Catholic church in the South (of Ireland)

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
09/04/2009 19:46

More than 100 Dublin priests suspected of child sex abuse



As the Irish government prepares to launch an inquiry into child sexual abuse in the Catholic Church, new figures from the Dublin area show that more than 100 priests have been accused of sex abuse.



The report, from the Archdiocese of Dublin, records 350 accusations of abuse against 102 priests since 1940. The number of accusations is likely to grow in the course of the 18-month government inquiry, since the Church has encouraged victims who have never registered complaints to come forward.



More here: http://tinyurl.com/depgto



Remark: this only happened in the USA, Brazil and Ireland, of course. Or..?

ROBnJO


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Message Posted:
09/04/2009 19:58

DC



Apalling as it is, this was an item from 2006.



Though some might say the matter has been 'swept under the carpet' since then.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
09/04/2009 20:02

RE msg 2, ROBnJO: I just heard on the news that the content of the final report will be very shocking and will only be ready at the end of this summer - after five years of investigation. So, for this subject: breaking news, I'd say.

spider


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Message Posted:
09/04/2009 20:05

Sick,Sick,Sick,give them all the the parents,and let the vicims have a say in what should happen with them,the church has covered this sort of thing up for years,giving the Priests other dutys,moveing then and allowing them to continue. Very Sick.











Spider,x

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
09/04/2009 20:15

RE msg 4, spider: > the church has covered this sort of thing up for years,giving the Priests other dutys,moveing then and allowing them to continue. <



=> ... and buying off the victims with millions of dollars (USA). Maybe the Roman Catholic church ran out of good causes and poor people?

ROBnJO


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Message Posted:
09/04/2009 20:16

DC



Thanks for the added information.



As spider says, you do wonder if this extremely long delay in the report has given the Church more time to move Priests elsewhere.



That in itself is even more worrying that 'potential' offenders may be working anywhere in the world for years without the knowledge of local people.

joseph


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Message Posted:
09/04/2009 21:01

Another forum user innocently asks for information re Catholic churches in the north and D/C goes scanning the net in order to continue his vitriolic attacks on the church. This post is despicable and more fool me for rising to the bait and answering it... however...



Is this post an attack on the Church because if so then I am sure most fair minded people will know the Church has consistently deplored such actions.

It is ofcourse those who claim to be part of the Church and abuse their status who are to be condemned. My own view is anyone carrying out such abuse should be reported to the police and prosecuted, priest, policeman, doctor, teacher or whatever. I also believe persons covering up such activity should also be prosecuted.



Millions of people work under the auspices of the Church from priests to nuns to lay people in hospitals, schools, old folks homes, care centres, charities,missionaries etc

and it is wrong and puerile to tar them all with the same brush....



cont

joseph


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Message Posted:
09/04/2009 21:02

Is this post an attack on homosexuals because they have entered into the Church despite the Churces condemnation of such practice. Recent research has shown that the majority abuse on children esp male was carried out by gay priests. My own view ... homosexuality has no place within the R/C Church and if this is your preferred lifestyle Dutch I am sure there are plenty of churches that are happy to welcome you. Simple enough if you want to join then obey the rules. Catholicism is not a democracy.

As ever the Churhes dictum : condemn the sin not the sinner is paramount regarding such lifestyles.



Is this post an attack on the Irish people because if so, yet again, it is despicable

Yes... the Irish people, similar to Polish and Italian peoples in Europe, have populated the Church with many of their children. They are to be applauded, not attacked, for the sacrifices they and their families have made in order to serve others.



Dutch.. you have an agenda... and it is not truth.

ROBnJO


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Message Posted:
09/04/2009 21:05

joseph



methinks you doth protest too much.

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
09/04/2009 21:07

IO was brought up by Catholics nuns and such I was never abused can I claim compensation because the did not fancy me ??

