Another Dutch farce...

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
19/04/2009 09:26

First we had un dutch peace keepers looking the other way now we have



Dutch Commandos capture Somali pirates and free 20 hostages ... but release the bandits *** because they're not from the Netherlands ***



Dutch forces have freed 20 hostages whose vessel was hijacked by Somali pirates and used to launch an attack against a tanker in the Gulf of Aden.

The commandos briefly detained and questioned seven gunmen, but were forced to let them go because they had no legal power to arrest them under Dutch law.



it has often been said the law is an ass now we know it is.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1171697/Double-Dutch-Commandos-capture-Somali-pirates-free-20-hostages---release-bandits-theyre-Netherlands.html

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
19/04/2009 10:26

How very interesting. The Dutch military b*st*rds are sticking to the law! Catch the pirates and shoot them at the spot, eh, Nige?



Anything else in The Daily Mail about Cyprus? Earthquake in Thailand? Mining healing stones in Canada? Pancake festival in Brazil?

newscoop


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Message Posted:
19/04/2009 10:38

Surely piracy is a crime under international law?



If this is indeed the case then why didn`t the Dutch drop them off in Yemen for some local justice?



Wonder how long before the released criminals take over another vessel?

Mick the Fish


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Posts: 180

Message Posted:
19/04/2009 10:59

I admit this may possibly be a political farce - but the military operation by the Dutch

Marines was superb. As was the release of the Capt of the ship aboard the lifeboat.



Perhaps therein lies the parallel - some show restraint - others don't - and are then castigated afterwards.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
19/04/2009 11:02

The Dutch Marine vessel "Zeven Provinciën" AND the British Marine vessel "RFA Wave Knight" worked together in this operation - and both were bound by the same rules given in their UN mandate. The British were obliged to act the same way as the Dutch did.



Hmmm. Funny that "The Daily Mail" missed this part of the operation...



Always interesting to check your sources (Nige...), before quoting in the blind.



More here: http://tinyurl.com/d677hr

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
19/04/2009 11:14

The Bosnian Serb army has seized control of the United Nations "safe area" of Srebrenica after Dutch peacekeepers were forced to withdraw.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/11/newsid_4080000/4080690.stm



Dutch commandos on a Nato warship captured seven pirates who attacked a tanker in the Gulf of Aden - but had to release them for legal reasons.



http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Somali-Pirates-Crisis-Dutch-Forces-Catch-Seven-Pirates-Says-Nato/Article/200904315264346?f=rss



I suppose it is a must to follow the rules when dealing with pirates, were they flying the jolly roger ?



Prevention is better shoot em then they can not hijack another ship and hold the captain for ransom.



rules are for those who follow the law step outside acceptable bounderies and suffer the consequences I say.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
19/04/2009 11:16

RE msgs by Nige > it has often been said the law is an ass now we know it is. <



=> Well, I for one know who the ass is in this thread...

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
19/04/2009 11:19

RE msg 6, Nigel > I suppose it is a must to follow the rules when dealing with pirates, were they flying the jolly roger ? <



=> Sigh. It's called a "UN mandate", Nigel. Try Google. And stop making a laugh of yourself. Have a nice day!

Turbo


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Message Posted:
19/04/2009 11:22

The US Navy snipers shot three of them simultaneously through the window of the lifeboat one gunshot each and captured one while rescuing the captain of the Mearsk , i am sure its old news by now.



The captured on is being taken to New York to face charges, he is a teenager.

Littlenige



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Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
19/04/2009 11:42

well done usa, you can rely on them to shoot the bad guys.

batgirl


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Message Posted:
19/04/2009 12:39

You can also rely on the USA to shoot a few of their own,I can,t understand why it is called"friendly fire"

Magbs


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Posts: 278

Message Posted:
19/04/2009 13:59

msg. 10 "well done usa".

Indeed, well done, but Maersk rescue story was legally pretty easy case. It was a U.S.-flagged container ship with US captain. In such cases internatianal law has always been clear. You catch pirates and they are subject to your laws.

The Dutch forces operation was under completely different conditions. As DC said they were under UN (sadly too limited) mandate.

And regarding the proposal to "drop them off in Yemen", well, today’s interpretation by human rights lawyers state that pirates cannot even be handed over to their own state if that state does not respect the human rights of the pirates. I am sure the captured onr "teenager" could have tender hearts lawyers offering him a law suit vs the USA.

