Congratulations - what a smashing victory!

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
20/04/2009 07:45

I like to congratulate the UBP with its smashing victory in the 2009 elections for Parliament! It's even better than I hoped and much better than I expected. One thing is for sure: the new government cannot do worse than this CTPromises bunch.

Littlenige



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Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 10:09

Nationalists Win Turkish Cypriot Elections

By VOA News

19 April 2009





Turkish Cypriot supporters of the National Unity Party hold up young child outside party headquarters in divided capital, Nicosia, 19 April 2009

Turkish Cypriot supporters of the National Unity Party hold up young child outside party headquarters in divided capital, Nicosia, 19 April 2009



Turkish Cypriot nationalists have won legislative elections, a result that analysts say could complicate efforts to settle the decades-long division of the Mediterranean island.



With all the votes counted from Sunday's elections, the opposition National Unity Party won 44 percent of the vote. It beat the ruling Republican Turkish Party by nearly 15 percent.



The opposition is calling for a full two-state model for Cyprus that has been rejected by Greek Cypriots.



http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-04-19-voa26.cfm

Soothsayer


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Posts: 134

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 10:15

this is the problem with people who have a memory like a fish. anyhow, wish all the success to ubp. hope they leave the borders open... as you all remember, ubp was always against the border openings and will take a new way in reunification talks. hope tr an eu will give enough pressure to make them come in line..

Hepimize geçmiş olsun.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 10:22

It is not the UBP that needs to come in line, it is the gc's...

rocking


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Posts: 421

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 15:41

Well said deecyprus4. I hope they keep to what they said '2 states' why do people keep on about peace on the island - we have had peace since 1974 because of the green line - leave it there.

Stubs


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Posts: 641

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 15:59

A step backwards now for the TRNC.

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 19:32

dee



again no thought for the tcs who want a solution... the tcs we had lunch with today are most upset with the outcome... they admit its the mainland turks that voted for the ubp, much more of them than original tcs of cyprus.



The tcs want to move forward but the mainlanders are stopping them as they want this island to be an extention of turkey which was turkeys plan way before 74.... & looking at places like the ugly artemis hotel...........says it all....

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 19:48

Juliet I think some people in the North have more thought for the TC's than you give them credit for, where you have TC friends that want a united cuyprus I know amongst my limited amount of friends in TRNC that the TC's say it is too late to turn the clock back and they want thier own state now these are not mainland immigrants as you refer to some TC's but TC's that left the South to go North in fear of what the future may hold leaving everything behind. Now they have rebuilt thier lives and businesses got on with living with hope that some day they will have thier own state.



they admit its the mainland turks that voted for the ubp, much more of them than original tcs of cyprus.



Utter rubbish were they the counters or the official returns officer???

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 19:49

Juliet, Artemis Hotel Ugly? Artemis temple and Pantheon as well I suppose. Get a life you stupid woman.

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 19:54

how rude & ignorant you are pilgrim... the artemis hotel in Vokalida is an eye sore as are the other 6 in Turkey....wonder whos land the hotel in volakida is built on....

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 20:05

touched a nerve he he! Artemis Hotel Bafra ,OTT perhaps but not ugly unless you have think Ancient Greek architecture ugly to. What a mindless vindictive comment to make anyway.

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 20:08

touched a land nerve you most certainly have pilgrim... i prefer the real thing not copies of anything....

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 20:13

Stubs

'A step backwards now for the TRNC.'



How can it be a step backwards? you can only go backwards once you have gone forwards and the TRNC has never gone forwards. but maybe now things will be a bit more decisive.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 20:17

Juliet msg 7



"again no thought for the tcs who want a solution..."



You mean the TC who, despite according to you being outnumbered by Turkish mainlanders, by majority voted FOR a solution in 2003 only to have it thrown in their faces by a majority of GC ?



"The tcs want to move forward but the mainlanders are stopping them"



They did not stop them in 2003 - the GC did that. Still we must not let reality interupt your world view must we.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 20:27

Well I know one thing for sure the majority of TC's in Alsancak (ex Paphos TC's) voted for the UBP because they do not want re-unification. And I am led to believe that Lapta voters felt the same. They want to put a line under what has happened in the past and they feel that the UBP is the only party that will be decisive and sort the problem out for once and for all.

Interesting times ahead.

AJ

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 20:38

Don't give up, Juliet, (although you face four more years of UBP government..!) to make us laugh about your silly propaganda... After the latest election day: bitter lemons and sour grapes, eh..?

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 20:46

msg 14



why should the gcs have said yes to the annan plan????? we certainly wouldnt have had our village back let alone our house...

