What happened to non payers

Lazy days


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Message Posted:
18/03/2009 23:05

I t seems that one management company had enough of non paying owners on there complex near tatlisu, they went in and disconnected there water and poured concrete down the sewerage pipes together with other damage, seemingly the people were warned continually but would not listen and thought they knew best.

Perhaps others will verify this is true

rowlo



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Message Posted:
18/03/2009 23:15

sounds a bit desparit , how much did they owe ?

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
18/03/2009 23:22

Who was the Management company that done this.

Lazy days


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Message Posted:
18/03/2009 23:25

Hi Peeps

seemingly it was the builder who also ran the management of the site

it was mentioned by scarecrow on the thread about Turquoise bay started by paulgeordie

A

griffin9870


Joined: 01/03/2009
Posts: 92

Message Posted:
19/03/2009 17:06

Sorry the builder did what? What exactly happened as I can't fine the thread? As far as I know Glencoe are witholding water and access to the amenities and nothing else.

Palace1


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Posts: 13

Message Posted:
19/03/2009 17:09

Hi Lazydays - Are you referring to the Sweet Homes Site in Kucuk Erenkoy?

britvic



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Message Posted:
19/03/2009 17:41

I hope this is just another rumour!

Pipie


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Message Posted:
19/03/2009 18:26

probably !!!

gooligan


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Message Posted:
19/03/2009 18:51

From what I heard the residents took the developer to court because they didn't want him to provide maintainance anymore amongst other things and they won.Following day the developer bulldozed down communal walls and threatened them they either stick with him or next time the houses get bulldozed.Only a rumour mind.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
19/03/2009 19:04

Dont we all like rumours, It makes the world tick and gets the brain going and makes us produce more rumours. I bet you all have a great time back in the UK talking over the garden fence to your neighbours and discussing what you heard in the corner shop.

Come on all of you get real. Rumours cause more damage than the truth.

gooligan


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Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
19/03/2009 19:25

AJ,I heard the story from one of the residents,I put the last part in out of politeness and didn't name the site.

How is the weather in the UK?

Pipie


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Message Posted:
19/03/2009 19:39

spot on Alsancakjack .

Palace1


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Message Posted:
19/03/2009 20:34

Not wishing to add to the rumours but I have a property on this site and can say that this problem has been brewing for ages.



There has been a split between some owners and the builder with some owners/residents wishing to set up a separate maintenance arrangement and others happy with the builder providing the service.



Regrettably due to stubborness and intransigence on both sides the situation has detiorated somewhat.



Much like the Cyprus issue itself both parties need to take a deep breath, review their position and look to a compromise arrangement.



Seeing what has gone on for the past 12 months I am not holding my breath...



Regards

Pipie


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Message Posted:
19/03/2009 20:57

Palace 1



Would owners not agree on a majority vote ona way forward ? what exactly happened ?

gooligan


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Message Posted:
19/03/2009 21:27

Pipie,read msg 9.

Palace1


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Message Posted:
19/03/2009 21:29

Not too easy to discuss in detail on the forum - but I am worried how this has escalated and apart from the damage to the site it could end up with someone getting hurt..



I fear that psoitions are now too entrenched for any compromise to be reached so I do not know what the solution or outcome will be..



Regards

neilhodgin


Joined: 28/10/2008
Posts: 256

Message Posted:
19/03/2009 21:50

the baseball bat wielding developer,came from nicosia to protect his sister in law as one of the male residents had "allegedly" grabbed her by the face,as he was some what annoyed his walls,water and sewerage had been cut. Even though he has not payed the developer for around about a year. Can't see why can you.

gooligan


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Message Posted:
19/03/2009 21:58

It's a crying shame it's got this far.Is the restaurant still open?



AJ,you may apologise anytime you like.

Pipie


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Message Posted:
19/03/2009 22:27

What restaurant ?

neilhodgin


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Message Posted:
19/03/2009 22:30

stevies bar is the restaurnt's name

Pipie


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Message Posted:
20/03/2009 00:51

Thankyou . I do hope Stevies bar is ok , he has worked hard to get a good repuation .

Lazy days


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Message Posted:
20/03/2009 02:23

Hi Peeps,

As palace 1 says he lives there & There are 2 sides to every story, lets just say it has happened and the developer holds all the aces as he still owns the land and the facilities and he was pushed too far, it will be in the papers this week so we will probably get more info, I drove round this evening with hubby and can tell you a number of walls have been knocked down lorry load of sand dumped in the middle of the road, concrete poured down sewage and they say the water has been turned off to non payers, not a nice sight, brought on by peeps who dont even live there most of the time, I spoke to one man and his wife tonight might even be you palace ? who said it was a small group of about a dozen hard liners who were unsatisfied with things but he loved his place and the fees were set very fair as far as he was concerned

