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paulgeordie


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Hi to all owners, Paul the owner of Kings Bar. It has come to my attention and residents living full time on this site, that some people are refusing to pay maintenance. I would ask that these people please pay their maintenance because the site will not and cannot function unless the management company have the funds to maintain the site. I realise that some people feel that they should not pay as some of the facilities are not up and running but this will remain the case unless people pay their maintenance charges. Things are coming to a head and we may not have any electricity or facilities on site next month. So once again please think of the conseqences of non payment. It is only to the deprement of the site. Regards Paul



gary-monger


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might be a new turquise bay motto "can't pay, won't pay"



paulgeordie


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you could be close to the truth. Maybe some people do not have the money to pay but they should notify the maintenance company if they are financially unable to pay their maintenance



kellybelly


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Paul,i can understand your concern and frustration.There will always be a number of people that will use any excuse not to pay up.OK those people will argue the site is not up to scratch.The point im making is this those people were aware when buying on turquoise that they were committed to pay these fees,like i said any excuse.

regards pete

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PIPIE


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i can also understand the concern and frustration of those who waited 4 years when purchasing off plan and who are still waiting for all amenities to be up and running on Turquoise bay , I feel sure when amenieties are in situ owners will have no hesitation in paying maintenance .



As far as i can see owners have a perfect right to with hold part maintenance until all amenities are up and running , maybe you should be asking developer and maintenance company to put all amenities in operation ,together with a contract of obligations . and maybe then owners will pay full maintenance . Hope this helps .



kenny b


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14/03/2009 02:42

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Hi Paul

Hope you are keeping well I own on Turtle Bay and frequently visit your bar I know how hard you have worked over the past 12months in trying to give both sites a decent bar.

What a very sad state of affairs if people are refusing to pay their fees on the pretext of lack of amenities every time I walk through your site it always looks clean and tidy and very well kept and I know personally how hard the glencoe team work delivering a quality service.

All the non paying owners are putting everyone's investment at risk they need to pay up and take their issues up with their committee and the developer.

Turtle Bay owners have had similar problems with non payers and unfinished amenities but by owners getting behind their committee and having meaningful dialogue with our developer we are slowly but surely getting there.

Do these people not realise that they are putting decent hardworking peoples livelihoods at risk with their selfish attitude.

Kenny b



PIPIE


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I'm sure no non payer of maintenanace wants to put anyones livelihoods at risk , but why should anyone pay for what has not been promised is that fair ? these non payers are not selfish , just sensible in my opinion !!!



kenny b


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Pipie

Drive down the Esentepe road towards Tatlisu and look at the half finished eyesores that blot the landscape.Read the hundreds of postings on 44 about rip off construction companys I can only comment on what I see and I think you have potentialy a wonderful site that looks to me 95% complete.

As stated earlier dont cut your noses off to spite your faces because if you do then your investment will end up as a blot on the landscape instead of a jewel in the med.

Kenny b



Lazy days


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Hello peeps,

Here i goes again, i like coming in on these threads b'cause we are in a position on a small site where most of the promised so called amenities have not happened at all but we pay 60 a month maintenance +electric to the developers father to maintain what we have got, which is not a lot but we are taliking to glen at the moment to take our place over and try to make it right and i think thats what he is trying to do on your site, but his people are being attacked all the time by 1 or 2 in my op very self centred and greedy peeps

I have learned a lot since we started talking to glen and wish him and his team well but with peeps like u no hoo well i doubt there will be a very sticky end soon, as the sensible peeps on here say there are many many in fact nearly all community places who do not have all 'in situ' as pips likes to put it, she has banged her drum about a mini golf sauna & steam not in situ, put a kettle in that can be the steam, cont.



Lazy days


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put a bucket of hot coals in with a ladel that can be the sauna, put a hole in the ground and a tin can in it that can be the mini golf, how about that !!! fixed, well who put an exact spec down ??? then now, how about that pips.

this is glens fear about taking over our place in case there is someone lurking who will scupper the lot, there are no guarantees in life this includes especially builders in north cyprus, so we have to get off our wingeing ar8es and get on with it

A

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Lazy days


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PS Just read pips other post about upmarket restaurants at boaz, this explains a lot, is she a tadding SNOB peeps ?



paulgeordie


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pipe, i was refering to owners. i am informed that you are not. your coments are not helping the people who live on this site. so please out of common decency do not use my thread to make attacks on maintenance companys.



Highleygray


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14/03/2009 10:32

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Paul

A few people seem to think that it is OK to spoil the enjoyment of the many by their actions. I think they forget how many people they effect, even on a small site like ours. How many people are going to be coming over in Easter & May for a short break and will this time ruinned, we know who these defaulters are, are we likely to warmly greet them when we see them?

