Question for Marky Mark on Es Deger land

vincehugo


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Message Posted:
03/04/2009 15:08

The Annan Plan is dead, but I think we have previously agreed that a future solution regarding property is likely to be based on the Annan approach.



With this in mind I am keen to understand how you believe Annan treated "foreigners" i.e. non TC's who have purchased Es Deger (TRNC Exchange) land.



I believe that it treated "foreigners" owning Es Deger land in exactly the same way as it treated TC's. And furthermore that it didn't matter when the Es Deger land was purchased by the foreigner.



Do you agree?

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
03/04/2009 18:07

vincehugo. I am very surprised that all the m's has not got back to you on this -he is normally very quick at responding to these types of threads.



I would guess that he is composing his response very carefully. Mind you he could have given you a simple answer like - Yes, I agree.



He should be along in a minute. )

vincehugo


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Message Posted:
03/04/2009 19:05

Tick tock!

Turtle


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Message Posted:
03/04/2009 21:43

Get ready for war & peace......zzzzzzzzzzz

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
03/04/2009 22:24

Tick Tock......

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
03/04/2009 23:00

Tick Tock....

kaiserphil


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Message Posted:
04/04/2009 00:37

It must be the Guinness, can't think what else would dry him up!

vincehugo


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Message Posted:
04/04/2009 00:41

ZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Tiggy


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Message Posted:
04/04/2009 00:41

writers cramp?

Turtle


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Message Posted:
04/04/2009 00:47

Don't fret people.....any time now !

kaiserphil


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Message Posted:
04/04/2009 01:13

Maybe he's retired now?

guinness


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Message Posted:
04/04/2009 02:03

RE: msg 7



I object to that !



Guin

vincehugo


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Message Posted:
04/04/2009 02:27

Maybe tomorrow ... maybe someday!

vincehugo


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Message Posted:
04/04/2009 11:03

Some people seem to be up and about early today. But selective about which threads they wade into.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
04/04/2009 11:59

Vincehugo. multiple m's will not respond because he knows you are right. He doesn't have a case to put forward. Plus, we have the Guarantee.

simbas



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Message Posted:
04/04/2009 12:08

Morning Bill , what guarantee is that then ? { only jesting }

Have a good w/e , Pat

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
04/04/2009 12:16

Morning Pat. It's the Guarantee given by the Deputy Prime Minister. I'm sure you must have heard about it, everyones talking about it. I hear the Estate Agents are busier than ever in the trnc. I bet the borders will be busy today what with everyone coming over from the south looking for Guaranteed properties.



Have a good day.



Bill

vincehugo


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Message Posted:
04/04/2009 13:14

No1 Re Msg 15



I guess I'm an optimist at heart and think that Mmmmm is the sort of guy who will admit when/if he has got it wrong.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
04/04/2009 13:53

Dear VinceHugo, re msg 17



MM refers you to his multiple responses and your continued in ability to comprehend..



He is NOT going to repeat himself .. You have been told that many times .. MM is happy for you , or anyone else to draw their own conclusions ;)

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
04/04/2009 13:56

Mark, short and sweet. Unlike you, but glad you agree. )

vincehugo


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Message Posted:
04/04/2009 14:16

Mark Re Msg 19



Why is it so hard for you to answer a straightforward question?



And I had to laugh at the suggestion that you are NOT going to repeat yourself. You are famous for repeating the same old stuff on these boards.



But please don't turn your inability to answer a question into my inability to comprehend. I am quite capable of comprehending an answer - just waiting to hear one from you.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
04/04/2009 15:06

re msg 21, Vincehugo..



"but please don't turn your inability to answer a question into my inability to comprehend."







You have had the courtesy of my reply - merely repeating an untruth won't make it more true.. if you have a reading comprehension ....

vincehugo


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Message Posted:
04/04/2009 16:53

Re Msg 22



But that's the problem Mark. I haven't had the courtesy of a reply to my question!



