UBP / DP to Power? hope not! - great step backwards

Soothsayer


Joined: 19/11/2008
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
08/04/2009 12:14

Just to let you know: UBP / DP to power - hope not! How can TRNC people forget all the involvments of UBP / DP clans in mafia - Ergenekon associations! How should they forget the bombings made during REAL Turkish cypriot peace meetings in lefkosa? The bombing on Talats house just before he became president?

If UBP or DP wins the election - Ergenekon Turkey has won its dirty war in the cyprus issue. The dream of a solution will slide into a nightmare. Forget joining European Union but prepare of beeing a part of Turkey. If your tukish is good read this: http://www.haberhavadis.com/NewsDetails.aspx?NID=26251 this explains all what UBP/DP it is all about.. UBP / DP was never REAL turkish cypriot but influenced by national Turkish views. This did not change for 30 years. It would be a great step backwards. CTP is the only move forward, even if hey struggel to do so.. Dont forget: They are quite new and have to clean a lot of mess up from UBP / DP 20 years regime. This takes time!

murat


Joined: 28/02/2008
Posts: 59

Message Posted:
08/04/2009 12:41

those are all story which written by CTP supporters. can you tell me what they done last 5 years. CTP is the real mafia. can you explain why CTP decided to do early elections. why we are using the most expencive electric in north cyprus. what they done for eu. what they done for the self employers.

what they done for the foreigners who bought land and house in north cyprus.

and what they done for the economy.

Soothsayer


Joined: 19/11/2008
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
08/04/2009 13:05

sure.. storys.. documents found in turkey written by CTP? unbelievable.. you are just one of them trying to pull people on the wrong side.. anyhow, time will answer all!

Early elections: because UBP / DP did not join ANY parlament discussions but received payment in full!! - TAX MONEY I PAYED FOR!!

Expensive electric: Teknecik which burns Fuel oil, which is the most expensive way to produce electric was a decission by UBP - so this answer you in full if you now use your brains to think!

For the EU? Sorry, you shold know that there is an "inofficial" EU contact office in NORTH Cyprus - and this was surely not an UBP initiative..

Economy was down and is down. Its was down at UBP times and still is. BUT: the construction boom was surely a part where many got rich! no body complains about that?? ha? UBP?

You have to live with that. As I said before: Dont forget: They are quite new and have to clean a lot of mess up from UBP / DP 20 years regime. This takes time!

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
08/04/2009 13:32

Re msg by Soothsayer and Murat: This can become a very interesting thread. I hope you both use less slogans and give more facts.



I'm particularly interested in your views on the CTP/ÖRP (an unnecessary party of defectors imo or...?) government and its involvement in solving the hundreds (thousands?) of building problems expats experience now for years and years.

memduh


Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 166

Message Posted:
08/04/2009 13:45

you keep saying its a big mess to clean up but dont you think they should of started a long time ago instead of now so that they dont lose any votes. if ctp does the best for its country thats the reason why so many belediye workers of different party's are not getting paid because the belediye does not get the money it needs to give to its workers off of the government....

Soothsayer


Joined: 19/11/2008
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
08/04/2009 13:49

neither UBP nor CTP will be able to solve this - or want to solve this - as ALL parties are involved.. Look at Denktaş Jr involvement with SERCEM - Cafer Gürcafers involvement with CTP - unfortuatelly they are all one in this subject.. The Expats will struggle on. The only hope is joninig the EU and under the applicate EU laws to solve the property matters, also the motgaged land etc..

Now here it comes: UBP / DP are not willing to join the EU under the agreed points. This means they are not willing to solve anything. Anyhow, the scandal is on the way, Eroğlu (UBP) will be brought to court because of very bad involvements with Turkish nationalists organisation ERGENEKON. I think it will be in Cyprus today on saturday.. Happy Easter

Aussie


Joined: 17/06/2007
Posts: 657

Message Posted:
08/04/2009 13:56

Whilst its impossible to fully understand local politics as an outsider its obvious the current government has been a poor economic manager and made a lot of mistakes.



I also understand that the previous UBP governments left a lot to be desired.



Ideally at totally new approach to running the TRNC government is required but unfortunately its unlikely any other parties can achieve enough votes and have the vision to do so.



Aussie

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
08/04/2009 14:12

Article in cyprus-mail.com today go to news to read it.

