no smoking

borodave


Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 167

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 21:28

i have jusy spent a week in trnc looking to rent a villa for 6 month like i did last year. we had a real bad week of weather but i know the island needed the rain. after touring different villas we would go for a meal then back to the hotel, shower, chill then get ready to go out. being winter everything was inside obviously, but all the bars were full of people smoking and in most cases over powering. our clothes would smell of fag smoke and our eyes sore. does anybody think a no smoking bar/restaurant would do well in north cyprus. does everyone in north cyprus smoke dont take my word for it next time you go out look round and see for yourselves if your eyes are not too sore. DEBATE

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 21:55

you thought of Fengerolla, Dave..



No problems with land ownership either....





Nick

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 21:55

i think if they ban smoking then more bars / restraunts will close as is happening in the uk.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 22:07

best thing that ever happened in the uk.should be made worldwide and enforced with severe penalties for those who not obey the law...

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 22:09

hi boro the ban comes into restaurants from first january 2010. The rules are very uncertain. We have imposed a ban and to date nobody has minded going outside or to the bar area. It would appear that a ban has been in place for a number of years but never enforced. I suppose theyare now training up the smoking police. My guess they will only go to bars and restaurants that are owned by non cyps.It is very difficult with the cypriots as they tend to smoke between mouthfulls and to ask them to stop is a bit of a nightmare, also at the moment they make up most of our client base its so very hard to strike the right balance they are used to have the freedom to smoke british and eurpoean customers respect the law as they are used to it.soon we will be outside again so there will not be a problem xxxx

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 22:09

yeah coachie but not so good if you have a pub ?

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 22:11

thanks lilli thats what i meant .

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 22:19

I'm told that there is a smoking ban, but only in restaurants, bars will come later. There is a hefty fine for the landlord and also for the persons actually smoking.





DD

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 22:22

Rowlo ..I go to a pub where the landlord spent £5000 putting up proper outside facilities for his smokers and he has not suffered...Whereas his non smokers have increased..

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 22:24

been in a couple restaurants and they observed the new no smoking law, but noticed locals still smoking a favourite bar in Famagusta. I wonder if law will actually be enforced by police or inspectors.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 22:31

Not much chance of that happening in Cyprus.Probably in the top ten of highest smokers in Europe..

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 22:38

it is changing coachie again education education. They have a very high rate of cancer and they are realising. It will take time but I beleive Turkey have imposed the ban so we will follow. I think the fags here are fakes anyway so many get brought here thats why they are cheap. Did your pension get sorted , did you work for ASW. sorry being nosey but had lots of friends in wales who did and fighting dont know if it was ever resolved. You take care xxxxx

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 22:42

hiya daisy its just so hard to know what is right or what is accepted. We try to keep within the letter of the law then you get a smart ass cyp solicitor telling me I am denying him his rights. I want to give up xxxxxxxxxx

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 22:47

Thats totally understandable Lilli, but i think it's safe to say it's no longer accaptable to smoke in restaurants, but then saying that, it will probably only be enforced when government pay day is due and they've run out of money for police and other depatments! lol



DD

petez


Joined: 04/12/2008
Posts: 560

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 22:54

I gave up smoking not too long ago but don't agree with the plan,

The atmosphere in UK pubs has really suffered and lots have closed down.



They should have smoking and non-smoking bars and let smokers work in the smoking bars.



That way everyone is happy..

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 22:58

In America, bars and restaurants HAVE to supply a covered area for smokers. I've always thought that UK bars should also do this too! Not to much call for covered areas in Cyprus though. lol



DD

kenny



Joined: 26/05/2008
Posts: 405

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 22:59

Im just happy being in a bar or resaurant !

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 23:01

me to i dont really mind non smokers ?

