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DutchCrusader



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I've sent email to all applicants for the article "TRNC Deputy Prime Minister: "Property guarantee".



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Thanks Dutch. I'm just popping out to buy another couple of properties. I'll read the full article when I get back.



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Thanks for taking the time to do this Dutch, it made interesting reading.

Thank you again.



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Many thanks Dutch



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Can't you just post the article here?



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Cylad. You forgot to put a smiley after your post. )



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You keep hanging onto that straw pikey its about the only thing you have left .



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Received mine Dutch, thanks



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its never over till the fat lady sings pikey ?? daft new name by the way //



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I've sent bulk email again to all who applied in the past hours - but this service has now expired!



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Put your feet up and have a cup of charlie Dutch !! you deserve it.



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hope youve not been sending them to us jocks dutch lol



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i am generally puzzled:



it is obvious that in the hurley-burley of arguments about trnc property

those eu citizens who are the owners "now"

may have to defend themselves against those eu citizens who "blew it"



it could all be a false dawn for friends cyplad/pikey, juliet and mark and others



or with yet more sinsiter laws at the discussion stage

it could usher in a new compensation culture



but I don't quite see how all this agro would get back north cyprus for them?



perhaps I am being especially thick but I would have thought

these shennanigans will push the day that turkey leaves cyprus

even further into the distant future... if it ever happens at all



can someone explain the link if they think there is one?



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Hi Eric, Pikey, cylad or the name of one of your many illegal entries on several boards: why all your repeated, useless messages here? Why don't you spend a week emailing your great Communist leader (Hahaha!! In 2009!!!) Christofias and plant some sense in his land hungry, greedy, revengeful, twisted, Moscow educated mind?!



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at least Christofias is educated & knows the difference between right & wrong...



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As do most people Juliet, but they also accept that at some point there has got to be compromise, unlike your good self who seems to think that everything should go the GC way.



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A friend of mine put an offer in for a house in Laqta and the offer was refused and the price has since gone up.



It's all to do with the property 'GUARANTEE'. Prices are going up in the trnc.



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Yippeeee, some good news for the good ole TRNC...





Long live the KKTC



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Dear DC, re msg 16



Enjoyed reading this one - one of your funnier ones's .. must show it too a person I "know" who was also educated in the Soviet, Communist education system..



Funny thing is they end up pretty well educated and dislike most of the things the system stood for - but they miss the std of education and back then teachers were regarded very highly and weren't paid peanuts..



THINK you'll find "Commie Jim" has moved a long way to the right.. and may be we should be glad if he is "well educated" ;)



Take care!



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Mark, message 21, I thought for a minute you didn't believe the article but then realised you were only joking.



Oh by the way, you forgot to put a smiley after the last sentence



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By the way Mark, this is no ordinary Minister - it's the 'Deputy Prime Minister'



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a deputy prime minister that is only recognised in the so called trnc & turkey.. not much help in you are an EU member...



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what has the EU got to do with the price of carrots..



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dee



you seem to have food on the brain today..stuffed artichoke, stuffed chicken & now carrots.....the EU does not recognise the so called trnc or have you forgoten where you live..



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It doesn't matter that we are not recognised. Our properties are safe - thats all that matters.



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Dutch, sorry to go of the subject, but i thought your team was a bit lucky on saturday night.





























lol



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It is only a matter of time Jules and then the price of vegetables will drop lol



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RE msg 28, jock1 > Dutch, sorry to go of the subject, but i thought your team was a bit lucky on saturday night. <



===> Off topic also: OK, jock1, it was a lucky win (3-0 !!! Hahaha!). Scotland was even worse than I expected in my saddest dreams. Don't worry though, Iceland (Wednesday) can probably not find 11 players, so Scotland may even draw against 'em...



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msg 27



well thats allright then isnt it....have you told the orams your wonderful news?



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RE msg 32, cylad >< That's why only leftists in Cyprus like Talat and him believe in both sides reuniting for the common good. <



===> We'll see (next elections shortly) how the Turkish Cypriots appreciate the way TRNC has been run by leftists for a couple of years now. "Uncle Joe" Christofias may go on talking to Mr. Talat, but the latter won't have any leftist in the next government to talk to...



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Dutch,

Please put me out of my misery,where is this article,

Paul.



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RE msg 35, newlad > Please put me out of my misery,where is this article, <



===> Newlad, find all info here: http://tinyurl.com/dy6yct .



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RE msg 37, cylad > But how many TCs will be voting compared to Turks? <



===> Cylad, my dear friend from Glasgow: Who cares HOW Holland won from Scotland..?



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RE msg 39, cylad > But how many TCs will be voting compared to Turks? <



===> OK. I'll try again. Who cares HOW the UBP wins the elections? With TC's, with Turks, with expats who became citizens... Anyone who helps to keep your GC friends away from the border and my door. Is this plain enough?



PS I hope you archived your texts about TRNC corruption - that's all you gonna have in the next four years.



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RE newlad: in a couple of minutes you have email with an instruction (where to find the requested article).



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dc



another small debate i watched on gak tv which may also help see which way the wind is blowing ,when the new government "the ubp" imo get into power ,if the orams lose then there is a great possibility the borders may be shut to stop the gc,s coming over ,or a new law may be passed to stop them from approaching people, so you can see which way the ,at least the tc,s wind blows.



musin

long live the kktc



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musin

you really do not care about your people on the north do you? not a cat in hells chance they will shut the green line ticket offices, what would the tcs do for there jobs, there health care? most of them have now got roc id cards, if this was to happen (which it wont!) the north will be just full of expats & settlers as the tcs will move over here permanetly so they can have a better life & enjoy there EU membership.your gay tv channel dosnt know what it is talking about...



