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dodger



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Sorry mate missed it all well done for coming back with your comments.The board needs you,

Paul.



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"Here Here"



He told a few home truthts. only members of the "Hole in the Head" gang posted anti "wynstar" guff.



Look forward to his next appearance.



hattikins


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Gone but not forgotten John, great stuff.



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tiggy ..excellent comment.



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Joining the chorus: Oh Wyn, source of all wisdom and wit on this board, don't keep us waiting and begging...



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Dodger...perhaps you could have emailed or phoned him/wyn...........



and before it all kicks off lets all Youtube.and hold hand...

Heatwave Always and FOREVER.....ITS got to get you all thinking....











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here here msg1 .



dodger



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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePZzoUcOnXA



there you go spider,

Paul.



spider


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oh dodger thats so nice of you...did try it out for first time today...now need to practice the download lark,and me photos,etc...never to old and have the rest of me days,tis all gooooooooooood fun.xx













am just am small spider,



dodger



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No probs mate.As you say just a bit of fun.Some people on here tend to take things a little to seriously.As my old man used to say " youre a long time dead"



spider


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just had my fix for the day....come on WYN...Lister....tis good.

















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britvic



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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b1EpJE-ox0



This is more of a song for Wyn methinks.



I will say this for John Cooper, not many people on here know, in our town he is a very well respected business man who is considered a real gentleman,not one person has anything bad to say about John.

Well done Wyn, and Lady Wyn.



dodger



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Well said Vicky,how much has that cost him,lol



britvic



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Lol, Paul I should have stepped in earlier and said this, but was always scared of an onslaught, it's not something you can say in the middle of a vicious argument, could you imagine?..................Erm well actually I know you have just said that Wyn is a bleep and a bleep but......................... Nah, don't think so! Rof!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5WOnktfvd0



This is for anyone who get's embroiled in a Wyn no Wyn situation. Help!



dodger



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Vicki,

I have never had a problem with the guy and i love his sense of humour,

Paul.



simbas



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Me too Paul xx



dodger



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And yours Pat x



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me too Paul and Simbas. Wyn is okay in my book



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Im feeling a bit sick.



britvic



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Too much lunch BillyB?



simbas



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Re msg 19 . Just relax Sweetie and take deep breaths through you mouth , that's it , and again , good you'll be alright .



britvic



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Maybe he needs some alkaselzer? Simbas



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Or he may have had a rude awakening from Sea Terra !!! Only joking Billy B



dodger



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He (wyn) is a very nice man.



britvic



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Paul, dare I ask where Newlad is? I miss him and his cheery picture, always looked happy.



dodger



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Vicky,

You minx i cannot discuss new lad on here.Dodge does smile though honestly.



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I wonder if you lot would miss me as much as Wyn if I vacated the boards?

Pipie, Glad your only joking, I was about to sue you.



britvic



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Of course you would be missed BillyB, who are you?



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I dont know.



Macha


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Not in the least an old fool and hypocrite with equally dim supporters.



Tiggy


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He had your measure, you little [EXPLETIVE DELETED ]. I suppose being put in your place must be annoying! The forum idiot you have been dubbed.



When you were circumcised, they threw the wrong end away.



Were you out on the Karpaz over the weekend with your day tripping GC buddies looking over the land situation!?





[WATCH YOUR CHOICE OF WORD - HAROLD2555]



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Re,msg 8.all together now......just had another FIX...tis good.

















Thanks spider.



britvic



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Spider, have a look at message 12 I think you will like that too, better than those men in leotards!



dodger



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Patrick, mess 31 put pikey down you dont know where he has been,lol



cocos


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Have to agree with DeeCyprus4's opinion on Wyn



spider


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Its all about WORDS..dont mind if they have to sing in Leotards...no problems..

















spider,x



dodger



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Cocos,

Eveyone is entiled to have an opinion,just no need to make it personal.



juliet


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tiggy. msg 31. At least Wyn NOW admits he bought in an unrecognised state.... is that why you are so rude sometimes as you don`t like the truth...



Macha


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msg 38,



Reckon so. Mr Angry probably bought on one of those abandoned council estates being built east of Alakadi for expats of limited budget and morals. Well, they certainly look like council estates even though only half built.



simbas



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Actually not



Macha


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Actually not what..?



britvic



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I will say this for John Cooper, not many people on here know, in our town he is a very well respected business man who is considered a real gentleman, and not one person has anything bad to say about John.



Well done Wyn, and Lady Wyn.



