Should we ban adopting children overseas?

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
03/04/2009 13:23

The long-term effects of such migrations are hard to predict but should we call for more efforts to be made to house children in their country of birth, with proper support for domestic orphanages and adoption schemes rather than let foreigners adopt their children?

daisy dukes


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Message Posted:
03/04/2009 13:45

I don't see why not, after all, a child adopted is a child saved, what should it matter if the child has a different coloured skin...a child is a child in any creed or colour!!



DD

MsGarnet


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Message Posted:
03/04/2009 13:45

I think as Madonna has so much spare cash, she should put it all in to doing everything possible to keep children in their home country, with access to what relatives they have left, to know their culture, paradigms and anything and everything to do with their mother country. Why it would be beneficial to take a child from a third world country and have it brainwashed into the Kaballah faith, eat macrobiotic food and be raised by a plethora of nannies, rather than one/two main role models is beyond comprehension. She could 'save' thousands of children, with the money she has spent on 'saving' one..........unconscionable............a segue, but how pathetic to be squiring a young man of 22 around, when she is 50 (and looks 70), nothing with an age gap, but hey - none of us are fooled where she and Jesus were concerned, were we?

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
03/04/2009 13:47

MsGarnet - couldn't agree more.



Kabbalah! Whats wrong with a good old faith )

MsGarnet


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Message Posted:
03/04/2009 13:48

nothing WRONG with an age gap..........



Daisy



I don't think skin colour is the issue - the sooner the world doesn't see skin colour the better - the issue is best use of what Madonna can offer - educating, feeding, nurturing thousands of children, rather than one or two. To take a child away from living family is wrong, in my opinion - she should support them in whatever way it takes, to stay together.........

britvic



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Message Posted:
03/04/2009 13:49

Being adopted myself, I feel it doesn't matter whom a child is adopted by as long as they are loved, at the end of the day this is all a child needs, regardless of colour or creed.

daisy dukes


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Message Posted:
03/04/2009 13:55

These countries get tons of money from various charities and fund raisers...100's of millions, if they can't sort it out their countries with all these handouts, what difference would a few quid from Madonna or Angelina make...at least one or a few as in Angelina's case, get saved from a life of poverty and/or sickness!



DD

Blackie


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Message Posted:
03/04/2009 14:00

Breaking news. I believe that Madonna has made Manchester City an offer for Shaun Wright Phillips.

hattikins


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Message Posted:
03/04/2009 14:11

The application for the adoption has been rejected.

ROBnJO


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Message Posted:
03/04/2009 14:13

More breaking news!



Madonna has had her application for adoption turned down.

spider


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Message Posted:
03/04/2009 14:13

No.1 NO.no.my youngest daughter is just going to try the IVF treatment.and just hope it works for them..if not i would give every last drop of my money to help her any way possible for them to be parents..she has had a terrible time of it ,she lost one Tube,through bad appendix opp as a child.and then had an eptopic pregnacy last year,

They dote on our grandchildren,and our prayers are that they manage to have some children together soon.

it is their 1st wedding annerversary today,although they have been together 11yrs..so you can understand me saying a great big NO..children need love.and a good chance in life, Spider,x

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
03/04/2009 14:18

I understand spider. It's cases like this where you think twice. I hope everything works out for her and her husband.



Bill

spider


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Message Posted:
03/04/2009 14:22

thanks bill, we have to belive it will. X

















Spider,x

hattikins


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Message Posted:
03/04/2009 15:14

To adopt a child because you genuinely want one is fine, but to adopt one as a publicity stunt is not acceptable. Children are a gift, not a right.

MsGarnet


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Message Posted:
03/04/2009 16:08

Daisy



I am not being offensive when I say I sense you are young, and not a parent. Yes countries in straitened circumstances receive millions in aid BUT you are forgetting their (in general) corrupt governments, which affects the aid reaching those most in need. In Malawi the President was accused of awarding fraudulent contracts, and government officials achieved new lows when they sold off all 160,000 tons of the country’s grain reserves for personal profit. In the ensuing famine, provoked by drought and floods but made worse by the loss of the grain reserves, the government had to borrow an additional $28 million to feed its starving people. It is MUCH better that solvent people like Brangelina and Madonna go to the country direct, build accommodation and provide foodstuffs etc: directly to those in need, bypassing the middle man. If you were raised in a different country and in a different faith and culture to that of your mother country, how would you feel? Knowing you

MsGarnet


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Message Posted:
03/04/2009 16:12

could have remained in your country of birth and been supported in your upbringing on site, with your remaining relatives. Thousands of children can be raised and saved by the above process, for the money being spent on David being raised in USA by (in the main) people unrelated to Madonna, being paid to look after him, with little emotional attachment bar doing their job. For Madonna to say he will receive the best education to enable him to go back to Malawi and help that country - why would he automatically want to go back to mud huts, inclement weather, suspect food, corruption, meeting relatives he has no connection with any more, leaving a life of luxury for one of (relatively) abject poverty. Just because Madonna wants him to do that, doesn't mean he will. I fail to understand why you think 'saving' one child, by taking him from his provenance and all he would have known, to 'saving' literally thousands, enabling them on site, to make a better life for themselves and for

MsGarnet


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Message Posted:
03/04/2009 16:13

those that follow after them.

daisy dukes


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Message Posted:
03/04/2009 16:26

MsGarnet,

you are right, i do not have children, and (i appreciate the sentiment) i am not young either. If these African governments keep squandering and stealing money that has been donated to them, why do we keep on raising the money for them?? What would be the point in her (madonna) giving them even more money for their pockets?? Although it may seem Madonna is adopting for publicity, what i think she is in fact doing, is raising awareness for the said country, and also giving the child the CHOICE as to wether he may want to go back to help one day....,



DD

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
03/04/2009 16:44

I am glad Madonna has been turned down..leave these children with their extended families and I agree with cylad..let them just get another dog..

juliet


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Message Posted:
03/04/2009 17:06

well said Dee, she should send some of her cash to help these poor childen if she wants to be a good samaritan, what is it with these celebs adopt one and leave the other million to starve....