Soothsayer


Joined: 19/11/2008
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 20:53

BTW: Lapta was a greek village so most people living there are TURKs. and yes, ubp was voted by the Turks. Many TC just did not go to the elections, approx 20%, another 20% of TCs votet protest for ubp. - but they did not expected this outcome.. there were a lot of tears from real TCs... it was all messed up from the beginning when 3000 TURKS were made TC in one night.. Anyhow, this is UBP this is TURKISH Cyprus unfortunatelly we also have to live with this.. When will we ever be rescued??? Prisoners in our own country.. This is like irish ruling england.. think about it..

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 20:56

well said soothsayer, not enough original tcs left to fight for there rights unfortunatly!!!!! Turkey have wanted this island for many years & had the excuse to invade in 74... thank god they never got corfu etc...

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 21:04

juliet and Soothsayer smoking the heavy stuff again?

Soothsayer


Joined: 19/11/2008
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 21:09

not to forget the thousands (40 000, 50 000, 80 000??) of migrants from anatolia in the first years of DENKTAŞ - UBP rule in the early 80s...

"I have, myself, full confidence that if all do their duty, if nothing is neglected, and if the best arrangements are made, as they are being made, we shall prove ourselves once again able to defend our Island home, to ride out the storm of war, and to outlive the menace of tyranny, if necessary for years, if necessary alone. We shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender!"

+ Winston Churchill +

What a great speech with such a great meaning...

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 21:14

juliet

'thank god they never got corfu etc...' No but Constantinople still hurts doesn't it.

andysue


Joined: 12/11/2007
Posts: 891

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 21:17

so when are the greeks going to invade the north and take it back off turkey ? seems only option left now!



long live turkish cyprus!!

Soothsayer


Joined: 19/11/2008
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 21:34

A cap protects against agressive sun and cold. so take this advice seriosly as your brain cells are the ones which cant be renewed once they are dead.. Take good care of them.

If you wouldnt have interfered with your heavy smoke posting then you would have never got this comment from me.. so behave and be kind.. this election was very important to TCs and you have no right to mess things up accusing me or others of smoking heavy stuff.

so, whos got the neurones working?

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 21:40

msg 23, 24, 25,



so much for your caring about the tcs or any cypriots for that matter... sounds like you all want Turkey & couldnt give a flying **** for the tcs on the north...

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 21:45

Maybe they care a lot about the TC's and the TRNC but just don't give a flying **** (as you so elquently put it) for the GC's and the South.

Oh dear Election Blues after all that Blowing of trumpets for months, Lots of Eggs today eh! let's see only 8 more days and you can have anothe big portion.

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 21:48

my last post should also be aimed at you the saints.. soothsayer is a tc where is your compassion for the tcs who like he want the island for the cypriots?

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 21:56

juliet

I can quite honestly say that I do not know of any TC's that want to share this island with Greek Cypriots, Oh and by the way I know quite few.

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 22:03

I have lots of compassion for my TC friends in the TRNC but not one of them wants a UNITED cyprus they want the TRNC. By the way they are in the same local as AJ's friends.

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 22:04

well that explains a lot the saints..

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
20/04/2009 22:05

I definately do not have any compassion for you and your constant rantings which often leave you looking rather silly.

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 22:09

juliet

soothsayer? now where does he/she live? not in Cyprus I know.

Soothsayer


Joined: 19/11/2008
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 22:19

AJ - checking my ip? my log in data? I do live in trnc - unfortunatelly not at the moment.. so easy to pretend "I know sometihng what you dont know.." you Admins are funny. My hart is evry day in TRNC. Cyprus, my island..

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 22:20

Juliet may not be happy with the result but sadly she will have to live with it. Incidentally all of the TC's that I know were going to vote UBP, because they do not, nor ever will, trust the GC,s. As one wise old gentleman who originated from Paphos said, " how can we live side by side when he killed my brother and I killed his ", perhaps Juliet would like to meet him and hear it from the horses mouth.

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 22:20

Juliet msg 17



"why should the gcs have said yes to the annan plan????? we certainly wouldnt have had our village back let alone our house... "



I am sorry you seemed to be feigning concern for TC in your pervious posts, making out that mainland Turks were preventing them from finding a solution. Yet the reality is it was GC that refused the internationaly brokered and supported solution in 2003, not TC or mainland Turks. You blame those that voted yes to a solution and absolve those who voted no. I should of realised of course that your pretense that your care for TC was nothing but BS. Clearly the above shows the only thing you really care about. Blaming Turks and absolving GC is just an automatic reaction for you - reality is irrelevant.

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 22:22

What THE ONE who was there and witnessed the people in Lapta crying at the result?? Surely he/she must be in Lapta as He/She witnessed it all and is Juliets credibilty on this issue oh dear what ever next. More Chuckie Egg anyone??

rdsteve


Joined: 01/03/2009
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 22:23

Seems to me if you cannot agree the best way forward amongst yourselves and most of you have homes there what chance is there a settlement of a united island, but maybe the residents of the north are just playing into the hands of the Greek Cypriots by bickering amongst themselves because they dont need many excuses to avoid a settlement.