Lazy days


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Message Posted:
20/03/2009 08:13

Forgot to say he also said that most of the peeps who lived on the site were happy and i dont think mess 9 is right, i dont think the owners took him to court as a group with a majority of support, i think maybe if it indeed did happen it would be a few of the villa owners who didnt accept the fact that they should have to pay any maintenance as they didn't use any of the facilities, mebbe palace could tell us more but there is more to a complex like that than a pool, they use sewers, they use the pub, thweir kids will mix with other kids and some will swim in the communal pools with there pals etc etc, I can fore see something similar happening on other sites soon

Pipie


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Message Posted:
20/03/2009 08:49

Well if other sites follow suit it will probably be the last nail in the coffin for complex sales in the TRNC . because if that happened where i owned i would certainly raise awareness to all in sundry , but i can see how things can get to that stage as some developers/M/companies will not sit down and talk to owners and thrash out concerns/issues , clearly this is what happened here .

Palace1


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Posts: 13

Message Posted:
20/03/2009 12:27

Was not me lazy days - I am not getting over there until early April and to be honest I am not looking forward to the holiday very much either - I have 2 young children and wanted the apartment to be a happy place to holiday in.



Your message 23 is pretty much spot on the majority of owners are happy with the developer managing the site (it is done by his brother who lives on site) and the fees are very reasonable.



Unfortunately we are all getting sucked into other peoples arguments and I am guessing that the site looks a real state?



Pipie re message 24 - there have been meetings held but the 2 sides are so far apart and neither wants to offer any compromise it really needs an arbitration service from people not emotionally involved but there is some chance of that happening.



Regards

Pipie


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Message Posted:
20/03/2009 13:10

PALACE 1



Tell me about it , on another site a committee is being formed with no talking to nonpayers on there reasons for nonpayment , now they need to look up how to run a committee as bieng impartial is the first rule .

non payers just want a schedule on when things will be finished , seems reasonable to me , but hey there you go . Good luck with everything anyway .

Pipie


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Message Posted:
20/03/2009 13:20

PALACE 1



Forgot to say civil courts seem to be the last step , which a few people are going that way . Hope this helps .

Isabella


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Message Posted:
20/03/2009 13:21

Maintenance payments start from when the first people take possession of their home and as each person takes possession then maintenance payments should continue to be received. If this does not happen then you will not have a site which is well maintained and it will very quickly fall into disrepair. All people purchasing on a site where their contract states that a maintenance payment has to be made should abide by their contract. You cannot pick and choose when to pay your maintenance payments.



Unfinished facilities on the site is another matter. This should be taken up separately with the company building the site.

Pipie


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Message Posted:
20/03/2009 13:43

Isabella.

I strongly disaggree .Maintenance starts when all is in situ on the complex , maintenance monies should be used for maintaining all that was promised in the contract if all is not in situ at handover then a proportion of maintenance should be paid to maintain what is already in situ , this should be calulated by amount of properties in proportion to what is up and running . That is a fair way .



If all is in situ re contract at time of handover of site then yes all maintenanace should be paid .

Palace1


Joined: 11/12/2008
Posts: 13

Message Posted:
20/03/2009 14:25

What is really frustrating here is that the site has been finished and looked great with all amenities in place. This dispute is not about the actual maintenance payments rather a small group of residents/owners wanted to run the site themselves rather than use the builders brother...



Additionally compared to many of other sites our maintenance payments are really reasonable as well??

Isabella


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
20/03/2009 14:37

If the maintenance payments are reasonable and the company is doing a good job what a pity this small group are spoiling it for everyone else. There are always owners who will think it gives them power to run the site. Usually such people after a while lose interest and possibly leave the site.

Sandcastle


Joined: 16/03/2009
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Message Posted:
20/03/2009 15:49

Do maintainance companies have a legal right to re-coup their losses from non payers? Or can they make other owners make up the shortfall?

Lazy days


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Posts: 847

Message Posted:
20/03/2009 16:22

Hi Peeps

anybody who follows these things knows only to well that pips is one of the peeps who is determined to bring everything down look over all her threads and responses to threads she is totaly unreasonable and i for one will fight her all the way, listen to this THIS IS NOT YOUR COUNTRY ENGLAND it is there country her mess 26 again points strait to where her family owns a apartment and she singlehanded tried to bring it to its knees, just like a few on palaces site, her words it might have to hit rock bottom before it gets better.

Mess 29 pips is wrong, if you sign hand over doc you are accepting things and that is fact, did you sign pips, direct answer if you can but i dout it, civil court wont entertain you but your advocate will take you money

Isabella you are so right mes 28 evrybody read this.

