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elko2


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Message Posted: 02/03/2009 23:03 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 1 of 53 in Discussion |
| People always moan about Developers, Estate Agents, Advocates and so on for not telling them the truth and the whole truth at the time and accuse them of dishonesty. Yet when some bad news about a developer comes up, there are always some people who try to suppress it claiming that such bad publicity can only have adverse effect on their own investment and that they would find it hard to resell it to unsuspecting buyers. In my view this is exactly at par with the same dishonesty they have been complaining about. people should be brave and honest enough to speak out but without anonimity and with honesty after getting the facts right. Rumour mongering will not do. ismet |
joseph

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Message Posted: 02/03/2009 23:13 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 2 of 53 in Discussion |
| "people should be brave and honest enough to speak out but without anonimity and with honesty after getting the facts right. Rumour mongering will not do." You get my vote elko2, well said Regards Joseph |
Bradus

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Message Posted: 02/03/2009 23:51 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 3 of 53 in Discussion |
| Spot on Elko 2. I have always been amazed at how many people take the "bury ones head in the sand" approach rather than seeking further advice, carrying out research and acting on the information that has been given. I know of at least 3 developments where the buyers were warned on this and other forums, not to purchase or hand over large sums of money, as it was unlikely with the developers track record that their villas would ever be completed. For whatever reason they chose to ignore and 4 years later they have nothing to show for their £125,000 but a shell. |
girne 29

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Message Posted: 03/03/2009 00:13 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 4 of 53 in Discussion |
| Spot on Ismet, Have said the same thing myself .Its not the messengers who prevent those who are trying to sell from selling.Its the system. The problem for some ,is that they blame those that have publicised the goings on ,instead of blaming those that cause the problems The reason why things are slow to improve is that the message , for years, has been given out to the developers etc ,that for the majority ,there is no problem, rather its all in the mind of the whingers . Its impossible to hide these things for ever, and even if BB's like this were closed down, word would still get out, If you are ill, you can try and get cured at the docs, or, pretend to yourself that nothing is really wrong.The second way can only last for so long ,and by then it might be to late. |
kazzybe

Joined: 04/04/2008 Posts: 21
Message Posted: 03/03/2009 10:14 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 5 of 53 in Discussion |
| I agree wholeheartedly. The only way to make things better is to sort out the problems. Not try to hide them as some people do on these boards for their own selfish needs, instead of thinking about whats best for everyone. Its not the whistle blowers that are to blame, its the dodgy cowboys who think they can hide things and deceive people. Surely they cant possibly think that things can stay hidden forever. The whistleblowers are the ones with the courage to stand up and say this isn't OK. |
No1Doyen

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Message Posted: 03/03/2009 10:26 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 6 of 53 in Discussion |
| Ismet, another quality post from you. Well said. |
fire starter

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Message Posted: 03/03/2009 14:40 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 7 of 53 in Discussion |
| so if you had something to tell in honesty, but it risked everything you had, would you be so willing to speak up? i have encountered a situation like this recently and decided not to speak up, as it will not ever to resolve the situation. (nothing to do with developers ect) i believe that word of mouth is the most powerfull tool people have, and it always comes out eventually. this is where i have left my situation which i am sure over the comming weeks people will here about. |
Kitty Kat Jac

Joined: 18/03/2008 Posts: 230
Message Posted: 03/03/2009 17:04 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 8 of 53 in Discussion |
| I totally agree with you elko, however alot of people use this forum to voice their grudges and are not always truthful and this can damage peoples reputations. I believe that people should have to back up what they say with evidence before posting or at least investigate it before going full steam ahead with what they have been told by somebody else. |
Cyprusquest

Joined: 09/12/2008 Posts: 428
Message Posted: 03/03/2009 17:24 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 9 of 53 in Discussion |
| Try to be honest and take responsibility yes Elko you are right Like many I am anonymous but try to be not too judgemental only asking honesty. |
irishwrath

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Message Posted: 03/03/2009 17:28 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 10 of 53 in Discussion |
| I agree to many people hush things up and let other fall into the same trap. |
stevemac

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Message Posted: 03/03/2009 18:26 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 11 of 53 in Discussion |
| Quality post Ismet. If only more people here had the courage to do this. Rogues in whatever walk of life, be it developers, lawyers etc cannot cover everything up forever. The internet reaches out to millions and they should be aware that there actions will be exposed. The more people who do this, the more the rogues will realise they can't get away with damaging people's lives and taking their hard earned life savings. |
fire starter