Steve

Lemtich



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Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 22:42

Soothsayer Message 18



I think you will find it is the Scots who currently rule England, not the Irish.



Lem

Turtle


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Message Posted:
20/04/2009 22:48

Ha Ha nice one Lem

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
21/04/2009 00:47

Dear AJ, re msg 15/22



I'm surprised that you keep maintaining the UBP vote was about the Cyprus Q.. LG has said more than once that most voters cared more about the economy and the "inability" of the CTP to control it.. I didn't see anyone countering him in those two posts...



I see a lot of nonsense posts about how UBP will influence things - when we know TR does this re the Cyprus issue..



Your comments to Juliet aren't exactly "mature" ... I mean she could retort about the "loss" of Ataturk's birth place or Rhodes or Crete...



I'm hoping for a little more realism.. from all contributors.. even Erolz seems to have "lost" it... :0



Erolz, you know VERY well that those in the north voted YES to Annan thinking it would bring economic stability - they even trusted the EU - to "control" GCs and to allow the TR army to go "home" .. it was the economy THEN and it is NOW..



GCs believed a man who history will show "conned" his people into voting no - no effort made at c

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
21/04/2009 00:48

(cont) from msg 40



no effort made at compromise negotiation at Burgenstock...

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
21/04/2009 00:59

mark



'I'm surprised that you keep maintaining the UBP vote was about the Cyprus Q.. LG has said more than once that most voters cared more about the economy and the "inability" of the CTP to control it.. I didn't see anyone countering him in those two posts... '



Well I am telling it as I see it whether you accept it or not and of course that is your privilege. But I still maintain that Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots are exactly that, worlds apart and have ever only tolerated each other but if you can prove otherwise then I will be happy to be corrected.

AJ

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
21/04/2009 01:05

Mark



'Your comments to Juliet aren't exactly "mature" ... I mean she could retort about the "loss" of Ataturk's birth place or Rhodes or Crete...'



Once juliet starts making 'mature' comments then he/she will get mature comments from me. I guess you know Mark that you have to talk to people on their own level. Not quite sure where your level is yet.

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
21/04/2009 01:07

And all of the above came from this??



I like to congratulate the UBP with its smashing victory in the 2009 elections for Parliament! It's even better than I hoped and much better than I expected. One thing is for sure: the new government cannot do worse than this CTPromises bunch.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
21/04/2009 01:16

Dear AJ, re msg 42



I'm sorry, but that didn't address my point - do you now say LG was incorrect? If so - why wait until today to say otherwise? !



I'm sorry, but we both know it suits your "world" that GCs and TCs are "worlds apart"..



Again we both know that TCs can and DO live amongst GCs and in modern day culture ANY GC picking on a TC is in deep doo doo....



You tolerate my difference of opinion to me, and we could even sup a pint or two and chew the fact... If Paisley and McGuinness can manage...

vincehugo


Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 208

Message Posted:
21/04/2009 01:28

Soothsayer Re Msg 18



"BTW: Lapta was a greek village so most people living there are TURKs"



Please help me to understand the logic behind this statement. I'm guessing you mean a Greek Cypriot village but how would that lead you to conclude that most people living there are TURKS?

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
21/04/2009 01:28

Dear AJ, re msg 43



you know what my "level" is - very well.... you can remind me when I "sink" below it and I'll do the same for you ;)

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
21/04/2009 01:38

Mark

'I'm sorry, but we both know it suits your "world" that GCs and TCs are "worlds apart"..'

No it does not 'suit my world'. Believe it or not that is the situation as I see it. I don't need to live in the TRNC but one of the reasons I do is because of my empathy for the Turkish Cypriots. I am not blind to what goes on in the big wide world and the Greek Cypriots were ultimately the ones that opened my eyes to what was and still is going on in Cyprus. Please don't patronise me Mark, I make my mind up about what I do in my life based on far more important information sources than yourself and juliet.

Anyway next time (if ever) you are out in the TRNC then the beers are on you.

AJ

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
21/04/2009 03:33

Mark you have missed my point entirely



Juliet claimed to care about TC and takes an opportuinity to blame mainland Turks for voting in UBP, and thus according to her underminning TC ability to agree a settlement.



My point in answer to this is that the SAME people (TC and mainland Turks) voted FOR a settlement. It was NOT Turkey OR mainland Turks with votes in the TRNC that stopped this settlement. it was GC who did this.



Of course economics was a big factor in the Annan vote and in the recent elections in the North. So what ? Ignoring the fact that the TC community, with mainland Turks included voted FOR a settlement is something Juliet chooses to ignore, even though it totaly undermins her argument that TC want a settlement but mainland Turks stop them from achieving one.



