Turkey's "soft under belly" - for Tatlad

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 12:06

In the thread about "TRNC" exchange land, it was mentioned that the TR Military do not WANT to leave CY as they regard it as important to "protect TR's soft underbelly"



Tatlad thinks this is some daft "GC propagandist notion".



I therefore invited him to view this link..





http://www.eurasianet.org/departments/insight/articles/eav050703a.shtml



But he says it still makes no sense to him.. well it makes no sense to me, either.



However, it has been said.



Does anyone wish to counter ?

Tiggy


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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 12:30

mmmmmm. all this political stuff all the time. It's not good for you. Just going around in circles, getting nowhere.



Lighten up, get away from your computer a lbit more. Honest mate.......go away and have a break and think about things.....you will realise life is too short to take it all too seriously and become entrenched in sending messages back and forwards to which, will not make a bit of difference. .



From a concerned forum member.

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 13:13

I'm sure if you asked any military man about Cyprus he'd say it protected Turkeys soft underbelly. If Cyprus wasn't there I'm sure they'd manage without it but who'd want to see it there but not under their control, from their point of view?

I also think any future TR troop reductions, as part of CY reunification, would probably leave behind an ample facility and infrastructure manned by the troops allowed to stay, which could very quickly be reoccupied by reinforcements under close air-cover from TR itself.

spider


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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 13:32

i think that ya should all get on down the bar,and start up a war,sounds like ya all might end up all a fighting outside...............................look after them hearts,you only live once lighten up....enjoy life,,leave it to the ones that get PAID for it.let them mess it up.chill out











spider.xx

Macha


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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 13:37

Tiggy: "mmmmmm. all this political stuff all the time. It's not good for you. Just going around in circles, getting nowhere."



Is it too heavy for you, pet? Only in all your postings I have yet to find anything containing political analysis or serious debate. Plenty of sniping at other people, though.



So how about contributing to the thread rather than making spiteful comments to the person who actually went to the trouble of providing the information?

Tiggy


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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 14:16

Sorry I was talking to mmmmmm.



mmmmmm, my concerns were legit as you seem ok to me. I have in the past made my views and read and understood others on the political scene here. Nothing changes. I feel the spoken word is better understood.



In future let others answer for themselves.



Other than that I wish you and Juliet a nice day.



Patrick. (real name)

ROBnJO


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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 14:30

I have just read (& re-read) m&ms' link from post 1.



My initial comment is that it was written in 2003, which by my estimation is approx 25 years out of date in political terms!



Rob

jay76


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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 15:01

macha/pikey/juliet/suzane



99% of your threads are political can you not talk about anything else or even be a bit helpful on another thread, YES go on now look at my threads thats how predictable you are and everybody knows it, so take your girly sailor suit off and do one, you lonely sad 39 year old boy.



ps, dont reply with the same old records you play.

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 15:13

Well said Tiggy and take a bow

juliet


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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 20:47

jay76



you obviously don`t read all the threads on this forum as myself & macha have contributed to quite a few posts away from politics.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 21:13

tiggy if you dont reply to the 3 amigos they will go somewhere else and spout theyre bile , chill ,

Turtle


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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 21:21

You are quite right rowlo, they have probably ruined many other forums and now starting to dismantle this one.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 21:26

toushay/////////////

Lemtich



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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 21:31

Just a thought.



In the event of a settlement and GC's coming back to the north, I cannot see that Turkish troops would leave completely and those that were left would not be continually confined to barracks and presumeably allowed out when off duty. That would necessitate the need for Turkish military police as a presence on the streets of TRNC towns and cities.



This would be a surreal scenario and I just can't picture acquisant GC's rubbing shoulders with those they still regard as invaders and occupiers. The more I think about it, only a conferation of 2 semi autonomous states would work, each having its own ethnic and national identity, probably a bit like Belgium or maybe not. In that case the land issue would remain a political problem rather than a legal one and compensation rather than restitution the most likely path.



I really think that the 2 parts of Cyprus have now grown so far apart that the idea of a single working republic is no longer feasible.



Lem

rowlo



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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 21:37

good post lem , welcome back /

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 21:39

juliet

'you obviously don`t read all the threads on this forum as myself & macha have contributed to quite a few posts away from politics'



Yeah right. Not sure whether the word 'contributed' is the right word to use.

AJ

Macha


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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 21:51

jay76



I read this and thought of you : )



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postman_Plod

Macha


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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 22:21

Lemtich: "That would necessitate the need for Turkish military police as a presence on the streets of TRNC towns and cities. This would be a surreal scenario and I just can't picture acquisant GC's rubbing shoulders with those they still regard as invaders and occupiers."



The guys you see with the white and red "Asiz" helmets on are Turkish army MPs, and they can be seen most days out and about in the TRNC. So nothing new there. Also I have GC friends who are realists about the Turkish occupation and don't have a problem with individual soldiers doing their job - the problem is Turkey the deep state.

