Talat meets Clinton to the annoyance of

dodger



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Message Posted:
23/03/2009 12:08

http://news.google.com/news?q=TALAT+AND+CLINTON&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&oe=utf8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&ei=nF3HSdLsLsLK-AaqyNT3Cg&sa=X&oi=news_result&resnum=1&ct=title



Dummies out the pram again from the greeks.

Tiggy


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Message Posted:
23/03/2009 14:59

What's the problem....Is dialogue not a good thing. Two sides too every story must be heard.



Paper says: "U.S. Greek groups seek to prevent the visit from taking place".



I was under the impression the Greeks had nothing to do with the Island since they got booted out in 1974.

juliet


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Message Posted:
23/03/2009 15:06

Lot of BIG IFs dodger.......

dodger



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Message Posted:
23/03/2009 15:26

Juliet,

Please expand,

Paul.

andre 514


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Message Posted:
23/03/2009 15:29

can't really see any particular diplomatic problem,

talat would obviously be arriving as a private individual

and this is hardly likely to rate as a state visit



I would have thought a meeting with hilary clinton might

even help the "talks" along, if it is still possible to salvage them



I can't comment on some of the more picturesque

conspiricy theories but turkey itself is a vital and reliable american ally,

was during the cold war and has been indispensible ever since



in fact both america and israel have in the past offered

to help turkey with it's now-stalled eu membership application:

did I hear "kiss of death" from anyone?

Tiggy


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Message Posted:
23/03/2009 19:32

Bill Clinton met with the leader of Sinn Fein Gerry Adams, whilst peace talks were ongoing which led to the good friday agreement and something positive came out of it. BOTH sides had to surrender hard line demands..



So why are Greeks scared of Mrs Clinton speaking to the leader of the NC community ????

Lilli



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Message Posted:
23/03/2009 19:58

I for one think its a good thing. She has the backing. and whilst i agree the good Bill did for Ireland we must all remember there are actually 3 sides to a story . Yours. Mine and The Truth. With a power like Hllary rhe truth will out. I hope she will and I beleive she can follow Bill. Remember behind every good man.? She has many points to prove and she is aggresive as well she should be. Let them be very scared. xxxxxxx

hattikins


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Message Posted:
23/03/2009 20:27

"Pursuing anything that suggests de facto recognition of the occupation regime would not only be contrary to countless U.N. Security Council resolutions, but it would perhaps force the Republic of Cyprus to reconsider its stance with regard to Turkey and the European Union," the U.S. Greek leaders said.

Sounds like a threat to me and I don,t see Ms Clinton or President Obama taking kindly to that, what are they so afraid of that they don't want Talat to speak to America, I thought they wanted reconciliation.

dodger



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Message Posted:
23/03/2009 20:32

The way i see it is that the greeks feel as though they are having their noses put out of joint simply by the fact that Hillary Clinton is willing to talk to Talat.They even tried to block the meeting.There is a strong bond between Turkey and the americans,could the greeks be worried that this bond is about to spread to the Turk Cyps,

Paul.

hattikins


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Message Posted:
23/03/2009 20:36

We can live in hope.

dodger



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Message Posted:
24/03/2009 00:15

How dare he (Talat) even consider having thoughts of his own and try and forward the cause of the trnc by arranging a meet with Clinton.That man needs a slapped wrist and a spell in a darkened room so he can collect his thoughts.He then needs to spend time on the naughty step,lol.In my opinion thats how the greeks see it.Good luck Mr Talat,

Paul.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
24/03/2009 00:19

Paul

The tide is turning.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
24/03/2009 00:28

1/ WHEN are folk going to stop referring to "Greek" ( it ain't even that !) speaking CYPRIOTS as "Greek" ?



2/ There's no denying B.C made a difference in the Ireland peace process



3/ Ironically, it is a "Greek" American that has made this happen



4/ Sometimes the incoming tides washes up things we'd rather not discuss

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
24/03/2009 08:02

re msg 13 - section 3/



I should point out that is a "Greek" American that has organised the meeting during Mr Talat's trip ;)

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
24/03/2009 08:31

Dear AJ, re msg 12



In case you don't get what I mean by the "tide" remark ;)



1/ "According wll informed sources the meeting [ between Mrs Talat and Mrs Clinton] was suggested by U.S. Embassy in Nicosia as an American helping hand to Mehmet Ali Talt whose Turkish Republican Party trails by some distance the resurging National Unity Party (UBP), headed by hardliner Dervis Eroglu, in the upcoming “elections”.



Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan was also pushing for a meeting between Talat and Clinton in an effort to boost his ratings, convincing Hillary to receive him in Washington.