Sandcastle management coys have a legal right, unless owners have their kocan, to collect fees and penalties we have checked it with very high legals in TRNC & its true

griffin9870


Joined: 01/03/2009
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Message Posted:
20/03/2009 16:27

Pipie you just can't help yourself can you. This is site that has nothing to do with you but yet again you hijack a post. What has happened on this site is nothing like what is happening on Turquoise Bay. Everything does not involve you and you do not need to involve yourself in everything.



What has happened here is terrible for everyone, have a little sympathy.

Lazy days


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Posts: 847

Message Posted:
20/03/2009 16:32

Pips

please also read mess 25 peeps who dig there heels in are ruining it for evrybody else and i for one hope they get evrything that is coming to them your mess 26 stinks as you were one of them that wanted a comitee, and now they are trying to get one but you are not happy you have not been asked to join it probably because they read your posts they decided they didnt want your input and as you were a none payer they didnt think you were worthy of inclusion and any way your place is for sale so you had not got the sites best interests at heart

Your mess 24 you have been doing that for a long time trying to stir up bad feeling against a maintenance company just because they put your noes out of joint, and they have been proved right to do it as again in this thread you hi jack it you deserve to lose lots lady but you neighbours dont, i have also been reading up on your posts on seaterra and its basically the same attacking peeps for no reason, when will you stop ??

ladyluck


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Message Posted:
20/03/2009 17:01

So I take it from this that Medview have no right to tell owners that they will have to pay the shortfall caused by non paying owners as it is up to Medview as the maintenance company to collect these fees and all costs incurred in their collection?

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
20/03/2009 17:24

NO the non-payers should be bought to task!!! but not at the expense of the owners paying



Do something about them - there is one company I have heard that is bleeeting and whinging they have loads of non-payers on a site and yet done nothing about it !! or have they got that many non-payers who knows because they don't show their accounts !



But then again total service MC are responsible for the collection of that money - no good monaing about it if you have not tried to collect it



Lets face it there are some crap management companies and there are some good ones - why should you tolerate the bad ones do something about it get rid of them, mind you some onwers can't see the end of their noses or whats in front of them to know whether they are good or bad and being ripped off.......... but they will!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Regards

Sandcastle


Joined: 16/03/2009
Posts: 215

Message Posted:
20/03/2009 17:49

At the moment Medview are collecting it and chasing the non payers. But according to their news letter, as from next year, all the paying owners will have to pay for the shortfall from their own pockets.

sienna


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Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
20/03/2009 17:57

I would tell them were to go then and just pay my share



CHASE the non-payers what are they doing about them they wouldn't have a leg to stand on if you just paid your share, but then again we are not talking about a reasonable person are we !

Pipie


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Message Posted:
20/03/2009 19:06

palace 1

That is so sad ,shame if all was up and running .i do hope all pans out ok , just as a matter of interest how much is the maintenance ? and what amenieties do you have ?

Palace1


Joined: 11/12/2008
Posts: 13

Message Posted:
20/03/2009 20:19

We have a great communal pool, a fantastic restaurant on site, Stevies Bar, all the roads completed with lighting etc and connected electric. The development was kept spick and span and it really helped having the developers brother on site as he was always available to try and lend a hand in case of any problems.



The site is in a fantastic location with it's own private bit of shingle...



The annual figure was, I believe £40 per month although we paid 12 months in advance so I cannot remember the exact figure.



As a family we were absolutely delighted with the purchase and have enjoyed 4 holidays in the past 12 months lets hope in the future things can get back to normality??

Pipie


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Message Posted:
20/03/2009 20:27

Cheers Palace1 . I wish you good luck .

neilhodgin


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Message Posted:
20/03/2009 20:49

Hi palace1,(stuart)



You will have to let me know how the site looks when you come back from your easter break,we where over just before all this happened,they where capping the sewerage,while we where there,and was told the walls would be next!! It should not effect us to much,as long as they clear the mess away.I can't understand, £40 a month is not expensive. I hope it does'nt effect steveies trade.

sienna


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Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
20/03/2009 22:13

Having read all through this again I cannot believe all of those that accept the actions of the builder/maintenance company - bulldozing down walls putting cement down the sewerage system etc it shows the lack of total respect for payers & non-payers alike and proves that builders/maintenance companies really believe that 'owners' are just their to line their pockets and see them as their tenants ! it happens all too often over there and it has to stop ! they are nothing more than bullies



It also proves by throwing your dolly out of your pram in this way the 'small number of discontented' owners have probably got their blinkers off and can see things that are not right and acted on it - rather than 'spoiling it'e for all the other owners '

If the MC /developer did this I would say it shows their tru colours and the discontented few probably had their card marked! you cannot have unprofessional volatile companies running YOUR SITES !!

Palace1


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Posts: 13

Message Posted:
20/03/2009 23:48

Hi Neil - We will happily let you know the extent of the damage when we get back...