Soothsayer


Joined: 19/11/2008
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
08/04/2009 14:22

re mssg. 5: how should they solve in 5 years all the mess left behind of 20 more years miss-ruling? Most of the belediyes which dont pay their workers are in UBP hands (POLITICS!!) and had spend far to much of their budget, this is why finacial minister gave most of them a bill to pay back to the government, which they didnt do acctually. They dont pay their workes so they make some kind of election campain and blame the government. BUT: it seems the UBP belediyes still have enough money to (illegally) help the UBP election teams to make up some meeting points and support them in preperational works such as seen in Alsancak/Lapta and Güzelyurt.... You believe this, they have no money? This is politics, keeping your empoyers short and blame it on CTP so they vote for UBP! This is like "catching" kids with sweeties..

Soothsayer


Joined: 19/11/2008
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
08/04/2009 14:38

very good article by cyprus mail which points it out what I was saying - UBP / DP full with criminals. Lets see what they will answer to this:

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=45072&cat_id=1

Aussie


Joined: 17/06/2007
Posts: 657

Message Posted:
08/04/2009 15:59

Both of these parties have an appalling record in allowing the size of the largely unproductive public sector swell to massive proportions.



Instead of acting to substantially reduce the size of the public service the CTP instead expanded it considerably further strangling the economy and necessitating substantial tax, fee and fine increases by its own admittion to pay the wages bill.



Whoever takes government needs to deal with this.



Aussie

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
08/04/2009 16:57

1. I have never voted for UBP in all my life simply because they are the ones who set up a system of governance based on "favours". Back in 1977 when I wanted a telephone line to my house and it seemed never never I was advised to go and get a favour note from a local political minister and get it done. I refused and never voted for that party and never will.



2. I voted for CTP last time but not this time because they have failed miserably. I am aware of the fact that as a political party they have come under unbearable pressure from the public for "favours". In a way this also reflects the quality of the electorate but this is no excuse for me. They came to power claiming that they will balance the income and current expenditure (except for infrastructure) but they increased the numbers of already overcrowded civil service. If Talat had remained as Prime minister I would have voted for CTP but the person who replaced him was not the man for the job.

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
08/04/2009 17:08

I know him very well and consider him a friend but that is besides the point. The party do have better men to do the job and I think the current PM will have to resign after the elections. So I hope something good will come out of this election.



3. The current junior coalition partner ÖRP has no chance at all and to me is a collection of people after personal gain.



4. Demokrat Party with Serdar Denktash at the helm will manage to have 5-10 PMs and is likely to be the king maker in a future coalition.



5. TDP under the Psychiatrist Cakici hopefully will get poll more than the required 5% minimum votes and get into parliament with about 3-5 MPS. Rashit Pertev recently closed down his HP party and joined them. He is a decent fellow and he gets my vote. Their biggest handicap is inexperience but they have to start somewhere and proceed. They can be the alternative to CTP with similar policies but less fanatical on socialist policies



6. The rest are not worth mentioning

ismet

berkeh2001


Joined: 28/02/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
08/04/2009 20:16

first of all hi to everyone iam afraid to say soothsayer you do not know what you are talking about ergenokon ????????? there is no such thing that denktas or eroglu are involved in such a thing so i suggest for you who ever put you up for this you should get your facts straight because you do not know what you are talking about and if these are just ferdi soyers games he is trying to play because he is going to lose the election oh and dont worry to much because he has dropped him self in it big time as we speak he is going to be in hot water for these false accusation s and if you want to get your facts straight come and see me at the lapta UBP office tomorrow

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
08/04/2009 20:22

alls fair in love, war and politics top the winner the spoils.

Soothsayer


Joined: 19/11/2008
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
08/04/2009 21:01

berkeh, you are brain washed and are not following the world news: There is something like ERGENEKOn - even kids know by now - and yes, it was always thought about but now its gets prooven slowly slowly how deep DP / UBP Denktaş Eroğlu clans are involved.. Dream on! no Ergenekon.. this is the UBP face. Deny until you die. Even with evidence. Dont fool yourself!

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
08/04/2009 21:44

I'm afraid the level of this virtual political meeting is degrading quickly. Too bad.



Maybe some dedicated questions will bring our TC friends back on trail?



Q : How is it possible that the new by-pass is not ready yet, although CTP/ÖRP officials have announced the completion of the final stage time and time again?



Q : What did the CTP/ÖRP government do to help the failing tourism sector?



Q : What is positive on the CTP/ÖRP list regarding the building disaster (and the way many expats were dragged into this disaster)?



