ok, seriously

Reproman


Joined: 05/06/2008
Posts: 252

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 11:29

Having just got back from TRNC and been out on property inspections all over the place for 5 hrs a day. And seeing everything that has been built, from apartment complexes to whole towns of villas and houses.

Shops and resturants.



Does anyone really think it will all just be given back?

Will the greeks really be able to just demand all this be knocked down and compensation be paid by each individual person?



Whilst also seeing how many main land Turks have settled over the years and built lives here, do you really see them being sent back, literally overnigth, just because the Greeks demand so?



Also seeing all the army baracks dotted all over the place, can you REALLy see them just upping and leaving? (I for one feel a lot safer in a place knowing we have x amount of soliders on stand by incase of ANY attack, reagrdless of who it may be)



whilst in the TRNC and driving around, talking to local people, is it me or do you get the feeling that nothing will actually happen

maybemike


Joined: 12/01/2009
Posts: 188

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 11:33

time to buy this will never be given back.













maybe

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 13:09

reproman: "Will the greeks really be able to just demand all this be knocked down and compensation be paid by each individual person?"



Wishful thinking on your part, I reckon. Regardless of whether in time there will be a BBF or two-state solution, foreigners will continue to be taken to court for their UK assets, rendering an "exchange" property pretty worthless IMO.

skybluesam


Joined: 24/12/2008
Posts: 447

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 13:14

Macha,

How about those that do not have assets in th UK?

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 13:15

macha

other point is 'the greeks' are we speaking of the greeks or greek cypriot people?



there is loads of turkish title land available for sale why would you buy the so called exchange land?

Reproman


Joined: 05/06/2008
Posts: 252

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 13:17

Mach



What about all the Russians, Dutch, Germans and Israelis that are now the ones buying?



Repro

Reproman


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Posts: 252

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 13:19

Good point Skyblue...and im also sure people will find loopholes around this anyway.



Besides...has any case been carried through to completion with regards to having UK assets seized?



Repro

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 13:19

skybluesam,



Even if they have no UK assets the lawyers will turn them over as much as they can and it won't be a pleasant experience. Also, who would they ever sell the "exchange" property to? Publicity alone in the local press (civil actions are posted on the walls of the courts) would bring a fair amount of embarassment and shame.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 13:21

it doesn't matter who buys it, it doesn't change the fact that it was taken from a displaced greek cypriot.

who the e.u courts still recognise have the legal title deeds to it.

Reproman


Joined: 05/06/2008
Posts: 252

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 13:21

What happens if your UK asstes are in Negative equity?



LOL



i.e. more or less owned by the bank?



Repro

jock1



Joined: 06/01/2008
Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 13:25

We'r Dooooomed, Doooomed i tell ye.........











just enjoy yourself while your here, i aint worried!!!!

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 13:26

repro,



Where is the evidence of all these foreign buyers? The property market is stagnant, prices are falling and estate agents are hardly shifting anything. Add to that the global recession which has devalued LEGAL house prices everywhere and you'll agree I'm sure that buying disputed properties in a politically unstable territory with dodgy title deeds is lunacy.



I think some people who made a bad investment some years ago, and still don't "own" "their" properties, are desperately clutching at straws.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 13:36

clutching at straws or trying to sell them,lol.

twaddle


Joined: 06/07/2008
Posts: 245

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 13:42

If the current talks do not succeed and bearing in mind that both leaders have said this is the last opportunity to reunify. Then I think that there is every liklihood that the TRNC will either be Internationally recognised or will be annexed to Turkey. Either way, North Cyprus will then be outside of the EU. Any subsequent attempts to take civil action on the back of EU rulings will not be possible.

Reproman


Joined: 05/06/2008
Posts: 252

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 13:46

"I think some people who made a bad investment some years ago, and still don't "own" "their" properties, are desperately clutching at straws"



Those that have invested in TRNC some years ago have had a far better run for their money that those that have purchased during the peak 2006/2007 in the UK, how many of those no longer own their properties now?

Reposession are at record highs right now.

And those thousands in the US that are being foreclosed on a daily basis.

Lets not forget the crashed Spainish market.

( i know its a totally different situation, but the end result is the same...being kicked out of your home and losing all your money)



I for one feel safe owning in the TRNC right now, as there is no sign the latest talks will solve anything.



and as jock pointed out...we are ALL DOOMED no matter where we are...