Sienna - you appear to have completely missed the point - this extremely disturbing situation has been caused by BOTH parties intransigence, stubborness and refusal to compromise. It is far too simplistic to solely blame the developer or maintenance company and neither is it fair for the minority few to withhold payment and let things get to the stage where we are now at especially for the majority who have paid their fees.



Do you own a property on this site and have you been privy to ALL of the goings on for the past 2 years? If not then you are making your unhelpful comments based purely on gossip and guesswork neither of which are a reliable basis to comment...

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
20/03/2009 23:53

hi peeps

Sienna & pipie you have lots to learn, this isnt about the many happy people on complexes this is about a few stubborn peeps like you who are out to spoil it for all, these peeps seem to think it is ok to disrupt everything cause they dont think it is there place to pay maintanence, we are allright joe we got our own pads and why should we contribute, well wakey wakey peeps you have to contribute cos you use the sewage you use the roads you use the other facilities as said previously and your not being robbed as we se it at the prices charged, bet the other peeps on sweet homes are fuming as much as palace 1 because this ridiculous situation is brought on by nuts who would be better off joining a picket line on the coal face

Sienna tell us how to prevent this happening, what do you mean lack of total respect? 1 year on it happened after many warnings, 90% were happy till this kicked off and the discontent few should be just that a discont FEW, nuff said

sienna


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Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
21/03/2009 08:08

Lazy days you havent got a clue matey do not state facts about ME when you no nothing about me so I suddenly become a non-payer in your eyes get out of here you you don't know that as fact and is totally incorrect - so shut up!



If you accept that the developer can do this whatever has happened you are the NUTNUT but then from your outburst and attacks on here everyone knows that and no I dont own on there but it is still unacceptable to take this course of action if every site took this view on non payers the place would be flatten



Re-read my post I said that payers should not suffer because of the non-payers bullbozing the place down helps does it - really you are a complete

idiot lazy days . !!

sienna


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Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
21/03/2009 08:17

Palace 1 you guys that tell half a story get the comments you get start your own forum andt ake it out of public domain if you don't wnat others to comment simple mate!



I havent missed the point you cannot go around bulldozing things down and throwing your dolly out the pram you have to find a solution NO MATTER WHAT.



So somone doesn't pay their money they owe in the UK someone comes along and blocks your toilet with cement and knocks half your house down NOOOOOO they recover the debt owed



It matters not what the story is you cant for the sake of the PAYERS go around doing this - what you are saying this is right that all should suffer for a few but perhaps what I am saying as I don't know the story is that the few may know more than you and yes I am on the PAYERS side - I cannot abide non-payers . (take note lazy days)

there is obviolsy more to this than meets the eye as usual the fullstory is only know to those that own there but it still doesnt make actions taken right!

Lazy days


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Posts: 847

Message Posted:
21/03/2009 08:55

Hi peeps,

Steph, calm down lets get this straight once and for all YOU ARE NOT IN UK this is there country, and yes it has happened in UK too so dont kid yourself.

another thing peeps dont seem to get a grasp of and this is also a fact the builder/developer OWNS THE LAND AND PROPERTIES ON IT till he/she passes over a kocan and can do just about anything he/she wants, i do not condone it but it is a fact that you have to accept if it upsets peeps like you thats life but all the talk on here will not change it

your last sentence mess 47, i dont think they bulldozed the place only the non payers bits

and after talking to peeps on there i think i know a little more than you and most were happy and think the non payers brought it on themselves after peeps lost patience, a lot of brits think they can change things to what they want but the locals will only be pushed so far i fear

so how would you sort the non payers given that there is little the courts can do

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
21/03/2009 09:29

Lazy days I am fully aware of how it works over there trust me.!! I am fully aware how difficult the legal system is



Non-payers on sites or limited numbers can be achieved when you have the right Management Company a good committed committe and build a community with the developers good wishes



However what you have on a lot of sites is Developer and MC thinking they are the owners. Yes technically they are the owners of the land but they have signed a contract and sold the aparments so they should leave it to the Committee and an independant MC to run the site, it can and does work.



So who do you think will pay for the damage done on the site it wont be the non-payers will it still not the right way to tackle it.



You can change things so you are wrong lazy days ! it has been done



Have a nice day lazy days !



Regards

redtom


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Posts: 116

Message Posted:
21/03/2009 09:34

Lazy days

are you the same person that tried your upmost to bring down the management company at another site ?

Pipie


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Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
21/03/2009 09:55

From what i can gather here relating to this issue on Palace 1 site is more to do with who was running the site some owners wanted tham to stay some wanted them to go obviously there was no committee who arranged a vote on a majority decision or maybe they did and the owners did not adhere to it .

Ther a two sides to every story .



There is no excuse for this behaviour and is certainly will not encourage buyers when they see potential problems that can occur when buying into community living .



The culture of bullying/threatining will continue until all say no to this .



Yes we know it is not UK but it is a majority of UK money that is funding the builds and as this fast runs out tactics will try and get nastier , and how many people want to belong to a bullying culture .