Please pay your maintenance fees (3 months in advance) and your shared electric bill, so we can all enjoy the site and work together to improve the site.

Individual actions will not change the attitude of the construction company etc but group action may



michael


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14/03/2009 11:14

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hi paul i see on this forum,they are doing hair extention's???

has this ever crossed your mind????



paulgeordie


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14/03/2009 12:10

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no need Mickie



paulgeordie


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How about a general meeting of turquoise bay owners or at least as many as posible then we can try to go forward with the managment co and try to resolve things.



david123


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Hi Pipie,



I know you are not happy with Turquoise bay at the moment, but can I just say one thing.



I would of thought the managment companys are told to take the fee's from the owners and do what ever work the developers want doing, and keep the place going so every time someone does not pay the others suffer.



Then the m/c cannot do the work and guess what you moan again and say the m/c is not running the site to your standards and things are not finished,

but I would of thought you want to be having a dig at the developer not the m/c there job is to keep the place running with the funds they have and if you don't pay then something suffer such as pool etc.



So my point is why don't you contact the developer instead of slagging of the m/c at every chance you have and let them do there job.



Thanks.



David



kenny b


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14/03/2009 19:14

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Hi Paul

We are over next weekend I hope that the owners see sense and take their issues up with the developer for all your sakes owners on TBV have shown that a united front and a hard working committee can achieve desired outcomes.



paulgeordie


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Kenny b, look forward to seeing you, i just hope more owners take an active part in the site. as any right minded person would agree none payment is not in the intrests of anyone conserned.



simon


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This is my first post and having read through a number of the old ones there is a recurring theme and a recurring problem/idiot. I know you cannot be personal on here so not naming names there is one person who is trying to ruin it for everyone else. If we all took their pathetic stance at Turquoise Bay and didn't pay Glencoe we'd have green rancid pools, no electric, sewage would probably be building up and overflowing. If that was what I wanted I would have bought a shed in the slums of Mumbai!!



Congratulations to Glencoe, you are doing a great job under the circumstances and please stop the water of the people that don't pay. You get these jobworths everywhere but don't let them ruin it for the majority. The sauna is an excuse. Get that and they will moan there's a lightbulb out and refuse to pay again. DROUGHT THEM OUT!!!!!!



lazza1


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14/03/2009 20:34

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Totally agree with you Simon.



Hopefully there won't be water running through all the pipies this summer.



paulgeordie


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simon, this could be a good option.disconect the water supply to only the individuals who do not pay,at least the people who are paying there dues are not the ones to suffer.



Hector


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Did someone mention a development in Mumbai? Bound to be up and coming after that film. Get in quick, you never know, India might be joining the EU. Prices might rocket. One mans slum is anothers exchange land, as they say in the trade...



BillyB


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15/03/2009 10:46

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paulgeordie, IMO all owners that pay maintenance on sites should be aware of all owners and apartment numbers that refuse to. If any non payers are using communal facilities they can be asked politely not to. As for people who refuse to pay because not all the facilities are in place yet (I have no idea if this is the case on your site) in my opinion no judge would entertain it. If 90% of facilities are in place then it would be reasonable to pay 90% of maintenance charges.



keithr


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Maintenance fees are to be used to look after what is ALREADY there and finished ! I am on a development which has nothing like what we were promised and indeed have paid for in our sale contracts. We have offered a percentage based on the amenities available,this was refused point blank by the management company. We remain in an impasse.



david123


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15/03/2009 12:42

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Hi simon,



Well said.



David



Stewart


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15/03/2009 15:52

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Not sure why anyone would pay for something in advance, they may never get?



Surely payment is due at the end of the month, once facilities have been used, not before.



Bit like paying for your electric bill before you switch on.



are the residents notified at the end of the month with a list of facilities provided, the cost of these facilities, consequently, their share due.?



Scarecrow


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15/03/2009 17:59

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As a permanent resident on Turquoise Bay, I have been hearing alot of what has been said about our site on the internet. Last summer we had three swimming pools up and running I can guarantee this as i swan in them all. At present the site is unpopulated and anyway its much too cold to bathe and has been for four months. Maybe in 8 wks time, when its warmer, by then everything will be up and running, the tennis court, basketball court, and the mini golf course will be in use. The site is looking better every week the gardens are on the way and hopefully if people who have bought on the site will pay their maintenance, more can be done sooner. Glencoe Maintenance Co, are working hard to keep the site in good condition but without the support of apt owners things will take longer. We are very happy here and like and enjoy the people who are also here, they all seem to be happy and settled. People who view the site are pleased with what they see. Try Kings Bar - Great. See for yourself.