2 / Under the title "Shut up Millet", Turkish Cypriot daily Yeni Volkan

newspaper (20.03.09) refers to the statements made by the British High

Commissioner, Peter Millet, to the illegal Bayrak television. The paper

reports that Mr Millet asked for the Turkish Cypriots to vote for

parties which are in favor of the solution of the Cyprus problem.

dodger



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Message Posted:
24/03/2009 10:01

Sorry mmmm,

But the article does refer to them as greeks,

Paul.

craig2536


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Message Posted:
24/03/2009 10:57

Unfortunately the problems here are no where as sensational and headline grabbing as the problems in Ireland were then. Thank god there is peace at last there. Clinton got involved in the peace process there because of the huge vote of the irish community in america. Alas I do not see Hilary will be so enthusiastic for the turkish community in america for this political gain.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
24/03/2009 11:52

dt... re msg 18



if what you say is true, there have to be some incredibly STUPID folk "thinking" they are "helping" GCs .. The motives were to HELP a pro solution candidate ..

juliet


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Message Posted:
24/03/2009 12:09

dt



i don`t think it was an official invite...

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
24/03/2009 12:17

This is all about semantics.. Rightly, or wrongly, the general view is that post Annan, the TCs ( and that included plenty of mainland Turks given "citizenship" had shown a genuine wish to "trust" the GC compatriots, ask the TR army to leave, etc.,



It is also conceived, rightly or wrongly, that the TCs have elected a leader and they should be talked to ..



We need to differentiate between "recognition" of "TRNC" and practicalities...

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
24/03/2009 13:20

Dear dt.., re msg 24



I'd hardly call it an "ideal solution" for the the folk having to move hoes to hand back territory to the GC sector and the shame is if the same vote was put NOW, it would probably be rejected by the majority of those "eligible" to vote by "citizenship"...



I don't think if the GC side had negotiated in good faith, that the TC vote would have been any less - most voted to trust the EU to protect them and improve their quality of life .

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
24/03/2009 13:49

Hi dt...



1/ the TR army went "home" - save for 950 troops - we all know they could fly back in 20 minutes - but they DID go home..



2/ 5 years on and GCs got nothing "back" - wasn't something better than nought...? Is this the Cypriot pride, thing ! ;)



3/ in 14 years time future generations of GCs could have been settling in the "north"



I'm not saying Annan was "fair" - what COMPROMISE is.. but the point I made then and NOW ,was who / how will GCs ever have got a better "deal"..



since then the ECHR has made a ruling that the local property resolution was to be in the hands of TR.. the "smart" thing to do was to pile in a TEST that "remedy" ..to the limit - my theory is that TR would have been found "wanting"



What does the RoC govt advise - "stay away"... LUNACY - Cypriots can't pick and choose ECHR rulings they "like"..



Where is the BRAVE GC Politician who will "sacrifice" his ambitions for the greater good of his people - e.g David Trimble ?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
24/03/2009 14:02

Re msg 28 - please excuse my use of tenses in point 1/



must be wishful thinking...

dobbo



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Message Posted:
24/03/2009 14:15

What's the big deal if they had a meeting its a free world, seems to me the GC's wants everyone to ignore the TC's, and they see them as an underclass.



Big time racists if you ask me, have the TC's not got the same human rights as everyone else.



I cant believe the US will bow to a bit pressure by the GC's just a bunch of bully boys.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
24/03/2009 14:24

Dear Dobbo, re msg 30



It's got BUGGER ALL to do with racism..



IF the meting HAS been cancelled it is because of Political protocol as a result of a UN resolution re the legality of "TRNC"..



Easily solved... get Mr "Commie Jim" Christofias over and let him have a meeting 30 minutes before..



...time to "bang some heads".. WHO is going to "break the circle" ? :(

caulkhead


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Message Posted:
24/03/2009 15:08

I don't often agree with mmmmm when he goes off on one, but on the subject of Talat meeting Hilary, I think he is entirely right.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
24/03/2009 15:19

Dear Caulkhead, re msg 33



"I don't often agree with mmmmm when he goes off on one..."



))

dobbo



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Message Posted:
24/03/2009 16:06

mmmmm re msg 31

Talet represents the Turkish Cypriots you cannot make a race of people illegal what ever the status of the TRNC as a country the people have the same human rights as everybody else.

dodger



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Message Posted:
24/03/2009 20:37

http://www.grreporter.info/statiaen.php?mysid=1826&t=25&SESID=pdshrukq1rohh3ngjeerajbuu2



Looks like another kick in the nuts for Talat.What chance does he stand when all the gcs have to do is throw a tantrum,

Paul.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
24/03/2009 23:45

Dear Dobbo, re msg 31



IMHO TCs and GCs are Cypriots.. !



Can you point out where I say Mr Talat should NOT be meeting Mrs Clinton?



I HAVE said the "declaration of independence" of "TRNC" hasn't done the TCs any favours and this incident proves it, again .... It is the VERY "stick" that repeatedly gives the "rump" RoC the "upper hand"...

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
25/03/2009 09:48

This may actually do Talat and the TRNC some good in that Clinton and the State Dept will see the GR and GC for the spoilt brats they are and how they never miss an opportunity to do the TCs down. The Americans must wonder what's behind the protest. Why don't they want Clinton and Talat to meet? Might she hear something they don't want him to say?

dodger



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Message Posted:
25/03/2009 10:03

Cant see it personally Vaughany but nice sentiments,

Paul.

dodger



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Message Posted:
25/03/2009 10:11

http://www.famagusta-gazette.com/link.asp?twindow=Default&smenu=123&sdetail=8152&mad=No&wpage=&skeyword=&sidate=



As usual its as clear as mud,

Paul.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
25/03/2009 11:13

Dear "TRNC"Vaughan re msg 38



"Why don't they want Clinton and Talat to meet? Might she hear something they don't want him to say?"