Repro

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 13:49

twaddle

north cyprus is in the e.u already and if they are internationally recognised then it will be expected to abide by eu laws/ rulings.

turkey will also joint the e.u at some point.

so i guess its not if ,but when civil action will be taken.

the e.u recognises that the owner pre 1974 be them tc or gc is the legal owner.

the orams are the test case and then the flood gates will open.

twaddle


Joined: 06/07/2008
Posts: 245

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 14:26

Fire Starter, yes, I know they are in the EU (nominally) at the moment but IF they were to become an Internationally recognised sovereign state they will not be in the EU. If They were annexed to Turkey who then became EU members, I cannot see that an ROC resident could take action against any TRNC / Turkish resident with regards to property in the TRNC as it could not be considered as part of the ROC as it is at the moment. Only my own view, but this situation cannot continue forever. Surely the International community will get fed up soon with the inability of the 2 sides to agree to reunify and will accept them as seperate states. Think about it, if states such as Iran and Syria are allowed to trade Internationally, why should not the little old TRNC who purely want to live in peace be allowed to do so.

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 14:34

twaddle: "Then I think that there is every liklihood that the TRNC will either be Internationally recognised or will be annexed to Turkey."



I don't know if you actually know the Turkish Cypriots and their mindset, but I think you'd be looking at major civil unrest if it was suggested their part of Cyprus was going to be swallowed up by Turkey. They don't want it, full stop. They've been abused and expoilted by Turkey for long enough.

Reproman


Joined: 05/06/2008
Posts: 252

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 14:40

We have been "abused and expoilted" by the greeks for far far longer.





Repro

twaddle


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Posts: 245

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 14:45

Macha, I agree that annexation would not be the favoured option. However, I think it might be more agreeable than a solution that gives too much power to the GCs. I personally would like to see a solution that would be to everyones' benefit but it does look a rather doubtful prospect at the moment.

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 15:04

msg 19



you have been "abused & exploited" by the greeks!!!! so have the Cypriots that is why they want reunification, for the Cypriots...

Reproman


Joined: 05/06/2008
Posts: 252

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 15:50

Juiliet



The Turkish Cypriots want reunification, freedom and the right to stand up and be counted hence they showed this by voting YES in 2004.



The Greeks want everything but unification and any sort of recognition of turkish cypriots...hence they voted NO and still cause problems to this day.



If the choice comes down to being taken over by greeks and made second class citizens or being annexed by Turkey...i know what i would be voting for.



But the problem is...when it comes to any sort of referendum..there is no fair policy...it seems to be VOTE to agree whatever the Greeks want...or stay in isolation until you change your mind.



For now at least........



Long Live TRNC



Repro

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 16:02

spot on repro .

joseph


Joined: 17/04/2008
Posts: 709

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 16:03

Hi Reproman



Like you when I joined the forum I asked similar questions in order to get a feel for how the more experienced living in TRNC felt about current issues affecting your home etc.



Investment in this case is a poor word because it implies you ventured here in order to make money to the detriment of others when in fact you are probably just buying a holiday/retirement home because you have fell in love with the place. Anyway like you I asked the question.



I was stunned by the vitriol and negative comments so readily flung at me on this board. But like everything else there is always two sides to any view and thankfully there are many on this forum who can give a more sanguine opinion as to their take on things and ,surprise surprise, disagree with the "you'll be sorry brigade"



For every Macha there is an erolz (hope erolz does not mind me saying so)



Have a look at both views espoused and you will see what I mean

and so better able to judge.



Regards Josep

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 16:42

try looking online at the advice given by the british goverment regarding property purchase in cyprus.

then you would be better placed to judge.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 17:51

FS, not sure if I would want any advice from this British Govenment looking at their record over the last few years..................probably best go it alone ?

Reproman


Joined: 05/06/2008
Posts: 252

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 18:18

Joesph



I purchased my property in North Cyrpus purly because i am a Turkish Cypriot.

After years and years of failed talks, embargoes and isloation i have given up on waiting for this to end.

In the mean time why should i hang on and wait?

I am not getting any younger.

2004 was a significant turning point for me and as the current talks seem to be failing by the day, i feel there will never be any unification plan that will satisfy the greeks.



With the whole world falling apart at the seems and the EU looking more like a failed ideolgy. I see no chance for unification for the foreseeable future. And the longer this goes on..the more chance the TRNC will be recognised.



Each time i retrun i see more developments and progression, albeit slowly..but it is happening. Why should we just sit in limbo untill the Greeks say so.



