Corruption... cover up... or just plain dishonesty?

joseph


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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 02:46

A heavy subject to muse over your morning coffee



It was announced on Wed. in the U.K. that New Labour used its government power of veto to supress the release of Cabinet minutes disclosing discussions with regards to the Iraq war and it's legality.



Previous attempts by the press and interested parties to obtain the minutes under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 had been upheld by the courts.

New Labour decided that rather than make a final appeal to the High Court it would be a safer bet to use it's act of veto.



This is the first time in Parliamentary history such veto has ever been used.

Cries of shame rang thru the commons after the announcement.

The governments own Information Watchdog had earlier called for full disclosure.



N.B my tag is not for/against the war, but rather don't we have the right to be told the truth about such huge decisions made in our name?



Do you think these people will ever admit to the truth...

Or better still... tell it?



Joseph

fire starter


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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 08:18

cover up!

what all goverments do.

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 08:24

Joseph No I don't, I am however divided on this issue.



We all know the war in Irag was illegal, was it about oil or george bush's revenge for his father's miserable failure?...WMD never existed and Blair and Bush jointly should be charged with war crimes...However saying this, I do think somethings have to remain with the walls of No10...for national security.



Do we need to told what we already know....maybe yes...maybe this should be in the public domain ...

Harlequin


Joined: 02/10/2008
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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 09:22

Glad to see that we have an expert in international law on the board (deecyprus4).



I wonder if she would be kind enough to give us an opinion on the legality of firing rockets into Israel from Gaza on a daily basis and what response would be permissable under international law.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 09:29

Joseph. It's one big cover up. There were no weapons of mass destruction and the disclosure of these notes would prove it.

Hippo


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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 10:10

And the Hippo wonders Mr Harlequin, the legality of building a wall around a community denying them the basic neccessitys, (food, medicine and light and power) making them prisnors in thier own country and then slaughtering them.

What does your international law say about that?

frontalman



Joined: 28/02/2008
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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 10:46

If they all had a good laugh at someone passing wind, do we really need to know that?

bridie


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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 12:21

Well said Hippo.

joseph


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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 18:14

Hi Frontalman,



But this isn't about who farted or who didn't... excuse my French...



But were the UK public told the truth in the build up to war etc?



They represent you and me and I for one want the truth, these are not matters of national security, which is a totally different ball game, this is about the tosh they decided would bring us on board at the time.



To me it yet again proves that this rotten lot are about do what we say...

not what we do... I believe first and formost they owe representation to the electorate and not to "The Party"



Or am I wrong



Regards Joseph

rowlo



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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 18:32

no matter who leads the country, any country , they will milk it for all its worth , they will lie ,cheat, and tell you anything you want to hear as long as your voting them onto the big gravy train that never ends,

Harlequin


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Posts: 346

Message Posted:
27/02/2009 22:02

Hippo



You asked a valid legal questions. What is the answer to it?



I asked a valid legal question. What is the answer to it?



Your question is not the answer to my question.

Coachie



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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 22:11

Harlequin ..you have really put your foot in it now.Be prepared for the lecture of your life....

Coachie



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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 22:16

Harlequin.. seepage 4 item about Israeli tennis star ,and you will see what you are up against...

Harlequin


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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 22:47

Coachie



They daren't bring themselves to answer the question. They are incapable of taking an objective view.



They must insist that this side or that side is wrong. The truth is both sides are wrong but that is too complicate for them to grasp.

spider


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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 22:52

joseph did no one even tell you that if you had a SEAT in parliment you would not even know for a long time after events they dont rearly vote you know..

Coachie



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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 23:09

Harlequin..I agree and thats all I want to say or I might get accused of being a "sad little pathetic imbecile" again.Best of luck if they do answer...

Hippo


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Message Posted:
28/02/2009 07:06

The Hippo has never never called anybody that, may have thought it a few times but never did the fingers falter.

Mr Harlequin your tone if i may call it that seemed to suggest a statement rather than a question if i am wrong, i unreasenably apologise.



It isnt a matter of aportioning bame but rather one of unjustifiable aggresion a sledge hammer to crack a walnut.

i know if i was sitting in a bomb shelter in Ashkelon i may have a different opinion than that, and yes i can sympathise with them.

However actions and policys are not decided by that pearson but by politicians and the radical zionists who used the misfortunes of the individuals in the southern Israel citys to unlease mayhem and murder on the palastinians of Gaza.

It certainly strengthened thier hold on the West Bank (land still held after the 6 day war, but nobody tells them to hand it )

After the Arndale centre bombing or the Warrington one did we try and anialate the Cathlic population of the Bogside or Falls.

Hippo


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Message Posted:
01/03/2009 17:46

No answer then Mr Harlequin? the Hippo enquires

Harlequin


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Message Posted:
01/03/2009 17:55

Hippo



I don't think you have said anything that requires an aswer from me, rather the contrary.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
01/03/2009 18:44

joseph, your msg 1, all 3 my friend probably ?

joseph


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Message Posted:
24/03/2009 23:02

Well guys thet are at it again... dishonest... or not?



New Labour minister Tony McNulty has claimed over £60,000 in "expenses" by putting down his parents home as his second home because it is apparently 3 or 4 miles nearer to the house of commons. He claimed he called in there to carry out "parliamentary work" as it was nearer? ... £60,000 nearer



This is the same guy that sat poe-faced on tv a few weeks ago before a woman who had just lost her job at Woollies after thirty odd years "(her partner also) and was worried sick about her family. Pity he didn't offer some of the sixty grand to help her and her family's plight?



What makes me so angry is how stiff necked all these mps have become and just shrug it off because they know in a week or two it will be someone elses turn to be "found out"



I think they are beyond feeling shame?



Joseph

kaiserphil


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Message Posted:
24/03/2009 23:41

Joseph - you are right - shame, they don't know what the word means!

What country does that remind you of, however?

joseph


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Message Posted:
25/03/2009 02:22

Kaiser...



E.U.



Another gravy train for politicians

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
25/03/2009 13:15

The point is his main house was only 9 miles from House of Commons. He was paying a mortgage on the house his parents live in because he lived there until 2002 when he moved into his Wife's house but in January he stopped claiming expenses for it because the interest was so low he could now afford to pay the mortgage himself!

Coachie



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Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
25/03/2009 15:17

and do you think he is the only one doing it?Both sides are atit not just New Labour. the other side is as rotten as the ones we have at the momentand the system willnever change so why get all hot and bothered. As for Iraq,legal ornot it was the best move the west ever did,because if we had not got rid ofthe worst dictator in history god only knows what the situation in the middle east would be like now.Ask any Iraqi what they think about his demise and see what answers you will get.Yes,probablywe should pull out now but it should only be done if the people of Iraq are going to be safe..

kibrissibel


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Message Posted:
25/03/2009 19:33

Funny how the Iraq war was illegal and yet there were no repercussions for the USA and Britain. The Turkish intervention of TRNC in 1974 was deemed by those countries to be illegal and embargoes were imposed on the TRNC. and it has been living with the repercussions ever since. How hypocritical!