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
09/04/2009 21:15

RE msg 7, joseph: > and D/C goes scanning the net in order to continue his vitriolic attacks on the church. <



=> Cool down, joseph. You confuse the message and the messenger. It was on the news today - in many countries.



> homosexuality has no place within the R/C Church and if this is your preferred lifestyle Dutch I am sure there are plenty of churches that are happy to welcome you. <



=> Have an aspirin, joseph, and no more drinks tonight. OK?

spider


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Message Posted:
09/04/2009 21:16

worth a try nige.but you dont look tooooo bad in your photo,and you come across as a very nice chap, p.s.what gender are you dissapointed in with the church,do you look back nad have a prefernce.?













Spider,x

joseph


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Message Posted:
09/04/2009 21:34

Cool down, joseph. You confuse the message and the messenger. It was on the news today - in many countries.



Unfortunatley I was unaware that this was current as your article was dated 2006.



But I stand by my defence of the millions who can be too easily condemned alongside the guilty. I have no doubt in my mind that any person, be he priest or lay person, should not be protected from prosecution and all persons involved in such abuse should be reported to the police.



Regards Joseph

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
09/04/2009 21:44

Re msg 15, Joseph: Next time you start writing a leaflet against me - start reading the thread from message # 1 downwards first. Your special attention for my message # 3 in this thread. Regards, Hans Doeleman.

Remli


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Message Posted:
15/04/2009 16:44

never be brought to trial for the crimes they committed. I think the Catholic church did more harm than good for themselves by not immediatley launching a full and fair investigation into the allegations and supporting the victims.



The church has lost its place in Ireland for my generation and a lot of that is to do with these scandals.



It is unfortunate but true. How can anyone be expected to want to be part of a religion that up until 30 yrs ago "relocated" problems to new parishes,took children from unmarried mothers and beat children for the smallest of reasons.



I made a complaint 20yrs ago about the lollipop man in our village and my brother backed me up. He was a little slow and I was told to leave him alone as he wasn't the full shililng. He was eventually removed and we got a set of traffic lights instead. 3yrs ago I drove passed him in an area close to my home and guess what? He was a lollipop man for another parish! So even 20 yrs ago the church was still "relocati

Remli


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Message Posted:
15/04/2009 16:45

impression that the Catholic church teaches us to love one another and to do unto others as you would have done unto yourself? Yes I do know about the Sodom and Gomorrah story also, but at the end of the day, what consenting adults wish to do together in the privacy of their own home is entirely up to them.

ANYONE who abuses another human being deserves the full punishment of the law and the full wrath of the person who genuinely loves the abused person and also the full wrath of whatever God they choose to believe in.



I fairness, everyone is entitled to their own opinions and their own lifestyle choices. DC was merely providing a link to an article which was in the news. I'm VERY surprised to read that there's only 100 priests involved, but then as I reread I see its only the Dublin area and it makes more sense.



Not every priest or nun was involved in this abuse but until the 1990's not 1 was ever prosecuted or even charged. Indeed many of the abusers are now deceased and wil

Remli


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Message Posted:
15/04/2009 16:45

This will always be a current topic of conversation - ESPECIALLY in Ireland. I have completely lost my faith in the religion I was raised in directly because of the despicible actions of Catholic priests and nuns.



I am certainly not suggesting that every priest and nun was involved in the abuse - emotional, sexual, and physical - but when it was ever brought to the attention of those higher up in the church, the abusers were simply moved to another parish.



It was not only sexual abuse that was carried out but emotional and physical also. One film made about some of the the abuse is The Magdeline Sisters. This is a true story and happened all over Ireland right up until the 1970's.



I don't think anyone would suggest that the sexual abuse was related to homosexuality. It was more to do with the power the abusers had over the vulnerable children and adults in their care.





Joseph I must ask you about your comment "homosexuality has no place within the R/C Church" I was und

Remli


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Message Posted:
15/04/2009 16:56

My posts seem to be reading from from the bottom up and are missing some letters from the end! And sorry it's so long winded!