Repro.

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 18:21

For goodness sake Macha, Fire starter & Juliet give it a rest. We have heard it all before many times over. The vast majority of land east of Girne, wasn't fit for anything other than grazing goats on. Six years ago the land was valued at less than £2000 per donum, so what was it worth in 1974? Sweet fanny adams, in fact they couldn't give it away. Stop your bleating and winding folks up. It will all work out in the end for everyone. So stop worrying and listening to these muppets and enjoy life.



The Butlers wife

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 18:23

Macha and Juliet, are there enough eggs in the world because you both are going to end up with a hell of a lot of them on your faces.



You are both really very silly...

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 18:32

Reproman



I wish you would stop saying GREEKS! we are Cypriots......

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 18:34

msg 28



would you be saying the same if the shoe was on the other foot, & someone was occupying your back garden in the UK for the last 34yrs?

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 18:37

Firestarter



good advice, but unfortunatly some people on here don`t follow the rules or the advice.....hell mend them come to mind..

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 18:42

judgement day acometh?

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 18:43

Juliet, I think you are British possibly married to a Cypriot so how can you call yourself Cypriot ?

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 18:44

Juliet you are absolutely right for once ...you aren't greeks, even they don't want you lol.

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 18:46

turtle



i am cypriot .....

juliet


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Posts: 612

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 18:47

deecyprus



thankgod for that...

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 18:50

Where were you born Juliet

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 18:50

Actually I think the true greeks are far more honourable than the GC's....

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 19:06

dee



each to there own....i prefer tcs to Turks....

rtddci


Joined: 29/12/2007
Posts: 842

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 19:56

Thought I add my sixpenneth worth of a prediction. There will be a solution worked out sometime this year or very early next. Whether it will please all of the people is very, very unlikely. Why do I predict that (apart from my distant relation being called Nostodamus)? Greece is on the verge of bankruptcy. They really don't need the very expensive Cyprus saga carrying on. The TRNC is financially bankrupt anyway (although the new $500m loan helps) but are fairly happy because Turkey pays the bills and wages at the end of the day. President Talat knows whats coming if there is no settlement hence he wont stand again for election. Turkey wants to get into the EU (The Cyprus problem is a major road block) and again is on the verge of bankruptcy but wont admit it of course, hence the overtures to the IMF. Turkey therefore wants a solution urgently without losing face both politically & financially. So the pressure is at it's greatest ever for a solution, so a crack will appear in the dam.

Reproman


Joined: 05/06/2008
Posts: 252

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 20:31

Juliet:

"would you be saying the same if the shoe was on the other foot, & someone was occupying your back garden in the UK for the last 34yrs?"



When members of your family were killed by the greeks.

Women, children, fathers, uncles.

Children that were left disabled from the ethinc cleansing that took place by THE GREEKS.

And no these are not stories made up...these are real life tragedies.

When your members of your family tell you of how they used to wait until after dark and take their children through the fields to the safety of the turkish camps, afraid their village will be the next.



And you are asking me if i give a damn about whos garden i am sitting in?



Get your priorites straight.



The thing that sickens me the most...Turkish Cypriots are not after revenge, but simply want to be allowed to live...

The Greeks, after all these years...are seeking REVENGE, filled with hate they continue to make the lives of those that survived their onslaught hell.



Repro

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 21:25

reproman



funny you should mention the atrocities of the invasion, just 20 minutes ago on the local news we watched a whole family being buried, ie mother husband 2 children under the age of 4yrs, there remains have just been uncovered after 34yrs........killed by Turks....



And yes you should give a dam whos garden your sitting in... but you still didn`t anwser the first paragraph of your post...

Reproman


Joined: 05/06/2008
Posts: 252

Message Posted:
09/03/2009 01:06

Juliet:



I see nothing 'funny' about it, you may on the other hand.

You saw something on the TV? Proagander was it?



Answer what? 'how would i feel if someone was sitting on my land?'



They are...both my parents were originally from the south !



As i said before....we do not want Revenge or compensation, we just want to be left to live, IN PEACE AND WITH FREEDOM...so please leave us alone.

And stop making life more difficult for us each passing day.

Its hard enough trying to make ends meet as it is.





Repro.

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
09/03/2009 07:51

http:www.famagusta-gazette.com/news



i`m sorry it`s hard for you to make ends meet, maybe you should change your mind about the reunification so ALL cypriots can prosper...