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When wyn was threatening to post the email that he recieved from Deecyprus4 and then she decided to post it first, it was one of the funniest things I have ever seen on cyprus44. I haven't laughed like that since Gary Robb got deported. Is it me or have I got a wicked sense of humour. Dee send me an email. Its only words.



simbas



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Hi Brit , that does'nt surprise me one little bit

Regards , Simbas



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msg 39



A real eyesore arn`t they!



Tiggy


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Juli...whoever you really are....you are so far off the truth it hurts me. Where I have invested will be staying in my name and will be handed down to my children. I keep my nose out of your business......so please respect mine!



Your little mate "numb nuts" explanation of the alleged council block I have invested in is his poorest attempt yet to try and belittle me!. Please read it over again [EXPLETIVE DELETED - MINOR]and you will think......"did I really write that shite" !!



You really are a pair of sad individuals......You remind me both of the redneck's in deliverance. Are you related??



Mr Angry.......Oh Nooooooooooo he's not.



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As one who reads (an laughs at more than with) rather than posts, it's maybe not my position to interject, but I must say that following the posts over the months from Mr Wynyardman (whom the origins of this post presided over), it is my conclusion that he is thoroughly liked by many if not most, and rightly so, being apparent from his writings that he is a true gentleman, it seems that his downfall may be a lack of uncouthness on his part, precipitated by so many on this forum.

Perhaps the more upper class members should refrain a little from enticing the less educated masses who will clearly revolt at the slightest altercation.

Mr Dodger msgs various and Mrs Britvic msg42, you have my fulmost support.

Mrs Andrew.



Macha


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Actually Tigs that was almost as funny as your Kapparis Kid persona.



Macha


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julie.andrews: "Perhaps the more upper class members should refrain a little from enticing the less educated masses who will clearly revolt at the slightest altercation."



You must be referring to the ones who bought the "exchange" properties, Jules. Can't see the attraction, myself....



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Macha,



May I ask a serious question please, if you dislike so much about TRNC, feel that it is an illegal state run by corrupt officials, have such a low opinion of the British who have bought here and take great pleasure in insulting them, why do you choose to own a property here, irrespective of whether it is GC or TC owned,do you actually get any pleasure from having the property ?



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!!!!!, come on dodger bring it down here.the ttttt/www/.....you know what they need,,,that nice blue line...lets all sing along..





Never met the man.so i hope he dont tread on me..

but i feel i must say,,

Come on wyn..just incase!!!!!





keeping it at the top.. where is me song... spider.x



britvic



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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5WOnktfvd0



Listen to this for a while Spider. X



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[SAME WORD SAME ACTION] you are going over old warn out material again. I suppose "Virgin convertor" will be making an appearance soon.



The way we are going you will be inviting me to your home for dinner.



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No answer Macha/Pike/Eric



spider


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can someone tell me..Who puts the HOTS.on a Thread...



Name and Shame them...













spider.!!



wynyardman



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Hi All,



There are still some people worth listening to! Keep the faith. YOU posters are what made Cyprus44 what it is today.



Wyn (airbrushed from the board, but with the genuine people, in spirit)



Do not forget...."Even the dull and ignorant, they too have their stories!



we shall just have to overcome!



wyn



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we will mate ///



Macha


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hattikins msg 50,



Just for the avoidance of doubt, like the majority of people everywhere I consider Cyprus to be one country. I consider the system running the northern part to be riddled with corruption, nepotism and cronyism and answerable to nobody apart from the Turkish army. Turkish Cypriots do not have a say in the running of therir country and foreigners are discriminated against.



I find many of my fellow countrymen (and women) who chose to buy in the north to be vulgar, ignorant selfish, racist and loud drunkards. It is primarily this type of person who attack me on forums. However, I also have friends among the expat population who are not like that. I also have friends among the native Turkish and Greek Cypriot population who I like to see when I am in Cyprus.



And as well as having a professional link to Cyprus, I'm a democrat who believes in justice and freedom of speech. Hope that clears up a few mysteries for you.



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They have balance, educated, a love of her fellow man, of whatever race or creed. they talk



of love, forgiveness, peace, and the matters which make this world, a better place to reside



in.



In short please Mr Multiple Poster Pikey.........Why don't you give peace a chance?





wyn



Opposed to anything that depresses the human spirit!



spider


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peace on earth...and on the Forum...thats a must sit in the corner for.!!!

















spider.x



rowlo



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well said wyn , cant see the point in the doom and gloomers keeping you off board , re your msg59 hang in here?



keithcaley



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Wyn,

In the interest of attacking the post, not the poster, as per the forum rules, what is your considered response to the points raised in Macha's post?