This is an absurd situation but by no way "another Dutch farce".

Mick the Fish


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Message Posted:
19/04/2009 14:08

Nige, unfortunately the USA are pretty good at shooting the good guys as well. Luckily, Europeans are more restrained.

Coachie



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Message Posted:
19/04/2009 21:54

Surely,if an act of piracy takes place outside of any countries territorial waters then it becomes an international crime,so if they do not surrender then they take the consequences.Why has the UN sent forces outthere and tied there hands behind there backs,they might as well not be there.I bet these pirates are laughung their socks off ,should they be wearing any..In the past pirates new exactly what to expect for their actions,now they know nothing is going to happen to them the situation can only get worse..

Arthur


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Posts: 687

Message Posted:
19/04/2009 21:56

Sho, we capture shome pirates, free shome hostages, shmoke a spliff and let the pirates go ya??

rowlo



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Message Posted:
19/04/2009 22:01

read turbos post, coachie , it was msg 9, 3 dead ///// , thats not nothing happening to them , thats game over ///

phylray



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Message Posted:
20/04/2009 01:34

In days of old pirates knew what to expect - hanging. Maybe shooting

was a better death. They had no mercy on the man they murdered and

threw overboard while his wife had to wade through his blood to fight for

her life.

Littlenige



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Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 09:00

phylray very well put.



Now the pirates know what to do surrender to the dutch if they are being pursued and they will be set free !!

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
20/04/2009 09:24

RE msg 18, Littlenige : "It's the UN, stupid" (Bill Clinton variety). UN rules. Get it now, finally? The operation was carried out by the Dutch A-N-D the British - BOTH had to act under the same UN rules. Why don't you read the thread downwards again and *try* to understand? But, facts are not your favourite subject, eh?



RE msg 18, Arthur: I can hardly imagine anything more stupid than making fun of people who try to speak or write your native language. You are degrading yourself, but luckily you're an exception amongst the Brits I know.

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
20/04/2009 09:30

Hans unfortunately you fail to grasp the issue the artice below makes no mention of A-N-D the British despite your possibly dodgy source and in any event you still do not get it, never mind .



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1171697/Double-Dutch-Commandos-capture-Somali-pirates-free-20-hostages---release-bandits-theyre-Netherlands.html



you say BOTH had to act under the same UN rules. are these the same un rules that apply to trnc ??



Or are you being selective me thinks I feel a quote from mm coming.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
20/04/2009 09:39

RE msg 20, Nigel : You can go on quoting your one and obviously only source The Daily Mail with its incomplete, coloured article. You can go on sneering at me or the Dutch and trying to divert the subject. I give up now. The saying for today is: "One can fight anything in this world except stupidity".

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
20/04/2009 09:43

"One can fight anything in this world except stupidity".



We AGREE HANS



Mine's an effes

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
20/04/2009 09:57

http://article.wn.com/view/2009/04/18/Dutch_free_20_Yemeni_hostages_briefly_hold_seven_pirates/



http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20090419/NEWS02/704199880



no mention of british navy

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
20/04/2009 10:49

Dear Nige, re msg 20



"me thinks I feel a quote from mm coming"



you may not like it though, Nige ..



I think your post was provocative and unwise. Unfair to single out the Dutch for following the rules :(

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
20/04/2009 10:53

RE msg 23, Nigel : > no mention of british navy <



=> More selective Googling, Nige? Plenty of sources (even in Dutch, German and French - but amazingly the British vessel has disappeared in the British press!) to confirm what I wrote above - here's one: "The pirates fled back to the dhow in small boats after the failed tanker attack, but a British naval vessel in the vicinity intervened and kept its guns trained on the group until Dutch marines arrived under NATO orders to board."



More here: http://tinyurl.com/cdcsue

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
20/04/2009 10:55

provocative moi ??

simbas



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Message Posted:
20/04/2009 12:28

si le bonnet va ?

BillBarnacle


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Message Posted:
20/04/2009 18:36

Re msg 25 Dutch



Whats this british navy



If you mean the Royal Navy then they dealt with Piracy in the 17 and 18 hundreds by hanging the little blitters from the yard arm and confiscating their ill gotten gains for the Crown minus alittle for the ships crew.