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
09/03/2009 07:54

I think you mean so that all gc's can carry on prospering..

Reproman


Joined: 05/06/2008
Posts: 252

Message Posted:
09/03/2009 10:10

Juliet,



I think its you Greeks that need to change your mind regarding unification...as you were the ones who voted no last time, and continue to cause problems this time round.



Or maybe you meant to change our minds to surrendering total control to you Greeks and giving up our Freedom?



Repro

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
09/03/2009 15:44

our tc friends look forward to the day when they have unification and opportunities equal to the gc's.

they were here during 1974 and have been since, and by god they have suffered for it.

so if they can move on why can't those who left ?

joseph


Joined: 17/04/2008
Posts: 709

Message Posted:
09/03/2009 16:25

As The Butlerswife said :For goodness sake Macha, Fire starter & Juliet give it a rest. We have heard it all before many times over.



Repro... as I said earlier don't get drawn into a war of words on the past.



I presume your tag was an honest question about the future and it's evolvement but before you know it u r into arguments of blame.



I think last weeks evil murders in N'Ireland should be a pointer to the politicians in the current talks. As far as I know the Irish people have lived in peace for the last 12 years or so going about their daily lives, not worrying about their children being caught up in some awful atrocity. I could be wrong but am willing to bet people do not want a return to the bad old days.

Obviously though... some extremists do.



I am no expert on Irish politics, like most, only what I remember from those terrible years and perhaps someone on here (Irish) has a different view

but that is my take. Get on with the satus quo peacefully.



Joseph

joseph


Joined: 17/04/2008
Posts: 709

Message Posted:
09/03/2009 16:28

Sorry... I quoted the Butler... not his wife



Apologies Butler (but I know who's boss



Regards Joseph

fire starter


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Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
09/03/2009 16:38

joseph

i would have thought someone like yourself with such relgious beliefs would have morals?

instead you profit from some poor displaced greek cypriots loss.

if thats what religion does for you, i'm gratefull to be a non believer.

joseph


Joined: 17/04/2008
Posts: 709

Message Posted:
09/03/2009 17:05

Ah... so now we have it...



So your opposition is based on religious grounds?



But you are a non believer...



Or perhaps you just like to twist all things for your own gain in whatever argument.. "Whited sepulchres" comes to mind.



Joseph

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
09/03/2009 17:24

Jospeh



Not heard the term "Whited sepulchres" before but having looked it up



"Noun 1. whited sepulchre - a person who is inwardly evil but outwardly professes to be virtuous "



I must agree with you that with some posters it does indeed 'come to mind'.



Of course there may be those who think my posts bring "Whited sepulchres" to mind too, but for me at least that is not an issue for I know what I truly am inside and what I aspire to be.

joseph


Joined: 17/04/2008
Posts: 709

Message Posted:
09/03/2009 17:33

Hi erolz,



Apologies but I did not direct this at any person per se but rather at their ideas and or motives.



That is to say they are perhaps being mischeivous or in more common parlance winding people up. Apologies if you/ anyone misunderstoode my intent. I just feel the negatives hold far to much sway and never seem to be positive. Imagine the difference if people on here were more of the welcome to the aboard attitude and yes any questions please ask and if we can offer any positive advice we will.



I enjoy your posts because I think you are in this bracket of helpfulness and trying to move things along positively...



Maybe we should have a Cyprus44 Positive Day



Regards Joseph

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
09/03/2009 17:46

Joseph msg 54



"I enjoy your posts because I think you are in this bracket of helpfulness and trying to move things along positively..."



Thanks for those kind words though I do fear such statments may make you a target but hope my fears prove to be unfounded.



In all honesty I focus the vast majority of my efforts to both 'be helpful' and 'move things along positively' in the real world rather than on froums like these, helping idviduals with computers where I can and getting involved in bi communal iniatives as much as possible. I find on forums such as these I do tend to get bogged down in trying to correct and counter and balance persistant inaccuracies and distortions and the sheer volume of them , all be it from a few sources, tends to outweigh my 'helpful' and 'positive' posts. I still struggle with this without becomming a mirror image of the things I am trying to correct or balance however. Its not easy.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
09/03/2009 17:54

my opposition is based on knowing right from wrong.

i don't need to twist anything.

why is it you are having trouble taking part in a fair debate?

after all telling people to 'give it a rest' is that polite fair debate?

i think not.

thats you and your friends wanting to shut up those who disagree with your views.

joseph


Joined: 17/04/2008
Posts: 709

Message Posted:
09/03/2009 18:15

Firstarter...



