tc's and the annan plan

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
07/03/2009 11:39

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/



You will have to look at this today as it will only be on this site for one day

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
07/03/2009 11:42

Interesting, a large number of GC's thought the selling of GC properties was wrong

Amber


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Message Posted:
07/03/2009 11:46

Only 27% would vote YES for the annan plan !!!!!!!!!!!!



I wish could have a crystal ball and see the outcome of all this !!

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
07/03/2009 11:49

Hi Amber



If I had known that such a large numebr of TC's felt this way about GC properties I would not have bought in the North.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
07/03/2009 11:53

Mark, when I open that link it displays an article about a 'record number of cheques being returned'

Nothing about GC's and the Annan Plan!



Bill

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
07/03/2009 11:56

Hi Bill



Go to the news section and you will see a list of articles

dodger



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Message Posted:
07/03/2009 12:01

Mark,

Chin up mate things will work out,

Paul.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
07/03/2009 12:03

Hope so Paul

sylvie


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Message Posted:
07/03/2009 12:59

most TC i know and family ,today ,will not vote as they did in the referendum - they were disapointed and i am sure 2 STATES WILL BE BETTER FOR EVERYBODY!

vincehugo


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Message Posted:
07/03/2009 13:16

Re Msg 2



"Interesting, a large number of GC's thought the selling of GC properties was wrong"



I think you mean TC's, not GC's - I'm certain that GC's thought it was wrong!



But I do wonder what the actual question was that they answered. I've tried to find and translate the details in Kibris but failed.

lovelife


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Message Posted:
07/03/2009 13:36

It would be interesting to note the actual number of people who were interviewed, stating half and 27%, 15% of what? 100, 1000, 10,000 people.

fire starter


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Message Posted:
07/03/2009 13:45

as i have said before most of our tc friends would not buy or recommend to buy exchange land.

Macha


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Message Posted:
07/03/2009 13:47

Part of the article foreigners occupying "exchange" properties should consider:



"A second poll in Kibris said 63.5 per cent of Turkish Cypriots thought selling off Greek Cypriot properties was wrong."

Macha


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Message Posted:
07/03/2009 13:49

Which would suggest expats may not expect much sympathy - or cash support - when GC recovery actions start.

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
07/03/2009 14:00

It just meant that the 63.5% didn't have any GC land to sell, more like.

basheer



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Message Posted:
07/03/2009 14:07

Poll: Turkish Cypriots reject Annan plan

By Jean Christou



OVER HALF of Turkish Cypriots say they would not vote for the 2004 Annan plan if it were put again to referendum, a poll in Kibris newspaper has revealed.



In 2004, over 63 per cent of Turkish Cypriots voted for the plan compared to only 24 per cent of Greek Cypriots.



According to the Kibris poll, carried out by KADEM, if they had to vote again, only 27.9 per cent of Turkish Cypriots would vote ‘yes’ while 15.1 per cent were undecided.



Responding to the question: “what kind of a solution you want to the Cyprus problem?”, 62.6 per cent of the participants in the survey said they wanted “two completely separate independent states” while only 17.2 per cent supported a federation with a powerful central government.



This is the type of solution the two leaders are aiming for under the current negotiations.



Nearly ten per cent of Turkish Cypriots said they want the continuation of the current situation, while 3.2 pe

fire starter


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Message Posted:
07/03/2009 14:52

basheer

this kaden poll where was it done(which area of the trnc)?

is there any info on the age groups or educational back ground of those polled?



i am very suprised at the figure of 17.2% supporting a federation.

if i surveyed the tc village where i live, whos population is mainly origional tc's i think this figure would be higher.

even the 10% wanting the status quo to continue if find hard to believe.

Macha


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Message Posted:
07/03/2009 15:18

Exactly. How reputable are the pollsters and how representative is the sample? I wonder what the findings would be if it was carried out by System Three or YouGov.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
07/03/2009 15:20

Hi Mark



http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=44427&cat_id=1



it will stay here..

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
07/03/2009 15:49

msge 19



cheers Mark. I need to remmebr the http which you told me about before.



msge 11



lovelife, Kadem polls seem to use 1,000 people as a sample size. in the last poll I saw, they had a sample size of 1375



msge 10



vincehugo, that was a silly mistake I made. Probbaly shows thier was a part of me that didn't want to accept what I saw



Would be interesting to know a little more about the frame and context of the question

fire starter


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Message Posted:
07/03/2009 16:11

i just feel that if for instance you stood outside a factory and asked workers you would get a totally different result than say doctors from the hospital.

if they say it represents the tc views, how does 1,000 people compare to the population who can actually vote here?

which political way does the kibris news paper sway?

regarding area i think a poll in girne would show very different results than say famagusta due to ethnic differences in population.



my feelings are that if you asked the educated doctors, businessmen ect, they would be for reunification as many go south for shopping, working and to see gc friends.

where the uneducated people who don't know any different would stay with the status quo.

i am interested in that if the expat community had a vote in this , which way would they go?

would it be for the best thing for cyprus as a whole, or about personal gain?

Macha


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Message Posted:
07/03/2009 16:17

Good questions, FS.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
07/03/2009 17:36

msge 21



"i just feel that if for instance you stood outside a factory and asked workers you would get a totally different result than say doctors from the hospital. "



It's an interesting point FS. If you asked TC's who have benefited from the selling of GC land i.e furniture shop owners, you may get a different answer from those who have not benefited. You may get a different response from those in Kyrenia compared to Morphou i.e annan plan



The thing to remember though is that sufficiently high numbers overcome such anomolies, that's why large numbers are used as opposed to just speaking to five people. We can speak to 5 people, ask the same question, get the same response and conclude that we have the facts, but quite often we conclude wrongly from this small sample. 1,000 people will represent the feelings of a community more accurately.



Of course, feelings and thoughts cn change and questionaires can be poorly constructed.



end of part 1

Aussie


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Message Posted:
07/03/2009 19:05

A good survey sample isn't random but as closely as possible reflect the demographic composition of the population/ electorate taking into account income and professional groups and regions, sex etc in proportion to their representation. Of course you can never be 100% accurate in doing so but the worst excesses of unrepresentative samples can be avoided.



The trouble is you can rarely find how they take their samples and surveys.



Aussie

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
07/03/2009 20:03

msge 24



I agree Aussie