Given the state of our economy at present perhaps someone should suggest the reintroduction of this as official policy



This would kill two birds with one stone by reducing the burden on the UK taxpayer and dealing with the piracy problem

Coachie



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Message Posted:
20/04/2009 21:06

Rowlo..Read the post in msg9. and I totally agree with the response by the US.If they have been offered the chance to surrender and refuse let them take the consequences. This working under a UN mandate in this case, to me is stupid.They are vurtually legalising piracy..

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
20/04/2009 21:14

Coachie you expect more from the Srebrenica VOYEURS ???

Arthur


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Message Posted:
20/04/2009 21:28

DC - msg 15. I apologise for taking the p#ss, [despite what you may think] I do have many Dutch friends. What I do think is far more serious is the abdication of moral [if not legal] responsibility that lead to the Srebrenica massacre. If this folly has been exacerbated by letting pirates [who totally flout any laws] go free because of some technicality, words fail me. Don't always agree with the Yanks, but at least those particular pirates in attacking the US ship won't be replicating their actions

Turbo


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Message Posted:
20/04/2009 21:42

Here are two foiled attempts that left the pirates "red ' faced. On passenger cruise ships.



this one in November captain tried to run them over. http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/africa/11/05/somalia.pirates/index.html



This one in December:



http://travelinglight.professionaltravelguide.com/2008/12/cruise-ship-outruns-pirates.html

Magbs


Joined: 26/02/2009
Posts: 278

Message Posted:
26/04/2009 14:58

Another attack by pirates (now with happy ending).



Italy cruise ship fires on Somali pirates:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090426/ap_on_re_eu/piracy

Magbs


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Posts: 278

Message Posted:
26/04/2009 15:12

And now guess what the head of Seafarers' Assistance Programme Mr Andrew Mwangura says?



"They should have used other (rather than pistols) means to shake off the pirates, like a loud acoustic device"

So next time take your amplified speakers onboard LOL

decanddyl


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Message Posted:
26/04/2009 22:33

Going back to 1975 I was on a NATO exercise that was taking place in and around Turkey and we were part of the BG which also included Dutch Marines. We were being landed from HMS Hermes and the Dutch were tasked to secure the beach head, unfortunately it must be one of the only Armed Foces with a trade union as they had to stop for a break for an hour or so thus delaying a NATO exercise. We were held on Hermes for two hours whilst the Dutch had lunch!!!! Hence the saying "Dutch Courage".

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
26/04/2009 22:37

Re msg 35, decanddyl > We were held on Hermes for two hours whilst the Dutch had lunch!!! <



=> And you didn't get a lunch..?! Wrong Navy, eh? Stupid man!

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
26/04/2009 22:52

Were the Dutch the biggest collaborators in the 2nd World War?!



Richard

jimchris09


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Message Posted:
26/04/2009 23:05

Somalis are a dangerous bunch at the best of times...ie when they had a government in the 70's & 80's. They have been responsible for instability in northern Kenya (Shiftas) for decades. I remember them in Zambia setting up camps to sell petrol they stole from tankers they were driving in from Tanzania...bloody wild people and no mistake!

Recently a number of Somali pirates tried to attack villages in southern Oman and were caught by the armed forces ...rumour has it they sorted out the problem very quickly without any international legal worries...they took them up in a helicpter and threw them back into the Indian Ocean...good riddance!

decanddyl


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Message Posted:
26/04/2009 23:10

Dear Dutch, please don't call me stupid I was only relaying a true story and your reply was either unnecessary or not required. By ther way I was not Navy but part of an Army Engineer unit attached to Commando Forces.

BillBarnacle


Joined: 20/04/2009
Posts: 167

Message Posted:
26/04/2009 23:24

'Stupid Man'



Thats rich from a man whose countrymen wear painted wooden shoes



Probably needed the two hour lunch break to deal with the blisters

Cyprusactive


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Posts: 128

Message Posted:
26/04/2009 23:31

No, Brinsley, now you are bang out of order. The Dutch were badly equipped after the Great War as they believed that to be the war to end all wars. After the invasion of Germany there was brave resistance (all of 5 days) which resulted in the Germans bombing Rotterdam, causing many deaths and resulting in the Dutch capitulation. After that followed miserable years of occupation while many Dutch risked their lives and that of their families helping Jews escape transportation to concentration camps. My own father spent the war years in a German Labour Camp. Grateful as we still are to the Allied Forces for the eventual liberation I think your flippant remark is unacceptable.