Best regards,

Keith.



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I should mention that I attended the HBPG meeting addressed by Raşit Pertev, the independent, ant-corruption candidate, and he said almost exactly the same thing as Macha.

Don't think that just because Macha, Pikey, Eric or whoever rants on a bit when he's on his favourite subject (stolen land....) that he doesn't know ANYTHING - that would be a big mistake, IMHO.

Keith.



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keithcaley



At the danger of speaking for Wyn I do not think he was saying that Macha / Pikey / Eric / Scaramanga knows nothing about Cyprus.



I believe his critisim was that Macha (etc etc) uses distorted rehtoric that is devisive and calculated to decieve and as such undermines efforts aimed at peaceful raproachment between TC and GC communities.



As someone who has watched Macha under his many many aliases on many different fora for many years now I would have to say that it's pretty fair critisim in my opinion.



Macha


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Oh dear Erolz,



I think you're desperately looking for things that aren't there.



Also bear in mind that when you find you can't log in because someone has decided you don't have equal freedom of speech to - say - some drunken and pompous ignoramus from the north of England - you have to keep using a new name.



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well done wyn my friend at last back to normal. Thanks be to god.You were really missed.



Macha


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msg 66 irony better in small doses!



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Erol,

What I am saying is that we can, each of us, evaluate the truth or otherwise of postings, and if we disagree, then we can challenge each and every point using evidence.

Instead of that, what happened was that the poster himself was derided and denigrated - just as yo have done.

Let us all adress the points made in posts, rather than the politics, beliefs, and attitudes of the posters.

BTW, I am well aware of Macha's tactics, but I have researched some of his assertions, with dismaying results.

Just because he neglects to put the TC side of the arguement doesn't mean that it is one sided - there are plenty on here who will ONLY listen to the TC side, and simply 'rubbish' anthing said in favour of the other side.

The truth is more important than partisanship, so how about getting back on track, and providing evidence against the points that were raised.

May the best man win!

Best regards,

Keith.



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Thingy.... the way you behave, I suppose you telling everyone you have friends is a cover up for being a loner in real life. Nice of you to try and clear up a few mysteries for us....Too Late mate. you could clear up who you really are and have the backbone to tell the truth about yourself for once.



"I find many of my fellow countrymen (and women) who chose to buy in the north to be vulgar, ignorant selfish, racist and loud drunkards. It is primarily this type of person who attack me on forums"



Your deluded views sums you up.



Moving on. I hope wyn is back again amongst real forum users and friends. lighter note



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Macha msg 65



"I think you're desperately looking for things that aren't there."



I am not looking , desperately or otherwise, for evidence that your posts often contain distorted rehtoric that is devisive and calculated to decieve, distort and mislead. I am simply saying that having watched you post now for many years under many different user names on many different fora , it is my considered opinion that you do do these things and with a specific and consistent intent. I might be wrong but it is still my view none the less and a view formed entirely as a result of YOUR posts alone.



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Message 60 by Spider



Peace on Earth. Love it, brought back memories of Dr Strangelove and Peter Sellars as Group Captain Mandrake trying to explain to a dopey American Colonel the recall code, Peace on Earth, bear with it.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWmBxWN9jM0&feature=related



Lem



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Macha,



Thanks for your reply, I am sorry that you feel you have to be offensive towards a great number of people in order to answer a simple question, I have to say that in Cyprus I personally have not met any of the type of people you describe, except for a couple on this board I suppose, maybe if I had I would share your view.

Apart from repeating yet again your usual bias against anything in the north you haven,t really answered the question I asked, still, it was worth a try,



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Keithcaley msg 68



"what happened was that the poster himself was derided and denigrated - just as yo have done."



I do not think offering my opinion of Macha's approach is deriding him or denigrating him, nor do I think it is unwarranted given the consistentcy of it in volume and time. I dop however think that calling those that attack (challenge) him on forums "vulgar, ignorant selfish, racist and loud drunkards." is pretty denigrating. My views on Macha's appraoch to forums like these are considered and based on years of having watched him and I also think they are a valid topic of discussion.



"Just because he neglects to put the TC side of the arguement doesn't mean that it is one sided "



He puts the GC side of the story over and over for years on numerous fora under numerous different nicknames and does not offer the TC side and you say that does not mean his appraoch is one sided ? Sorry that confuses me ?



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Keithcaley msg



"Let us all adress the points made in posts, rather than the politics, beliefs, and attitudes of the posters."