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I still haven't received my email with the full article.



Lem



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Musin_M re msg 42



"when the new government "the ubp" imo get into power ,if the orams lose then there is a great possibility the borders may be shut to stop the gc,s coming over"



1/ How many times? .The crossing points won't be closed - TR can't afford the fines..



2/ Whoever wins will do what TR tells 'em - even if that means sit down and talk ..I thought you knew how things were ?!



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mmmm, suzanne



you two are hilarious.







musin

long live the kktc



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Dear Musin_M, re msg 46



what is hilarious .. my info comes from TCs... ;)



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juliet,

USA ready and wants trade restictions lifted, if they move the rest of the world follows make no mistake.



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RE msg 44, Lem > I still haven't received my email with the full article. <



===> When did you send your email with the request to me, Lem?



===> PS To answer a question: the reason I don't give the URL for this article on this board is that I don't want anonymous people on my server in Holland.



===> PPS All email addresses from applicants for the article will be deleted this morning (Tuesday, March 31, 2009).



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Hi mmmmmmmmmmm,



The border was opened because a TC had made a case that he was prevented from travelling to/from work. Have you considered that the border might not be totally closed, but it might become "one-way". The RoC is obliged to allow EU/RoC/TRNC citizens free passage back and forth. No such obligation applies to TRNC. They could decide who they allow in and who they don't. TC's could travel freely across and back to work and everyone/anyone else may or may not.



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Hi "TRNC"Vaughan, re msg 50



You've not thought this one through, have you ?!



The TC is a Medical professional who doesn't "recognise" "TRNC" - he still believed his govt should have been within the framework of the RoC ! He regards himself as a citizen of RoC. He won his case as his applications to attend seminars etc., were frequently refused or even ignored.



IF TR "closed the gates" it would be restricting the freedom of movement of EU Citizens AND it would be discriminatory. NOT a wise move by an EU accession candidate..



The RoC is obliged to allow EU Citizens to cross - "TRNC" Citizens who aren't citizens of the RoC - e.g. Turkish settlers would be told to apply for a Visa and enter Cyprus by a recognised port of entry ..



Interestingly enough, I heard Mr Gul- on Euronews this am - say that TR doesn't require GCs to have Visas !



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Hi mmmmmmmm,



IF TR "closed the gates"



It wouldn't be TR but TRNC that might choose to "close the gates" if the UBP come to power and the talks fail. One might say that TR pulls the strings but would have difficulty proving it.



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Dear "TRNC" Vaughan re msg 52



I'm *trying* to be "gentle" with you.. but even if Turkey "clam" it was was "the govt " of "TRNC".. THEY will be held liable.. and WELL you know it..



There are plenty of recent ECHR rulings to back up my stance.



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Border what is your problem with the TRNC, why do you always side with the RoC..I thought it was the gc's that prevented your 'wife' staying there...what is your agenda in all your rambling posts?



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Hi mmmmmm,



I'm not making myself clear perhaps.



How could preventing RoC citizens from travelling North be seen as something to be held liable for? I am not suggesting TRNC citizens with RoC papers couldn't travel back and forth, or that EU citizens who weren't RoC nationals couldn't travel back and forth. What I am suggesting is that RoC nationals might be prevented from travelling North by TRNC immigration. They could be asked to apply for a visa which may or may not be granted.



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Dear "TRNC"Vaughan re msg 54



No - it must me me "at fault" ! ;)



I have clearly demonstrated to you that TURKEY is held liable for most of the acts of "TRNC" govt.. if it "allowed" an attempted restriction of the freedom of movement of one set of EU citizens - it would be held liable..



Dear Dee re msg 54



"why do you always side with the RoC" ?



Do I? As you point out they haven't complied with thge spirit of an EU Directive, and now admit it



If you ask "TRNC" Vaughan he will certainly advise you that I was no "fan" of the last administration.



Sorry,to "disappoint" you, Dee, but you have neatly shown that I try to be on the side of what is legally correct - re freedom of movement and right where one wants to live.



My views are largely the foreign policy of my Govts' in resprect to relations with RoC / Turkey...



I would like to see TR in the EU and autonomous regions of Cyprus.



Hope that clears you misconceptions ..!



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RE msg 56, 6xm > I would like to see TR in the EU and autonomous regions of Cyprus. <



===> "TR in the EU"? We'll see.



===> "autonomous regions of Cyprus." Look again, Mark. That's exactly what you see and have today: two autonomous regions in Cyprus. We finally agree (glad you gave up!): we both see and have what we want...



PS. So, to update your knowledge/information: the Southern autonomous region is called RoC (Republic of Cyprus) and the Northern autonomous region is called TRNC (Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus).



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Hi DC, re msg 57



Many thanks for the opportunity to correct YOUR misconception ;)



I, clearly say autonomous *regions* ... not nations . I refer to a bi-zonal , single, federated state made up of autonomous ethnic regions - with EU norms on freedom of movement TEMPORARILY "restricted" to ensure stability .



I welcome a Turk living / working in Limas(s)ol and a GC doing the same in, say, Anatolia !



Take care, and hopefully, now you have recovered from your huge victory over the "poor" defenceless ( injuries) Scots you might have time to chat with a few friends back home about the game and other "serious" things ;)



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BTW apologies for my multiple spooling mistooks



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Hi mmmmmmmmm,



Could you explain how Germans don't need an entry visa to enter TR, whereas Britons do? Is this not discrimination between one set of EU citizens and another? If TR can get away with that, are you so sure they couldn't get away with what I am suggesting.