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 23:01

daisy you are so right when they take all uk plated cars then it will be onto the smokers. You knoe the policed paid us a visit a few weeks ago and I asked them what now reply just checking you are european standard WHAT.pETEZ how can we implement it its one or the other xxxxxx

borodave


Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 167

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 23:28

measage 2 negativenick just asked a question dont want to go anywhere else and would not buy in the trnc not that you do buy or own your property thats why i rent and yes when the weather changes and everyone is outside there wont be as much of a problem with smokers but have smokers got any respect for non smoking diners or people with kids who dont smoke we have been outside eating last year when people have finished there meal as we have started ours and without asking us just lit up and blew there smoke all over us yes i am anti smoking and i now ask for a no smoking area if they have one if they dont i go to the next one all i am saying if there was a no smoking bar/restaurant i think personally there is a lot of people out there who would go there as they do not want to be put in that position or put there kids in that position is there anyone out there with a no smoking bar. for the record i run a restaurant and went no smoking a year befor the ban in england and my trade double

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 23:33

well dorodave we dol implent it against all the odds so far its working, but it is hard here

Arthur


Joined: 04/11/2008
Posts: 687

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 23:36

The ban was enforced by Michael Barrymore years ago- he always left his fags in the pool.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 23:40

what is happening there. i heard the essex police lost the paperwork. Is it going on now xxxx

Yvonne



Joined: 16/05/2008
Posts: 273

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 23:43

In a School science class four worms were placed into four separate jars.



The first worm was put into a jar of alcohol.

The second worm was put into a jar of cigarette smoke.

The third worm was put into a jar of sperm.

The fourth worm was put into a jar of soil.



After one day, these were the results:

The first worm in alcohol --- dead.

The second worm in cigarette smoke --- dead.

The third worm in sperm --- dead.

The fourth worm in soil --- alive.



So the science teacher asked the class --- "What can you learn from this experiment."



Little Johnny quickly raised his hand and said. "As long as you drink, smoke and have sex, you won't have worms

McSteviet



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1089

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 23:54

Anybody thought that the reason pubs are cloing down, might just be the cost of a pint.....maybe...maybe.



My local put up a pint of beer last week by 20p, I'm sorry but thats why I'm staying out of the pub



Mc

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 00:07

New smoking room built at Exotic hotel Kiyi restaurant, Bogas

Yvonne



Joined: 16/05/2008
Posts: 273

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 00:08

Hey Mc, don't broadcast it, or else supermarkets and off-ees will shoot up their prices!! Miss Y ;)

bear 1



Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 65

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 01:21

An average of 37 pubs per week are closing in the UK. The trade paper, The "Morning Advertiser" blames the smoking ban and or the extortionate rents of the greedy breweries. The rent and loss of trade through the smoking ban is why the prices have gone up. The UK Gov't stated that only 25% of the population smoke. It would therefore, have seemed reasonable to have 1 in 4 pubs designated as a "smoker" If they did that, I would go back in the trade like shot, as it would be the busiest pub in town. It would still leave 3 pubs or restaurants out of 4 for people who wish to be smoke free.

Whistler


Joined: 28/07/2008
Posts: 1332

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 01:27

No smoking at Club Simena, Karsiyaka since 1st January.

Cruella


Joined: 16/05/2008
Posts: 63

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 01:38

I am surpised anyone can afford to smoke. Whilst back in the UK its great to be now going to pubs and restaurants without smelling of smoke.



From what I have seen in the London area the pubs and restaurants are full because the prices have dropped, a bottle of decent wine in weatherspoons for £8 lots of restaurants have BOGOF and different offers, In Nc what do they do to encourage custom PUT UP THE PRICES.



Lilli I admire your conviction I will be certain to visit your restaurant when I go back to Cyprus.



Cruella

Nunu1


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 536

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 02:18

Borodave and other members, I have talked about the "SMOKING" issue before.



I Personally do not have a problem with People that smoke....However this is as long as i do not have to endure and breathe it in!!!



The Total Smoking Ban in the UK in Public and Working places for me is the best thing that has EVER happend! Going to a PuB, Bar or Restaurant is sheer bliss for me and others.



I am VERY impressed with the results and Smokers attitude in the UK, They have taken it well and abide by the rules. They go outside and have a smoke then come back inside and continue conversation. I know of smokers that have actually welcomed the ban and admitted it has helped them to cut down.



With regards to it contributing to the downfall of Pub/Bar closures in UK, I honestly believe the NO SMOKING BAN is a small percentage attributing to establishments closing down.