OK let's do that, though I could point out countless times where I HAVE done this to one of Macha's post only to etiher find no response from him or a response that is nothing but an attack on my character / morals and nothing to do with the points raised.



"I consider the system running the northern part to be riddled with corruption, nepotism and cronyism"



This is true. However I think such has to be judged comparatively as well in isolation. The same could be said of the RoC and there would be much truth in it. Even if it can be shown that it is more true in the North than the South for me one has to reasonably ask the question how much of that difference is down to TC being inherently more corrupt and neoptistic than others and how much due to the difference circumstances they find themselves in.



cont



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"and answerable to nobody apart from the Turkish army"



Again I do not think this is true in the sense of the whole or complete truth. I accept that the RoC is for example answerable to EU instituions in a way that the TRNC is not. However who's fault is this in reality ? The TC community voted foran internationaly brokered plan that would have made them and their adminstrations answerable to the EU in exactly the same way the RoC is today. We showed that we do not WANT to be answerable to no one in that sense. Also the idea that the TRNC is answerable to no one except the Turkish Army is not true either. Turkey is a member of the CoE and thus is bound to the provisions of the ECHR. Actions taken by the the TRNC in Cyprus are answerable to the CoE and ECHR and have been chalenged there and continue to be. So I think once again Macha's statment of 'fact' is far from it in reality.



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Macha Just for the avoidance of doubt, like the majority of people everywhere I consider Cyprus to be one country. I consider the system running the souththern part to be riddled with corruption, nepotism and cronyism and answerable to nobody apart from the Greek army. Greek Cypriots do not have a say in the running of therir country and foreigners are discriminated against.







I find many of my fellow countrymen (and women) who chose to buy in the south to be vulgar, ignorant selfish, racist and loud drunkards. It is primarily this type of person who attack me on forums. However, I also have friends among the expat population who are not like that. I also have friends among the native Greek and Turkish Cypriot population who I like to see when I am in Cyprus.







And as well as having a professional link to Cyprus, I'm a democrat who believes in justice and freedom of speech. Hope that clears up a few mysteries for you. Same as i say:



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"Turkish Cypriots do not have a say in the running of therir country"



Again I find such bland black and white assertions like this, coming from a poster like Macha with a history of posts like his, as being a statement designed to mislead and distort the reality. The reality is far more complex than this simple assertions makes out. In terms of the reality one has to recognise today three 'power bases' within TRNC political structure. The TRNC government and parliament, the (now progressive) Turkish government and the Turkish military / 'deep state'. All three have a degree of infulence and power to shape what happens in the TRNC. To make out that TC have no say at all is to me simply not true. As I say the exact balance of power between these forces is complex and dynamic. However what one can say with a degree of confidence is that the level of control TC have over North Cyprus and their own futures in the TRNC, even though limited, is preferable to them than the level (cont)



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they had in a united Cyprus post 63 or as an 'ethnic minority' within the RoC post 74 as evidenced by the fact that so few have chosen to live in the South rather than the North.



"I find many of my fellow countrymen (and women) who chose to buy in the north to be vulgar, ignorant selfish, racist and loud drunkards."



Am I supposed to address THIS point in Macha's post ? If so what can I possibly say ?



"It is primarily this type of person who attack me on forums."



I regualrly challenge Macha's posts because I find that they warrant such challenges so much of the time. I could show countless examples of where Macha has attacked me as a person rather than the points I raise and could lable him as he lables his 'attackers' here but I will not do so.



Are there any more points you feel Macha has raised that I have not answered ?



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Well said erolz. fight fire with fire.



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Well Max!!...........Above says it all about you. Brief and to the point.



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Erol,

Excellent response, that's what we need - reasoned arguement.

The points you queried -

1) 'one sided arguement' - what I said was:

'Just because he neglects to put the TC side of the arguement doesn't mean that it is one sided - there are plenty on here who will ONLY listen to the TC side, and simply 'rubbish' anthing said in favour of the other side.' - and what I meant was that the arguement is not one sided, because we (you!) are providing the other point of view - sorry if I didn't make that clear, I didn't mean that HE was providing a balanced view!

2)' I could show countless examples of where Macha has attacked me as a person rather than the points I raise.'

Fair point, however - If he is wrong to attack you in this way, then you are equally wrong to use the same tactic - 'two wrongs do not make a right'.

You are free to EITHER ignore such insults and carry on with your reasoned debate, secure in the knowledge that his response simply indicates to all and sundry- co



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that he is losing the arguement, and has resorted to insults to divert attention away from your valid points - OR simply report the abusive post as required by the board rules, and ask for him to be banned (again).