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Dear "TRNC"Vaughan



re msg 60



I note you have "changed tack" ! Did you know that RoC passport holders don't require Visas, either - according to Mr Gul this morning !



The Irish and Brits need to buy a visa on arrival in TR.. The Irish get charged less !



But let's not digress, you were "trying" to tell us that Turkey ( or "TRNC") could refuse entrance to "TRNC" to RoC citizens..



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Hi mmmmmmmm,



Changed Tack? On the contrary. In msg 51 you stated:

"IF TR "closed the gates" it would be restricting the freedom of movement of EU Citizens AND it would be discriminatory."

Discriminatory.

We have agreed that TR applies different entry requirements to different EU citizens (Irish, British & Germans), and that this is clearly discrimination. So why couldn't they apply a different entry requirement (i.e. No entry) to RoC citizens?

Different is different. Discrimination is discrimination.



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It is off the tack, but visas for entry into Turkey is a tit for tat situation. Turks entering Britain have to pay a visa fee Germans don't. Hence British passport holders have to pay on entry into Turkey. No bias as far as I'm aware. Maybe the Irish charge less for Turks to enter Irland?



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Hi ROBIN HOOD,



I don't agree that it is off tack. I think it demonstrates that different states CAN apply different (and therefore by definition discriminatory) visa regulations to different EU citizens, for whatever reason, be it "tit-for-tat" or any other. In days gone by the US required UK citizens to apply for a visa and on one occasion I was denied one, whereas the UK applied no such requirement to US citizens. If various states can legally require a visa, and on occasion deny them, why can't TR do the same with RoC?



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The Deputy Prime Minister gave a 'Guarantee'.



The definition of Guarantee = A promise or assurance, to undertake to ensure for another, as rights or possessions. To promise.



All the m's - why do you have a problem with this? It's clear to everyone else on here.



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Hi Dutch can you tell me where I can read the full article please.



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Re msg 43

Juliet - if you are going to talk down to people you really must learn how to write the English language

Their = refering to belonging or association with a person

There= refering to an object or place

North Cyprus really is a great place - especially the people. All you have to do is to spend a day in Nicosia - first in the North as a guest of the TC's, then cross over to the south and compare the treatment you get fro GCs. Not what you want to hear, but the truth.



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perry



many thanks for the english lesson..i think i do quite well considering i am cypriot....and why would i be a guest in my own country?



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Thought you were brought up and educated in the UK Juliet ?



I an sure I recall you mentioning you were in Cyprus ON HOLIDAY in 1974 when you were 13 and then returned to England ??



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to & fro from birth turtle.. been settled here now for 23yrs....



we all make spelling mistakes some more than others...does dyslexia come to mind..



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Dear all, Is Cylad the dreaded eric, pike, macha come back again after being banned for the 2nd time ? looks like a short stay.........so much for an ex copper that used to enforce the law.



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off topic again tiggy...



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Yep I am....prefer twix these days.



Suzzane, remember rule 5, as you are also in contempt of it .



I was hoping you was not going to reply to me ever again. seems you can not keep away.



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Cylad,or whatever your other nom de plumes are,are there Treponemes still circulating round your system ? Rarely have I come across such small minded,glaucomatous bull-merd ! Celebrate the fact that our properties are safe,along with the rest of us.....try joining the human race,Neanderthal man !



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I still don't know exactly what the Deputy prime Minister has 'promised' re property in TRNC. Is this a wind up or can someone enlighten me please?



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Hi Hector...



Have forwarded the link to your email address



Regards Joseph



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Dear "TRNC"Vaughan re 62







Do you STILL maintain that "TRNC" could close the crossing points?





Seems to me, I have got you on the right track as we are now talking Turkey - literally ! ;)



THAT is what I meant re "changing tack" ..



Like I said - as long as TR is a member of the Council of Europe.. it isn't going to happen



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are we talking about the deputy who's party is about to be out of goverment come the election results?



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Jules I thought you were a lesser cheshire girl lol



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RE msg 76, joseph > Hi Hector... Have forwarded the link to your email address. Regards Joseph <



===> Thank you for your unsolicited help, joseph. I have broken the link to the article on my server now, because I like to control my server and its visitors myself. And rule # 1 is that I don't allow people on my server who are in one way or another unsympathetic to the TRNC. That's why *I* have sent the link to this article via email (including you) myself. I think I made the procedure in the postings about this subject clear enough. Oh well, I'll find a safer way to inform people next time.



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wilmslow dee..



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Hi mmmmmmmmmmmmm,



Please comment on my msg 64 and advise me where my logic is wrong?



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He must be having a laugh. He probably wont even be in power next month after the elections! Why doesnt he guarantee rogue builders and lawyers are struck off instead? Why doesnt he guarantee people get their deeds or aren't blackmailed? That would be a better start.



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"Juliet" re msg 81



Aha "our secret" is out ... I lived, went to school in, passed my Driving test - all in Wilmslow !



So .. we DO have something in common - "they" were "right" after all



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Re 82, "TRNC" Vaughan



"Please comment on my msg 64 and advise me where my logic is wrong?"



So? Here I am and my point is the same.. you started off saying "TRNC" could close the gates, and we are talking *TURKEY*, now.. ;)



Pun aside, *YOU* haven't dealt with that ...



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Hi DutchC...



