Quiet analysis

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
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Message Posted:
05/03/2009 20:38

In the interest of clarity, if not sanity, can we assume Pvt Pike, is who he says he is, and we will take "as read" his other pseudonyms.



Question...What do you think the Turks should have done, when their fellow Turks (TCs) were being killed, raped, and driven from their homes, as The GCs fully supported, persued the Greek aim of Enosis throughout Cyprus?



What could Turkey have done to protect their citizens, other than the action that they took?



Do you not think that it was reasonable, having corralled their people into The North for protection, to offer to swap an equivalent amount of land for that annexed in The North,

in order that the dispossed on both sides , to rebuild their lives.



Do you not think that Turkey, having persued the above aims for some 35 years have behaved reasonably in their intentions



Do you hold any personal guilt for being part of a peacekeeping force, that just turned the other cheek, whilst atrocities were being committed?

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 20:44

Useless. Wyn, you are trying to convince the devil that god exists. Or: you want this man to voluntarily unsubscribe from the Greek Cypriot fifth column. *



* Source Wikipedia: "A fifth column is a group of people who clandestinely undermine a larger group, such as a nation, to which it is regarded as being loyal. etc." **



** The man has a house in TRNC (he says or lies).

wynyardman



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Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 20:45

Do you not think Turkeys biggest crime in retrospect was little more that poor PR?



Do you not think that the International Community are rapidly coming round to this line of thought.?



Do you not think an amicably negotiated settlement is in everyones best interests?



Why do you think constantly stirring dissent, accusing people of being thieves, is the best way

to arrive at a peaceful settlement, for the poor people of Cyprus.



That Pike is what I would call "A Strathclyde Cell mentality? Myopic (must be the small windows!



wynj

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 20:48

i think your spot on wyn ,but dont know about question 6 , i wasnt part of a force , peacekeeping or otherwise , but pikey and juliet will be along in a minute or so to answer that ,

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 20:49

Hi DC,



That was a close scrape you had the other day.



wyn

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 20:52

oh my god wyn i love to have you back but this goes over my head. I read all the posts hoping to get an understanding but i fail. you have reason to question and you have the answers..i have missed your wisdom so much.xxxxxx

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 20:53

Wyn,for what its worth. You speak well my man..keep at it.Tis good.spider.

dodger



Joined: 29/07/2007
Posts: 1895

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 21:01

Good stuff Wyn,

It has to be the year of hatchet burying.Stop the mud slinging from both sides and for the good of Cyprus move on.This is the last attempt at solving the problem.Free the north from embargoes and let them trade on an even playing field with both their hands untied,

Paul.

wynyardman



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Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 21:09

Lilli,



You have a nature that could charm the hummingbirds from the trees. It is so good to hear from you!.



Do not worry your head of such matters. Just look for a peaceful settlement.



I await with baited breath, our meet in May..I am told Guidos bruschetta is to die for.



I will ensure that the Lady Wyn is suitably attired. They have agreed to surgically bind her to



a sack trolley, so there will be no trouble. Take care. I hope that you can see a future for



me outside Cyprus44, when you read my hand. Take care!



wyn

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 21:12

Dodger my good man, you are free!



But for how long? Take care my friend.!



wyn

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 21:26

hiya wyn and dodger Wyn you are in my heart and in my soul. dodge i love you too but with a different meaning xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 21:40

Shame on you Lilli, what about poor Guido, don't you go off into the sunset with either of these likely lads, back to the kitchen girl.

dodger



Joined: 29/07/2007
Posts: 1895

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 21:44

Lilli,

Stop it you are making me blush.

hattikins


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Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 21:50

Lilli,

Leave these two alone, go for the gentry, Lord Loch-Upp and his neighbour Jock Annory are free, but best speak to his lordships better half ( Juliet) before you move in for the kill. If they can't be contacted they will be in later, they are probably visiting the pubs selling The War Cry.

joseph


Joined: 17/04/2008
Posts: 709

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 21:56

Hi Wyn, DC, Rowlo and Dodger...



Interesting reading with many valid points to digest...



However... given the current status and a lot of thought how would you proceed now, if you were an advisor in the current talks. What common ground would you find on which to proceed and what concessions give?

Given all your knowledge of past events how would you bring the sides together?



Please read my tag re : Is Cyprus in a coma? and answer on there...

Not trying to divert your post ... honest... just seems it could knit in quite well as this is a tag is asking how we ordinary joes would solve current issues if we were asked, no point making nor sword waving... however difficult



Regards Joseph

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 22:02

Hattikins,



Guido and Lilli have promised to cook traditional Black Country fare. You are just jealous!



Back to the smoked Haddock fillets cooked in milk ! No more Marks and Spencers



Aberdeen Angus Pies with Stilton and Port for you!! Far too rich!



Take care Hattikins, Its good to see you taking some of the more undesireables to task!



Do you think maybe shes a vegitarian? Theres certainly something missing!!



wyn

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 22:05

Self respect and decency probably but heh ho, there is always one itch you can't scratch. Good to have your input again John, take care and stay behind the parapet eh !!!

wynyardman



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Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 22:17

Joseph,



It is my view(for what it is worth) that the younger Cypriots actually want peace. They have seen that there is no future in the emnity of the past, and they have to move on in the interests of a peaceful coexistance with their neighbours.



Property (or to give it its more appropriate term) seems to be the major stumbling block.



I would give full compensation at 74 prices for anyone dispossed of their property. Where land remains undeveloped, I would allow it to be repatriated. Where it has been developed full compensation or exchange. Exchange would be the number one priority because it

would cause the minimum disruption.



I would go for a bizonal solution with the responsuibility for national government shared.

I would offer generous compensation for any mainland Turks, wishing to return to Turkey.



Christophias and Talat can only agree so much. I am sure that the EU will interject with a number of sweeteners to ensure that any settlement complies with the

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 22:20

Joseph, I fully recognise that there is far more to a settlement than those points that I have outlined, but I feel the points addressed cover the main stumbling blocks, and that was the basis of your question.



Just my view, that is all.



May I just add, I loved the multicoloured dreamcoat.



Take care,



wyn

wynyardman



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Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 22:25

Msg 18,



Should have finished with.....the general principles of the European Community.



wyn

joseph


Joined: 17/04/2008
Posts: 709

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 22:56

Hi Wyn...



You say your view... for what it's worth...



I think such views are invaluable for the simple reason that views that are fair and reasonable are the ground on which progress is made. As you say... the younger Cypriots want to move on, see an end to hatred and live in peace.

For me the more these things are talked about honestly the nearer a solution.



As neutrals ... I presume you are expat... local people hear and digest what is being said honestly by others and I think this can only help, not hinder.



So reading what you have written I personally would say there is common ground to be found here and maybe, just maybe, the current talks are not too far away from such ideas.



I think there is a really interesting tag by ilovecyprus re property board... considering your thoughts I think you will find it well worth reading



Regards Joseph

Harlequin


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 346

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 23:11

Dutch Crusader



"you are trying to convince the devil that god exists"



There would be no need as, if one believes in God etc., you would know that the devil was previously the Archangel Lucifer who was cast out of heaven along with his followers.

Harlequin


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 346

Message Posted:
05/03/2009 23:13

and here are the rest of the cast:



http://www.paradiselost.org/5-cast.html