Far better than engaging in a slanging match. IMHO.

I believe that you have clearly illustrated his tactic of making statements which contain a grain of truth, and then elaborating on that to create a wholly mis-representative picture. That is, of course, one of the methods used in debate, the trick is spotting where the statements diverge from Reality!

I cannot disagree agree with anything else you have said.

Thank you,

Keith.



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msge 58

macha/pp said

"and answerable to nobody apart from the Turkish army"



Rasit Pertev a TC politician said



"Two things are often said here, one – the TC people cannot have a political will because Turkey rules NC. The second thing said is ‘what about the military, the military rules and you must do what they tell you, but I can tell you both of these ascertains are erroneous. I will explain why.



Turkey gives quite a lot of money to NC, but they are not able to control that money or even what is done with that money, it is left to the government here to control its usage."



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msge 56



Good to see you back Wyn



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ILC,

Quite right, although the point was made that even if politicians have 'free will', they are always conscious that Turkey holds the purse strings, and are susceptible to 'advice' from that quarter.

As I had lost my voice, I had to get someone else to ask questions, but as I remember, it was mentioned that the Police 'report to' (in effect, 'follow the orders of') the head of the Cyprus Security Force in TRNC - a senior Commander in the Turkish Military - and we know where he gets HIS instructions from... In theory, the Interior Ministry share joint control over the Police Force, but in practice I don't suppose that the beaurocrats are much of a match for Commander Ltg Hilmi Akın Zorlu.

And remember when they wanted to dismantle that bridge?

I don't want to give the impression of slavishly following Macha's line, but there is no point in sticking your head in the sand, ignoring the things that you would rather not think about, and wishing that they would go away!

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keithcaley msg 85



"And remember when they wanted to dismantle that bridge?"



This was one of the very rare instances where the TRNC elected leaders expressed they wanted one thing and the Turkish military publicaly said they wanted another. Ultimately it was the civilian government that got its way on this issue. One example that actually the 'beaurocrats' (elected government) were a match for the Turkish Military commander in the TRNC. As I said before there are 3 power bases - with the Turkish civilian government making up the third and they also supported Talat on this issue but this is still an example that TRNC leaderships will can and on occasion does 'win out' against the TRNC military in north Cyprus. Again far from Macha's bland assertions of 'fact'.



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msge 85



"Quite right, although the point was made that even if politicians have 'free will', they are always conscious that Turkey holds the purse strings, and are susceptible to 'advice' from that quarter."



Did Pertev make this point? If so, it was a shame that these were left out of the minutes.



I can accept that TC politicians are conscious of Turkeys wishes, in the same way that Western politicians are susceptible to "advice" from big businesses. Everyone has to be careful about not biting the hand that feeds them.



By the way who is sticking their head in the sand. If you are making a general comment, then that is fair point, but just in case it is aimed at me, I can assure you I don't ignore things that I would like to go away.



i have always advocated that I favour TC ruling themselves free from Turkeys influence, however I am realistic enough to know that people who are isolated are less likley to be exposed to conditions that facilitate their growth.



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i for one don't believe that the tc's have control over their own country but for different reasons.

i still have no answer to my question.

how many tc's have a vote compaired to the turkish mainland voters?

the numbers i guess speak for themselves.

when i asked tc friends about voting they all said they would go for the party prior to this goverment.

but they screwed you, why would you vote for them again?

because they screwed us less than the current goverment.



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msge 88



"i for one don't believe that the tc's have control over their own country but for different reasons."



Be interested in you reasons



"but they screwed you, why would you vote for them again?



because they screwed us less than the current goverment."



Sounds like the UK



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Erol msg 86,

Yes, I'm happy to agree that 'we' did get our way in the end, but the general perception (well, mine anyway) was that President Talat had it explained to him just what the limits of his powers were, and it was over 2 months after Talat's original announcement that the Turkish Authorities issued the statement: -

“The government, in consideration of the security dimension of the issue, took the views of military authorities and forwarded its political assessment regarding the matter to Mr. Talat. Naturally, the final decision and initiative on this particular matter belongs to TRNC authorities.”

Which was undoubtedly a 'win' for the home team, and let's hope that whoever is in power next shows similar resolve! It was far from being a foregone conclusion though, as I think you acknowledge - "... TRNC leaderships will can and on occasion does 'win out' against the TRNC military in north Cyprus..."

However, as you say, a long way from Macha's assertion.