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Message Posted: 04/03/2009 11:32 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 12 of 53 in Discussion |
| steve its not always about courage to do it. for my situation i am a visitor in this country, how can i take on a well respected cypriot? i have the proof and can back up what i should speak out about, but its never that simple. i'm sure people will get to find out what occured, as the other people involved sure won't be silenced. |
PIPIE

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Message Posted: 04/03/2009 15:56 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 13 of 53 in Discussion |
| Kitty Kat Jac I agree with your post , you are right , proof is needed when someone decides to make accusations well said . fIrestarter . I also am a visitor in to the TRNC , i respect the people , adhere to the laws and pay my taxes . However there has been to much asked of us who have purchased here and if something is wrongly being done it should come out in the open , i am sure that the majority of people are upstanding , but the ones who fall short of this should be bought to task otherwise it becomes a culture of put up and shut up .Upstanding folk just want justice fair play and a great place to live , but if people fall foul of not striving for this by not bringing things into the open then you yourself will be guility of a put up and shut up culture , please take this in the friendly way it is intended. Hope this helps . |
BillyB

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Message Posted: 04/03/2009 19:15 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 14 of 53 in Discussion |
| Pipie, your message 13 a tad contradictive in my opinion after the comments you put on the Seaterra thread. Ismet, you are Turkish Cypriot I assume you've lived here for a number of years, your wife is an advocat and you have extensive legal knowledge so theres not much they can do to you, but you have to understand it from people who have been threatened, blackmailed in a foreign country with little help from many of the Girne lawyers, or government offices. Many of these people are elderly and have lost part or all of their life savings. Providing that people stick to the truth, I dont have a problem with people remaining annonymous. It doesnt take a psychology professor to realise from reading the posts whether they are genuine or not by the way they respond to questions from other genuine posters. |
PIPIE

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Message Posted: 04/03/2009 20:21 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 15 of 53 in Discussion |
| BillyB Please could you say exactly where i have been contradicitive ? |
PIPIE

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Message Posted: 05/03/2009 09:47 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 16 of 53 in Discussion |
| BillyB. Please can you reply to my messege 15 , no probs if you have got it wrong , just need it confirming . cheers . |
fire starter

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Message Posted: 05/03/2009 10:00 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 17 of 53 in Discussion |
| pipie, i know i am guilty of the put up and shut up attitude. i battle with it every day and i know at some point when i can't take any more, i will leave the trnc. this is the thing that troubles me most living here. the lack of true justice, and the fact as a visitor i have no rights and no redress here at all. i survive as i have lots of close tc friends , but i am not the sort of person who likes to rely on others for help, even though sometimes i have to. i do know right from wrong but its not that simple here. |
PIPIE

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Message Posted: 05/03/2009 10:08 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 18 of 53 in Discussion |
| Firestarter. I understand , you must do what you think best . As regards myself , i will challenge ,i have given all the opportuity to play fair , I purchased in this country paid all of what what was asked of me and only want want what i was promised , given that i will shout from the rooftops , but if i do not get what i was promised i will shout from the rooftops also . Take care . |
fire starter

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Message Posted: 05/03/2009 10:12 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 19 of 53 in Discussion |
| pipie fair play doesn't exist here,lol. |
andre 514

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Message Posted: 05/03/2009 10:19 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 20 of 53 in Discussion |
| another perceptive posting from ismet I always wonder if everyone to the south of europe and eastern europe thinks the rest of us act like complete ninnies the truth is there is little real protection even in many eu contries like spain let alone north cyprus where any redress is virtually unenforceable outside why don't more foreigners spend extra time visiting first? you don't need any euros either despite all the negative huff and puff, it has unique qualities and people there is much still unspoiled by mass development and it has a most curious charm, for want of a better word I've never found elsewhere this way you can decide, perhaps many years later, or even never if you could adapt to the place, its peoples and its special problems and if it gets on with you! and only then consider some serious research |
fire starter

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Message Posted: 05/03/2009 10:49 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 21 of 53 in Discussion |
| andre i hear what you are saying. we have family here, visited the whole of cyprus for many years, and took four years to find the right home. you can visit for as long as you like and do as much research but when you finally come to live here it is very very different, from just having a holiday home. on the whole i love living here but there are issues i have . sometimes i find those issues very hard to accept, especially as i do know right from wrong. the lack of fair play is one of them. |
PIPIE

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Message Posted: 05/03/2009 11:20 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 22 of 53 in Discussion |
| andre514 I hear what you say . But going back 5 years ago those who purchased then such as myself trusted what my solicitor said , we trusted our contract and we trusted the developers , now we were pioneers so to speak and yes it was a learning curve for all . I have learnt , never trust a solicitor , always qiestion , and trust no one and suspeact everyone that is what i have learnt from North Cyprus . The learning curve that some develpopers/management companies have not learnt is this, keep your promises treat people how you want to be treated yourself .and your businesses will flourish along with the most important a good honest reputation . |
PIPIE