There is no one single issue that influences everyone the same, but the fact is that the biggest factor in the reduction in support in the North for a settlement



[cont]

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
21/04/2009 03:37

is the rejection of the GC of the Annan plan and the failure of the EU to deliver on it's comittments to the TC community following that because of GC blocking. Juliet can try and lay all the blame for the change in attitudes in the North re a settlement on Turks, but the reality is that it is GC and their behviour that has eroded support for a settlment in the North more than any other single factor, not Turkey or mainland Turks. That is the reality and it one tha Juliet will not face, fopr accepting the responsibility for the effects of HER communities actions is something she is incapable of doing it would seem.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
21/04/2009 03:38

Dear AJ, re msg 48



"Please don't patronise me Mark, I make my mind up about what I do in my life based on far more important information sources than yourself and juliet.

"



..and do try not to kid me or yourself AJ.. .... you declared other reasons for choosing to live in "TRNC" in another place ... empathy with TCs was not amongst the reasons.. !



You and I go back a long, long way, remember ..?



Think hard - I'll buy the first round.. no problem..

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
21/04/2009 03:40

..especially when I won't have to show any ID to move around Cyprus... I hope you look forward to that day as much as me...

Lambousa Gordon


Joined: 03/11/2007
Posts: 1992

Message Posted:
21/04/2009 09:55

Re Soothsayer's Msg 18



QUOTE



"BTW: Lapta was a greek village so most people living there are TURKs. ..."



UNQUOTE





Untrue Soothsayer, Lapta was very much a MIXED village, which, if you bothered to check your facts at all would be self-evident from the co-existence of both Churches and Mosques, Orthodox Christian and Muslim graveyards in the village - all pre-dating 1974.



In point of fact my Father bought in Lapta (starting in 1969) because the GC administered Tapu Dairesi in Kyrenia refused to allow him, as a TC, to buy GC owned land and the beach-front land closest to Kyrenia which he could buy from a TC (and which had good water) was on the Lapta littoral.

Lambousa Gordon


Joined: 03/11/2007
Posts: 1992

Message Posted:
21/04/2009 10:08

Again Re Soothsayer's Msg 18



QUOTE



"another 20% of TCs votet protest for ubp. - but they did not expected this outcome.. there were a lot of tears from real TCs..."



UNQUOTE



and Msg 33



QUOTE



"I do live in trnc - unfortunatelly not at the moment."



UNQUOTE



So you witnessed these hysterics for yourself did you?



I can tell you that, as a "real" TC personally witnessing the elections with hundreds of other "real" TCs the overwhelming feeling was that we had succeeded in throwing out a Government that had successfully Zimbabwefied Northern Cyprus. i.e. You either worked for the Government or you were horribly abused by them.



This election had NOTHING to do with the CyProb. It had EVERYTHING to do with how CTP completely mismanaged the North internally and left everyone in the Private Sector as prey to a burdensome, arrogant, overweening and massively inefficient Public Sector.

Lambousa Gordon


Joined: 03/11/2007
Posts: 1992

Message Posted:
21/04/2009 10:10

Continued...



As with most elections it was not so much the opposition that won the vote as much as the Government that lost it.



A better quote for this election might be:



"The national budget must be balanced. The public debt must be reduced; the arrogance of the authorities must be moderated and controlled. Payments to foreign governments must be reduced, if the nation doesn't want to go bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance."



Cicero 106-43 BC

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
21/04/2009 10:11

Hi Gordon, re msg 53



Lapitos / Lapta was indeed mixed.. I once found a map of CY showing the ethnic make up c.1960 with the old colonial govt "ordinance survey" markings..



Can't find it now .. but found this which I "believe" is the same map..



http://www.kypros-cyprus.com/maps/1960.jpg



If you travel from Larnaca airport - north - on the highway - you'll find a "protest sign" from the Lapitos GCs - asking for Turkish "settlers" and TR troops to leave Cyprus..



I think they think there's a sizeable mainland population in their village !

Lambousa Gordon


Joined: 03/11/2007
Posts: 1992

Message Posted:
21/04/2009 10:15

Hi Mark



I wasn't saying that there are no mainlanders settled in Lapta. I was just taking issue with Soothsayer's loose grasp of the facts.



As it is my Father restored one of the Orthodox chapels (near the Lambousa) and we had to call the police when a European gentleman tried to have its doors stolen for his house.

TheSaints



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Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
21/04/2009 14:10

For those who can not handle the results of the election or choose to believe they know better. read msg 53, 54 & 55 the words of a "real TC" on what outcome the real TC's wanted and it had nothing to do with a solution.

It was based on thier discontent with the government and they way the country was being administrated.