The most awful thing about all of this is brits turning on one another no one should agree to this behaviour it is downright criminal .

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
21/03/2009 10:27

OWNERS have to make these MC's & developers understand by forming a committee building a community and an obligation from ALL owners that they will not be ripped off, fobbed off or takenfor a a ride, we all need to take control of our investments as best we can but will not be over ridden like this. These are not timeshares they are your properties I know it doesntfeel liek it at times but just battel on through!



It is mainly bad Management Companies on sites that have no regard or respect to owners that cause the problem work together and you will achieve!



Once a few more sites have effective MC and are running well and stop their greed but can see they can still make a good living from it we will all be better for it



Right nice sunny day off to walk the dog !



Regards

Isabella


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
21/03/2009 11:01

Sienna - why blame the management company on this issue. Apparently the management company were doing a sound job and the majority of owners were very happy with them.

david123


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Posts: 393

Message Posted:
21/03/2009 11:16

Hi all,



Once again if the non payers paid then none of this would happen.



You don't go into a supermarket and put the goods into a trolley then walk out and have a think if you are going to pay for them.



So the point is pay up then maybe everything will start working, but why should the m/c do this if you are not prepared to pay.



One more point the m/c are asked to collect these fees, then do what ever they can by the developer so for all of you slagging off the m/c take a look at yourself because you look so stupid.



Please read msg 54... WHY BLAME THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY.



Thanks.



David

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
21/03/2009 11:35

You don't get it obviously so Isabella you are condoning Knocking down walls etc etc non payers have to be dealt with in a a different manner first trying asking for the money I knwo of a certian MC that moans that money doesnt come in but hasn't even chased it!??????



If the MC have been employed to collect theirsfees then yes it is the managements fault if they haven't managed There are otherways other than bulldozing ! it is ultimately YOU the payers that will pay the price



You think the MC are doing a good job on your site but some don't you would be happy for them to bulldoze some of it down then yes ! then who pays for the rectification works the non-payers dont think so .........

penny dropped yet - yes the PAYERS all becasue the so called good MC couldn't get the money in ! hmmm thats why I blame the management company they have now made a bad situation worse and you cant get away from that fact



No who looks stupid !? think about it

Pipie


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Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
21/03/2009 12:42

David



you said





You don't go into a supermarket and put the goods into a trolley then walk out and have a think if you are going to pay for them



Exactly , so why should owners be expected to pay full maintenance when they have not got all of the goods in the trolley , meaning if all amenieties are not on site , so why expect owners to pay full maintenenece , when they have not got all what was promised .



Are owners surpose to just pay up with no question .



David You said



So the point is pay up then maybe everything will start working, but why should the m/c do this if you are not prepared to pay



don't you think that before you ask owners to pay there should be some assurances on a time schedule that not only present facilities are up and running but promised ones are put in situ also .



David , management have to talk to non payers not continualy threaten .bully if they are not capable of negotition , then this will not get non payers paying .

think

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
21/03/2009 15:04

I take it that this is story, front page of Cyprus Today - Sweet Homes, Tatlisu. If not it was with same issues.



As an indepandent reading this story it sounds so like several others around where the builder, management company etc use the divide and rule principal. What I mean by that is the company will target individuals and cause them hassle in the hope they can persude the others to do as they are told. In fact what should happen is the "owners" all work together, and stand together against the company.



In fact what always happens is at least two disparate groups form and in the end everyone looses out. I know it is hard cos some are here and the rest are scattered to the four winds but if you do not work together you will potentially loose the lot.



If not already done the owners must form a group and work with HBPG to see what you can achieve, even forming own web site where those not involved cannot chip in with there anecdotes, whinges and moans.



Good luck

sienna


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Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
21/03/2009 15:26

exactly cyprusishome my point entirely !!



What some management companies do is groom a group to their way of thinking in other words load the bullets and then watch the owners fight amongst themselves - divide and rule!!!!

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
21/03/2009 16:09

This is exactly what is happening , as some owners cannot see the wood for the trees .

I for one can verify this , MANAGEMENT & DEVELPOPER refuse to communicate , now i am not by myself there are others in the same situation ,of course we want the site to flourish of course we want to contribute , but not under threats of withholding water , court action , and other bullying tactics , we have even been refused access to talk with the newly formed commitee , we have had no response from E-mails , so we have done all of we can do to try and go forward , we are not unreasonable , we have done all in our power to try and go forward .

Just read mes 33 , this is the sort of people we are up against , what does that post say about sitting down and talking things through , it shows a person who is on the way to ruin a site not help



We are a family that have purchased other property one on another complex , where we pay with no problems our fees in advance as all is in situ there .

