Is a two state Cyprus now the only solution

dodger



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Message Posted:
21/04/2009 01:21

Now all the votes have been cast and the u.b.p. are firmly entrenched as the new party to serve Northern Cyprus,is it a forgone conclusion to expect a two party state.Will Northern Cyprus still only be recognised by Turkey and therefore still have to be governed by embargoes.



Going forward what has the north gained by choosing the u.b.p. as their party,will Turkey continue to play mind games with the e.u. and how long will the e.u. allow them to do this.I personally cannot see how the north could have gone with a "united" cyprus as it would never have been "united",as the gcs would still have had almost complete control.



My heart goes out to the people of the north that wanted a solution and feel that the vote was massiveley swayed by the Turkish settlers,but i hope that a two party state with lifted embargoes will change their minds.Still lots of twists and turns to come on this very difficult and challenging subject.Not every one will be happy with the outcome,

greylag


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Message Posted:
21/04/2009 10:57

How long will the new party be in power for,and what are their political beliefs.

charb


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Message Posted:
21/04/2009 12:27

to msg 1: TRNC being recognised is a dream. It's been more than 25 years that no country but Turkey recognised TRNC, and this will not change for sure. Before TRNC, there was a Turkish Federal State, which was recognised by the whole world and there was no embargos. And at those times, TC's and GC's both agreed that the solution will be a federation. So, the only wise thing to do is to reach to a solution, which is a federation. But I don't know how this will be with UBP.

to msg 2: officially they will be in power for 5 years, if there won't be an early election. They believe TRNC should last foever, and the whole world should recognise TRNC.

greylag


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Message Posted:
21/04/2009 13:34

Thanks Charb,

What do you think the chances of being a federal state again are,

G.

fire starter


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Message Posted:
21/04/2009 15:02

my feelings are that with this election result the tc's sold their souls for a few quid from turkey. also prolonging the solution.

they see no futher than today and tomorrow, i feel sorry for them!

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
21/04/2009 15:14

My feelings are that TC's voted for what they wanted which is rid of the government that was doing no good what so ever for TRNC.

Who say's it will prolong a solution?? Sold thier sole for a few quid from Turkey?? I really don't think so, it comes down to pride, the TC's I know are very proud to be Cypriots but they also want thier own state within cyprus, it may make no difference at all to how long a solution takes the only thing that may differ is the outcome.

I don't feel sorry for them I rejoice in thier happiness.

greylag


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Message Posted:
21/04/2009 16:25

I see it as a big two finger salute to the Greek Cyps,

G.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
21/04/2009 17:00

Re msg 7, Greylaq



"I see it as a big two finger salute to the Greek Cyps"



Can you explain how we have TCs on here telling the vote was about the ECONOMY can be ANYTHING to do with GCs ??!!



Let's say you were right.. voting UBP won't make a jot of difference to the Cyprus Q .. TR decides ...

fire starter


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Message Posted:
21/04/2009 17:24

its not about pride, its about money.

Lilli



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Message Posted:
21/04/2009 17:29

Hi Dodger the way hings are going I see it being the same as Ireland. Spaking to a tc friend last night and not everybody is happy. They do all say however is that there will never be reunicifation xx

fire starter


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Message Posted:
21/04/2009 17:36

i was just reading that the voting turnout was just over 80%, so i wonder how the other 20% ish felt, they could have changed the result.

i recon they knew it was pointless and didn't bother.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
21/04/2009 17:39

Dear Lilli, good afternoon re your msg 10



Pls explain to this Ulsterman how Cyprus is like Ireland.. your post implies negativity... As an Ulster proddie - I can even see a time when more folk in the north of my country might vote to be as one state - through natural demographics...



My ex would never believe I carry an Irish passport ;)



"They do all say however is that there will never be reunicifation"



I don't think many Cypriots WANT re-unification - the federated two ethnic zones concept - as part of one state - that's a "goer"... IF the property / TR army / TR mainlander population "import" issue can be resolved ..

IloveKKTC


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Message Posted:
21/04/2009 17:44

Reply to Mes 12:



The property / is solved TRNC free hold as stated on all Kocans



TR army / here to protect the TC from The GC as they would attack attack and use them new weapons they have just bought at the first chance they get



TR mainlander population / here to stay



"import" issue can be resolved / easily solved we just become another state ofTurkey.



Long live KKTC

Lilli



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Message Posted:
21/04/2009 17:52

Hi 6ms I just meant 2 seperate states. I carry my Irish passport with prideIm sorry I didnt mean to sound negative and I beleive in what you say about the north. All my life I hoped for a united Ireland. love to your beautiful wife xx

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
21/04/2009 19:07

Dear Lilli, re msg 14



)



Take care, and thanks..

Harlequin


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Message Posted:
21/04/2009 20:46

Gordon Bennet!!!!



In 1050BC Greeks took over

750BC Assyrians, Egyptians, Macedonians (Alexander the Great who was not Greek)

In 58BC Cyprus became part of the Roman Empire.