Irene

Magbs


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Posts: 278

Message Posted:
26/04/2009 23:48

Re msg 37



"Were the Dutch the biggest collaborators in the 2nd World War?! "



Now you went too far. Don't you really know who (or, to be more specific, whose government) was the biggest one?

karakum5c



Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 1021

Message Posted:
27/04/2009 00:05

The Dutch army kit consists of spliffs, condoms and hard core porn---- so the first thing you do when you detain a suspect is offer him a joint and give him some dirty mags while you give him a lecture on gay bondage before sending him on his way with a smile on his face and a free packet of condoms!



Thats what i call soldiering, the British army could learn a thing or two when dealing with Taliban suspects

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
27/04/2009 00:18

Well, you lot of Northern Hemisphere war mongering idiots nearly put paid to the whole male population of NZ as a consequence of both World Wars so tap your clogs together in celebration as my Great Uncles body lays in Gallipoli! Go back to your tarnished, blackened Guilders and your self righteous excuses for the treatment of the Moluccans and read your History!



Richard

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
27/04/2009 00:27

Where is this thread going?

Tiggy


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Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
27/04/2009 01:33

AJ.....it has been hijacked by Pirates! press gang the lot of em!

The-Wicks


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Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
27/04/2009 01:49

AJ - where these threads always go - bloody nowhere!!!!!



J

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
27/04/2009 11:02

RE msg 45, AJ > Where is this thread going? <



=> IMO: from the start this provocative thread didn't belong on this Northern Cyprus board in the first place. Some postings are so full of hostile contempt that it is worrying. And - I just checked - the later at night the sillier the remarks in the postings. Furthermore. What is the use of selective 'remembering' or pointing at "the deeds" of a specific country, in this case the Netherlands? Do some Brits here don't realize how easy it is to start a couple of threads about shameful behaviour of the British government/army - the inventors of concentration camps? But, what would it have to do with Northern Cyprus?



PS. It may interest you to know that 71% of the visitors of the Amsterdam Red Light district is British. And roughly 69% of the drugs sold there is bought by British "tourists". What does that prove about the UK or Holland? Nothing. QED.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
27/04/2009 11:32

RE msg 44, Brinsley > Go back to your tarnished, blackened Guilders and your self righteous excuses for the treatment of the Moluccans and read your History <



=> This remark by a New Zealander deserves an answer. Let me quote 'your' shame: Maori. Wikipedia comes up with this: "Europeans came to New Zealand in increasing numbers from the late 18th century, and the weapon technologies and diseases they brought with them destabilised Māori society. After 1840, Māori lost much of their land and went into a cultural and numerical decline, etc".



See, Richard, how easy it is? Pot and kettle. Or, in other words: *you* didn't destabilize Māori society and *I* had nothing to do with what happened to the Moluccans. Be careful to make history personal, is my advice.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
27/04/2009 19:54

Amazing how this thread suddenly died after message 48 & 49.

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
27/04/2009 20:32

Hans a journalist you should know better than to shoot the messenger One only reported what was n the media at the given time.



However you choose to find a problem with this.



Enjoy your evening.

Scythian



Joined: 14/03/2009
Posts: 75

Message Posted:
27/04/2009 20:41

Europe now - the Western Roman Empire. If you know the story. Long live - marasmus. You know the end of empire.

Hot regards,



Scythian

Coachie



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Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
27/04/2009 20:41

Most occupied countries had their fair share of collaboraters, England included,not that we were occupied.

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
27/04/2009 20:51

Coachie



Did you forget the Romans and the VIKINGS ??

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
27/04/2009 20:53

RE msg 51, Littlenige : You were not only the selective messenger of just another news item (from a highly suspicious source) which had nothing to do with Northern Cyprus - you choose the headline (subject title) and wrote the comment in posting # 1. All together I call it a malicious act.



PS. I notice that you only felt the need to publish your "news" on this board. Why not on your own board, where most of the content is copied/pasted (by you)?

hattikins


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Message Posted:
27/04/2009 20:54

Vikings, were they the hairy arsed ones who were supposed to have come here raping and pillaging ?

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
27/04/2009 21:04

Hans are you saying



( by implication that we there has been a policy change and we can only post things relevant to trnc ?)