My Personal beliefs are it is a combination of factors mainly the rising costs of alchohol, soft drinks due to Greedy Brew

Aussie


Joined: 17/06/2007
Posts: 657

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 02:19

Haven't been for a while but the Fishermans Inn in the back streets behind the harbour in Kyrenia voluntarily went non smoking over a year ago.



A lot of the local coffee shops etc in Esentepe have also implemented the smoking ban now.



Aussie

Nunu1


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 536

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 02:28

Cont: eries and the usual Greedy Government putting on tax at every Budget!



Its all come together including now cash strapped people and the Credit Crunch recession people realize its *loody expensive to go out for a few pints or glasses of Wine.



It is a real shame that the good old Traditional UK Pub is dying and many closing down............



Going back to the issue of Smoking in Public Places throughout the World, It still need to be restricted to certain places to protect non Smokers.



I have lost People/Family/Friends etc Thru smoking.



One of my favourite Musicians recently Died (Heavy Smoker + Drink n Drugs)

John Martyn....A young Man at 60, and a very talented Guitarist.



Also a close talented Family friend, Also a semi Pro Guitarist, Died less than a week before Christmas, He used to smoke, and my God he could drink for the whole of the UK!!!



I will say no more on the subject.



nunu1

brend


Joined: 20/01/2009
Posts: 149

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 02:32

We have a pub/restaurant. Before the smoking ban we had half of the pub no smoking and half smoking. No complaints. Now it is all no smoking and the council have refused permission for a smoking shelter twice! (we are supposed to be greenbelt but the pub up the road has built a smoking shelter??) We get 80 yr olds standing out in the cold and rain and people complaining that they have to walk past people smoking at the front door. I personally gave up smoking 10 yrs ago so I class myself as a non smoker now, but this smoking ban has definately altered trade. If there are smokers in a group of people and they go out for a smoke it kills conversation. I don't understand why it is not possible to have a completely seperate room for smokers and those that wish to drink with them.

Bren

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 08:34

Yvonne that cracked me up..good way to start the day with a giggle.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 08:41

I am a smoker but respect that lots of ppl arent and would not dream of smoking in someone else's house unless invited, even then if they were non smokers, I would have more respect, however, I wish the non smoking fraternity would respect us smoker as well...too many moaning mimi's..if you dont smoke patronise places where there is no smoking..The Polar restaurant is non smoking...



Leave the smokers alone..this total non smoking in public places has killed many a business worldwide...I am sick of being treated like a disease ridden 2nd rate citizen.



I do not drink but I don't complain when in the company of ppl making total asses of themselves because they don't know when to stop.



I can jump in my car after smoking a packet of ciggies and still drive without killing anyone...

borodave


Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 167

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 15:53

deecyprus4 why do you think non smokers treat smokers this way it is because smokers dont care about non smokers they think they have a right to danger there lives contaminate there clothes etc if you want to kill yourself stay in your own house, in your own car etc. next time you go to a bar, restaurant or even the beach ask the persons near you if they mind you smoking near them. after all manners cost nowt

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 16:05

Borodave do you drink? do you ask the person next to you if they mind...get outta here...go to places where ppl don't smoke ...end of and stop whinging..

smithy


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 5301

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 16:12

Well my opinion is to have different Pubs/Restaurants for non smokers and for smokers, whatever you say most people who smoke don't want to stop, so if the non smokers know of the Pubs /Bars /Restaurants etc that do cater for them then they know before they venture out where to go, sorry but I will not be told what I can do, and the manners I was brought up with tells me not to light up when people are eating or there are children about.

But you are quite right pubs are closing down because of this and there are more people outside than in, and the atmosphere seems to have changed also.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 16:29

being a smoker myself i never smoke arround people that are not its called respect.i stand outside of peoples houses.and smoke in all weather..like a fool..

when talking to other i wait,then say am just moveing to smoak.and move away..a lot of people insist that i Can smoke in their home or car,but i just would NOT,even when people visit my home i go outside to smoke away from them.or light up when they have gone...This smoker has manners..but if someone asked me would i mind moveing.i would just say.well lets the both of us move then...called working together to solve one PROBLEM,dont think they would like that much though....

