Castration of Sex Offenders

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
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Message Posted:
12/03/2009 10:18

It's a bit early in the day but sexual offences are one of the worst kinds of crime, damaging its victim both physically and psychologically.



Should men found guilty of sex crimes be chemically castrated?

jay76


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 532

Message Posted:
12/03/2009 10:31

YES very slowly

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
12/03/2009 10:49

Msg 2,

The question asked about 'chemically castration' - are you saying that they should just suck the tablets, and not chew?

Keith.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
12/03/2009 10:50

I have mixed feeling on this one No 1

How many people have been found guilty in the past and have paid the price , only to be found innocent later. I don't think you can take the risk unless there is 100 % no doubt at all , but then who can really say that ......... But if there is no doubt , yes

Regards , Simbas

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
12/03/2009 10:53

hi simbas how are you. I agree with you totally on this one. If in doubt no if Yes they hang them by thier bxxxs xx

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
12/03/2009 10:55

Simbas,

Being serious (for once) this was the point that I made on the thread 'Man could be freed after 27 years' - the consequences of getting it wrong are pretty frightening.

Perhaps you could keep the 'bits' in a bag, to hand back, just in case...

Oh bugger, and I really WAS trying to be serious!

Keith.

simbas



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Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
12/03/2009 10:58

It was a gallant attempt Keith !

Take care , Simbas

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
12/03/2009 10:58

Keith. What would happen if they handed back the wrong bits and they were a lot 'smaller'? I can see a case for compensation there. ))

jay76


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 532

Message Posted:
12/03/2009 10:59

keithcaley



The question asked about 'chemically castration' - are you saying that they should just suck the tablets, and not chew?



Did not know tablets were the method of castration, your experience is of new information to me.



jay76

keithcaley



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Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
12/03/2009 11:14

Jay76,

Damn, - should have put 'allegedly' - what a giveaway!

keith.

keithcaley



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Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
12/03/2009 11:16

No.1,

Or the wrong colour!

Oh, you've opened a can of worms here.

And I didn't mean it like that either...(much)...

Keith.

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
12/03/2009 11:20

I can see what you mean about getting it wrong,but there is a wider issue. People who have committed rapes and sexual offences CANNOT be rehabilitated.Their state of mind is ingrained and unalterable. We quite often let these people out of jail for them to re-offend( stats show this happens in lots of cases). We are therefore guilty as a society for allowing this to happen,as we have not put measures in place to protect the innocents.Protection of Society and not the rights of Criminals SHOULD be of paramount importance ! The inane Human Rights Act has reversed this and given perverse power to criminals.Chemical castration or other "methods" are a certain way of preventing such monsters from perpetrating such crimes again. We may only very occasionally, get the wrong person,but with DNA evidence now being used regularly,the chances of it being the wrong person are slim. It is a small price to pay in the protection of Societies' innocents.

jay76


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 532

Message Posted:
12/03/2009 11:25

Put them in a cell with charles bronson and let him deal with them

Dusterbruce


Joined: 03/08/2007
Posts: 1125

Message Posted:
12/03/2009 11:37

What about the 'victims' who make false accusations and ruin someone's life?

How should they be treated?

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
12/03/2009 11:57

What do we do with female sex offenders?



The female teachers who groom underage boys etc?

smithy


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 5301

Message Posted:
12/03/2009 12:28

I agree Castrate them, and them hang them no sentence is long enough for them

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
12/03/2009 12:30

ROB. Message 15. There were none at my school.



I could have been groomed, it's not fair! )

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
12/03/2009 12:37

Chemical castration (or any other kind of castration) would not be necessary if convicted sex offenders were locked up away from society. To castrate them suggests they will be let back into society at some time. If they are detained for ever, but at a later date are found not-guilty, they could be released in one piece. Lock them up wrongly for 27 years and see what the compo is. Cut their nuts off as well and the compo will make your eyes water (no pun intended).

craig2536


Joined: 09/06/2007
Posts: 277

Message Posted:
12/03/2009 12:41

let them serve their prison time with the rest of the inmates , no special wings or safe hiding places. Absolutely no parole or early release.

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
12/03/2009 12:50

WE could use them for experimentation instead of using all those poor animals.

craig2536


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Posts: 277

Message Posted:
12/03/2009 12:55

use them to clear the landmine problem here in the buffer zone.

TRNCVaughan


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Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
12/03/2009 12:56

Starting to get silly!!!

jay76


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Posts: 532

Message Posted:
12/03/2009 12:57

Craig2536



i like it

madmazz


Joined: 14/01/2009
Posts: 82

Message Posted:
12/03/2009 13:27

I would make them work hard. Give them enough food to remain healthy, but no treats like use of a gym, TV room etc etc. Make them work so bloody hard they don't have the energy to think about sex.

karakum5c



Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 1021

Message Posted:
12/03/2009 13:30

Why chemical castration !



Just cut them off and leave a tube to pee out of.



My great uncle was in the first world war in the royal air core when the dastardly hun shot him from below and he ended up with a tube for the rest of his life. Just goes to show you the old saying "beware of the hun in the sun" not always true.



Good old great uncle willy, we children made his life a misery,happy days !

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
12/03/2009 13:39

Karakum5c.



Are you joking?



Knowing his situation you called him uncle 'willy' ))

ricky


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 294

Message Posted:
12/03/2009 16:12

Castration OK but this would be seen as discrimation because you can recognize them by the voice...

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
12/03/2009 16:32

See there is no reply to the question "What about women offenders" is that because we think that women do not offend? Or are we to polite to point it out? Whatever, it matters little.



No jail, no castration - a final and proper sentence - right or wrong the problem is solved and will not return.