Regards,

Keith.



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"how many tc's have a vote compaired to the turkish mainland voters?"



This is a hotly disputed question with no definiative hard indpendent quantative surveys to rely on. Some will say that TC citizens (those able to vote in TRNC) are outnumbered by Turkish mainland settler voters by 2 to 1 or more depending on who is saying it.



My personal belief based on a range of different sources and surveys, both TRNC based and independant is that the reality is closer to the other way round. That is TC voters in the TRNC are about double the number of Turkish settlers in the TRNC who are entitled to vote, but this is a best guess based as I say on a range of sources.



It is frequently claimed that Turkish settlers (with voting rights) outnumber TC with such rights in the TRNC. If this were true I would expect there to be a numerical dominance of settler MP's in TRNC parliament and even a settler PM and President.



(cont)



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This however is not what we see. We see that as far as MP's and government positions TC dominate in both areas. This to me is an indication that the claims that TC are outnumbered as voters in the TRNC by Turkish settlers are shaky. It is not proof one way or another but it is an indication imo.



In summary



No one really knows how many voters in TRNC are TC and how many are Turkish settlers. There is no hard independent definative data on this. I personally estimate the real ratio as being about 2:1 in favour of TC, based on combining a number of studies and reports. Such a ratio is also consistent with the ratio of those in power and if they are TC or Turkish settler.



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Have we seen wyn today..just a thought.!!!



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ILC msg 87,

I'm sure that the point about 'purse strings' was put to Mr Pertev from the floor, but I thought that he slightly 'steered around the edges' of that issue, and didn't deny outright that it was a consideration. However, we will have to rely on the minutes - my memory isn't perfect.

I'm sorry if you thought that the 'ostrich' analogy was directed at you. It wasn't.

I wrote that because I feel that there is a general tendency, on this and other boards, to simply shout "Yah, Boo, Rubbish" at anyone who says anything that can, in any way, be construed as anti-TRNC or, heavens forfend, as pro ROC.

The more accurate information 'good' and 'bad', that can be published on these boards, the better. It can only serve to educate people, and to make them realise that things are not, perhaps, as simple as they thought.

I do thank you (and Erol) for the time that you have given to this, it is most interesting to learn the opinions of those better informed than I am.

Regards,

Keith.



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Spider,

Quite forgot that this post was about Wyn!

It's certainly wandered off track a fair bit - I suppose we should have started another thread...

Wyn - any comments?

Keith.



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Hi Keith and Errol and ILC I think you are very well informed as is Wyn. I am so pleased to see him back. Reading your posts gives me a better understanding of the polotics here. It is good to educate us and I agee its not as simple as we thought. Fire starter thier opinion says it all really. I hope for all thier sakes they get it right this time . Take care xxxx



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just a creeping about..

















in me corner.!



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Dodger any chance of me song down here.?? tis a ling way down for it,xx

















spider,xx



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RE msg 77, erolz : (...) To make out that TC have no say at all is to me simply not true. (...)



===> Wrong, Erolz. And it would be far better when Turkey had a 100% say in what happens in TRNC. Would you like to start a thread about TC (Turkish Cypriot) laziness, arrogance, ignorance, incapability, greediness, unreliability and what have you? After five years in TRNC I'll be pleased to confront you with the facts of daily life.



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!!! D.C I take it you live here....

















spider.



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Chill out man,perhaps you need a trip back home to see what its like,or do you call this place home. did you have no one to show you manners..i just peek and read...do you know the word TOSH..because most of it is..you would not last 5mins talking in the pub...someone would put down..

chill out..you get toooooooooo far into thing,give youself a heart attack



laugh never so much since i came on this Forum..you all get so worked up with all and eachother..argumentative i call it..just for the hell of it..most should here yourselves..and a sheme you cant..good day to you...spider..



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RE msg 102, spider : (...) you would not last 5mins talking in the pub...someone would put down. (...)



===> The news for you, from the pub I frequent: you wouldn't be allowed to enter. (PS. In the pub I frequent Brits know how to speak and write the English language - you wouldn't feel home at all).



===> Really, your grammar and spelling is even offensive for a foreigner.



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seems i can creep in.the thread is where is wyn...you do go off topic old boy.

would that be your mouth on the run first....next you might think i am WYN..oh well...just thoughts.........



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Hi Guys,



You leave me breathless. Pikey how can you say that anyone who bought an exhcange land property is an alcoholic. That my friend is pure bigotry! How can you say that they deliberatley bought stolen land. That is bigotry. Some of us bought in good faith underwritten by what we thought was an internationally recognised political system.