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 16:30

deecyprus4: We were inside a small cafe at christmas time too cold to sit outside, halfway through our meal a Brit couple came in sat at the table opposite and immediatley lit up, there were lots of other tables where they could have sat and no one around. No respect for us.

Why should non-smokers have to patronise no-smoking places for the sake of smokers?

Do you wash all your clothes after smoking a packet of ciggies?

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 16:37

The answer is to send all the non-smokers outside.

smithy


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 5301

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 16:42

We never as smokers sit where there is a non smoking area so if non smokers don't want to be around us that's fine and I Agree, but if you do sit there then why should we move if we are sitting in the right place, this is going to be an on going situation which I hope one day they will make Bars etc adequate for smokers/non smokers then we can all be HAPPY

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 16:47

Woodspeckie those ppl were ignorant asses and should have been told..I would never attempt to have a ciggys under those circumstances and yes I generally do wash my clothes after 1 wear...I have to say I have been in many places where drunks have ruined the evening and been sick and violent..smokers do not do that.



We need to live and let live.

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 16:51

My buddy asked me if I smoked after sex. I had to confess I'd never looked.

pinkchilli


Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 689

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 19:33

A freind told me she and 7 friends went for Sunday lunch at Lacem.



The restaraunt area is non-smoking with non-smoking signs. The bar area is separate and allows smoking.



The group was placed near to a couple of diners. The man was smoking big cigars.



One of the diners complained to the owner/manager, who simply shrugged his shoulders and said I told him, but what can I do?



The restaurant had ashtrays on every table!!!



Finally, the cigar smoker was a Brit.

smithy


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 5301

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 19:39

To right Dee I would rather be around a smoking person than a violent Drunk, and who would not wash their clothes after wearing them, smokers or non smokers, how long do you want to wear them for

tonni


Joined: 07/12/2008
Posts: 178

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 19:47

went to bingo this afternoon at the WATERMILL HOTEL,health minister was there [not playing],as from next wed NO smoking allowed,

borodave


Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 167

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 21:20

deecyprus4 yes i do drink does that effect you why do you go to a bar just to smoke if thats the case stay at home where the only person your smoke effects is you i dont think the bar owner will be pleased you just turning up for a fag without spending owt and using there facilities and are you saying all drinkers whether they smoke or not are violent.

tonni


Joined: 07/12/2008
Posts: 178

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 21:27

dee msg 38,,,,,,right on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 22:10

Borodave ..agree with you 100%, but you are wasting your time trying to discuss it onthis forum with some of posters on here.If I was you next time you go out ask the owner if his place is smoking/non smoking.Should you get the wrong answer try some where else.I smoked for 51 yrs and had more manners than to smoke in a restruant,always went outsid after I had finished eating, for my bacca,called common courtesy.Smokers will always find some excuse to say they are being persecuted,dont seem to want ot understand what it is doing to other people.I certainly dont think the no smoking ban in this country has caused all the pub closures.A landlord where I live was doing well after taking over a pub that had closed down,because he started doing good food and put Sky tv in.After three months the brewery put his rent uo from £525 p/week to £1100 p/week needless to say the pub is now closed.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 22:19

What an ignorant little man you are coachie...not once did I say I smoked in restaurants..you really do need to educate yourself adequately to pick a fight with some of the more intelligent posters...I have courtesy for non smokers...you clearly, as I have said before, cannot read properly..

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 22:20

Borodave I do not go to bars so that killed your arguement

borodave


Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 167

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 22:21

thanks coachie you are dead right about posters one has started another post on same subject sniping at me. not bothered though might go for a drink and get violent. getting back to smokers blaming the ban on pub closures which is wrong. in my restaurant we went no smoking one year befor the ban and our trade doubled. like you said good food good beer good prices. the thing that has closed pubs down is big breweries putting tenants and managers rent up and increasing beer prices. i own my own pub/restaurant and we are a free house so we can shop about for the best deals even the big super markets are some times better nowt to do with the smoking ban only on estate pubs and town center pubs would i agree that it was due to the ban

