mainland turks

kamaks


Joined: 03/03/2009
Posts: 123

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 17:18

We live in Istanbul and are considering moving to trnc but have heard there is a negative attitude to mainland turks.

I am british and my kids have dual nationality.

Let me know!

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 18:22

if you are not 5th generation cypriot you will be a second class citizen.

as i said to you before if you go and live in the famagusta area it would be better for you than anywhere else, as most of the mainland turkish people live in that area.

they wouldn't have a probelm with you at all.

they are the nicest bunch and so welcoming, and thats everyone i meet there when i visit family.

the whole village comes to the house to say hello, and they would do anything for us.

why not try a long holiday or a few months rental and see what you think before commiting.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 18:26

Kamaks there is some discrimination against mainland Turks in the TRNC, though it is more aimed at those that come from eastern Turkey who are seen (by some) as less educated and more religiopusly conservative than TC generally are. I do not think that 'richer' Turks from Ankara and Istambul are seen in quite the same way here by TC. Of course all of the above are generalisations which more often than not offer a very limited understanding of the reality of any situation.



The TC communites relationship to both Turkey and mainland Turks is a highly complex and often contradictory one. Over all I would suggest that your kids would not suffer any more discrimination living in the TRNC than say they would living in the UK but this is just a personal impression of mine.

karakum5c



Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 1021

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 18:33

Is it not ridiculious that we are all discussing in this day and age whether or not someone belongs in Cyprus north or south of the border.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 19:18

yes kara msg 4 live and let live

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 19:51

erolz

i think you live in a dream land.

i live with a village full of tc people all 5th generation, you need to hear what they think of turkish mainand people.

my family are not kurdish so why is it they suffer discrimination?

i recently heard of someone who is a mainland turkish guy who has waited 12 years to get a kimlik.

is that fair?

why were they never issued kochans for their houses? without a fight.

the tc's didn't mind the security of them being here but treated them as second class as they still do today.

i have tried explaining to our tc friends that most of those who they think are mainland turkish are actually, kurdish, iraqi or afghani's not turkish at all.

it is very hard to get this through to them.

anyone who is turkish comming here is better off living in an area with other turkish people,or they will suffer discrimination from the tc's.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 20:02

we had never even seen this place,sold up and came over one day,took the chance,once i had made my mind up,my thinking was if i dont like it i will try another place,A home is what you make it,and we make ours a happy one,keep positive,if you think it will not work out,Fat chance it will not work out,

people are what they are,we cant like all,if you find like minded friends you will be fine,good luck,xx







spider,

canyavuz


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 363

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 21:56

no, turkish cypriots do not have mainland turks.

There may be a few who aren't happy about mainland turks comprising of 65% of their population, but not hatred.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 22:02

RE msg 7, spider: >>> we had never even seen this place,sold up and came over one day,took the chance,once i had made my mind up,my thinking was if i dont like it i will try another place,A home is what you make it,and we make ours a happy one,keep positive,if you think it will not work out,Fat chance it will not work out, <<<



===> Finally, Well said.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 23:01

fire starter msg 6



I assure you I do not live in dreamland, but niether do I live in your village. If one was trying to find a location that would contain some of the most extreme views re 'non cypriots' then a small (rural?) village where the inhabitants have lived there for generations would be my pick. This is not however necessarily representative of TC views in general. There is some discrimination, against Turkish mainlanders and indeed any or all 'outsiders' but this is true everywhere in my view. If you talk to TC who do hold such prejudices the common complaints of 'lack of education' and 'religious conservatism' are common themes and these do apply more to some Turks than others. Just as in the UK wealthy , professional , highly educated and 'westernised' immigrants are seen differently to poorer, less educated, non professional and culturaly different ones.



Having grown up in the UK to an 'immigrant' father I have experienced and seen prejudice first hand



[cont]

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 23:03

I personally reject it in all its forms, be that in the UK or Cyprus and be the subject of it Kurds,Iraqis,Afghans, Turks, GC, Greeks, Brits, Dutch or anyone else. Except maybe the French (that IS A JOKE btw).

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 23:16

wow,thanks DC,...Not a bad spider after all.!!

One just has to try....called Have an open mind,to all and everything,...it works,















spider,x

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 23:18

karakoumi5c: "Is it not ridiculious that we are all discussing in this day and age whether or not someone belongs in Cyprus north or south of the border."



But is it any more ridiculous than suggesting a Cypriot in their own homeland should reside either north or south of an illegal "border"? Think about it...

sylvie


Joined: 12/03/2008
Posts: 1081

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 23:19

erolz,



hope you are joking ! anyway i am so little french - just for the best thing : cooking ! i am more cypriot than french that is what my husband keep saying !

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
14/03/2009 23:28

Sylvie



Yes it was a joke. I have nothing against the french as a people. Indeed my nephew and niece are half french.



To Karakoumi / Macha



We were not as far as I was concerned discussing who belongs in Cyprus or which bit they belong in. The question asked by the original poster to paraphrase 'was would my kids be at risk from negative attitudes in the North towards Turks'.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
16/03/2009 15:50

hi erolz

i also have no problem with any nationality.

my tc friends are far from uneducated and 10 mins from girne is not exacty rural.

most tc's who grew up elsewhere have no problem with turkish people or anyone else for that matter.

but the tc's who have stayed here/never left disriminate against everyone, turkish, english and also returning cypriots.

we had a conversation with one of our best friends who couldn't understand why the uk gov gives so much money,housing and health care to those who are not british?

we explained that in a democracy that is what happens.

he replied that it was wrong and we should be first in our own country.

thats why i recommended that if you were of turkish origin you would be better living in an area which is more turkish populated. hence life would be easier.