Sorry I didn't realise the link was private as such, my apologies, shall refrain from forwarding again' ... just thought it was such an important subject of interest to everyone and there seemed so many asking for info it was ok.



Will try and find article on Cyprus Star on line direct.



Once again, my apologies.



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Why the secrecy over this 'guarantee' and what help is it? Does anyone actually know what it is?



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Sorry to bring this back to the top but...



Would it not be a good idea for this article to be scanned and placed on the Forums homepage under one or another of the directives.



I think this is such an important statement of assurance for expats and all buyers in TRNC both past, present and those considering buying in TRNC.

After all having such a clear statement given by such a senior politician surely puts paid to all the misleading (accidental or otherwise) recollections of who said what and when?



Dutch has unearthed a real important gem of news so surely this deserves to be out in the open... or am I wrong



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Joseph, as usual you very correct.



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Thousands of British families who bought cheap houses or land in Northern Cyprus were told yesterday that their investments were secure, even if European courts ruled that their property was stolen from Greek owners during the 1974 division of the island.



Ferdi Soyer, the prime minister of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus - which is recognised only by Turkey - gave a "state guarantee" that their ownership could not be successfully challenged.



Extract from the Telegraph



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What I don't understand is what part of "The Deputy Prime Minister has guaranteed our properties" doesn't anyone understand?



It seem's plain english to me! Am I missing something here....help me out if I'm wrong !!



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dt....I take your point, anything can be legally challenged. Until it is we have the Guarantee. Yes or No?



I feel as though I'm missing something here - am I?



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The political stand-off between the Greek and Turkish sides of Cyprus would ensure that court claims were not enforced, he said.



On a visit to London, Mr Soyer said: "There is no chance that they will lose their property. The British people who buy a house or who want to take land in north Cyprus do not be afraid: everything is under our state guarantee."



Exert from the telegraph



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Clearly we can't count on it 100%. However he has made this staterment and I would assume we all ecpect him to honour it.



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A contentious statement dt...



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Am I reading this correctly...



First of all the DeputyPM gives a guarantee and now in the Telegraph article his boss the P.Minister is adding the same?



Then... some detract from this by saying... this is only given by TRNC ministers who are recognised by Turkey alone.



If so... can I now read that Turkey is also adding a guarantee.



Result ... we have a guarantee by the TRNC Prime Minister by his deputy and now... thanks to those pointing this out... by Turkey also?



This guarantee seems to be getting better and better



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Joseph. If I read your statement correctly, there's now a Guarantee of the Guarantee? Therefore we have a Double Guarantee. Surely you just cannot get better than that. (only with a triple Guarantee)



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Hi No1..



Well this is what I am trying to ascertain by the posts above?



1.. DutchC found and revealed a statement of guarantee by Deputy P.M

2.. The Saints then revealed that his statement was backed up by the P.M

3.. Then dt kindly points out that Turkey backs both statements?



So I asked; have I read this correctly... because... like you...it seems to me that the original single guarantee has now become a triple guarantee?



Simple enough question... What do you think



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both of these guys will be gone come the end of april.

the orams case will also have been decided on by then.

so i guess we only have to wait and see for another month and it will all become clear.

if the case goes against the oram's, which it looks like it will.

how is soyer or anyone else going to ensure that the claim against them or anyone else, can't be upheld in the uk courts or e.u courts?

he is talking hot air as usual!



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Dear dt.. re msg 106



Whilst I understand your feelings, you MUST be aware that G.Cypriots should not rely on the Ormas' case alone - and we don't even KNOW the outcome, yet - it certainly won't get your properties back - it would just inconvenience - the "owner" if he/she/they have assets in the EU.



The GCs have the right to use the current RCHR approved local remedy that TURKEY has been ordered to provide.



IF - as I suspect - GCs don't use it - if they *did*, I believe the findings would have been subject to ECHR review, as TR has historically been "under" re valuation and not keen to allow occupied properties to be handed back - you will find that the ECHR will not treat GC cases as you'd wish..



GCs can't ignore ECHR judgements when they don't suit.. the RoC govt was MAD to make GCs who DO use this route feel "bad" - the wise thing to do would have been to LOAD Turkey's IPC with claims..



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sorry about my spelling - Orams ( line 2) , ECHR line 1 para 2 :(



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Re Msg 109



Do you have any more info or pointers to the press reports. It would be good to understand how the 56MGBP figure "demanded" was calculated.



And 7MGBP is still a lot more than 0 GBP - the current alternative.



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Could someone copy and paste the article here?



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DT, Re Msg 110



Assuming your response was directed at me I'm not quite sure why you felt the need to respond in such hostile terms. I wasn't suggesting that it was a good or a bad offer - I was merely looking to gain a better understanding of the basis for these figures.



Thank you for your subsequent posting extracted from another forum. This says that "55 people were asked for 56,826,000 pounds from the beginning of the agreements" Is there a press article that expands on this?



My point is that it's impossible to know whether the original £57M is an artificially inflated/unreasonable figure, whether the £8m response is the unreasonable one or whether indeed reality lies somewhere between the two. Property prices are notoriously volatile at the best of times.



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Mm re msg 107, fair and balanced points here... methinks



You got a bit waylaid above re border points etc but would be interested in your take re the guarantees of D/P/M, P/M and as such Turkey?



Donty remsg 112, I believe the article was available on D/C's private server and a such the link is now broken. Perhaps you could email Izzet or No1 to request it be scanned onto the forum as I suggested above. Seems there are lots of people who are very interested in reading the article and others who are just becoming aware of what was written



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Hi Vincehugo..