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Message Posted: 05/03/2009 21:34 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 23 of 53 in Discussion |
| BillyB. Please can you reply to my messege 15 , no probs if you have got it wrong , just need it confirming . cheers |
girne 29

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Message Posted: 05/03/2009 23:36 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 24 of 53 in Discussion |
| Pipie message 22 Excellent summation. The ones that say to those that suffered, its your own fault for not checking this or that,or you should have expected this or that rip off ,are riding on the knowledge accumulated from those that went first.but making out it was oh so obvious to themselves all along. Bloody geniuses ,where were they all years ago? If I had read all that stuff in 2003/04/05 I might be impressed. I have in no way suffered myself ,but thats just my luck in my purchase ,not because I checked more or distrusted more than anyone else. |
PIPIE

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Message Posted: 06/03/2009 00:05 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 25 of 53 in Discussion |
| Cheers girne29 |
Lazy days

Joined: 24/07/2008 Posts: 847
Message Posted: 06/03/2009 00:55 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 26 of 53 in Discussion |
| Elko your posts are always good and well thought out and worth reading, but why oh why do peeps jump on the bandwagon every!! just looking for another argument Billy b advocat is that not a drink but you are spot on in some of what you say Andre mess 20, yes again spot on some 'pioneers' want to change things too much to be like england, well i for 1 left england for the reason that is was a sick old lady with bent builders, huge crime, mamby pamby do good brigade, sound familiar! As you say Ismet its very important to get facts right. Rumour mongering will certainly not do, you are so right, one thing i cant get my head about on, peeps (pioneers) came out here and bought properties, and went to the builders recommended Advocate, would they have done that in england, 'i doubt it' so why do it here then bleat on about being cheated, imho they asked for it by their own sillyness and its no good saying they didnt know any better, they should have. |
fire starter

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Message Posted: 06/03/2009 11:56 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 27 of 53 in Discussion |
| you say it is easy to speak up and people should do, tell the truth. i remember a while back someone who spoke up about an advocate was threatened with court action. the name and shame list from the hbpg also has the same treatment. i guess the answer in cyprus is learn when to speak up and when to be silent! |
Macha

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Message Posted: 06/03/2009 12:11 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 28 of 53 in Discussion |
| I have no respect for people who should know better keeping silent about something that needs to be exposed. To me these people are worms and almost as bad as the wrong-doers. This doesn't apply to the genuinely terrified and the terminally bewildered. |
Macha

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Message Posted: 06/03/2009 12:16 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 29 of 53 in Discussion |
| girne29: "The problem for some ,is that they blame those that have publicised the goings on ,instead of blaming those that cause the problems." I could say a lot about this subject and can think of about half a dozen members here who come under that category. Instead of facing up to their own stupidity and the position they have put their families in, they choose to turn on certain outspoken posters. But I suppose these idiots serve as examples to other people, so at least they've made themselves useful. |
PIPIE

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Message Posted: 07/03/2009 13:48 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 30 of 53 in Discussion |
| L/D Why you have to keep having a go , just because i and others are not getting what was promised by developer and maintenanace , somewhere in your book this appears to be acceptable . I adhered to my contract , paid my maintenance so in my book i have adhered to all that was asked of me , now if you are saying that i should continue to pay in advance re maintenanace for pools that are not up and running , no street lighting , no maintenance contract that shows M/C obligations , no pdates , no replies to my Emails . Then you are off your trolly . Why on earth you should defend such actions is beyond belief . If you are still intending to participate then send me photos of the site , assure me of what is up and running , or better still tell the ones you are defending to take a training course in customer realations , how on earth a business can be run using these sort of methods is beyond belief . perhaps then there will be a positive outcome to all of this . UNBELIEVABLE . |
PIPIE

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Message Posted: 07/03/2009 14:03 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 31 of 53 in Discussion |
| L/D Yes some of us were cheated , we were cheated when solicitors were also working for develpopers we purchased of We were cheated when we had an agreement ,when our solicitor released final payment assuring us all was in situ when clearly they were not . We were cheated when we were told that the fees were to cover purchase sale , yet solicitors have fleeced purchases for extras for stamp duty and now completion of deeds. YES YES YES WE HAVE BEEN CHEATED . |
fire starter