All this time in Cyprus and you STILL haven't "got it" re the semantics /Political Protocol bit ;) ..

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
25/03/2009 14:44

Hi mmmmmm,



Irony, old chap.



If GC and GR are so keen about reunification, surely they wouldn't let protocol get in the way? I would have thought they would be only too happy to let the TC's have their say, if it helped the process. (more irony).

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
25/03/2009 15:23

Dear "TRNC" Vaughan re msg 42



Thank you for pointing out the emotion you intended - but I was serious... a "smart" move would have been to invite 'em both ;)

Stewart


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Message Posted:
25/03/2009 15:27

If you was president of the USA....which would you be more anxious to please...Turkey or Greece? just a thought!

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
25/03/2009 15:34

Hi mmm,



Good idea but I think it better to see them both, but seperately. GC first, because of protocol, closely followed by TC who gets to refute a few things perhaps.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
25/03/2009 15:53

Hi "TRNC" Vaughan, re msg 45



Precisely! ...;)

dodger



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Message Posted:
25/03/2009 22:25

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=44800



My bat my ball my wickets.Its an absolute bloody disgrace that this meeting with Clinton has been postponed,

Paul.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
25/03/2009 22:35

Hi Dodger, re msg 47



You note the CY Mail seems to suggest there was never any firm meeting arranged.... YEAH, Right...

Lilli



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Message Posted:
25/03/2009 22:44

do you think its been postponed be ause obahma is meeting the turkisk prime minister april 4th. maybe they will wait to see the outcome of those talks

dodger



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Message Posted:
25/03/2009 22:55

Lilli,

Could well be but i personally think that Talat is just being used as a political pawn in all of this and in his heart of hearts he knew full well that the meeting would never take place.The gcs behave like that awful kid at school the school bully the one that is hated by most of the school but no one will stand up to him or her.



One day i hope the tide will turn and the trnc get a fair crack of the whip.Unfortunateley on their own they have no bargaining power,what do they bring to the table.They are debt ridden and have to go cap in hand to Turkey.And of course the gcs play on this and just trample all over them.The words blood and boil spring to mind.Maybe one day though,

Paul

Lilli



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Message Posted:
25/03/2009 22:59

hiya paul we live in hope. you take care xxxxxx

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
25/03/2009 23:19

paul and lilli



these are people who call for unification ,do you guys believe them.





musin



long live the kktc

Lilli



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Message Posted:
25/03/2009 23:25

hi musim I did but after speaking to several t/c buisness friends nobody does. They just cant see it.They feel sold out and no one to care. That is thier words.Its so sad . xxxx

juliet


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Message Posted:
26/03/2009 07:55

msg 55



And 120.000 or more settlers.......what hope do the tcs have with them.

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
26/03/2009 08:10

I go to the UK for a few days but nothing changes...Border and co still talking twaddle lol

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
26/03/2009 08:24

re msg 57 Dee, Welcome back..



strangely enough I** missed your lugubrious conclusion to your thesis on the Mosques of the "rump" RoC..



But now you're back..

dodger



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Message Posted:
26/03/2009 10:09

http://www.famagusta-gazette.com/link.asp?smenu=69&twindow=&sdetail=8159&mad=&wpage=1&skeyword=&sidate=



Here we go again.

Lilli



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Message Posted:
26/03/2009 10:14

hi paul how are you today. Its like cat and mouse a bit isnt it. Well lets hope he gets there. Keep us posted. xxxx

dodger



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Message Posted:
26/03/2009 12:25

Hi Lilli ,im very good thanks.Will keep you informed,

Paul.

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
26/03/2009 16:32

Border I popped over the border this morning and strained my neck looking for mosques, if I end up with one of those bloody awful collars I will sue you and guess what ....I still couldn't see any..glad you missed me though

juliet


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Message Posted:
26/03/2009 19:41

dt



don`t waste your breath, dee is denial, she reckons there isnt any.....

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
26/03/2009 22:15

When I see one I shall concede defeat...end of...

Turtle


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Message Posted:
26/03/2009 22:20

Thought you had been banned Pikey ?

juliet


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Message Posted:
26/03/2009 22:21

should be end of your denial dee... take a trip south you will be amazed, if you like when your over ask the nearest iranian person you come accross to escort you to one.. beleive me there are many...

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
27/03/2009 00:55

I admit defeat ;)



Unless Dee sees one Mosque with her own eyes... she will never do the "right thing " and apologise for her "howler"....



1/ She's seen links re Hala Sultan Tekke,



2/ the RoC website for Arabs states showing the budget for the 101 Mosques in the area of CY they control....



"NOT GOOD ENOUGH" .. It's GC "propaganda ))

juliet


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Message Posted:
27/03/2009 07:40

maybe we should ask her how many greek orthodox churchs are in use on the north, seeing as though she knows everything....