What untruth am I repeating?



and what exactly do you mean by ".. if you have a reading comprehension ..." It isn't English as I know it!



I really do not understand what

vincehugo


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Message Posted:
04/04/2009 16:54

Re Msg 22



But that's the problem Mark. I haven't had the courtesy of a reply to my question!



What untruth am I repeating?



and what exactly do you mean by ".. if you have a reading comprehension ..." It isn't English as I know it!



I really do not understand what you are saying. (Sorry, pressed Send a bit too hastily)

vincehugo


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Message Posted:
04/04/2009 21:50

Mark,



Is it my interpretation of the Annan Plan that you are referring to as an untruth? Is this as close as you are going to get to saying that you don't agree with it?

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
04/04/2009 21:54

Come on Mark, clear this matter up once and for all. You know it makes sense

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
04/04/2009 21:56

Dear Bill,

I *cleared* it up.. ALL Vincehugo has to do is read my response - this is the last time I will respond on the topic..

vincehugo


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Message Posted:
04/04/2009 22:07

Mark. Why is this so hard for you?



I can honestly say that, despite reading the relevant posts many times, I have not found the answer to my question. If it's there, PLEASE point me to it.



(Or if anyone else thinks they can find Mark's answer I'd be happy to hear from them)



Wouldn't it be even easier just to give me the answer - two or three letters is all you need to type.



This "Read my response" approach sounds awfully like an avoidance tactic.



You now say you are not going to respond any more on this topic. That makes it sound awfully like you wish it would all go away because you know you are going to have to eat humble pie and accept that you have mis-represented the Annan Plan to your GC friends.



Come on Mark, have the courage of your convictions.

andre 514


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Message Posted:
04/04/2009 22:26

vincehugo,



think you condemned yourself to a winde-up:

mark excels at spewing un declarations and chewing-over reunification plans



but a failed re-unification is exactly what it says on the tin

and "failed" to my mind doesn't mean "maybe not really failed"

to choose a topical metaphor that's a dead cert failiure

and not a 100-1 outsider romping it despite all predictions



since the two sides fear and distrust each other as much as ever,

it's also an "organic failiure" and not at all a "fall at the final hurdle"



and the only person to gain anything from talking up all these failiures,

is the one who wants to get the knife into lovely north cyprus

vincehugo


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Message Posted:
05/04/2009 11:45

Andre Re Msg 29



Don't know about a wind up but I find it staggering that someone who has such strong opinions on many things is so blatantly ducking this one.

andre 514


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Message Posted:
07/04/2009 19:52

I would stake my life on the fact that mark has something to gain from "reunification" otherwise why go to such time and trouble

when you don't have a stake in the place?



my latest guess is that he is looking for some extra business in the north

when it is "liberated"



mark is not such a bad bloke otherwise...

even though north cyprus was actually liberated back in 1974 of course

andre 514


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Message Posted:
07/04/2009 22:47

so it looks like my instinct about mark is correct...



ps



I am neither "for" nor "against" reunification and cannot work with hypotheses

and it is really not up to me since I am a non-cypriot

but it is clear that the two sides are at least as far apart as ever,

and I am more than happy to explain once again my reasoning on this score,

so where is the deal?



disappointing that so many wish themselves into "surreality"

to use mark's original expression, reluctant to accept the obvious

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
07/04/2009 22:57

Andre

Everyone knows including Mark that re-unification will never happen, a solution to the 'Cyprus problem' will happen but at what cost and to whom? The feeling I am getting (and it is getting stronger by the day) is that unless the ROC capitulate on some of their demands then the TRNC and Turkey will continue to hold all of the right cards.

My personal opinion of course but one born out of extensive research.