Anyway enough of that. WHY do you need to post under a number of aliases to get your point over. ANSWER because you have been banned from all boards that have respect for legality and integrity.



The question then arises, why are you allowed to post, causing huge dissent, on Cyprus 44?



Pikey, my friend, we all love debate, and the rhetoric of the uninformed. What most of us desire is peace, and a love for our fellow man, and a way forward in what is a very difficult life.



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Dutchcrusader, For someone who doesn't particularly like Nige's board, you advertise it so frequently! Are you sure your not Nige? He got banned for it.



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well said the both of you..nice,nice.







spider,xx



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Many debate and stir up deep rooted sentiments. That my friend is very Third Reich



Some see the reality of the world as it is today. TROUBLED!. Surely the way forward if there is one, is love and consideration for your fellow man. I urge you Pikey, my good man, to consider those who have had failed ambitions, but nonethe less care about their fellow man.



I urge you to consider the underdog and how they conduct themselves. These are the salt of the earth. I intend to sit alongside my fellow Travellers. For theirs surely will be the Kingdom of Heaven.



Pikey, Mon ami, GIVE PEACE A CHANCE!



wyn



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RE msg 106, britvic : (...) Are you sure your not Nige? (...)



===> I just checked, Mrs britvic, and here is the result: I am ** not ** Nigel. However, if I ever gave you this impression - I apologize to you (and the board). Have an extremely nice evening!



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DC msg 99



"Wrong, Erolz. And it would be far better when Turkey had a 100% say in what happens in TRNC."



Hans this is contradictory. If I am wrong that TC have no say in their own futures and the running of the TRNC, then it can not be better when Turkey has a 100% say. Have I misunderstood you ?



"Would you like to start a thread about TC (Turkish Cypriot) laziness, arrogance, ignorance, incapability, greediness, unreliability and what have you?"



Not really but I will answer you here. There are TC in the TRNC that are lazy, arrogant, ignorant, incapable, greedy and unreliable. As there are such people everywhere - even in Holland I would imagine. If you are saying or suggesting that TC are inherently more like this than other ethnic groups then I refute this claim totally. I believe where there is evidence that these things are worse in the TRNC, the cause is the situation that TC find themselves in.



(cont)



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I do not think that a community 180,000 odd Brits or Dutch or Americans or Greeks or Greek Cypriots or anyone else that had to endure and survive what the TC community has in the last 40 years or so in the way that we have, would be that much different. I think that in such a hypothetical senario many of the most talent and industrious members of that community would seek their fortunes in the wider world, as happens in the TRNC and that overall those that remained would be pretty much the same as the TRNC is.



Writing off whole ethnic groups with labels of negative traits as you do is in my personal view not only inevitably incorrect, as all communites are made up of a range of different people with differing abilities, but it is also to be blunt about a racist persective as one can get.



So Hans what do you make of say Africans ? Lazy? Arrogant ? Ignorant? More or less than TC ? - you see what I am getting at here ?



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Pikey,



You accuse me of drinking too much! What hapenned to the 2000 litres of red from your Latvian Estate. Throw it away ,did we?.



How come you only invest in property in "war torn situations" As a UN observer, do you have inside information? VERY MORAL! You leave decent people gasping for breath!



The floor is all yours!



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wellcome back wyn.



may i ask why you are trying to provoke pike/macha? he at least post`s some sense on this forum! & as for his wine.. it`s gorgeous both the white & red..Yamas



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Dear Juliet,



Good posting Pikey. Where are the Moderators?



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msg.111 well said,I have a very dear friend a tc.could never meet anyone better,kind considarat,and tollarant,i could never meet such a better man..apart from my late father,and husband..tis a shock to read some posting on here..appauling..











god bless the best.spider.x



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Erolz: "The TRNC government and parliament, the (now progressive) Turkish government and the Turkish military / 'deep state'. All three have a degree of infulence and power to shape what happens in the TRNC. To make out that TC have no say at all is to me simply not true. As I say the exact balance of power between these forces is complex and dynamic."



You were almost there but then you blew it! Don't pretend the Turkish Cypriots have any real say in their destiny when the international community through the United Nations holds TURKEY responsible for north Cyprus. That's the power 40,000 occupying troops give you - the power of the bully.



And don't pretend poking fun at you by calling you Mr Logic or whatever is an ATTACK by me. If that's the case you attack me just as much, if not more. Do I complain about being called Sailor Boy or Turd? No - because name-callers like that cannot be taken seriously.