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
03/04/2009 17:12

dee and juliet - agree with you both.

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
03/04/2009 17:12

Juliet we certainly agree on this..I am sick to death of over inflated ego's and their millions interfering in these children's lives..they do not care who they hurt as long as their ego's are nursed, well her's has taken a bruising ...good...she should invest millions for all these poor little ones, not decide which one she will 'save'..her and that bloody angelina jolie make my blood boil.

juliet


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Message Posted:
03/04/2009 17:18

likewise dee

MsGarnet


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Message Posted:
03/04/2009 17:26

Daisy



That was my point, Madonna ISN'T giving money to corrupt Governments, what she can do is give millions DIRECTLY to builders and watch them build homes, schools, she can fly directly to the homes and schools, with household equipment and school equipment - she can fly whatever is needed (contraception, food, whatever........) to the country and give it in the hands of those that need them. As to choice? From what I read, she said that she is giving David the best education so that he can go back to Malawi and help his country - what if he doesn't want to go backwards (as he may well see it) in his life? he will be made to feel guilty..........he may also be very, very angry he knows little of his provenance by having been removed from it and his Father (who is still alive) as nothing and no-one can turn the clock back.

spangles


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Message Posted:
03/04/2009 19:02

Let's see if Madonna continues to give the money now that her application has been turned down. It will be a shock for her to find out that she can't buy everything. She may as well take up with toyboy Jesus again - as she ditched him to protect her image for the adoption.

Will she just move on to a different country/different child?

The-Wicks


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Message Posted:
03/04/2009 19:25

No doubt it will come as a huge shock to the truly hideous Madonna that she cannot buy everything she wants. We were talking about this at work today and we all agree, as do most posters here on this subject, that she could indeed offer a lot of children a much better life - it would work out as "small change" to her. Her and that bloody Angelina Jolie are both crackers in my opinion - oh, and let's not forget - both seem to believe in their own publicity - always a mistake.



I'm glad her application has been turned down.

simbas



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Message Posted:
03/04/2009 19:33

Just been watching the 5oclock news , it said there is still every chance that little Mercy could still be adopted by Maddona .

Simbas

ROBnJO


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Message Posted:
03/04/2009 19:46

Never mind Malawi, I think Madonna would even be rejected as an adoptive mother in the UK.



She is not usually at home, she does not allow her children TV, Internet, Console games, etc. (though they may be allowed to watch their mother cavorting, half naked, on DVD). They have a strict vegan diet and their view of life would be from behind tinted car windows with a couple of 'minders' on board.



"Mummy,.. can I have some friends round?"



"Sure darling,.. after they have been checked out for Aids or Infectious Diseases, and frisked by our security guys. Then one of the maids will cook them some lovely beansprouts and lentils, for after their workout in the gym."



"I know I'll be at a concert in Tokyo,.. but I'll keep an eye on you from the CCTV."







She's also knocking on a bit at 50 for adopting!

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
04/04/2009 21:52

You are right Rob. She's a has been...

sienna


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Message Posted:
04/04/2009 23:36

money ususal wins Simbas - why doens't she donate her millions for doing good to all the children !



naughty boy cylad !! she would proabaly eat you for breakfast even Guy couldn't handle it...... the adoptions of course !

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
04/04/2009 23:40

Unlike us in the trnc - there is no guarantee that she'll get what she wants.

Yvonne



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Message Posted:
04/04/2009 23:44

Hi, I think it's important to distance the subject of adopting children from other countries from the likes of Madonna and A Jolie, as they are the exception rather than the rule.

If a child is in an orphanage, or the child's family want to put it up for adoption because they can't offer it the standard of life they want to, it's ok. I feel if a family/person adopt a child from some other country, it is their responsibility to ensure that child is aware of its culture/country etc.

I myself was adopted;at 6 weeks old. My birth mother was going to go to England to have me, but was persuaded to have me here, in Dublin, Ireland.

Every child should have the opportunity to live a full life, free of hunger, disease and lack of education and shelter.

We are priviledged to be living in parts of the world where these are not issues, and if a person can offer a child the standard of life every child is entitled to, I can't see that it is bad.

Y

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
04/04/2009 23:51

Yvonne, Madonna will not be bringing the child up in the Christian faith, as the childs family has been brought up for generations. Instead she will bring the child up under the Kabbalah religion.

As for the culture, the boy David, that she adopted two years ago, couldn't even communicate with his own father last week.

MsGarnet


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Message Posted:
05/04/2009 01:17

Yvonne



You cannot mean (I feel sure you don't mean) that every child should have the standard of life Madonna offers; macrobiotic food, no television, magazines, newspapers, computer/internet, brainwashed into the faith of Kabbalah (one wonders, did she have David circumcised? as Madonna's professed Faith, Jewish, would dictate that to happen, even though he was born a Christian) homeschooled (ergo isolated iin every context from the life their peers enjoy). Having the house full of books with pictures of their 'mother' naked, books written by her, videos of her, and every child having a different father, being raised by nannies employed by their lone parent mother..........hardly ideal on any level. The grandmother of the little girl was told by the orphanage they would raise her until the age of six, then her Gran would be given her back.........surely, the preferable option overall..........