(from a highly suspicious source) the daily mail ?? one of the uks most read newspapers tut tut...



WhAT i DO OR DO NOT PUBLISH ON MY OWN BOARD IS FOR ME AND THE MEMBERS TO DISCUSS ON THERE.



AS A MEMBER IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM YOU ARE FREE TO DISCUSS IT ON THERE.



All together I call it a malicious act.



This is your opinion and you are of course entitled to it just as you are entitled to be wrong.



Clearly the mods did / do not agree as the post has not been removed.



However if members were thinking of going on a cruise or thinking of sailing and should seek refuge form dutch sailors do you not think it prudent that they should be warned if pirates attack them and are captured then they will be released !!

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
27/04/2009 21:06

What?



In North Cyprus?



That would have been a hullava boat trip!



They'd have been too knackered to do any raping or pillaging!



Rob

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
27/04/2009 21:06

RE msg 56, hattikins > Vikings, were they the hairy arsed ones who were supposed to have come here raping and pillaging ? <



=> As far as I know there is not any evidence that the Vikings ever came "here", in Northern Cyprus...

hattikins


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Message Posted:
27/04/2009 21:09

Dutch, perhaps not directly eh.

The-Wicks


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Message Posted:
27/04/2009 21:12

Mind you, having said that, those Vikings did get around, so you never know...............



J

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
27/04/2009 21:14

=> As far as I know there is not any evidence that the Vikings ever came "here", in Northern Cyprus...



ahhh well they may well have done



The earliest Scandinavians to visit the Byzantine world came as they did to many parts of western and southern Europe as traders, explorers, and warriors. Much of the history of the Vikings in the East is concerned with their attacks on the Byzantine capital of Constantinople. Later, however, their exploits won them the respect of the emperors for their endurance, loyalty, and splendid fighting qualities. A long line of Scandinavians, mostly anonymous, served the Byzantine rulers in the army and fleet and finally in a section of the Imperial or "Varangian" Guard in Constantinople. Nor did this wide traveling stop with secular journeys; on the contrary, after the conversion Constantinople became a convenient stopping-place on an even longer journey as the call to the Holy Land found frequent response in the hearts of the devout or the curious. T

hattikins


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Message Posted:
27/04/2009 21:15

Look closely at some of the member photos, then imagine them wearing a woolly waistcoat and a helmet with horns, ring any bells yet?

The-Wicks


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Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
27/04/2009 21:20

Hattikins - yes, now you come to mention it ..................................



J

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
27/04/2009 21:21

did they not also have beards ?

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
27/04/2009 21:24

RE msg 57, Littlenige > AS A MEMBER IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM YOU ARE FREE TO DISCUSS IT ON THERE. <



=> Using capitals doesn't make your words stronger, Nige. It's called shouting on the Internet. And I don't discuss on your board your contributions on this board. Maybe you'd better explain to your members why you didn't see them fit to read your highly intellectual thoughts.



> (from a highly suspicious source) the daily mail ?? one of the uks most read newspapers tut tut... <



=> It's in your line of thinking to confuse quality with quantity.



> Clearly the mods did / do not agree as the post has not been removed. <



=> I clearly stated that this thread - in my opinion - should not have been started. At least not the way you did. No need to repeat it all. All the moderators decided not to interfere - I disagree, but it's their decision.

hattikins


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Message Posted:
27/04/2009 21:32

See Jean, I knew they reminded me of someone, and I was right.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
27/04/2009 21:43

Message 62

Nige I am impressed with your 'cut & paste' skills, can you just remind me where Constantinople is please.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
27/04/2009 21:49

RE msg 62, Littlenige > Vikings - ahhh well they may well have done <



=> Nigel's proof of "Vikings on Cyprus": last year some Swedish, Norwegian and Danish tourists were spotted in Kyrenia. End of proof.



We're talking about "Vikings", Nigel, VIKINGS. A limited number served some Byzantine Emperors indeed. Did I say they didn't - what's the use of copying/pasting again?



When most of the Vikings (Normans) settled in their conquered lands and converted to Roman Catholicism they ceased to be Vikings.



I wrote: "As far as I know there is ***not any evidence*** that the Vikings ever came "here", in Northern Cyprus...". And that is and remains a fact.