Enrico


Joined: 07/12/2008
Posts: 209

Message Posted:
12/03/2009 16:38

Message 26

Some people get all the luck.

I was never dragged up an alley by a women and molested. Bah!

Ailletoo


Joined: 24/01/2009
Posts: 1003

Message Posted:
12/03/2009 16:45

Re: msg 21.



I've been saying that for over 20 years. The results would be far more accurate too!

kellybelly


Joined: 08/03/2009
Posts: 263

Message Posted:
12/03/2009 17:53

what sticks in my mind is that on many occasions the very people we look up to for some moral guidance are the very same people that are committing terrible acts of child abuse, IE church ministers etc

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
13/03/2009 13:40

Gone off the rails a bit here!

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
13/03/2009 14:02

Personally I would love to deal with these men...a rusty knife and a whip would be all I would require

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
13/03/2009 16:59

Clarets: "People who have committed rapes and sexual offences CANNOT be rehabilitated.Their state of mind is ingrained and unalterable."



Is this only your opinion or are you qualified to make psychological/psychiatric assessments?

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
13/03/2009 17:08

message 34 can I be first in the queue to do it to them !

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
13/03/2009 17:25

No sorry but you can be second...

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
13/03/2009 17:32

Dee, will you wear leather when you whip 'em? )) sorry only joking!

clarets



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Posts: 752

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 00:26

Mg 35 Macha,yes poor child I am trained,and even passed professional exams in such!

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 15:29

OK, I just thought only consultant psychiatrists/clinical psychologists prepared SIRs for the courts.

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 15:49

Again you get it wrong......Mr Not Know it all. !



Respect to you Clarets.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 17:23

hi alf

i read this about the guy and the goat.

he actually admitted it!

its not the first time i have heard this in cyprus but it usually is about donkeys.

everyone to their own,lol.

karakum5c



Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 1021

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 18:43

People from Aberdeen are reputed in Scotland for certain activities regarding sheep. Often referred to as sheep sh--gers !



Anyone know of any Aberdonians holidaying in Cyprus at the moment maybe taking in the sights, sampling something foreign for a change ?

MsGarnet


Joined: 04/01/2009
Posts: 989

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 21:38

Chemical or literal castration makes no difference to a paedophile - as statistics have confirmed they are the one group of perpetrators with whom there is no success rate when trying to rehabilitate them. If they are castrated, they still have the desire to abuse children, and if unable to physically abuse them, use instruments instead. As regards heterosexual or homosexual offenders, the same applies. The ratio of female sex abusers to male is minimal, I have no idea what one could do to stop them abusing again. To my mind, a convicted abuser; where there is no doubt whatsoever they are the protagonist, should be imprisoned for life. They should be made to work six days a week for a salary (inside the prison) and the salary should be given to the victim.

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 22:09

Although I agree with most of sentiments and proposed penalties.

I think threads of this nature are unsuitable for the cyprus44 forum, and provide little help for those seeking information on North Cyprus, as I sincerely hope the subject is not relevant to NC'

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
16/03/2009 23:45

Msg 40...No little boy,grown ups with degrees in medicine and surgery do too!

tiger


Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 245

Message Posted:
17/03/2009

Yes YES YES it is the lowest cost option, who agrees.

clarets



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Posts: 752

Message Posted:
17/03/2009 00:22

Msg 47 MsGarnet "Chemical or literal castration makes no difference to a paedophile".....which womens mag have you read such nonsense in.I can assure that removal of a male's gonadal drive due to either options ,has a massive impact on his volition and capability to carry out such tasks.

Why on earth do you think that the "Vestel Virgins" were put in such capable hands!

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
17/03/2009 15:04

clarets: "grown ups with degrees in medicine and surgery do too!"



MBChb is the standard qualification given to medical students when they qualify. If that is the basic qualification you have, then I very much doubt the courts service would accept psychiatric assessments from you. ;)

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
17/03/2009 15:50

After following the court case in Austria with that evil Joseph Frizel what he put his daughter through then yes he should be castrated. The details were too harrowing to be reported on. My heart bleeds for that woman and her children. I hope her wounds can heal. He raped here many times in front of her children. I know when he gets sent to prision his cell will be a million times better than the conditions he kept them in.

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
18/03/2009 09:43

Macha...I have both such degrees and several postgraduate diplomas.Courts accept my testimony as both a professional and expert witness.......something a person of your neuropaenic talents(you will have to look that up!)can only dream about......little boy!

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
18/03/2009 12:21

Josef Fritzl has changed his plea to guilty on all charges. When asked Why his reply On seeing my daughters video evidence. He will now go away for the rest of his life probably to a secure hospital as the are fearful of putting him with prisioners. The damage he has done to his daughter and her children then YES he should be castarted and that would be too good for him.

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
18/03/2009 13:04

Clarets msg 54,



Are you really GMC registered? I've never known anybody but a consultant psychiatrist submit psychiatric assessments to the courts. Which courts have you done this in so I can look it up?...Big Boy!

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
18/03/2009 13:45

Macha ......my GMC registration number is 3358184.Amongst my many hats,I am tutor at Manchester University Medical school,Practice Development Appriaser,and also Assessor of other doctors who work in North East Lancashire.I have been Chairman of an organisation serving 500000 people in the local area,and have given expert testimony in the Crown Court at Burnley! So little boy......does that answer your question. You are so proud of what you do that you dont even list it......wouldnt be a snake....sorry,a solicitor,would you? PS....if I'd cocked up my exams at school,I'd have become a solicitor!

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
18/03/2009 14:01

now,now,self assessments please..self awareness..xxxx

















Spider.x

clarets



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Posts: 752

Message Posted:
18/03/2009 14:06

Did you know that solicitor is very nearly an anogram of clit**** !