Isabella


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
21/03/2009 17:35

Isn't it interesting how a situation where a site is now completed and people are refusing to pay their maintenance, although everything on the site is up and running, with a good maintenance company and they signed to say that they would pay maintenance, is now turned around and the blame is now put on all the other owners, plus the maintenance company - amazing.

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
21/03/2009 17:40

Isabella .

Is this directed to me mes 61 ?

Palace1


Joined: 11/12/2008
Posts: 13

Message Posted:
21/03/2009 18:16

My final comment on this issue..



No one condones the actions taken by the builder it is an extreme over reaction.



In my opinion a number of residents living there full time wanted to run the site themselves as they were probably a bit bored and had time on their hands.



The initial maintenance of the site was not up to UK standards but I was ok with this as

david123


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 393

Message Posted:
21/03/2009 18:19

Hi Pipie,



My point was with the supermarket, is that you bought the apartment knowing you would have to pay fees.



Yes maybe everything is not working but maybe all the non payers should pay then the m/c could get on with it, instead of having to get slagged off because they cannot do there job without the funds.



Also maybe these non payers should take the probs up with the developer not the m/c.



m/c spend more time defending themselves from people like you who are bitter from the start towards them instead of trying to keep all the non payers happy.



Put it this way think youself lucky that they are only going to cut off the water, because if it was me I would fix lockable security shuters to the doors and windows until all fees were up to date bet you would pay up then because you would not even be able to access you apartment during your holidays.



Thanks.



David

Palace1


Joined: 11/12/2008
Posts: 13

Message Posted:
21/03/2009 18:23

Continued...



I have always viewed NC as somewhat 3rd World.



The developer brother lives on the site and it was intended that his job was to be in charge of the maintenance and his wife was hoping to do some cleaning of the villas to generate some extra income. Some of the residents started offering this work themselves which upset the brother and his wife and so the problems between them started...



The work on the site has been much improved this past year and the site was looking fantastic.



I believe that the majority of the residents were happy with the existing arrangements but obviously some of the residents were not.



I always felt uncomfortable about the prospect of removing the developers brother as this was his sole income and also his home and I have viewed myself and family as being guests in their country.



The fees are reasonable as previously stated.



If the majority of the residents voted to go to tender to replace the builder as maintenance contractor .

Palace1


Joined: 11/12/2008
Posts: 13

Message Posted:
21/03/2009 18:29

Continued..



I would support this.



In my opinion this is not about a bad management company as some of the people on this forum keep suggesting to, it is a build up of mistrust over a period of time that has come to an unpleasant head.



What is correct is the divided camp - certain people will not speak to you if you are in the "wrong" camp and thereis an unpleasant atmosphere on the site.



As I have previously stated the only way it can resolved for Everyones sake is by communication - the developer wants his money and in my opinion there is not any reason why this has been withheld as previously stated the site is (was) great.



My solution would be for the monies to be paid a 12 month contract agreed and then when things have calmed down a vote can be taken.



Does anyone else have any HELPFUL suggestions?



Thanks

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
21/03/2009 18:32

Well there you go David very compromising attitude i must say !!!!!!

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
21/03/2009 18:49

oh dear oh dear oh dear,

here is someone who lives on the complex telling things like they are and peeps living in other places calling him a liar or whatever, the peoblem is that as palace said mess 65 the peeps started offering the maintenance theirselves, BLACK LABOUR and you all say this is OK wakey wakey its time for them to fight back against this black market and i back them fully, heres my bit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mess 63 bored peeps now we are getting to the point nothin to do with the builder/developer being bad just brits being greedy and thinking they can do better thereselves, lets see how many of them ACTUALLY give and recieve proper receipts for things done, mebee we should start naming and shaming the black workers who are trying to run complexes then we might get someplace, but that would be too embarrassing, mebee i will make that my crusade what say you pips

redtom mess 51 explain please because i think you are getting very mixed up.

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
21/03/2009 19:21

nuff said !!!!!!

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
21/03/2009 19:40

Now then peeps

this has got me thinking, the developer / builder says he wants these people to have a proper legal company to run these things and pay there taxes then he wont have problems, well then does this mean that the comitee lads will have to form a company in order to run their own complex, but then again if they take on a company in TRNC if it is local owned it does not have to be registered properly so money can go missing no problem then its back to sq one mess 65 says it all really brits being greedy and taking the bread out of the locals mouth, mess 66 being in the wrong camp is one thing that you will never fix specially with peeps who only see their side of things nuff said right enuf !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
21/03/2009 22:16

My last post on the subject - thank god you all cry !!!! to Palace1 I think you should hold those thoughts in your last post as the way forward on your site.



I hate to read your words that you are not looking forward to your next visit for fear of what is there and that there are bad vibes on the site - just for that alone the MC need to shape up or move out use your heads not your hearts. (this is your investment) would youtokerate this normally, NO - do not let others ride rough shod over you. and lastly I wish you well and I most sincerely hope you get it sorted I am on your side.