Then we got

Byzantium

Richard the Lionheart

Knights Templar

Lusignans

Venetians

Ottomans (1571)

British 1878

Independence 1960



Then several assasination attempts by GREECE against the Cypriot President

The in 1974 a Greek organised coup against the Cypriot governmant.



The so called Greek Cypriots are NOT Greek, not by any stretch of the imagination. They just believe some silly fairy story.



Stop calling them that.

dodger



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Message Posted:
21/04/2009 23:15

So if the north became a recognised part of Turkey and they both where classed as a federal Republic,the north would then be free to trade,embargoes on trade and travel lifted jobs a good un,

Paul.

joseph


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Message Posted:
21/04/2009 23:23

Harlequin re msg 16...



Don't forget my lot from those long ago days... The Phoenicians...



Got there before anybody... Think I'll put my claim in now



Regards Joseph

dodger



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Message Posted:
21/04/2009 23:30

http://phoenicia.org/colonies.html



There you go Joe.

proger1



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Message Posted:
21/04/2009 23:38

Damn Joe, You guys really got into the coastline real estate situation in a big way, who new apart from dodger of course

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
21/04/2009 23:41

Paul

Ref message 17



'So if the north became a recognised part of Turkey and they both where classed as a federal Republic,the north would then be free to trade,embargoes on trade and travel lifted jobs a good un, '



I have always maintained that is what will be the ultimate conclusion.

AJ

proger1



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Message Posted:
21/04/2009 23:45

And how long do you think you will have to wait for that conclusion AJ ??

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
21/04/2009 23:52

proger1

Who knows but it will be sooner rather than later. The TRNC becoming a legitimate province of Turkey will solve all of the problems.

AJ

proger1



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 00:03

As I understand things which is admittedly not that well, it won't solve all of the problems but it will be a good start

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 00:14

Dear AJ, re msg 23



Turkey is more likely to break up into three parts, than part of CY become part of Turkey.... have you been on the Baltika 7's ;) ?



Not in a million years...

proger1



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 00:17

Please let me know if baltika 7 is the standard libation Mark, I have some dodgy memories from them

dodger



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 00:19

Proger and dodger what a double act.



Jack great minds think alike re mess 21

proger1



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 00:23

It used to be my nick name but I hated it, for some reason everyone had to put Jammy in front !!!

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 00:25

Hi Paul re msg 26



I wouldn't be able to type if I'd had a couple of Baltika 7s ;)

proger1



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 00:27

I never tried the typing part, I struggled too much with the speaking and for some reason the kazan answer to a Baltika headache was a quart of Vodka for breakfast, I do miss my father in laws traditions sometimes !!!

canyavuz


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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 01:11

the only solution is to.......stay as it is now.

GC's would never settle for a two state solution. They want a one state solution, and most of us know that this isn't going to work.



Put it this way......Greek cypriots will never settle for a fair solution. It sounds a little harsh, but is true.

They will not settle with having the same power as turkish cypriots.



A typical example is the annan plan. YES, it was completely fair for both sides, and that's exactly why they rejected it.

Turkish cypriots would have had to send back a majority of their turkish settler population, and a large number of the turkish armed forces.

Turkish cypriot would have been giving in alot.

But the only reason for the Greek rejection was the "unfair property solution".

They need to learn to give a little, instead of want want want!

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 09:38

Dear Canyaavuz,

re msg 31



An interesting - but totally flawed analysis..



1/ Annan WAS biased to the TCs - but mostly because the GC leader didn't negotiate in good faith - allowing the UN to "fill in the blanks"..



2/ The GC leadership has repeatedly said - during the on-going tlaks - that they are based on the one state, bizonal federation concept





3/ "Turkish cypriots would have had to send back a majority of their turkish settler population, and a large number of the turkish armed forces. "



Many TCs DID vote for just such a concept ..



4/" the only reason for the Greek rejection was the "unfair property solution". "



The main reason was GCs were constantly reminded that wouldn't be able to live, work anywhere they pleased and couldn't return to THEIR homes - their Human Rights - as had been found in several ECHR cases - were being "sacrificed" - "not to EU norms"...



Instead of blaming GCs -in general - you should blame their leadership at the time.

fire starter


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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 09:50

can

i'm interested how you feel you can speak for what the gc people want?

thats not what mr c is saying!

sylvie


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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 09:51

i do agree lili, they just have been disapointed by the party so they try something else to see if economical situation can be better - today's life is what most TC think about - reunification is not at all in their mind anymore since the last referendum ! the way it is is maybe not the best solution but at less they sleep in peace and the younger generation will not have to face an other war - my husband was 13 in 63 - 10 years after - starts again at less since 73 nothing happen - if there is a price to pay for peace they are ready to accept it -



see you next week lili -

greylag


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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 14:02

I have heard that it is already a done deal anyway,

G.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 21:16

A link that some of you GC sympathizers might want to read.

