capital punishment thank god no more

ian444


Joined: 14/01/2009
Posts: 71

Message Posted:
19/03/2009 00:30

capital punishment does anyone still believe in it.





http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article5931869.ece

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
19/03/2009 00:36

What about Ian Huntley or Peter Sutcliffe or Ian Brady or The Krays or any other lowlife languising at her maj,s pleasure.





or are they innocent as well

ian444


Joined: 14/01/2009
Posts: 71

Message Posted:
19/03/2009 00:53

turtle





agree nothing wrong with the judicial taking of life if you are 100% correct; problem is , as this case shows you never can be.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
19/03/2009 01:00

Ian, I think this case all hinged on DNA no.....

We now have DNA and a whole host of modern techniques of investigation and means of guilt finding.



is that not enough ?

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
19/03/2009 01:08

I think this case will probably open a floodgate. It is anticipated that lots more falsely incarcerated prisoners will be freed in the light of the type of DNA testing now available. Let's hope that no others will be falsely imprisoned. I watched on the news tonight footage of the man's release. He's 57 but could easily be taken for someone 15 years older.



J

smithy


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 5301

Message Posted:
19/03/2009 08:24

Yes

I agree if DNA Proves 100% that they are Guilty then Capital Punishment should be bought back and Stricter Sentences for Child Molester/Paedophiles etc. People (or animals) like Ian Huntley should not be sitting in a prison where we pay their upkeep

Sheila (smithy)

frontalman



Joined: 28/02/2008
Posts: 499

Message Posted:
19/03/2009 09:00

So maybe Gary Robb is innocent after all!

sharky


Joined: 18/03/2009
Posts: 11

Message Posted:
19/03/2009 08:57

sheila: I agree totally with your comments and I would also suggest that what is wrong with D.N.A. testing at birth ? since we already give other tests such as blood tests etc. Although I've no doubt the human rights brigade will jump up and down. But I'm sure it would reduce serious crime significantly

smithy


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 5301

Message Posted:
19/03/2009 09:17

Sharky, what a great idea to do the DNA at Birth. I was watching a programme the other night where you can buy on line a DNA testing kit to take your children's swabs/fingerprints etc just in case the unthinkable happens you have them ready I know it sounds morbid but the swabs if put in the fridge lasts up to 20 years. It made me sit up and think, even mentioned it to my Sons to think about it.

Sheila (smithy)

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
19/03/2009 15:45

Keep capital punishment.



You have speed limits on the roads and fines for breaking them - it is a deterent only! Quote me any other law and you will find that it is a simple deterent.



Capital punishment is a deterent - when was it last used in the UK?



It is a bit like the ultimate nuclear weapon, we have them but we have not used them - BUT WE COULD! Capital Punishment - BUT WE COULD!

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
19/03/2009 15:57

I agree with smithy message 6. If, beyond all reasonable doubt they are guilty then do the necessary.



Sharky I agree with you about dna testing at birth. However the old pc brigade will put a stop on that one. Against Human Rights and all that....

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
20/03/2009 00:10

So...........what do we do with Josef Fritzl then ?

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
20/03/2009 00:12

He should be executed. A vile Man.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
20/03/2009 00:26

waddo

Capital punishment is not a deterrent, it is retribution. Capital punishment has never stopped people committing murder. Look at the Middle East, their punishments do not stop people from committing crimes. Punishment is a form of atonement and although it makes the aggrieved feel better it does not solve the core problem.

AJ

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
20/03/2009 00:59

msg 12xand 13 i have been following this case all week and lo and behold he changed his mind when hearing his daughters evidence. Now he is guilty on all counts and taken to a physiatric hospital to ensure his safety. I have a feeling that he may commit suicide. That poor girl and he children have to live with his sins. The blue shield he had all week will not take those away. I know every mind is different but what parent could do this and produce offsprings . It beggars belief. A family torn apart because of a depraived mind. xxx

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
20/03/2009 09:29

AJ,

Call it what you will - capital punishment is a penalty for breaking the laws that humans have made. In the USA some states have it and some states don't but statistically those that do have less "capital" crimes than those that do not.

In the middle/far east most capital crimes are crimes of passion or honour, these should not be viewed in the same way as capital crimes in christian countries - religion plays a large part in some countries.

The ultimate crime calls for the ultimate penalty and always has done. If the idea that you can incarcerate a criminal for 60 years of mental torture and physical restriction appears more humane than a swift and painless payment then so be it, get rid of capital punishment.