Turtle


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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 22:35

Turkish army MP,s...........Ive been visiting since 2003 and can't say i have ever seen one,





Must be me then.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 22:55

not just you, it's me as well Turtle. Never seen one

rowlo



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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 23:04

what a load of crap macha your msg 18

Bradus


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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 23:05

Nor have I.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 23:08

John (Macha)

You have lost the plot yet again.

Tiggy


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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 23:39

msg 11,



Les, Chill....that is my middle name.



I understand your point of view, but you have to realise that the Prophet of Doom and his alleged female side kick have been suspended in the past and banned from this board. They seem to be "the Undead"



Ignoring them will not stop the bitterness that they take delight in. Their intent is to clearly upset people.



I take no delight in having to respond to these deluded persons.

Lilli



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Message Posted:
27/02/2009 23:59

hi lkem great post and sincere welcome back, i missed you xx

Lemtich



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Message Posted:
28/02/2009 00:15

Re the Turkish military police.



Last August I saw 2 of them in Girne. They strolled down Girne High Street on the right hand side from the big TV screen scanning all the Turkish youths with their eyes. They were in uniform, and had their trousers tucked into their high boots, they looked as hard as nails and had pistols in holsters on their belts but positioned around the back out of sight. They also wore their caps at an angle with some sort of insignia, I didn't stare as I didn't want to attract their interest, they stopped at the entrance to Tin Pan Alley and used a mobile phone or radio. They certainly weren't taking in the sights. As I strolled further on down to use a cashpoint, I met a Turkish soldier conscript in uniform in a doorway by the bank. He was the worse for wear for drink and looked terrified as he kept glancing up the street from where I'd come from. I decided not to use the cashpoint, get the hell out of it, and headed for the harbour.



Lem

spider


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Message Posted:
28/02/2009 00:28

dear god he could ahve shot you.....drunk and in charge of a gun...let all us brits get them out....now thats a sulution.!!!!!!!!!!!!!















spider..

rowlo



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Message Posted:
28/02/2009 00:56

what an idiot you are spider ?????????????

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
28/02/2009 08:31

This thread was started, simply because we had gone off thread on another topic and a poster, rightly, "objected".



"interesting" to se all the usual suspect then "jumping" in here and "whining" about political threads...



It was certainly NOT posted as a "wind up" !



If it bores you pass on by...



I wonder if Tatlad still thinks it's "GC propaganda" !!





re msg 7 RobnJo



I can assure you that if you ask the editorial of, say, Afrika, in "TRNC" they'll put you "straight" !!

jay76


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Message Posted:
28/02/2009 10:43

jay76





I read this and thought of you : )





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postman_Plod



Macha if thats the best you can do then i rest my case. ha ha

fire starter


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Message Posted:
28/02/2009 10:53

why is it when someone posts something serious you have to lower it to school playground level?

some of us are past that stage.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
28/02/2009 10:56

RE 14, "Lemtich"



Hi Kev,



just because for 30+ years, one side tried to keep the tribes apart, should mean we should either force re building of bridges or leave 'em demolished.



If Ian Paisley can drive in the south and not get his car pelted with stones ( anyone remember the silly Bugger trying that flying a Union flag ?! ) and can now sit in N.I's parliament cracking jokes with Martin McGuinness ..ANY THING is possible !

Macha


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Message Posted:
28/02/2009 11:13

Good to see at least Lemtich knows Turkish MPs when he sees them. I can only assume the others visit north Cyprus once in a blue moon.

tattlad


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Message Posted:
28/02/2009 11:31

mmmmmmmmmm Do you believe everything you read ? ha ha ha ha ha ha I don't.

kenny



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Message Posted:
28/02/2009 11:48

there is a regular patrol of Turkish MP's

round the harbour area of Girne.

I spend some time reading & sipping some

firewater down in the harbour bars, see them

all the time.

ROBnJO


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Message Posted:
28/02/2009 12:56

I quite like having Macha/Pike/Juliet etc. posting on here!



At least it gets the 'juices' flowing!



Rob



p.s. m&ms',... are you suggesting I'm not 'straight'??

andre 514


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Message Posted:
28/02/2009 15:54

msg 32 m&ms



share your optimism about ireland: but it is a totally different situation,

mainly because there is no land dispute over there any longer



'course for the two sides to reach a similar understanding in cyprus

will never happen

because all the mickey mouse courts and all the king's men

cannot put cyprus together again...

puttin' the frighteners on foreigners and bashing the brits

may give some people a warm glow and even earn them a few bob

but it won't change the borders, obviously,lol



of course if the talks were real talks, both sides would compromise,

something they seem strangely reluctant to do



I wonder why?

redtom


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Message Posted:
28/02/2009 17:01

Mach I Also have TC friends who are realists about the Greek occupation and don't have a problem with individual soldiers doing their job - the problem is Greece the deep state.

andre 514


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Message Posted:
28/02/2009 17:57

redtom msg 38,



don't you mean "the turkish occupation"?