Your fair questions re property compensation and the huge variances might be explained by whether or not the value stated are current values or values as assessed in 1974... but I'm not sure... just a guess... but I am sure this difficulty was addressed by Annan and I think any agreed solution has to be based on the same... again someone like Mmmm could probably answer this far better than I



Because of your question... I ran a quick search just to see how this works, in reverse as it were, re a TC claim in the south. The most obvious case was the claim for the land used for Larnaca Airport. I think a claim for millions was reprised with an offer of £22,000 plus any interest accrued since '74 and only when and if a solution is found... anyway it makes interesting reading and here is one link... there are loads...



http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=20288&cat_id=1



There is a second case on the link re Arif Mustafa?



Regards Joseph



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Hi Joseph,



Thanks for that. So he was claiming £100m and the RoC reckoned they would give him £22k. Even with interest that sounds like he was being asked to accept 1/1000 th of his claimed value! Shocking! What the hell is wrong with people!



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it sounds like the trnc goverment must be flush right now.

after all that guarantee is going to be mighty costly. lol.



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Dear Joeseph, re msg 116



"Mm re msg 107, fair and balanced points here... methinks " - yes they are mine, but those of the ECHR ;) ! ..but Thanks !



"You got a bit waylaid above re border points etc" "



you are letting your "bias" / reasoning slip ! - they AREN'T "recognised" international frontiers ( "borders") to most nations !



"but would be interested in your take re the guarantees of D/P/M, P/M and as such Turkey? "



As "worthless" as a promise from Gary Robb - sorry :(



WHY? it just can't be kept..



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how many promises have the gov made and not kept?

power cuts are a thing of the past comes to mind, but i bet there are loads more.

how can you trust any promise they make??



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Power cuts cannot be held in the same circumstances as guarantees..firestarter I am beginning to lose a bit of respect for you..power cuts are a universal problem, christ I had more in the UK than I have had here



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dee

i seriously don't believe you , lol.

my point is the gov here makes too many promises they cannot keep!

loads of statements full of hot air is what they are masters of.



its up to you if you believe them or not , why not if it makes people feel better.

i would wait for the new gov, the orams case ruling and a little something else i have heard may be coming before you celebrate.

i guess around may time all will be a lot clearer.



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Hi Mmm



re "you are letting your "bias" / reasoning slip ! - they AREN'T "recognised" international frontiers ( "borders") to most nations !



Reasoning perhaps certainly not bias... because I have no set thoughts as to whether I am passing through borders,barriers or whatever... all I know is I have to present my passport/ visa etc when passing from one side to the other and like most people accept the status quo. In fact I am so unbiased that when I am in the south or the north I respect the laws of both sides... surely you would not advise me to disrespect either... ?



I did not know Gary Robb was an elected official

What I do know is that the DPM and PM were both democratically elected and even those on here decrying the guarantee admit to that simply by saying... well he might not be after the upcoming elections... they cannot have it both ways?



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I keep seeing facts and figures on displaced GC's does anyone have any facts and figures on how many TC's were displaced from the south and had to flee leaving thier Property, thier land and businesses behind, is there any figures as to how many will seek compensation from the south or restitution of property and lands occupied by GC'c or foriegn owners having bought properties on illegaly owned land, is this not a two way street. As dt.. stated the Turkish Cypriots have been established on Cyprus for 400+ years, do they not have any rights???



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Dear The Saints, re msg 126



YES, TCs had to leave, felt they had to leave, were paid to leave and PRE 74 - we must not forget that.





TCs can do and have reclaimed their land / property in the "south" - some never left...



TC land should not be sold for private gain



The RoC law is that a TC wishing to reclaim his land most live in the "rump" RoC for six months - which to me - sounds unfair - and could be challenged.



NOT perfect - but a HELL of a lot fairer than if you're a GC who lost out.. well until the IPC came along .. the "fairness" of which the ECHR have yet to decide...



More GCs should TEST it...



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Thank you Mark, it all seems a little one sided on the postings nice to have some info.



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i thought one of the airports in the south was on tc land.ifso what if the guy who owns the land dosnt want compensation.he wants is land back,doyou think the gc goverment would be up for this.i dont think so.



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Having just returned from TRNC and experienced the vibrant level of political hustings. I am confident for the continuation and prosperity of the region as a democratic administration all be it supported by Turkish guarantee.



The property issues are becomming less of an issue to most inhabitants as well as myself. The level of political activity in and around the Eastern Mediteranean and Middle East will not prioritise upon the very solvable property issues.

Mr Obamas visit to Turkey and the reported interst of the USA in siting a military station in TRNC signify a distinct level of optimism for a Cyprus solution.



The path to acceptance and release from embargo for TRNC is clearly on the cards if TRNC and Turkey play their cards ( and they have a few aces) right.



It is the ROC whose hand of cards diminishes with time as they have far less international clout than Turkey. The ROC may well be driven into acceptance of a solution. One that will be far lesser than that of 2004



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Hi Saints and Clayton,



VinceHugo asked similar questions re this issue and as pointed out above I also wondered the same, so did a quick search and the first link that came up was:



http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=20288&cat_id=1



Bear in my mind there are many such links and therefore differing views but worth looking at just to give a view from the other side as it where.



