kktc elections

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
13/03/2009 22:46

i have been following the elections on tv, and it looks more than likely the ubp



will be in power .old and young alike appear to be saying that the current goverment is too soft and are failing them,the talks have now failed ,they failed the minute mr christofas went behind mr talat,s back and had his little chat with mr brown.



turkey is still financing the kktc ,despite what people have been reporting ,

american president will be visiting turkey on the 6/7 april ,regarding turkey taking some sort of ambassador role as a negotiator for the middle east.



if the ubp get,s elected and it,s more than likely they will ,they will take a harder line towards the gc,s and any sort of settlement on the island,we may even have some crossings closed .

a majority of tc,s do not want any sort movement from where they are ,and they have expressed so.



what they do want is their human right to be recognised which they now see the roc as the largest obstacle,hence the ubp votes.



musin

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
13/03/2009 22:58

Absolutely Musin

Although you are not in the TRNC you have a good grasp of what is happening on the ground here.

Take care

AJ

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
13/03/2009 23:03

musin: "we may even have some crossings closed"



Where do you get that idea from? What would be achieved? And what do you think the Turkish Cypriots would say to that?

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
13/03/2009 23:05

Srangely enough I have heard this earlier on in the week from one of our good tc customer who was with a gc friend. my guess stalemate. Musim if turkey get into the EU what wil happen here. If borders are closed then what. Why should a cypriot from greek side or turkisk side have to cross borders. AJ how will his affect us all please xxx

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 00:18

I'd have thought opening the crossings is good for everyone



it may also bring the several peoples of cyprus closer together:



say about 24.999 million light years apart instead of 25 million



jaundiced, moi?

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 00:44

re msg 2



IF Musin had a good grasp of things, he'd know the crossing points will only be closed if Turkey can afford to pay the fines - as they'd be in breach of an existing ruling re impeding the rights of a TC to travel to the "south"



IF he had a good grasp, he'd know that if / when UBP win, they will HAVE to sit down with the "rump" RoC - if TR wishes it..

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 01:00

mmmm



if you had any real grasp of the cyprus situation and it,s people you would be dangerous,firstly you should read your post ,contradicting ones self in one swift move does not bear well on one.



secondly how many tc,s do you see taking turkey to court.



words ,not good enough, watch for the outcome and stop talking rubbish.



musin

long live the kktc

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 01:03

Mark

'IF he had a good grasp, he'd know that if / when UBP win, they will HAVE to sit down with the "rump" RoC - if TR wishes it..'



We will see, I do not think that even you can see life is a simple as that. There will be a whole new set of variables, and a whole new set of mountains to climb. And I think you were a little bit optimistic in your 'if/when UBP win' statement. I would delete the 'if' part if I was you.

AJ

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 01:26

mmmmmm,



why do you call the southern part the "rump roc"?

it is in fact the sole international representative of the island of cyprus



although personally I think they were silly arses not to do a deal yonks ago

when they could have got much more than would ever be offered now



and endlessly hyping up all the north's many breaches

mmmmmm's getting too big for his britches and is a load of aaaaaaaaaaa's

berkeh2001


Joined: 28/02/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 06:50

my opinion turkey will never be allowed to enter the eu personally they dont need the eu ,the eu really needs turkey but for some reason they cannot see that i am personally a ubp supporter i hope they win but turkey decides who wins in north cyprus but whateverthe out come they cant close the borders

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 08:55

Dear Musin re msg 7



I note you don't counter my points with any reasoning. You just say I contradict myself, and even then can't say why ! ;)



Only someone without a "clue" would be stating the crossing points would be closed.



I mean EVEN Berken2001 agrees with me - re the crossings ;)



re msg 10 Berkeh2001



If Turkey behaved like it WANTED to join, it's accession path would be far more advanced and the negative voices in the EU ( e.g France) have been given plenty of "ammo" as TR has tried to dictate to the EU.



You might remember the UK did that in the 60's - better to be in the club to try that rather than without..

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 08:58

Dear Andre re msg 9



If I referred to the "rump RoC" - it would be a typo ( for which I humbly apologise) ..



I hopefully typed "rump" RoC..the area where the govt exercises effective control.. it's a lot quicker to type..

Geoff


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 1370

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 10:45

Seems to me that the over-riding arguments for a settlement far outweigh the old prejudices. These are economic arguments:

1. Both sides economies are in the sh**

2.Both sides need the benefits of the offshore oil/gas

3.Both sides need water, either piped in from Turkey OR desalination using the

oil/gas, or bit of both

4.Both sides need the tourists

5.Both sides need security.

QED!

Geoff

Amber


Joined: 26/09/2008
Posts: 561

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 10:58

Sorry if this is a dumb question to some, but from the Americans point of view - would they prefer Turkey to be in the EU or not ???

