The Cyprus Talks Downer not on one

dodger



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Message Posted:
11/04/2009 12:22

http://www.famagusta-gazette.com/link.asp?twindow=Default&smenu=69&sdetail=8352&mad=No&wpage=&skeyword=&sidate=



Anyone else upbeat about the talks then,

Paul.

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
11/04/2009 13:33

Well it is a positive step forward they are agreeing on things and implementing them, does this mean they can work together? is this the start to a Bi Zonal Cyprus both sides working as one? it is too early to say but the indications are there. There is very strong support for the process in the international community along with high expectations of success. Deal nearly done??

The USC maybe (United States of Cyprus)?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
11/04/2009 14:07

Priority for crossing Emergency Ambulances, co-operation on culture, etc..



Little acorns - but progress..

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
11/04/2009 14:08

If they can even get co-operation on Crime and Immigration ..

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
11/04/2009 14:10

Yes Mark, welcome back,



From little acorns.......

dodger



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Message Posted:
11/04/2009 17:47

Alot of people are of the impression that a deal has already been done,

Paul.

juliet


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Message Posted:
11/04/2009 17:50

i would say 75% done dodger..

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
11/04/2009 17:51

That's the impression that came to me too, these announcements of small cooperation and working together are just setting the scene so people start to accept things in small doses, or thats the way it seems.

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
11/04/2009 17:52

Juliet even if it is 75% at least it is getting there

dodger



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Message Posted:
11/04/2009 18:01

Juliet,

Do you have any proof of this or is it just a gut feeling,

Paul.

juliet


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Message Posted:
11/04/2009 18:05

let`s just say it`s in the bag....the solution won`t suit everyone.. but at least the island will be one again

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
11/04/2009 18:08

Correct it will be seen as one the United Staes of Cyprus working together as one. The solution won't suit everyone as you say but it is workable.

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
11/04/2009 18:10

Oops states......

catalkoykid


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Message Posted:
11/04/2009 18:35

wont suit the bubbles not getting their land back lol

dodger



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Message Posted:
11/04/2009 18:44

Will it be a fair deal for the north,

Paul.

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
11/04/2009 19:07

I would imagine so Paul, surely they would have had to make the deal sweet for both sides for them to agree. International Community Chest most probably,

catalkoykid


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Message Posted:
11/04/2009 19:17

the green line will move, the bubbles will get varosha back,and prob morphou,that will be the deal

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
11/04/2009 19:19

I agree, the island will not unite as one again, two state solution and all that..

fire starter


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Message Posted:
11/04/2009 21:20

now i have heard that it will all be going back to the origional owners apart from the above (post 17) plus girne.

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
11/04/2009 22:11

the talks have been dead in the water for months,come the elections it will all change,why do you guys thing turgay avci guaranteed all properties ,this and this alone should tell you that there is no return ,does anyone really believe any t/c or g/c will move from their homes ,for does of you that do believe it ,you are in cuckoo land ,people make remarks ,like 75% , "suzanne" they pull these figures out of the air. the reality is as we have it now and as it is it will stay ,why, simple because we t/cs know the g/cs will yield zero.



so guys chill out and enjoy the kktc ,there will be no changes ,not from the talks anyway.



musin



long live the kktc

andre 514


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Message Posted:
12/04/2009 01:48

a reconciliation of some sort would be wonderful news

letting ambulances cross over and co-operation on many other matters

may either be a prelude to settlement, or continued independence



the international community prefers an agreed settlement to the dispute:

downer is hoping the contradictory demands of each side can be reconciled



it appears that any handover of guzelyurt and varosha would garner little support nowadays from turkish cypriots, post-annan

so listing other towns for exchange is futile



for expats a deal may result in them forking out several thousand euros

but seeing the value of their modest home double:

this may be the real reason some cyprus 44 members are sympathetic

to reunification and are not threatened by majority rule



but as muzin reminds us in message 20:

"does anyone believe... t/cs and g/cs will move from their homes?"



the south wants restitution, the north "may" pay compensation:

is there a deal in that?



don't think so

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
12/04/2009 09:45

IF there's any progress - so -far it will be on things they CAN agree on ;)



Property: still think it will give rights to most to remain where they are - but also "rights" some time in the future, too, to those displaced.



Varosha - for sure - will be out of TR military control. It's not like any TCs are going to be "kicked out" - and it was always a bargaining chip (sic).



"new govt" in the north? So ? TR will tell 'em to agree a deal - if that's what TR wants..

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
12/04/2009 10:01

Border you still make me chuckle ...but I like you lol

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
12/04/2009 10:21

Dear Dee, re msg 24



"you still make me chuckle"





Could you enlighten us as to the parts that "amused" you, and why?!.. I know you are found of intelligent debate...!

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
12/04/2009 10:43

Now now Border don't be spiteful..that is my job he he

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
12/04/2009 10:44

Sorry I didnt answer your question...most of what you say re the re-unification of the Island of Cyprus.

dodger



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Message Posted:
12/04/2009 16:25

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=45138&cat_id=1



Worth a read,

Paul.

dodger



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Message Posted:
12/04/2009 16:36

http://www.famagusta-gazette.com/link.asp?twindow=Default&smenu=69&sdetail=8351&mad=No&wpage=&skeyword=&sidate=



Another slant.

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
12/04/2009 16:39

Cheers Paul that was worth a read.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
12/04/2009 17:01

re 26/27



"Sorry I didnt answer your question...most of what you say re the re-unification of the Island of Cyprus."



Be specific, please Dee..



It's just *I* think you may be a little out of your depth..

dodger



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Message Posted:
12/04/2009 21:25

Hi All,

Why wont Talat allow the opening of the Limnitis border crossing sureley it would make sense to send out good vibes in the talks,

Paul.

dodger



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Message Posted:
16/04/2009 20:28

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=45204&cat_id=1



Downer seems to be on a Downer,

Paul.

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
16/04/2009 20:39

Naw he is setting the stage Paul,



They are probably not too far from a deal and a lot of people may not be happy, everything is being brokered by the Yanks and the EU probably with Turkey. This is telling people you are going to have to accept the deal and that's it there will not be another it is this or nothing.



Two state Cyprus, and compo with a ceiling on it take it or leave it option.