For my own part it just shows just how difficult and intricate such land questions are/ have become and perhaps reflects the difficulties facing both sets of politicians when discussing the "Cyprus problem"



Regards Joseph



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thanks for the info,

joseph so if the land an airport is sat on is worth only 22000 plus interest.then the land a villa is sat on must be worth about 2 pound plus interest.so the compensation if any dosnt seem to bad.ha



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Clayton, the Larnaca Airport situation has always been refered to by the GC sympathises as "compulsory Purchase" we all know this is absolute crap.

These same people refer to exchange land as stolen, I personally can not see the difference...........hypocrissy of the highest order in my opinion.



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turtle

i think you are right



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Turtle... I am with you on that one



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Yep my place in Alsancak was a compulsory purchase too, my wife wanted it I had no choice but to buy it.



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re msg 136 The Saints..



That made me laugh



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dt... can you please enlighten me, exactly how many houses have been built on GC stolen land in the North as you put it, is it not conceivable that it could be a very small amount or are you stating that every inch of the island is property of a GC and that TC's never owned any land in the North??? not in the 400+ years they have been settled on the island??



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Message 136 - Alsancak seems to be a hotbed of "compulsory purchases". My husband wanted our apartment, so, we had to buy it!!!!



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On the same link it reports:



"A landmark case last year, involving the return of a house to Turkish Cypriot Arif Mustafa, was put on hold when the Supreme Court suspended an initial order to return the property to its original owner. Though the court accepted Mustafa’s claim as rightful, it postponed execution of the order when the Attorney-general appealed the decision. The issue had deep political undertones, as the house is currently used by Greek Cypriot refugees."



To be fair...This surely shows how difficult this has all become.



In all honesty would any of us want to see a family, GC or otherwise, chucked out of a house that has become their home, where their children have been born and neighbours are friends etc. They could lose everything... and might not have a claim for land in the north to offset such loss.



This is why I think they can only deal with the status quo... on both sides ...

Otherwise we are back to '64 and 74 etc



Just my thoughts



Joseph



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Dear Warren, re msg 130



I hope when you reacclimatise and "smell the coffee", so to speak you'll realise how unlikely prosperity and continued support from Turkey - at even the continued level is going to be.. Turkey needs funds from the IMF... and the IMF dictate terms for loans.



"The property issues are becomming less of an issue to most inhabitants as well as myself" .. hmm, with he Orams' case coming up that REALLY sounds like someone in a different time continuum.



"the reported interst of the USA in siting a military station in TRNC".. well her's one poster that is prepared to bet you that will be EXTREMELY unlikely officially - while the RoC has official claim to the whole of the island.



The "release from embargo" in and always was in the hands of TCs .. who put themselves in the position of GCs being ABLE to "dictate" terms.. *I* don't see the UN resolution re the NON status of "TRNC" changing, US "support" or no, without some major progress from WITHIN Cyprus.



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Hi Joseph Re Msg 141



I've raised the point you make before about the reciprocal activity which would surely take place if GC's took back land in the North. TC's (or those who have purchased off TC's) would/should be entitled to take back their land in the South creating many refugees in the RoC. I tried to have a grown up discussion with Juliet about it but, funnily enough, she didn't seem too keen to explore this aspect of a property solution!



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dt wrote ,,Those who insist on callng the one and only known example of "GC wrongdoing"



So you do accept that its a "wrongdoing" and what about no direct flights or embargoes against the TC,s and total non recognition of the North I would guess this would be a gross violation of their human rights as they are all "aparantly" within the EU



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dt... Why are you sure I would not "accept this" I am trying to absorb information by asking questions and listening to both sides of the coin. Please do not presume you know me and know what I would accept and would not accept.

I am one of the few and there probably are a few that would not fight to keep my place in TRNC if a GC had been forced of the land where my place is and had proven documented claim. If they wanted it back as they were going to live in it they could have it, or negotiate compensation on a scale that was brought in by the EU or who ever. IF it was proven to still belong to a displaced person or thier decendants, despite the fact that I purchased it in good faith.



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Hi The Wicks, yep seems to happen quite often to people who stay in Laura and Danny's place.



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dt... OK now at the time of the invasion you quote that there was 200,000 GC refugees from the North, now was that Men, Women and Children, families not individual house and land owners (just trying to get it into perspective) and just how many actually owned houses and land?? were any of them employees living in tied properties?? were any of them renting properties?? what is the likley hood bearing in mind that most people have bought new builds, that there was ever a property on the land where there are properties now? how many TC's lived in the North at the time and owned property, where there any??



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" all I know is I have to present my passport/ visa etc when passing from one side to the other"



Well actually one can present an ID card, and I have to do this when flying from Bristol to Belfast, but I'm not leaving the UK.. ;) I certain;y don't recognise "TRNC" by proving who I am... Did you know that Rauf Denktash said, "see? they ( GCs) show us their passports - they recognise us" .. THIS is the main reason 50% of GCs refuse to cross.



"I, like most people accept the status quo." .. ER, most people on Cyprus and most nations don't accept your "status quo"... in fact only TR DOES..



Only a fool refuses to obey the "laws" of a military backed regime, and when the official govt doesn't have any control ..



"I did not know Gary Robb was an elected official "... I wasn't aware the "DPM" was an "official" , either ;) The guarantee is worthless as the properties aren't his to "guarantee".. the ECHR will examine the decisions of *Turkey's* IPC and decide...



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dt.... "You cannot allow direct international flights into any garage with a runway that somone claims as an international airport"



Does this count for Larnaca then or not ?, and to answer your ramblings ask yourself this if you had treated people with more civility and humanity this mess would have been sorted out years ago.



The arrogance of some people !



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dt...

