should be optional.



Those using the "cloak" of anonymity, can always be moderated if their posts are regularly offensive..

Cyprusactive


Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 128

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 09:51

Joseph, I am convinced that anonimity gives some people freedom to be more outrageous on this board than they would ever dare to be in real life, and that is the reason why so many threads end up in slanging matches. Just as this one nearly did, until you defused it. Rather illustrates your point I think....

I.

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 13:42

What do we really know about each other? Nothing! Apart from the fact that we all (or maybe most) of us share a common interest in Northern Cyprus, and we, for the most, have the same sort of problems with builders etc.......Ask yourself, what else do we know about anyone else on here?

denizkisi


Joined: 18/09/2008
Posts: 196

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 14:05

You are quite right Britvic!! You only know what someone chooses to tell you. When I came here 6 years ago, we got chatting to a retired Doctor in a bar. A couple of months later we pointed him out to someone else and they swore he was a retired shop manager!!!!



Of course anyone that REALLY knows me, knows that I am in fact a 6ft super-model, in my early 20's, but since joining MI5 as a secret agent, I am just "in cognito" as a fifty something and just 5' 4 lol !!!

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 14:18

Exactly my point Mrs Berry! Lol



Seriously though, lately this question has popped up frequently, and as far as I can see no one has ever 'bared all', should they wish to do so is up to that individual, and who would care anyway? I don't think the CIA, FBI, or even MFI, would be remotely interested.

Like I said earlier, as long as you don't give full name etc... Who would know anything? Who would care?

joseph


Joined: 17/04/2008
Posts: 709

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 14:33

Britvic you make excellent points but I started the thread NOT that I believe people should bare all, but simply put true information in those slots were one is asked for name, age, occupation, with the option of giving an email address.



I understand the concerns of people who feel vulnerable about leaving their email address and I accept that, but would you agree that false names etc just leaves the site open to abuse by wums.



Again I am quite happy with each persons chosen pen name I am referring to

their true names for an open and honest declaration? No more no less.



Regards Joseph

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 14:57

Joseph, I for one would love people to put true information, there again I, as I suspect you, are honest (can never tell) therefore easy for us to give true information, and like it has been said before, most people who don't are for the most part bullies, some may well have been bullied on other board's, were they have given their true name and scared of the same thing happening again.

I do have to say though, it doesn't usually take too long before a person's 'true colours' appear, amazing how they always start of with such nice post's then change at the drop of a hat!

joseph


Joined: 17/04/2008
Posts: 709

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 15:12

Vicki



Couldn't agree more, well said.



Regards Martin

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 15:13

I can understand how knowing my age,occupation and location would assist members in "knowing where I was coming from" regarding my posts on here , but what possible purpose would knowing my real name achieve ?

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 15:20

Member Cronos

Name Cronos

Age 49

Gender Male

Marital Status Married

Location Here and there.

Occupation Hindsight Manager

Member Since 26/10/2008

Last Post 25/02/2009

Total Posts 656



None whatsoever! Just polite.

Vicki

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 15:25

So no real reason at all then ?



I asked a serious question,and suddenly you became my publicist?

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 15:34

Sorry Cronos, it was all getting a little too serious and the Devil got the better of me. What is a 'Hindsight Manager'? It sounds like a job I wouldn't mind myself.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 15:42

Like everyone else on here Britvic...it means I'm always wise AFTER the event !

joseph


Joined: 17/04/2008
Posts: 709

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 15:43

Hi Cronos, joking apart I have to admit an ulterior motive, allow me to explain.



When I first became aware of Cyprus44 it was after we had begun the process of buying in TRNC. If I had read most of the threads on here beforehand it would have neen a real stumbling block to buying here because the posts were so very negative and many were downright abusive. I joined anyway and once I had it became obvious to me that most abuse was thrown out by anonymous users, not all, but most.



Maybe I am a bit naive and too old fashioned British but knowing someone's

name for me is like shaking hands, it is an introduction, where you take that person at face value, sit down (at the pc) have a chat and share experiences, advice etc etc. To me knowing a name is almost an inhibitor to being abusive or offensive and acts as such. I also think it good manners



Cronos, am I wrong, or too new on this forum, to want to make it even better?



Regards Joseph

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 15:46

Joseph....you are probably too naive to the hidden perils of the internet in general.



But...no problem...if we ever meet up I will shake your hand and introduce myself using my real name.

joseph


Joined: 17/04/2008
Posts: 709

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 15:49

Cronos, I am pretty pc cred but always willing to learn



Hopefully we will have a beer or two?



Regards Joseph



PS, just so I know what is your first name as I would hate to miss you...

promise I won't tell anyone



J

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 23:22

well Joseph.nice to hear a little more about you,but for you it will soon be 1year

my name remains Spideron here,and sorry i dont spent money on beer,

and my shout is tea if i see you about,and i take it that you like Coffee.?













spiders about..

joseph


Joined: 17/04/2008
Posts: 709

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 23:25

Spider, coffee is fine, look forward to it



Regards Joseph

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 23:31

i will have a beer with you joseph////

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 23:37

This is my real name and yes I am a real Turtle !

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 23:46

msg43 toushay ////

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 23:51

Spider, oops sorry Alex, your a Carpenter? that's hand y to know.

Vicki

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
26/02/2009 00:30

Hiya peeps



If you knew who monitors this BB you would be mortified. Cyprus is one of the most militarised zones on the planet, with Turkey, Britain and Greece maintaining troops on the island together with the GC National Guard, all their intelligence branches routinely monitor both North and South BB's.



Everyone on here is known to them, they log the conversations and political detate. Obviously they don't get too excited about the quest for a stainless steel teapot but they know where you all are and what you all do. So take a bow. Oh and they all have their own agenda with what to do with that information. So don't worry, just panic!



You're famous, they even know where you live, who you are, what you do, everything. So enjoy your fame, there is no anomity here, those mickey mouse IP addresses that are posted can be crunched in a second with the equipment they have. Its all a load of old hokey espionage.



Happy Days. Smile and wave. Just smile and wave.



Lem

anomug


Joined: 19/01/2009
Posts: 53

Message Posted:
26/02/2009 00:30

I am a newcomer to this forum or any other in fact, but the main advantage I have gained from posting all my details, is that after criticising my advocate for not replying to my e-mails for three months, he took exception to being named and I actually got a response. I am sure Mr Erbilen is not a member but he is obviously an avid follower of Cyprus44. Perhaps I should contact him in this way henceforth, or is this not allowed?. Moderators please advise.

anomug

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
26/02/2009 00:38

Blimey Lem - I'm afraid, in fact, I'm very afraid!!



You've been a bit quiet lately - welcome back!!



Regards



J

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
26/02/2009 00:42

Bet they don't know what I had for tea ?

joseph


Joined: 17/04/2008
Posts: 709

Message Posted:
26/02/2009 01:58

Hi Rowlo, sounds good.



I know Edinburgh reasonably well as my daughter spent 4 years there doing her honours degree. She started the year they opened the new parliament buildings and boy did rents shoot up... any better

Yours is a beautiful city. (Well after Liverpool)



Fortunately she chose to do her masters at the Liverpool School of Tropical Medicine so commuted from home, thank heavens for small mercies.



Regards Joseph

anomug


Joined: 19/01/2009
Posts: 53

Message Posted:
22/03/2009 01:05

As my Advocate Mr Erdas Erbilen, Once again chooses not to respond to my e-mails, I thought that if as a avid reader of Cyprus44 he may choose to respond through this forum. Look forward to hearing from you.

anomug.

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