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 11:14

msge 14



Hi Amber



It does seem that the US would like Turkey to join the EU and would like the process hastened. The US realises that Turkey is a massive regional player, hence the recent visit to Turkey from Hilary Clinton and the forthcoming visit from Barack Obama. The Americans as ever are pragmatic and expedient.



The EU, however expect Turkey to jump through a number of hoops before they are accepted in to the club. Of course the EU is guided by beauracratic rules and principles. Saying that they were not too fussy in allowing Bulgaria and Romania or even the ROC in joining the elite.

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 11:18

msge 1



thanks for keeping us updated Musin. Please continue to do so. I am presuming that the channel you watch is in Turkish.

Amber


Joined: 26/09/2008
Posts: 561

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 11:31

Thanks ilovecyprus,



I just wondered if Turkey was in the EU would its role towards being a negotiator to the Middle East change??

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 11:45

msge 17



I'm not sure Amber. Both the EU and US want a peaceful and democratic (democracy doesn't look achievable) Middle East, so I guess they would fully support any Turkish initiatives that support those aims.

segmen


Joined: 05/12/2008
Posts: 120

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 13:14

Hi all,

Here is my opinions:

1) Ubp will win

2) Borders will not be closed

3) Turkey will not be able to join eu

4) Cyprus problem will go forever



So all I suggest you do is just put the kettle on and sit back and relaaaaxxxx..

Huseyin

karakum5c



Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 1021

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 13:58

Msg 19--- in total agreement, to much time has passed to turn the clock back.

berkeh2001


Joined: 28/02/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 14:04

i agree with you segmen not even if pigs could fly it will never be resolved personally i want it to stay as it is only the living arrangements way

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 15:25

If pigs could fly I'd be a Squadron Leader, surely?

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 17:02

hi musin

nice to see you back with us!

i agree with you for once on the ubp will win.

free kebabs for votes, promises of money for farming they have my village brought already.

we asked our friends why they would vote them back in and the reply was they were better than this goverment. but you weren't happy with them? well no but it was better than it is now.

so i guess its already a done deal!

sorry to go off thread but have you heard anything regarding the trnc 'v' uk regarding the court case for direct flights?

i haven't heard anything from this end.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 17:53

Geoff

'1. Both sides economies are in the sh**'

Yes but the difference is the TRNC have been used to the situation for years.

Not so the GC's it is hurting them big time.



'2.Both sides need the benefits of the offshore oil/gas'

What offshore oil and gas?, nothing has been produced from the Med yet and I do not think it ever will be. But if you are talking about oil and gas pumped from ex soviet countries through Turkey then that is a different story and of course Turkey holds the trump card.



'3.Both sides need water, either piped in from Turkey OR desalination using the

oil/gas, or bit of both'

The ROC is receiving water from Greece (If they get their act together) and the TRNC have embarked on a project whereby they will receive water via a pipeline from Turkey.



'4.Both sides need the tourists'

The ROC more so than the TRNC



'5.Both sides need security.'

Both sides already have it, the ROC is in the EU and Turkey looks after the TRNC.



AJ

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 19:24

hi aj

i do believe that it would be in the cypriots best interest to work together now,as i see harder times ahead with the credit crunch.

canyavuz


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 363

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 21:52

MUSIN.....



I agree with many of your posts that you write on different topics, so just wondering.........who would you say should be elected this april?

UBP, CTP, ORP, HIS, TDP, DP ??



just wondering, to see your view



thanks

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 22:44

fire starter

'i do believe that it would be in the cypriots best interest to work together now,as i see harder times ahead with the credit crunch.'



Harder times for who? Turkey and the TRNC are much better equipped to weather the global economic crisis than any other country in the Eurozone.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 23:06

fire starter



It has ALWAYS been in the cypriots best intrests to work togeather, yet we have since becomming an independant nation singularly failed to achieve this despite it being in our best interest to do so. I hope we can do better in the future but I do not think the 'credit crunch' is going to be a determing factor one way or the other.

rocking


Joined: 05/11/2008
Posts: 421

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 23:09

Just returned from the UBP rally in Lefkosa hundreds of people there, seems as if they will win (good). I think the visit by Obama to Turkey next month could help North Cyprus - could be Turkey asks that they look at North Cyprus in a different light from the past - America is very keen to keep Turkey happy as the Prime Minister has been 'tooing and froing' re the middle east peace talks.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 23:25

It does seem to me that the TRNC is a huge political & financial thorn in the side of Turkey with regards it's progress on the world politcal stage whether EU entry or otherwise. Whether the rest of the EU is ready for a massive influx of Turkish workers is another issue especially in the current financial climate. Just how far will Turkey go to deal with thorny issue of NC? Likewise Greece. What do the 2 countries want/need that will push the politicians on both sides to reach a settlement?