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Juliet,



Do you not think, that there is a problem with someone who has to post under numerous personna, to get their point over? Let me explain. They get banned from every other board, which will not tolerate their nonesense!



Not exactly rocket science! It does make you wonder about the management of the board though!



I have to say though, I have a sneaking respect for your style though..............................



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keithcaley: "I believe that you have clearly illustrated his tactic of making statements which contain a grain of truth, and then elaborating on that to create a wholly mis-representative picture. That is, of course, one of the methods used in debate, the trick is spotting where the statements diverge from Reality!"



Keith, I've said this before but no harm in repeating it. I am completely impartial when it comes to north and south in Cyprus. Both have nurtured fascist murdering cowards and sought refuge by wrapping themselves in the comfort blanket of a distant "motherland" - and as a result have been shafted and betrayed by said motherlands.



I'm pretty sure the south is riddled with corruption and nepotism as well and firmly believe EU membership should have been denied them until thery accepted an equitable solution that would have either embraced the Turkish Cypriots in a true partnership, or allowed them to go their own way in a recognised state. But that wasn't to be.



mo



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Macha, Pikey, Scaramanga etc etc etc.



Msg 116



Chairman Mao, said" real power is in the barrel of a gun"



Grow up!!



I raise my glass to an amicable solution, to The Cyprus Problem!



wyn



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more...



The north is where I bought a place and so the north is my main topic of debate. If I don't like the way something's being done I make a noise about it. Why would I do any different? If my place was in the south and we were on a GC forum I can assure you I would be just as outspoken there. And other members could tell you I have crossed swords with GCs on their home territory. It's all about doing what your conscience tells you to do, and if that's pointing out uncomfortable truths, then so be it.



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Macha,



You make a good point.



In the interest of credibility, WHO ARE YOU?



wyn



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Wyn,

Does this poor tormented lad really know who he is.....at the mo one side of his brain is "Max" & the other side is "Juliet"



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Macha msg 118



"I am completely impartial when it comes to north and south in Cyprus."



Impartial means treating all equally. If you posts 20 posts critising and attacking the TRNC and TC community to every 1 post you make that does like wise re the RoC and GC community you are by definition not behaving in an impartial manner. It is your almost total lack of balance that undermines this self made claim of yours of complete impartiality.



That you have property in the North and the forum is a North based one does not change the above reality, for you show exactly the same lack of balance when the discussion is about the whole of Cyprus and the Cyprus problem as when it it is just about the North alone.



Turtle


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04/03/2009 00:23

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So

Pikey upsets GC,s he also upsets TC,s he slags of the Turks he also upsets the ex pats living in NC and he also upsets people on most BB,s including this one and I am told he got threw out of the Special Constabulary in Scotland !!!





Sounds like a bloody trouble causer to me,



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04/03/2009 00:26

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ILC,



I am humbled by your support. I am well aware that I debate as a different level to that you employ, but I do try to debate on the basis of common sense.I see the wrongs and rights of the Cyprus Situation, but on balance,I do think that the Turkish side would have benefited from better PR.



Being a humanitarian I remain convinced that both sides will have the opportunity to explain

their views and motivation. I remain of the view that at the end of the day common sense,

and fair play, will prevail.



I do understand Pikes arguments,and the strength of his opinion.



Any settlement never allows for all parties full satisfaction, however well intentioned the debates. A settlement still has to be arrived at.



I accept the views of Chairman Mao, that power is in the barrel of a gun. 45000 is a very powerful argument.



My view is that there will be a settlement on a bi zonal basis in November this year. I think

external property investors rights will be protected,



wynyardman



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04/03/2009 00:36

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albeit on a long term lease basis. That sounds to me to be reasonably fair.



I do think that there is a equal chance that no settlement will be arrived at, and an agreement will be reached for The TRNC to be a part of Turkey .In that case direct flights will be agreed, and complete freedom of trade will be agreed.



My view is the former will prevail. Whichever will auger well for predominatley for UK property investors in the TRNC.



That is my view. Unlike many on this board, I would welcome the views of others. My sole plea,is that we debate the subject, not the poster.



wyn



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04/03/2009 00:52

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Its no wonder that he posts under so many different names.!



Wyn



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04/03/2009 00:56

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Msg 127,







wyn, wynd, wynyardman,John Cooper, The Lord Wyn(for the confused)



wattys


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04/03/2009 10:38

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Welcome back wyn, maybe we can now get back to logical discussion and some general banter without the bigoted thoughts of the pike and others.



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04/03/2009 10:45

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