The above quote was not mine... I simply pasted it because others have a different view to you... in this case "thebutler" who went on to say its time to move on and deal with the status quo I happen to think that statement reflects a fair proportion of those of us who support neither side.



I wonder though whether it is a case of the kettle calling the pot black when you say... presumably to erolz... thats you and your friends wanting to shut up those who disagree with your views... what if they agree with yours...

Does that make them ok in your eyes?



For my part I support neither side re past conflicts, how can I ... not having lived through it but I would like to see successful talks completed and ALL cypriot peoples living in harmony.



Joseph

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
09/03/2009 18:24

Just in case the



"thats you and your friends wanting to shut up those who disagree with your views."



in fire starters post was aimed at me I would say I have NEVER told anyone on any forum to 'shut up' or 'go away' or tell people they should not post until they learn more about the subject or the other variants on this theme or dimimissed their views simply because of their ethnic orgin , my own interpretation of their ethnic orgin or the status of property they may own.

Reproman


Joined: 05/06/2008
Posts: 252

Message Posted:
09/03/2009 18:44

ok, its all my fault...I started yet another thread that has ended up being about the same old crap.

But before this thread gets closed down..(which I think its time it did – note to mods)



All I was trying to say was, how much development I observed on my last visit and how I cannot envisage how all the infrastructure and integration of peoples in TRNC over the past 30 odd years can be simply be ‘reversed’.





Repro.

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
09/03/2009 19:49

msge 59



you make a good point about the infrastructure Reproman.





I am sure this thread will end very soon

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
09/03/2009 19:56

the butler: "For goodness sake Macha, Fire starter & Juliet give it a rest. We have heard it all before many times over. The vast majority of land east of Girne, wasn't fit for anything other than grazing goats on. Six years ago the land was valued at less than £2000 per donum, so what was it worth in 1974? Sweet fanny adams, in fact they couldn't give it away. Stop your bleating and winding folks up. It will all work out in the end for everyone. So stop worrying and listening to these muppets and enjoy life."



Many posters are "muppets" as you say, but they don't worry me in the slightest. Thanks for your concern Rest assured I will continue to post the facts about the TRNC that hundreds of Brits wish they had known before committing themselves to disaster.



I've never heard someone try to justify ethnic cleansing, property theft and war crimes by claiming it was "only grazing land", but then again, wasn't a well-known Royal butler accused of stealing? Is it a butler thing?

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
09/03/2009 19:58

deecyprus: "You are both really very silly."



So says the person who claimed all the mosques in the south had been destroyed.

You did say you'd apologise when proved wrong.



We're still waiting...

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
09/03/2009 20:02

Turtle: "Where were you born Juliet?"



What business is it of yours? I note you're happy enough to speculate about others, but not brave enough to say anything about yourself.



Shame about your development, BTW. Do you know who the legal owner is? Would you like me to tell you?

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
09/03/2009 20:07

fire starter: "joseph i would have thought someone like yourself with such relgious beliefs would have morals?instead you profit from some poor displaced greek cypriots loss. if thats what religion does for you, i'm gratefull to be a non believer."



Amen to that!

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
09/03/2009 20:09

This thread is now closed. Reason: Thread was hijacked.

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
09/03/2009 20:11

Erolz: "at least that is not an issue for I know what I truly am inside and what I aspire to be."



What a pity that someone with such high ideals and opinion of himself seems unwilling to accept the same of another.



Think about it for a minute, Erolz. You have never met me. Do you REALLY know my motivation on these forums?

canyavuz


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 363

Message Posted:
09/03/2009 20:12

REPROMAN



I know the politics of North Cyprus very well.....and the way the minds of North Cyprus, Turkey and the Turkish armed forces work.



1.They cannot ask for everything to be knocked over and given back, purely because half of the population would be homeless..



2. Turkey wouldn't allow for this area to be inhabited by Greek cypriots at a large scale, or anything more than 3% of the total population.



The only solution there will be, would be compensation to be paid.

Either the government, or current owner would be liable for this compensation.



Nobody will be giving anything back......nothing will be knocked down, or over.....believe me.

I know that those shifty estate agents told you the same thing, but for once, they are right.



I advise you to continue on your purchase......buy an apartment or villa......and try to bargain, as this is the key time to do it.....builders are desperate to sell sell sell, the ecomonic turmoil is crushing down on them....use it as