Thank you, know I wonder how many people actually would make a claim for the land and want to move back to the North or how many people are now resettled and just want money or then again how many people are settled have moved on and just want to get on with thier lives.

Anyway, I sincerely hope that the outcome of any talks or judgements etc allows people on both sides of the line to move on ammicably. It seems to be a difficult situation to solve.



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But Pikey why not build a new airport on GC owned land ?....and don't give me the old chesnut about Larnaca being the only place to build as we all know Paphos was built after Larnaca.





The nerve of certain people is mind boggling....



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trev why are you even bothering? what ever you say he will invent some answer to try to get one over on you. "defacto" regime of the so called TRNC is here to stay ! end of chat...



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Andy, you are right mate but Pikey is the maggot wriggling on the hook...........again !



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i hope the hook is a size 4/0 forged heavy steel , he wont wriggle of that !



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Mmm...



Re:

" all I know is I have to present my passport/ visa etc when passing from one side to the other" .... "Well actually one can present an ID card" ...



ok; nice to know a little more.



Re

"I, like most people accept the status quo." .. ER, most people on Cyprus and most nations don't accept your "status quo"... in fact only TR DOES..



I wasn't on about most people ... they are not the ones travelling through in my car with me... I am... so I respect the laws on both sides whilst doing so... am I wrong?



Re

" wasn't aware the "DPM" was an "official" , either"



Then what is he?



Joseph



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Why do we continually keep have to referring to pseudonyms such as Pikey, Macha and Cylad. This is becoming ridiculous. Either Izzet allows a poster to be here under their real identity or not. I prefer that we post openly under our own identity.



http://www.linkedin.com/pub/6/238/60



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http://www.insula.vecta.btinternet.co.uk/



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Dear Turtle, re msg 156



"why not build a new airport on GC owned land ?....and don't give me the old chesnut about Larnaca being the only place to build as we all know Paphos was built after Larnaca. "



You've not much up on the Geography / topography of Cyprus, are you, Turtle?



1/ When Nicosia International became a no go zone, the TCs took Tymbou ( Ercan)..



2/ The GCs were left with Paphos - 100 miles away...



Larnaca was a small airfield -far enough away from TR viewing points, and in betwen the UK SBA airport at Akrotiri and another north of the Eastern SBA



Do tell, WHERE would YOU have located the airport?



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SLAP................Slap.............slap.

















SPIDER.X



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Mark, why do you continuously have to try and belittle people, perhaps its in your nature or perhaps you are just a person who has to have the upper hand but hey ho you have to live with this not me.





What I meant *WAS* Paphos was a small airport nowhere near big enough to take the traffic and Larnaca was the obvious choice and a big poke in the eye for the north thats why it was built.

Now if you want score points on every subject that fine, but please act like an adult not some spoilt little boy who wants his own way all the time.



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Dear Turtle, re msg 165



"why do you continuously have to try and belittle people" - well in YOUR case it comes EASY..



You offer "one line retorts" and never back 'em up with some facts..



I hardly think that having to drive 35 miles to an airport that was very third world was a "poke in the eye"..



Face it, it is easy to be "superior" when one's "opponent" spouts nonsense.. and is obviously CLUELESS.



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Your opinion Mark, but your last post just proves mt point ?



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Hi Lem... well said.



But... I thought everyone knew Macha's name etc because to be fair he did point to one of his articles, under his name, on another tag ?



Reading Macha's profile I noticed it claimed an expertise on:

"psychological operations and information warfare"



Hope you're kidding on that one Macha



Lem ...particularly liked the story of Lucy Lightfoot, nothing like a good ghost/mystery story as the midnight hour approaches



Regards Joseph



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Dear Turtle, re msg 167



"your opinion Mark, but your last post just proves mt point ?"



No, Turtle.. I was being direct and factual - it needed saying. Many posters don't agree with me but we can "chew the fact"...



You are one of the few that like to "hand it out" but are clearly all at sea when delivered some hard facts.



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Hi mmmmmmmmm,



Re Larnaca Airport.



What I think you and a few others are carefully not acknowledging is that the term "Compulsory Purchase" refers to the act itself. i.e. the state requires the land and you will sell it to them whether you want to or not. What it does not do is suggest that said purchase be carried out at anything less than full market value.



See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_purchase



Now, if the GC gov reckons that 22k was full market value in 1974, plus interest if applicable, this gives us a starting figure for compensation, when applied, of GC property in the North, does it not?



Also please note that the word purchase actually refers to money changing hands in exchange for that which is purchased. Has the legal owner of the land in question actually been paid anything?



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Dear "TRNC"Vaughan, re msg 170



Maybe you missed it,on other boards but :



1/ assuming we can actually agree that the GCs had to locate and extend an airport somewhere



2/ and that the choices were very limited



They should have compensated the TCs adequately !



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i'm sure that the trnc gov here have built goverment facilities on gc land also.

which i guess will be treated in the same manner.



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Hi mmmmmmm,



You haven't really answered my questions.



I'm not so interested in why the GCs built Larnaca airport where they did. What I am trying to point out is that a compulsory purchase is one that is often done between a "willing" buyer and an "unwilling" seller. What it is not is a purchase that is done at less than at fair market value, such valuation open to appeal and independant valuation.

The GC goverment has set a precedent by valuing the land in question at 22k, this being 1974 value, plus nominal interest.



Having set that precedent can we now assume that they will now accept:



1. There is a case for compensation rather than return under certain circumstances, these circumstances to be decided not necessarily by the owner.