Scarecrow


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With regards to posting number 28 - this is from Brian and Rose of Turquoise Bay.



Highleygray


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Scarecrow

Good to hear the views of another permanent resident on site - I hope your plants/garden and the new planting infront of your apartment have survived the heavy rain. We are next over at the end of May and look forward to seeing the changes.



Please everybody pay up.



Graham (B16)



lazza1


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As far as I know Glencoe control who they give credit to for the water meters and I'd be very disappointed if they gave it to non-payers of maintenance charges. It also amazes me that the people who won't pay actually have the front to ask them for anything at all. I also own a house in Spain and the non payers of community charge there (these people are everywhere) are not sent the code to enter the development. Obviously we don't have that so hold back the water until everyone's payments are up to date.



Arnold


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I have been following this thread and feel i must contribute .



Am i right in thinking that this site is the one next to TURTLE BAY ?



I have been to Turquoise bay both last year and this year with the hope of purchasing , however where it states it is a golf/spa residence this is completely misleading .



We were looking for something close to the golf course and thought Turquoise bay would have been ideal , however there are not the pools that is stated in the info we had from Estate agent .



Arnold


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Continue from previous post -

On our first visit last year we could not find the spa that was also stated in the info we were given , twelve months after our first visit , we visited again and still could not find spa facilities , we were hoping that all of the items listed on the info would now have been put in , we could not see a restaurant only a bar , we were told last year that the maintenance would be 576 per year which if all of the spa facilities and pools had been in use it would have been worth the fees , as the write up is pretty convincing .

We would have purchased if all the facilities had been in use but can honestly say we would not buy there now as they have had 12 months to improve and put things on site , which clearly they have not .

After reading these posts we will certainly not be buying as why would people want to pay 576 per year in advance for some things that are clearly not on site , no wonder there are non payers .



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Well said Arnold, a true reflection on what people think on several sites I feel and an important view from a lost potential purchaser.



Lazy days


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Peeps

it is truly amazing that Arnold has suddenly arrived, a bit like a couple of posters last year when a certain lady went quiet suddenly a new poster with no creditable details appeared beating the drum then was gone and never posted again i think this is the same again.

golf & Spa residence the golf isnt on Tuquoise bay so why should the spa??

forest golf & beach resort no golf anywhere near and forest not nearby

marina view what marina??

Need i go on



glencoe


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It may be worth while people reading the Medview post and going to page 7 of their newsletter (maintenance fees) this is exactly what we posted on our web site forum over 2 weeks ago.

Regards



griffin9870


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Perhaps Arnold suffers from a multi-personality disorder. Some-one please can you get on the case. We know how much you hate that sort of thing.



paulgeordie


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As i stated on a pre post, i am not interested in petty bickering, i only want owners on this site to make a positive contribution to this thred.



griffin9870


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Yes your right Paul, I am truly sorry and I was completely out of order. I have an apartment on Turquoise Bay. I think it is lovely, the m/c seems to be trying their best and I am just very frustrated, as I think you are.



I am also very worried that these non-payers will ruin it for everyone and that we are going to have to pay even more money for re-connection of electricity and that our fees will go up to cover the selfish attitude of others. As someone who who is all up to date it is very aggravating.



So any one who is reading this forum that has not paid or who is behind, please think about the consequences of your actions. Your disagreements are not with us, your neighbours, but with the developers. So in a short time no one will have any amenities.



When I come out in May half term I would like my children to be able flush the toilet, wash their hands, as well as play in the pool.



paulgeordie


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thank you emma, for your possitive input. im hoping to hear from more owners so we can address this situation. regards Paul



kellybelly


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paul ur the man,keep it up.



regards pete



paulgeordie


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Thanks Pete hope to see you soon.



griffin9870


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I would like to point out that a very good point was put on the glencoe website under turquoise bay by both greg and highleygray. Please check it out.



Scarecrow


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I would like to point out that another site not far from ours has similar problems and the owner has disconnected water, put concrete down the sewage pipes and bulldozed the garden walls. All because they would not pay the monthly maintenance. Does it have to come to this? If you had property back in the UK, you'd still have to pay council tax and rates so come on please pull together and pay what is due. I do not condom what has happened on the other site, so please lets not have something similar happen on our site.



Lazy days


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hello peeps,

I had a little laugh when i read the above post what has a condom got to do with it hehe

Seriously though i do agree see my other thread

A



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