greek (cypriot) control of north cyprus only lasted from 1960-1974



ethinc greeks suffered terrribly from the foreign occupation of cyprus:

the domination of the latins from 1191 until 1489 starting with guy de lusignan

established feudal rule, while the orthodox church was persecuted

and land was given away, to mostly french foreign noblemen and barons



after the ottomans tooks took control of the island in 1571, the greek church was afforded protection and ethnic greek cypriots enabled to buy back lands

andre 514


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Message Posted:
01/03/2009 00:38

mark re msg 1



your 2003 article is still relevant:

there are well-known tensions between turkey's government and generals



the writer uses the phrase "soft underbelly"

this was coined by winston churchill in order to persuade everyone

(ie the americans) to attack via italy, not france in 1943,

needless to say the allied armies quickly became bogged down



he refers to reports that it is the high command that wants to stay in cyprus

not the turkish government: so now we know



six years on and both the eu accession talks and the re-unification talks

are not going well but the turkish government still needs to persuade everyone

(ie the eu-ropeans) that turkey really wants to be in the eu



as a member of the feline family from behind your dustbin

I may not be well-versed in all this geo-political hoo-ha and mumbo-jumbo,

but I guard my territory with sharp claws and a deadly bite,

so I know exactly what a desperate miaow sounds like when I hear one



"the alleycat"

breezyboy


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Message Posted:
02/03/2009 11:26

anyone got pre 1571 title land?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
04/03/2009 11:32

re msg 40 andre



1/ Thank you re confirming the relevance.. I wonder if tatlad might listen to you ? ;)



2/ Yes, the land issue is the key - there wan't the mass ethnic cleansing in recent history.

clarets



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Message Posted:
04/03/2009 18:35

I have never seen an MP either(apart from the degenerates in Whitehall!)

clarets



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Message Posted:
04/03/2009 18:40

We all go on about people getting into office ,who have international arrest warrants out on their heads,but Martin McGuinness does sit in the NI assembly and isnt he a CONVICTED murderer!

Stubs


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Message Posted:
04/03/2009 18:43

There is a good chance that no one has paid particular attention to the MP's. But now you know what they are you will notice them.



By not being noticed they are doing their jobs

WAZ-24-7



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Message Posted:
04/03/2009 21:43

The Turkish Military presence upon Cyprus does, in my opinion, offer a level of perimeter protection to mainland Turkey.

I hardly think that the Southern Coastline of Turkey can be termed its "soft underbelly". The Turkish military is a superior force in the region. It is a fact that Military might does command respect.



Like the British, Cyprus is of very significant importance to Turkey and indeed any European Union member. The Geographical position provides a command over the volatile middle East. The Island provides a bastion against attack upon the Suez Canal. Its proximity to North Africa provides for a staging post for possible events in Libia and other North African countries.



Any pressence, by any military force upon the Island is deemed a real Gem and unlikely to be surrendered without complaint.



Turkish influence has been on the Island for many thousands of years and is likely to continue whilst it has the military strength to call the shots.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
04/03/2009 23:34

re 44 Clarets.. no he's not..

Macha


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Message Posted:
04/03/2009 23:36

clarets: "Martin McGuinness does sit in the NI assembly and isnt he a CONVICTED murderer!"



Is he? Either I missed something, or you could be hearing from Mr McGuiness' lawyers. Big payout for defamation at that level.

erolz


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Message Posted:
05/03/2009 00:02

Mr McGuinness was convited of criminal offenses , twice, but not I believe murder.



BTW the payout in defamation cases relates to the amount of 'harm' done to the defamed persons reputation. At the simplest level the more people that saw / heard the defamation the more damage and the more financial award in compensation. With all due respect to Izzet and his fine forum here I do not think that it attracts the kind of audience numbers that would ever translate into a 'big payout' in a defamation case of someone like Mr McGuninnes. He has in fact faced accusations from journalists like Peter Taylor and Michael McDowell re IRA involvement and whilst denying them he has never to my knowledge sued anyone for defamation. Info curtesy of wikipedia btw.

clarets



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Message Posted:
05/03/2009 00:51

It was a question wasnt it.....Macha.I was only asking the question......please dont put words in my mouth.I would however like to point out that defamatiot is very difficult to prove,and a man of his very dubious talents is hardly likely to take on a man such as myself,with a spotless track record.

If he wants to,I welcome it.I have NOTHING to hide,whereas Mr McGuinness most certainly will have!

Turtle


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Message Posted:
05/03/2009 00:56

Incredible !

Slag off the TRNC for all sorts of corruption but support Martin Mcguiness ?



Says it all really..

clarets



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Message Posted:
05/03/2009 01:02

It does rather.....Touche Turtle.Like I said.......not worried about Mr McGuiness at all.....bring on the defamation case......I would relish such public scrutiny......not certain he would however.

Tiggy


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Message Posted:
05/03/2009 03:06

What has Mr McG got to do with protecting Turkey's underbelly.



In Stormont.....dubious charachters sit on opposite sides in the assembly. A certain self ordained minister has terrorist links and no doubt blood on his hands in the past. Let him/her that is without sin, cast the first pipe bomb.



Lets keep to the original thread, to which "I" think it has run its course and should be closed.

clarets



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Message Posted:
05/03/2009 10:03

I would tend to agree with sticking to the original point !

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
05/03/2009 10:15

This thread is now closed. Reason: Thread went off topic.