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
15/03/2009 00:08

canyavuz msg 26



now how can i answer that,how far do you believe the tc,s have moved on ,the softly,softly approach,has it really worked .

ulusal birlik partisi will take a harder line ,after all what can we lose,do we have anything left too lose ,so many questions,sorry.

aj msg 24

yes both north and south economies are s..t and like you say it will hurt the south more and is ,there are many tc,s working in the south and have had their wages cut ,and more and more are been replaced by eastern europeans and others taking a lot less pay,your knowledge of cyprus is excellent .

mmmm msg 11



keep that gun pointed to the sky or wear bullet proof shoes.



musin

long live the kktc

Pasha


Joined: 05/01/2009
Posts: 7

Message Posted:
15/03/2009 00:26

The main reason CTP will be voted out is their incompetence with the economy. They have raised taxes across the board, electricity has become ridicolous, busiensses are struggling, cost of living has gone up. Making a living has simply become harder under CTP, that is why they will get a thumping.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
15/03/2009 00:31

come on, bring it all on the UBPs....................

















spider,x

ataturk


Joined: 09/09/2008
Posts: 712

Message Posted:
15/03/2009 08:56

CTP have no clue regarding the economy and PR. If you are going to confiscate greek cars coing over here and wont allow brits the right to own a greek car then give them and everyone else an incentive by saying we wont allow people on the north to own greek registered cars but we are reducing the duty on cars in the North.



The water is another one, some people on this forum have said that they have to pay for 10 tons whether they use it or not so they use it. Apart from upsetting everyone people are thinking well I might as well use it. Not very logical thinking.



Road tax on vehicles is confusing at the best of times, my tax went up 300% this year and the roads still have potholes in them and the main Girne road is at least a year behind schedule and counting.



There has been no movement on negotiations and for those of you who could read between the lines listen to this.



Talat said last year that he expected the cyprus problem to be solved within one year. cont..

ataturk


Joined: 09/09/2008
Posts: 712

Message Posted:
15/03/2009 09:01

The greek government came back saying it does not think that the cyprus problem will be solved in a year.



The ROC has stalled talks knowing that this goverment will lose at the next elections and therefore would have to deal with the hardline UBP government. Why is this you ask, very simple they know that they cannot deal with the UBP government and will then put their propaganda machine to work saying that they want a solution but that the turks dont.



The truth of the matter is this, the greeks dont want a settlement. If you had the tourism they have the development they have the financial backing they have the recognition they have, would you share it.



Think about it.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
15/03/2009 09:18

Dear Ataturk , re msg 35



WHY do you keep referring to the govt of the "rump" RoC as "Greek" and Cypriots that speak a dialect of Greek as "Greek".. ? Are you in favour of Enosis ;)?



They are CYPRIOTS - don't encourage;em to think they're "Greek".. wasn't that the "problem"?



The TRUTH of the matter is GCs DO want a settlement - and if it included the RIGHT / option to go "home" they'd probably agree...

ataturk


Joined: 09/09/2008
Posts: 712

Message Posted:
15/03/2009 11:18

mmmmmm Sorry to burst your bubble but that govt is all greek dont see any turks there. The reason i say greek or turk is that normally if you meet a greek in the uk and you tell them you are a cypriot they start talking greek. They never ask you turk or greek they assume that anybody cypriot is greek. That is one of the reasons why we are no nearer a solution the greeks count as second class citizens.



In all the greek newspapers on the south we are referred to as turks, why not cypriots.



Are you english or british just for the record.



Its touching of you to try and call us all cypriots but we are not.



http://www.mit.edu/~petros/cy_body.html



Have a look at the flags on this page and what they say next to them.



You find it really hard to stay impartial but really you are siding with the greeks and trying to fool everyone that you want a solution and that the situation is so sad.

ataturk


Joined: 09/09/2008
Posts: 712

Message Posted:
15/03/2009 11:24

For the record I will say unlike others who are a little cloak and dagger. I am happy that Turkey has annexed the north and that we can live here peacefully without having to worry about our childrens futures.



We are safe here as long as Turkey is our guarantor irrespective of what the greeks think.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
15/03/2009 11:32

Dear Ataturk , re msg 37



1/ I am sure sure'll find that GC newspapers and govt. make a CLEAR distinction between TCs and mainland Turks



2/ The RoC govt is, sadly, made up of mainly the Greek dialect of Cyprus...



3/ I'm both British and Irish..and the relevance is..?



4/ I'm siding with no-one - just putting you straight re your misconceptions.



Your link to the website of one G.Cypriot who thinks in a time warp demonstrates why you shouldn't refer to GCs as "Greek" ;)



The GREEKS.. real ones.. live in a country 300 miles to the west and would have preferred the Greek speaking Cypriots to agree to Annan and all Cypriots to enjoy the benefits of the EU !

stevemac


Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 99

Message Posted:
15/03/2009 19:09

I think the only hope for the TRNC is Rasit Pertev. He has now joined forces with the Social Democrat PArty (TDP) which hopefully will mean more MP's in parliament. UBP who were previously in power also did nothing to benefit the TRNC economy, property purchasers, etc.