Lazydays please talk in English and get off your crusade at attacking Pipie at every turn its boring me yawn ! peeps this peeps that, it is BORING !

david123


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 393

Message Posted:
22/03/2009 00:34

Hi Sienna,



Why don't you read msg 54.



Until certain people did not pay because of the credit crunch the others jumped on the train, the m/c which keeps being put down was doing a great job and is always being told how good they are doing now ple are not paying they cannot do there job and one certain person jumps at the chance to slag them off.



Also everything you have said towards lazydays about being boring,I find most of your posts on this thread very boring and very like Pipie maybe you are the same person.



Thanks.



David

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
22/03/2009 08:45

oh david123 no I am not the same person but then you are so far up another MC *** aren't you most of your posts are to advertise them not that I have anything whatsoever against Glencoe and if you yourself have half a brain Good MC's including Glencoe would not condone the action of bulldozing ! I know Glencoe have taken action against non-payers and named & shamed good on them at least theyhavent bulldozed anythign down



Maybe you and lazydays are the same peeps nuff said!

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
22/03/2009 09:11

btw forum admin as david123 & Lazydays are now going off subject and I am now having to defend myself from their ususal attacks when they don't like something maybe this has run its course !



Why cant they be told to stick to subject !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!and stop diggin people out they obviously have a vendettta against pipe It seems anyone doesnt agree with what they are saying they try there put downs - I was even a non-payer at one point on this thread ! Ha! laughable



Regards

david123


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 393

Message Posted:
22/03/2009 11:01

Hi Sienna,



Sorry did not know it was against the law to recomend m/c.



And as for the brain thing, read the post's muppet I have not said once about bulldozing someones property.



Also the Pipie thing, think she has a vendetta against the m/c.



Did you start this thread?



No I don't think so, so I suggest you go and sit somewhere on your own and bore yourself.



Thanks for the sleepy time.



David

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
22/03/2009 11:06

See what I mean pathetic !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



you should have been a stick of rock they too have their names going through their middle - what does yours say glenco !!!!



yawn yawn yawn time zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

sorry you have sent me to sleep

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
22/03/2009 11:51

I read these posts wıth ınterest ı fear for your sıte as to many people are arguıng and bıckerıng you need to be pro-actıve and stıck together as one, the ones that have paıd that ıs. I am currently ın the TRNC havıng completed at Olıve Grove ın Lapta a Santa-Fe development. The apartments are fınıshed but the pool ıs empty and the gardens knee hıgh wıth weeds. Out of 28 owners 10 have paıd ınıtıally the maıntenance was due to start sept.08 ı met wıth hım as ı thought thıs was unfaır as the sıte was not complete he agreed to start jan09 ınstead. I agree you should not have to pay untıl you take possessıon but you cannot expect hım to brıng the communual facılıtıes up to scratch before that ıt does not happen here, the usual quote ' Thıs ıs Cyprus ' routıne. You are over

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
22/03/2009 11:58

cont.

Furthermore ı have suggested to the maıntenance manager on our sıte you make a note of owners names and apartment numbers and the post them through peoples doors to name and shame or charge 10% late payment ınterest each month. No money = no facılıtıes and a garden that ıs overgrown. The management company owner on our sıte seems a decent genuıne guy who ıf you treat wıth respect wıll help you wıth any ıssue or problem. He just wants to be paıd then he wıll brıng the sıte up to a hıgh standard but why should he do ıt from hıs own pocket?

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
22/03/2009 12:17

please please please peeps,

Dont please think i am anything to do with this david mess 73 i do not know him from adam and dont agree with everything he says it just so happens that i defended a certain maintenance company which was unfairly (imho) being attacked by one person and this david also seems to think they are ok as have others on this board, but Sienna your attacks are unwarranted and this was my thread so maybe you should back off and start you own thread to let of steam,

no matter what we english think or say about the actions of this particalar builder/developer it is not going to change anything it has been done and i fear there will be more of the same if all english take the same approach

as i said before it is there country and if we treated them with more respect we would prob have a lot less stress, it is too early to make them think like more advanced countrys imho

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
22/03/2009 13:30

EXCUSE me lazy days I am not going to sit by and be accused by you as a non-payer look back at your postings ! so no my attacks are not unwarrented do not try and twist this to be poor you being got at when you actually started degraging the purpose of the thread and quite frankly accused me of being a non-payer when you know nothing about me ! so the steam will come your way when accused of an inaccuracy



No good bleating poor me poor me now mate! you are wrong and contradicting yourself you are saying Glencoe are good (I have no reason to think otherwise) then you are saying it is too early to change. read blackpoolfans post stop snipping and work together for a solution