(More questions in store, but let's start with the above Q's).

Soothsayer


Joined: 19/11/2008
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
08/04/2009 22:55

Bypass: legal courts in TRNC (property) and a bancrupt Turkish contractor! - well turism, look at the numbers and you will see that turism income has risen about 200% in ctp times. nowadays lots of YOU guys who were turist in the past own a house or whatever you call it and are no longer turists. also to mention that worldwide turism has gone backwards. so, what should the government do about this? pay on top of the flights? to make it more attractive? with which money? this is why they want a solution to the cyprus problem.. direct flights!!!!

positive about the building desaster? sorry, its the fault of each individual who buys offplan and pays full in advance.. you have this in spain, malta, greece.. so why complain? time / courts will solve.. and dont worry, if you buy to cheap you should have kown that there is something wrong with that.. what do you expect? anyhow.. UBP will solve your problems.. They will win. hope they do a good job. Talk to you in 5 years again.

murat


Joined: 28/02/2008
Posts: 59

Message Posted:
08/04/2009 23:04

msg 3 can you answer what CTP done last 5 years for the trnc.and can you tell me does CTP belevis TRNC. and what does TRNC means for you. why 3000 people are working at the south.

the game is over for CTP........

murat


Joined: 28/02/2008
Posts: 59

Message Posted:
08/04/2009 23:07

and we are still waiting for the direct fly from europ to ercan since 2004.

was it in your last story?

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
08/04/2009 23:13

Tourism income has risen about 200% in CTP times, that might be more to do with the increased Taxes and charges on everything. in CTP times.

Soothsayer


Joined: 19/11/2008
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
08/04/2009 23:38

THe saints: As I said before: Its hard to get things right in just 5 years ! I dont say CTP is perfect - but what happend is that UBP ruled this county down in more than 20 years.. Why do 3000 peolpe work in south? becouse the borders are open! They would have worked also in UBP times, or what will UBP do to get them back? put them into official positions in the state?

look into the facts, researches and then make up you mind. ubp is catching you with sweeties.. like they always did before.. same tactics.. same position.. nothing changed. And all these ERGNEKON files, why do you ignore them? this is a serous matter.. for all TRUE TCs!!

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
08/04/2009 23:52

I just want the Local people to get a fair deal and then only maybe as a distant after thought the Foreign contingency/home owners may start to get one too.

berkeh2001


Joined: 28/02/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
09/04/2009 00:44

dear soothsayer answer this question please do you or anyone have any proof that denktash or eroglu is involved in ergenkon ?? and i shall answer it for you NO because ctp and ferdi knows they are going to lose the election and he has lost the plot and is trying to stir things up but it will not work because they are in dreamland and also i can prove that ctp since they have been in power they have been the worst goverment in cyprus especially against the expats show me one good positve thing what they have done but if anyone wants to se how they have ruined cyprus i can show you

Soothsayer


Joined: 19/11/2008
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
09/04/2009 02:27

the saints: just an easy question: how do you finance a system whithout any income? without any working economy because of embargoes? with a big mess to be cleaned? with 100s of bancrupt builders? whom - with which money should you save? turkey did cut support.. eu moneys are hardly availlable becouse of GCs intervention.. so what else to do? you rise the taxes, this is how it is.. but still, electricity is not more expensive than europe, the prices for food are fair for an island - if you compare with other EU islands - even the south side having to pay much less transportation cost, is in some cases more expensive than TRNC. cant be so bad ha? a few days ago people were talking here on the forum what good to buy here and what to buy on the other side.. berkeh, who ruined what? what UBP will ruin, we will all see if they should win the elections..

Soothsayer


Joined: 19/11/2008
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
09/04/2009 02:31

Elko, you are a honourable man, in your views with Cakıcı, I completly agree.. TCs should give more attention to his party TDP instead of UBP / DP and ÖRp.. Soyer is very exited, but Kalyoncu lacks the inner support.. maybe they will bring him if they should win.. he is a very brave man. Hope they do so.. Best would be an TDP - CTP coalition with equal seats.. what a fun.. anyhow.