Take care

AJ

vincehugo


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Message Posted:
08/04/2009 02:10

Good stuff guys, but I'd just like Mark to answer a simple question with a straightforward answer. In my opinion, all this spouting he does counts for nothing if he can't actually deal with facts.

andre 514


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Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
08/04/2009 02:44

aj,



talking up the negociations is of course a measure bourne of desperation



all of us would be glad to see both cypruses get on in a friendly way,

but rack my brains as I might I just cannot see any basis for an agreed deal



the supposed "optimists" have some very good reasons to puff the chances:



firstly it may scare ex-pats off buying thinking they would have to pay compo



secondly it is supposed to underline the "power" of the roc to get exactly the agreement they want and send the anatolians and exchange owners packing



thirdly it would help retain all original gc property deeds for eventual "recovery"



lastly, in one individual case it appears to be linked to a future business project



sadly there are members whom through misplaced guilt or tilting at windmills,

are keen to "pay off" their tormentors in south cyprus...

although said regime have never shown enthusiasm for agreed compensation



long live kktc/long live trnc title deeds

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
08/04/2009 08:55

Dear AJ, re msg 33



"Everyone knows including Mark that re-unification will never happen"



>>>>> I certainly don't agree with that statement ! <<<<<<



"a solution to the 'Cyprus problem' will happen but at what cost and to whom?"



>>>>..and the solution will involve "reunification" - one state - bi-zonal and federated autonomous regions..COST? Compromise on both sides..



Kindly read all the big players speeches on CY.. "we support the UN concept of a solution on Cyprus based on the UN model of ...<<<<



"unless the ROC capitulate on some of their demands then the TRNC and Turkey will continue to hold all of the right cards. "



>>>> COMPROMISES will come from both sides - mainly on the property issue<<<<<



"My personal opinion of course but one born out of extensive research."



>>>>> Sadly, AJ, you have demonstrated that your research has NOT been well conducted re the vast majority of the indigenous inhabitants of the island ..just my opinion of course ;) ! <<<<

andre 514


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Message Posted:
08/04/2009 10:41

mark msg 36





"support the un concept"





how...



body bags?



a botched invasion like smyrna in 1923?



intensified isolations?



wait another 35 years for turkey's change of heart?



gentlest persuasion on cyprus 44?



much-hyped but failing talks?



answers oin a postcard please to:





mr dreambox, acacia villas, limassol, republic of cyprus

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
08/04/2009 11:51

Dearest Andre_514, re msg 37



You carry on with the living in the past bit, sarcasm and a healthy does of "fear of the unknown"





In the REAL world, hopefully the Cypriots have representatives who DON'T pander to foreigners more worried about their "pad" than a lasting workable, equitable solution !



Q: How do YOU know the talks are "failing" ?





It'll be down to what the people of the island want - hopefully they will have wiser counsel than you !

vincehugo


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Message Posted:
08/04/2009 15:20

Mmmmm Re Msg 38



"It'll be down to what the people of the island want - hopefully they will have wiser counsel than you !"



Hopefully they won't be coming to you for an interpretation of any proposed plans for a solution. Wouldn't want you to mis-advise them again.

cronos


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Message Posted:
08/04/2009 15:46

mmmmmm....msg 38



"In the REAL world, hopefully the Cypriots have representatives who DON'T pander to foreigners more worried about their "pad" than a lasting workable, equitable solution !"



Unfortunately many Brits still have an Empire mentality and still expect the world to revolve around their needs even when they are guests in a foreign country.



Let's hope the Cypriot people all get a just and fair solution......which is not too detrimental to the interests of foreigners who love the country and have invested there.

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
08/04/2009 15:53

Mark



When you say "It'll be down to what the people of the island want" does that include people both sides of the line?

andre 514


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Message Posted:
08/04/2009 16:07

msg 38



I agree with you 100% mark when you say:

"it'll be down to what the people of the island want"



and as we both know, the citizens of the roc mostly want the failed 1960

system back, now called "majority rule" rather than "power sharing"



but my contacts in north cyprus mainly want freedom from control by nicosia

with the trnc recognised and turkey as permanent guarantor of their safety



so you can see we have...all necessary ingredients for permanent partition!



and as you would say it is what they wish on themselves,

not any choice made by the likes of you or me for our immediate benefit