Serious people don't assume things in history, they search for the truth and facts. Try that for a change.

proger1



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Message Posted:
27/04/2009 21:53

I do believe that Nige was comenting on Coachies statement that England was never occupied i.e. what about the romans and the vikings however I am getting great use of my daughters atlas trying to find all the countries and cities being mentioned so please carry on with the jibes.

By the way, where is Constantinople? lol

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
27/04/2009 21:53

"As far as I know ....................





are yopu saying you do not know it all ??







The evidence suggests.......................





You are a nice guy but you do seem to be going to great lengths to prove otherwise

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
29/04/2009 07:45

MOSCOW (Reuters) - A Russian warship captured a suspected pirate vessel with 29 people on board off the coast of Somalia, Russian news agencies reported on Wednesday, citing defense ministry sources.



Russia's Admiral Panteleyev anti-submarine ship seized the vessel 15 miles off the coast of Somalia at 1212 GMT on Tuesday, the Interfax and RIA Novosti news agencies reported.



"Seven Kalashnikov rifles, various pistols and an aluminum ladder were discovered during a search of the ship," RIA Novosti quoted the source as saying. Satellite navigation equipment and a large amount of ammunition was also seized.



"This allows us to assume that this group of pirates undertook two unsuccessful attempts to seize the TF Commander tanker with a Russian crew that was traveling through this region yesterday," RIA quoted the source as saying.

they have been detained

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
29/04/2009 07:47

The cruiser, Peter the Great, halted two small high-speed motor boats and a mid-size, support vessel on Thursday, the Russians said.



"Ten pirates have been detained. All of them are citizens of Somalia," the press release obtained by CNN stated.



"Officials from the Northern Fleet's military prosecutor's office are currently questioning the detainees aboard the Peter the Great. Their future will be decided in coordination with the Russian Foreign and Justice ministries."





They did not follow the lead of some other nations they have detained rather than release the pirates.

Lemtich



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Message Posted:
02/05/2009 20:51

Coachie Message 53



The Channel Islands? Not England but certainly UK.



Lem

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
02/05/2009 21:08

Moderators, I would really appreciate you to change the subject title. It's : "Another Dutch farce". Don't worry if Littlenige tells you differently.

Lemtich



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Message Posted:
02/05/2009 21:12

Always a pleasure Hans.



So long as I do not get accused of being a spelling and punctuation fanatic, as in the past.



Lem

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
02/05/2009 21:15

Great, Lem. But why Farce with a capital..? I suggest the following subject title: Another Dutch farce. Eagerly awaiting your much appreciated intervention, yours truly etc.

Coachie



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Message Posted:
02/05/2009 21:57

Constantinople is what we now know as Istanbul..



My reply was to the person who asked were the Dutch the biggest collaborators in WW2.



Nige..my reply was to the above when I said all countries had there fair share of them including us, but we were not occupied at the time.I am well aware of the Romans ,Vikings and the Normans,occupied our country!!!

Coachie



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Message Posted:
02/05/2009 22:21

DC..If my memory serves me correctly,I was always under the impression that the Vikings were of Scandinavian origin and the Normans were of French origin...

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
02/05/2009 22:35

RE msg 79, Coachie: The Vikings or Normans ("men from the North", many tribes, from now Denmark, Norway and Sweden) for centuries invaded and robbed many countries in mainly Europe, finally conquered land and settled down. Example: Normandy. But also in Sicily, where they (originally heathens in the eyes of Roman Catholics) even converted to Roman Catholicism. They were important participants in the First Crusade, together with their cousins, the Anglo-Normans. The most famous Anglo-Norman ever was Richard the Lionheart (Third Crusade). A bit in a nutshell, Coachie...

Lemtich



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Message Posted:
02/05/2009 22:55

Occupation of the British Isles.



British Police working alongside German troops. Resistance and collaborators!



The Uk is not exempt from this charge.



But at least we won the war and 37 years later we did it again in the Falklands.



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Lem

Coachie



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Message Posted:
03/05/2009 14:05

Not just the Vikings and Normans.Pakistani,s Indians,Jamaicans,Poles,Africans from all countries,the list is endless.It is a wonder this little island of ours is still afloat,but being the soft touch we are ,nothing will change and we will continue to be "invaded" by all and sundry..

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
03/05/2009 14:19

lem 2 world was and 1 world cup ....not bad for a little nation eh