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 22:28

i go to bars.and just have Tea,and do not like drunks.the drink can make them forget their manners.i happen to be a smoker with manners.















spider

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 22:41

I was a smoker for 45years but stopped after a heart attack, I can see both sides of the argument but people will always have different opinions depending on their own preferences, what a pity though that it can't be discussed on this board, by adults, without people getting rude, hostile and offensive. If that is the attitude on a BB then how on earth are we going to get any sort of compromise agreeable to both sides.

borodave


Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 167

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 22:43

spider i dont like drunks but do like smokers with manners like a lot of the people i go out with and for people who smoke and dont go to bars[deecyprus4] this debate is not about you its about smokers with no manners who go to bars

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 22:46

Borodave ..did you see the reply in message 52.Never even mention any ones name and out comes the the crap I expect from that woman.I was generalising about smokers having been one myself but oncre again I am told to educate myself if I wish to pick a fight with the more intelligent people on this board.She has the the biggest holier than thou attitude I have ever come across.For your information DC4,I am not little (6ft1) I have good educational merits .I was a licensed aircraft engineer before going into the petro-chemical industry so I consider myself to be a average person,whereas you seem to think you are better than any one else on this board,and that really comes to the fore front when some body dis\agrees with your statements.If you dont visit bars,where do all these drunks come from who spoil your evening??I would consider it an absolute waste of time to discuss any thing with a self rightious biggot like yourself ..good night

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 22:52

Coachie,



Don't even go there, it aint worth it cos some people do not understand the meaning of reasoned debate, it always has to end up as a slanging match and that is why there are less people willing to post on the board nowadays.

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 23:33

Borodave, where is your restaurant? Sorry everyone going off thread, but borodave is a from my neck of the wood's.



And in case anyone's interested Boro is winning 2-0 to West Ham

borodave


Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 167

Message Posted:
25/02/2009 23:44

well said coachie where are the moderators i thought you were not suppose to abuse and name call other board members. britvic the sutton arms faceby which your mother and father in law eat regulary when home from trnc

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
26/02/2009 00:03

Ermm, borodave You Swine! I bet you come in our warehouse too! Lol Did you see John and Linda in N.C?

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
26/02/2009 00:15

Hattikins..I am sorry but I have had it with that woman...

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
26/02/2009 01:59

Coachie wind your neck in have another glass of wine lol...sad..

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
26/02/2009 10:08

I am SO happy to be able to go to a pub / restaurant and not have to risk Cancer from passive inhalation and having to endure the smell on my clothes.



The "rump" RoC has had laws about making "non smoking" areas for years, but were never enforced until recently.



Just think of the millions the govt of TR /"TRNC" would make if it upped the duty on Cigarettes... if it dared..



Of course all those slim smokers would gain weight if they give up ;)

smithy


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 5301

Message Posted:
26/02/2009 10:15

We all have a choice to smoke of don't smoke but that is our decision and we respect the other peoples so lets choose to differ, why argue with all the problems here at the moment we could all be smoking this time next year

smithy

Jaybee


Joined: 11/11/2008
Posts: 228

Message Posted:
26/02/2009 10:34

Went into a bar in Alsancak yesterday who'd had inspectors round and was told under 18's are now not allowed in bars that allow smoking. If its the no smoking restaurant area, or an outside bar, thats OK, but not inside. This law will only be applicable until Jan 2010, as officially there should be no smoking in bars then so kids will be allowed back in.

borodave


Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 167

Message Posted:
26/02/2009 12:26

smithy you have a choice to smoke or not smoke non smokers dont have a choice to breath your smoke in

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
26/02/2009 13:33

I agree with the poster who said that there should be non smoking bars and smoking bars, would definitely solve the problem...I think..or would the smokers want to come into the nice clean smelling atmosphere,because they are fed up of the choking smoke and coughing and wheezing in there establishments.Just a thought...

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
26/02/2009 13:45

Live and let live! One life, do what the heck you like as long as it doesn't bother other people! That goes for smoking or drinking, I personally would love to see a smoking drunk, probably won't feel it till the next day! Lol