2. That 1974 value, plus nominal interest is a fair valuation for compensation on GC land in the North?



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Dear TRNC"Vaughan"



re msg 173



May be I'm not making myself clear.. I DON'T think the TCs who effectively have had land compulsorily purchased, have been correctly done by..



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... and I only wrote this in message # 1:> I've sent email to all applicants for the article "TRNC Deputy Prime Minister: "Property guarantee". <



And look how this thread has developed..! It's a fine proof of hijacking a thread.



PS. And I now have written several times that the link to the article on my server is deliberately broken - it cannot be viewed/downloaded anymore. PLEASE STOP SENDING ME EMAIL WITH REQUESTS. THANK YOU.



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Hi mmmmmmmmmm,



Well, that's clear enough, but how about my questions 1 and 2 in msg 173? Yes or No?



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TRNCVaughan, Re Msg 177



Good luck with that!



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Cylad message 174



When the knock comes old buddy, I'll be there. No worries, been there before.



There's many a slip twixt cup and lip. As you well know.



I'm still pissed off about my ancestor being cut off with 2 shillings in that old shit's will 500 years ago when the farm was left to his little brother!



Lem



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Kev, msg 162.



I have a feeling in my waterworks that someone will be getting the knock a lot sooner than he thinks!!!!!



Nuff said.



TRNC.....will he answer the question......NO

will he give a gargled reply.....YES.



Simple isn't it.



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Seems to be a significant amount of bantter relatting to Larnaca airport and the land it occupies.



The bigger picture is very clear. The Deputy Prime Minister of TRNC has felt secure enough to prenounce a security guarantee for property purchased in the TRNC.

Many will view this as a just another political statement from the Administration. Others will feel more secure in their assessment of risk. Everyone is entitled to their own interpretation of the said guarantee.



It is very clear to me that there is very little likelyhood of any return of land and properties to either TC's or GC,s. Of course the civil legal pedantics will continue but will continue to decline. The Property Commission, in my view, will emerge as the settlement route for the few remmaing claims.

Property issues, in the current political climate in the middle and near East will certainly be well down the agenda of the UN, EU Turkey and USA military aspirations.



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Dear "TRNC"Vaughan, re msg 151



We haven't got to the 170's in THIS thread yet.. if you are referring to another thread..



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Dear Warren, re msg 155



You KEEP making the mistake of thinking the ongoing legal processes will stop without a solution - they drive it..



Also, you KEEP, forgetting that beyond the "comfort zone" of this board your "admin" does what it is told by TURKEY... If you doubt me - as a some well respected TC posters.



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(cont) msg 157



"If you doubt me - asK a some well respected TC posters. " .. to clarify - this particularly refers to the Cyprus problem - not domestic internal issues.



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Hi mmmmmm,



Don't know what happened there. Try msg 148.



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Hi "TRNC" Vaughan, re msg 159



Aha, found it... I think the numbers got bugg*r*d up when a member's posts got deleted... it seems the Cyprus Lad - a Nedia consultant - is no more !! I wonder how long *I've* got ;) .. !



Well, I thought we'd covered this, but if my opinion counts YES - public works projects count as a reason to receive compo, and I've already said the compo the the "rump" RoC are talking about isn't good enough..



Please note, as a member has pointed out - the "TRNC" ain't that hot at settling up fairly - so I hope we're communicating away from our glasshouses ;) ?!



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Dryboak rises again from his ashes!



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Well well Dryboak

Thats a name from the past.



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Don't understand why many of you bother try to have a balanced argument with biased activists. no brainer really.



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mmmmmm

Msg 157



I fear that it is you sir that is mistaken.

Civil litigation is not the driving force to a Cyprus solution. The Cyprus problem arose well before litigation became a potential ticket for material gain. The clear international and political will is the driving force for solution.

The Cyprus Problem is ill suited for resolution in the Civil Courts.



I fully accept that the TRNC is supported by Turkey. This is acceptable and correct. The Administration is not however a puppet of the Turkish Government. I am happy to read any definitive evidence to support your theory. I am not amenable to unqualified evidence from unqualified posters or persons that are unable to be definitive.



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re msg 164 Thanks for your understanding , Paul ;)



re msg 165 , Warren



"I fear that it is you sir that is mistaken. " ... Thanks for the sir !



I'm talking about what will be a spur to *end* the CY prob - not what STARTED it !! Political will will be heightened if countries friendly to TR find they have unpleasant legal cases where they must unwillingly get involved.



"I fully accept that the TRNC is supported by Turkey. This is acceptable and correct."



Nearly, there, Warren..



"The Administration is not however a puppet of the Turkish Government" ..



REALLY ? ..



"I am happy to read any definitive evidence to support your theory. "



Now, I'm glad you mentioned that...a quote from the ECHR in a Judgement



"the Court had noted that Turkey exercised effective overall control of northern Cyprus through its military presence there, with the result that its responsibility under the Convention was engaged for the policies and actions of the "TRNC" authoritie



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Alsancak,

Cylad was removed last night and replaced by dryboak.. truly a sad demented lad that can not get on in life on his own.



A moderator just has to let Izzet know he is back and this vermin will be removed.....again. He is also using another name that will be revealed again shortly as he can not help himself.



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s Cont) from msg 166



"In the instant case, the Court stressed that Turkey’s responsibility under the Convention could not be confined to the acts of its own soldiers and officials operating in northern Cyprus but was also engaged by virtue of the acts of the local administration ("the TRNC"), which survived by virtue of Turkish military and other support."



I think that is pretty definitive and I respectively ask, sir , WHO is the poster who is "unqualified"... !



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