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Message Posted: 07/03/2009 14:11 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 32 of 53 in Discussion |
| pipie i also don't understand why when people make promises or have a contract they just want to cheat people. i experience this when a tried to buy a new car a few years back, from a main agent i will add. there is no business sence here, grab the money and run, sod tomorrow is the attitude. where in the real world we value our reputation and customers. we are taught to have a duty of care to them. this is where my problems have come from this week. do i have a duty of care to my customer or should i say nothing ?because if i rock the boat for some well conected tc's, i will have big problems. my decition went for duty of care to my customer but i know i am seriously playing with fire by doing so. i couldn't live with myself if i ignored what happened, but to speak out i have had to enlist a little help from my friends. |
PIPIE

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Message Posted: 07/03/2009 14:39 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 33 of 53 in Discussion |
| firestarter. You can hold you head high now , and beleive me some good will come of it , i am a strong believer in what goes round comes round , so take that on board and all will be ok for you . I agree entirley a good reputation speaks volumes and i beleive that that is the most important for busineses to survive in the best of times let alone , the credit crunch we have at present . I honestly beleive that because people will not speak out this is what happens it is brushed under the carpet for these people with no integtity to get away with things . Take the unscroupulas people of these people all one has to do is to report these to HPBG through the complaints procedure , this will eventually have impact where good service would be forced on them or they go out of business , fair play is all what we want and the pathway is there for us all . All we have to do is follow it . This is a small island and good practice is all we want , some day . Take care . |
Lazy days

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Message Posted: 07/03/2009 19:40 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 34 of 53 in Discussion |
| Hi peeps Yet another post hijacked by the lovly pips , when are the mods who cut other peeps contri's goin to put an end to this persons rants I before e except after C Message 30 & 31 praps we are getting somewhere now, what were you promised by maintenance ? are you upto date with it ? were the things you accuse maintenance of not looking after never looked after by them ?? You say no replys to e-mails they say many replys, who is lying ? You say"some of us were cheated" i find it incredulous that you could be cheated ?? was it the maintenance coy ?? or your own stupidity, your solicitor said all was in situ so you believed him/her, whose fault, maintenance coy, NO yours for not checking and making you final payment and signing anythin you did, !!! but you now admit in your 2 posts that its not anything to do with the peeps you have tore apart in every post recently its the solicitors and developers, you owe apologies my lovely! unless you are "UNBELIEVABLE" ???? |
PIPIE

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Message Posted: 07/03/2009 20:20 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 35 of 53 in Discussion |
| L/D gobbly gook answer as per usual !!! |
RubberDuck

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Message Posted: 07/03/2009 20:39 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 36 of 53 in Discussion |
| Pipie smartass-lets-ignore-what-is-asked-and-said-to-us answer as per usual !!! I really fail to see how you cannot understand Lazy days post... Pipie don't you think you are being a bit hypocritical in message 13? 'proof is needed when someone decides to make accusations well said'. Or do you believe it is ok if it is you throwing around innuendos and accusations without proving it? Re message 30: 'now if you are saying that i should continue to pay in advance re maintenanace for pools that are not up and running , no street lighting , no maintenance contract that shows M/C obligations , no pdates , no replies to my Emails'. Once again we are back to the same issues. The pools on Turq are not all operational due to not all monies owed being received. Street lights are off for non payment of electric - owners fault not M/C who you keep blaming. Updates are there for all to read. Your contract is with AL-IN - Glencoe, who you keep blaming, are sub-contractors so their... cont/ |
RubberDuck

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Message Posted: 07/03/2009 20:40 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 37 of 53 in Discussion |
| ...contract is with AL-IN. If your e-mails are similar to your forum posts then I would not be surprised if they weren't answering them all as your forum posts are repetitive and when you are given answers you ignore them! You come across as a very unreasonable person Pipie. Elko hit the nail on the head with his OP 'people should be brave and honest enough to speak out but without anonimity and with honesty after getting the facts right. Rumour mongering will not do.' |
PIPIE

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Message Posted: 07/03/2009 20:51 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 38 of 53 in Discussion |
| what a load of tosh !!!! |
RubberDuck

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Message Posted: 07/03/2009 21:37 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 39 of 53 in Discussion |
| You just prove my point yet again. |
PIPIE

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Message Posted: 08/03/2009 12:28 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 40 of 53 in Discussion |
| Rubber duck ( Are you getting overtime for this ) YOU WROTE The pools on Turq are not all operational due to not all monies owed being received. pipie's answer . One pool not operational from day of handover , but still owners were expected to pay maintenance , now we have more than one pool non operational yet mainteneance is still expected , where is the logic in that ?????? YOU WROTE Street lights are off for non payment of electric - pipie's answer So in your book obviously still owners are expected to pay maintenance ????? You have openly said on your forum you messed up at the begining where you stated YOU did NOT ask for maintenanace off investors , it is in black/white on your forum . Yet just a few are expected to keep the site maintanined . I suggest you update on who exactly has paid , amounts etc then maybe all can see who has paid what into the pot !!!! ah but that is a bit to sensible for some to take on board !!! |
fire starter