Soothsayer


Joined: 19/11/2008
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
09/04/2009 02:39

Berkeh: you dont need to answer anyting. I did not ask for. Courts will say whats right or whats wrong. Fact is ERGENEKON is real. Fact is there is a paper telling in details the involvement of Eroğlu and Denktaş, even others. If this paper was prepared by CTP - well, respect - good work. BUT: As far as I know this documents came in from Turkish public prosecutors; state's attorneys! So who is lying, we will all see very soon.. You can show your proof to your village UBP follower but not me. I have seen UBP for tooooo long and I give CTP another five HUNDRED years before I vote for Mafia/Ergenekon and similar..

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
09/04/2009 02:53

So Soothsayer, how about making things a little easier for those people you want to tax, make it simpler for immigrants to start businesses that can contribute to the islands economy there is a wealth of talent and experience on the island but it is wasted. People from all walks of life that if it where simpler would start international endevours and bring new ideas and work to the island but because of the chaotic administration people give up. I bought in the North because I am hoping to see change, I am hoping to see it get easier to start a business, get jobs, buy your property properly with the builders and administration doing everything in a timely manner and conforming to regulations where the buyer is protected. Where the GOVT learns from it's mistakes and moves on. Am I getting through to you yet. we know it does not happen overnight but something could have happened in 5 years and they way should have been paved for the next 5 it is called forward planning.

Izzet



Joined: 01/12/2006
Posts: 920

Message Posted:
09/04/2009 03:25

I'd like to draw attention to Message 12 and 13 by Elko.



Ismet is a wise man and he summed up the situation very well I think.



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Will TCs go back to UBP times, or will they give another chance to CTP?



I wish we had more live debate on tv, like in america when they choose a president. So that, more and more people will make an informed choice which will be better for the country and themselves, rather than voting on the basis of getting "favours"...

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
09/04/2009 08:15

RE msg 19, Soothsayer : > positive about the building desaster? sorry, its the fault of each individual who buys offplan and pays full in advance.. you have this in spain, malta, greece.. so why complain? time / courts will solve.. and dont worry, if you buy to cheap you should have kown that there is something wrong with that.. what do you expect? anyhow.. UBP will solve your problems.. They will win. hope they do a good job. Talk to you in 5 years again. <



=> Is this answer (also) quoted from the official CTP party program? Or is it just what expats think you CTP-ers think for years now? Each individual is at fault etc. and it's common around the Mediterranean etc.! You and your party have a lot to learn about honesty in the building business then. I don't say the situation is perfect in Western Europe, but many governments would crack down on crooks in the building business. But here it's the fault of the poor, cheated buyers! What a laugh - if it weren't so sad.

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
09/04/2009 08:37

Hi Peeps.

These politics make me laugh out loud there you have people slagging each others parties and arguing with each other on here and saying things like what they done for the economy, what they done for self employed, well My friend asked one of these same self employed ? people for a fatura for getting a certain job done and he just laughed and said he didnt have any, so whats he doing for the economy eh!!

Ismet is really a wise man and his point 5 is very true, good peeps have to start somewhere, but as long as you have these supposed upright peeps in the villages running small businesses and not paying taxes and things and not giving proper faturas, how can you progress, every goverment needs taxes to be paid, if you dont pay them one way you pay them another.

Soothsayer


Joined: 19/11/2008
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
09/04/2009 15:23

thats a good point lazy days - also please show me another country which managed a building boom of 1000% without complications! come on guys, this was all to fast.. The TRNC economy had a growth of 20% because of this - out of nothing!! All of you bought cheap property in TRNC - and you bougt like crazyyy! INVESTMENT! It will take time to be solved.. BUt this time anyone will need, even UBP.. Its just unfair to judge them in 5 years time, they are trying to get the system run with taxes etc but if so many fail to pay them - you rise them on the other side.. this is how it goes, even in european economies where you pay 19% on food or even 50% on alcohol.. how much is beer in UK? How many of you are paying rental taxes here in TRNC? Hand on your heart! you expect the unexpected. I realy start to hope that UBP wins so you all can see what they are all about - so we talk again in 5 years..

Soothsayer


Joined: 19/11/2008
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
09/04/2009 17:37

its like a bomb in TC / European and TRNC NEWS! The ERGENEKON files with EROĞLU - UBP -

Even Serdar, Denktaş Jr, says the fiels are true! He and his dad were followed.. Its lightning up! - Sure, the reports are false and only CTP propaganda.. Wonder how UBP will get out of this..

berkeh2001


Joined: 28/02/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
09/04/2009 21:49

the bomb blew up in ferdis hand as usual as he admitted he was sorry . now he has lost even more votes and has aided ubp to win the elections outwrite