Why dont you actually read what we are saying we are nearly on the same side if it wasnt for these stupid fantasies you have about people and making stuff up in your own head you might acutally get somehere as said there are some good MC's out there and it can be acheived wihtout bulldozing your way through

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
22/03/2009 16:23

Lazy Days, Sıenna

Just playıng devıls advocate here put your dıfferences asıde and work together to achıeve your aım whıch ı presume ıs to have an apartment that ıs useable and nıce snag free and maıntaıned to a good standard. Sometımes belıeve me ıts not easy you have to bıte the bullet and move on treat the people of the TRNC wıth respect be them Turkısh, Brıtısh or otherwıse. As someone who has 4 apartments ı have been here before and ıt ıs not what you know ıts who you know!! Agree to dısagree and move forward because ıf the sıte management walks away you are back to square one then what do you do? You wıll look to portıon blame go round ın cırcles and stıll end up at 1st base More money, tıme, and stress............

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
22/03/2009 18:30

Sorry Sienna,

Now its my turn to attack

you talksome unadulterated KRAP point out some specifics where i accused YOU of anything you are reading things same as pips nobody accused you but you have got selective reading mentality sorry but you need to quote specifics as to what posts i ACTUALLY accused you of anything mess 46 said stubborn peeps LIKE you didnt say YOU get on your bike MATE and learn about this big Bad world you will not change it sitting typing behind a keyboard in england trying to be big shot come out here and lets see you stand up to the local builders and developers you wouldnt last 5 seconds MATE

This thread was started by me to highlight what a developer did FACT

and i tell you something now MATE it hardens my resolve to battel peeps like you all the way and see you suffer because you deserve all that comes your way

sorry blackpool there is noway i could EVER work with peeps like that but your last sentence is true.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
22/03/2009 18:37

You need help lazy days lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll nice post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
22/03/2009 18:49

blackpoolfan no problem I have all you describe thank you ! all I was ever doing was trying to tell you others how to achieve it but obviously they don't want to listen so I will adopt the attitude of I am alright Jack because yet again lazydays hasn't a clue about me it is all fantasy on her behalf



I don't just sit in the UK typing all this I have done a lot and achieved a lot and I have a nice apartment thank you very much with a good management company so shows much she knows. fact not lazdays fiction



lazydays knows jack *** and everyone should not to take any notice of the rants from this person lolllllllllllllll still laughing 'battel peeps like me' there is nothing to battle it is all in her head ha!

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
22/03/2009 18:50

o dear o dear

is this the limit of your debating skills very like someone else we all know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am waiting for your specific dedails of what i ACTUALLY accused YOU of

please please reply ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

or are you like your pal no direct answers ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Your mess 71 your last post on the subject HA HA HA just like pips she says the EXACT same but cant help herself HA HA HA

again i say this was my thread if you want to be derogatry start your own one

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
22/03/2009 19:06

Lazy days ,

There is no way in a million years you would get on with a builder /developer /anyone with the attitude and rubbish that you spout out , what on earth is wrong with you , you have the most aggressive attitude on this board totaly out of control , and this is all sitting behind a screen .

Maybe you have bigger probs than any of us . only time will tell .

This is a board where there is freedom of speech and a code of conduct .

All you do is threaten and i quote some of your words .''you deserve all that comes your way'' I will fight you all the way ''

This is not the response from someone who is debating , this is from someone who clearly is clear set on threatning ,attacking and dictating so i ask you lazy days what is your true reason for all of this i ask you now let us see if you are man or woman enough to tell us of your mission .

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
22/03/2009 19:12

perhaps he/she is into cyber bullying lol how very very sad - now this really has gone of subject where are the forum admin people, they have closed down other threads b4 now !!!!



Pipie now you know lazydays is fasinated by you are just fueling her fire of hatred passion now.



BTW I see on the mothers day thread you went out for the day did you have a nice time !

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
22/03/2009 19:21

Sienna , i had a fab time thanks .



Re L/D this i need to get out in the open as it has gone far enough , everyone knows my problems with one complex , I have no maintenance money issue with our other purchase paid up in advance , and the villa purchase has gone plain sailing so to speak .

who are you lazy days , what is your mission ?

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
22/03/2009 19:22

AW dear hugs n kisses xxxxx

so its all right for some but not for others xxxxx

just learning my trade from those that never answer direct questions xxxx

still waiting for you sienna to put me right what exactly did i accuse you of ???

Pips you neveeeeeeer answer direct questions

But this is my LAST post on my own thread which was started because i know what is going on here not guesswork

now you can both have the last word!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
22/03/2009 19:30

lolll your thread do you own it No you start a thread for others to join in get real



I have no intention of answering a ridculous question all there to read for yourself

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
22/03/2009 19:36

Lazy days .

I say you have more to do with a certain M/C than you care to own up to and this is what they do folks threaten, dictate , attack rule and divide owners . But only for a short time till all get wise , just a waiting game here .