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Message Posted: 08/03/2009 12:40 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 41 of 53 in Discussion |
| if you can't say something nice say nothing at all. |
RubberDuck

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Message Posted: 08/03/2009 16:01 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 42 of 53 in Discussion |
| Overtime from whom Pipie? Did you not read my post on the other thread where I made it clear that I am NOT an employee of Glencoe, or are you just choosing to ignore that fact? You say one thing about pools - others say differently so you are going to have to provide proof on that. Quote msge 40:'Street lights are off for non payment of electric - pipie's answer So in your book obviously still owners are expected to pay maintenance ?????' You are expected to pay your communal electricity. Or are you saying the electricity provider is in 'cahoots' with Glencoe? Maintenance fees are something different entirely. I have not said openly on my forum that I messed up with anything. For one thing I do not own a forum to do so. So please enlighten me where I am supposed to have said this. Yet more rumour mongering Pipie. |
fire starter

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Message Posted: 08/03/2009 16:39 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 43 of 53 in Discussion |
| rubberduck if you have a personal argument with pipie do it in private. |
RubberDuck

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Message Posted: 08/03/2009 16:55 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 44 of 53 in Discussion |
| It's not a personal argument. My posts are in response to comments made publicly which Pipie is either unable or unwilling to provide proof or justification for. Her accusing me of being an employee of a company and posting under a different name is just one example. Whilst, once again, a thread is degenerated into Pipie posting digs re one maintenance company, isn't that a perfect example of what the OP is talking about re rumour mongering? |
PIPIE

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Message Posted: 08/03/2009 17:46 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 45 of 53 in Discussion |
| R/d ahh did ums what is your interest then ? |
PIPIE

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Message Posted: 08/03/2009 21:36 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 46 of 53 in Discussion |
| Rubber duck . R/D LD This is what was at the top of the thread . people should be brave and honest enough to speak out but without anonimity and with honesty after getting the facts right. Rumour mongering will not do. Now i can prove all what i have said re my issues !!! Now you say you are not working for M/C you are ceratainly no owner . you both know more than some owners . So tell me how you know all of this info ? |
RubberDuck

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Message Posted: 08/03/2009 21:49 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 47 of 53 in Discussion |
| Pipie tell us all exactly what I have said that is not posted on public forums. It doesn't take much reading or research - it's all there on Glencoe's forums. Where you yourself in fact told people here to go. I am not even a member on Glencoe forums yet I can see the info. Difference with you is you read what you choose, twist what is said and ignore the rest. If you can prove all that you say Pipie then do so. Somehow I think you will YET AGAIN ignore the pertinent points here and come back with yet another stupid immature diatribe, perhaps mixed in with some more snide little insinuations and a sprinkling of some more of your paranoia on top. |
PIPIE

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Message Posted: 08/03/2009 22:33 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 48 of 53 in Discussion |
| R/D What do you want me to prove ? |
anomug

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Message Posted: 08/03/2009 23:20 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 49 of 53 in Discussion |
| It appears to me as a new member, that due to inflated ego's quite a number of vociferous members of this forum are more interested in scoring points of each other than helping to confront all the problems that so obviously exist. In doing so they are inadvertantly assisting the perpetrators to cloud the real problems. anomug |
rtddci

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Message Posted: 08/03/2009 23:32 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 50 of 53 in Discussion |
| anomug Absolutely! Well put. |
stevemac

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Message Posted: 09/03/2009 17:54 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 51 of 53 in Discussion |
| Pipie, I have to say that your comments on the Seaterra messages about mortgages are in contradiction to what you're now saying on this message. Amoug, I agree with you. Anyone who wants to hide the truth from people for their own selfish reasons are no better than the purpetrators. |
PIPIE

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Message Posted: 09/03/2009 18:15 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 52 of 53 in Discussion |
| stevemac. Can you expand please |
stevemac

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Message Posted: 15/03/2009 20:17 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 53 of 53 in Discussion |
| Unfortunately there seem to be many informative posts about problems with developers and lawyers etc which include valuable information by Ismet, and they are being deleted in to thin air like the Seaterra Mortgages topics. Anyone who wants to cover these things up are just as guilty as the purpetrators imho. |
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