An article in the Famagusta Gazette written by Dr. Marios Matsakis, MEP, Member of the Joint Parliamentary Committee EU- Turkey.



In particular I would point you to these two paragraphs:



'It is now clearer than ever that, not the Turkish Cypriot people but Turkey holds the key to finding a solution to the Cyprus problem. And it is evident that, it is Turkey´s wish for the Peace negotiations in Cyprus to fail, which they certainly will after the aforementioned "elections".



Such failure suits Turkey´s plans to keep the status quo of the occupation of the northern part of Cyprus and eventually annexing it and possibly the whole of Cyprus in the future, to mainland Turkey.'



Now what was I saying about the TRNC becoming a province of Turkey?

It seems as though some one on the other side has the same 'concerns'

AJ

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 21:21

Sorry I forgot the link:

http://www.famagusta-gazette.com/default.asp?sourceid=&smenu=81&twindow=Default&mad=No&sdetail=8459&wpage=&skeyword=&sidate=&ccat=&ccatm=&restate=&restatus=&reoption=&retype=&repmin=&repmax=&rebed=&rebath=&subname=&pform=&sc=2350&hn=famagusta-gazette&he=.com

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 21:43

Also from 'ekathimerini'

Link: http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_world_0_22/04/2009_106494



'Pundits said the defeat for Talat's backers, the Republican Turkish Party (CTP), was the result of frustration among Turkish Cypriots with their continuing isolation and mounting pessimism about the peace talks.



Talat has been negotiating for a bizonal federation, but Eroglu's UBP has for years demanded a two-state solution - something which is vehemently rejected by the Greek Cypriots.



On Monday evening, the election winner restated his party's position. «There are two peoples, two states and two democracies on the island of Cyprus. We support any settlement... within this framework,» Eroglu said.'



Now for those that thought the outcome of the elections were about the failing economy in the TRNC then you were all almost right but there was and still is a bigger picture about why TC's and T's voted the way they did.

AJ

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 21:54

RE msg 16, Harlequin > In 1050BC Greeks took over (...) The so called Greek Cypriots are NOT Greek, <



=> Hmmm. What happened to the Greeks from 1050 BC...?! Or are your "Greeks" the Acheans (Indo-European people) who invaded what is now called Greece, creating the Greek language and founding Mycenae..?

dodger



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 22:01

Jack,

Re-Mess 26 they dont like it up em.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 22:01

Just to remind myself of a nice after-election day I quote again (thanks, AJ):



On Monday evening (April 20, 2009), the election winner restated his party's position. "There are two peoples, two states and two democracies on the island of Cyprus. We support any settlement... within this framework", Eroglu said.



On purpose again:



On Monday evening (April 20, 2009), the election winner restated his party's position. "There are two peoples, two states and two democracies on the island of Cyprus. We support any settlement... within this framework", Eroglu said.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 22:03

Hahaha! Can't get enough of it...



On Monday evening (April 20, 2009), the election winner restated his party's position. "There are two peoples, two states and two democracies on the island of Cyprus. We support any settlement... within this framework", Eroglu said.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 22:05

OK, one more time for MarkyMark (6xm)...:



On Monday evening (April 20, 2009), the election winner restated his party's position. "There are two peoples, two states and two democracies on the island of Cyprus. We support any settlement... within this framework", Eroglu said.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 22:06

Take it easy, juliet...! This is for you..:



On Monday evening (April 20, 2009), the election winner restated his party's position. "There are two peoples, two states and two democracies on the island of Cyprus. We support any settlement... within this framework", Eroglu said.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 22:07

For anyone who missed what Mr. Eroglu said..:



On Monday evening (April 20, 2009), the election winner restated his party's position. "There are two peoples, two states and two democracies on the island of Cyprus. We support any settlement... within this framework", Eroglu said.

juliet


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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 22:26

www.cyprus-mail.com



front page is a qoute from Turkey.... DC celebrate while you can.. oops look like you have already started... hope you dont have a severe hangover when the truth hits home...

dodger



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 22:28

What did he again say Dutch re-unification, lol

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 22:29

juliet

No comments on what your compatriots have to say in the GC/G press?

Oh and by the way get your links sorted out.

juliet


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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 22:31

read the front page of todays cyprus mail AJ, the gcs are not worried, without us turkey wont be able to get in the EU & believe me they want to desperatly be part of the gang...

BillBarnacle


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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 22:32

juliet msg 46



well he is hardly likely to say otherwise.all they need to do now is engineer away for the GC side to be blamed for the failure again

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 22:33

RE msg 47, dodger > What did he again say Dutch <



=> Can't you read, dodger? He said: On Monday evening (April 20, 2009), the election winner restated his party's position. "There are two peoples, two states and two democracies on the island of Cyprus. We support any settlement... within this framework", Eroglu said.

BillBarnacle


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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 22:36

juliet msg 49



the first time the GC dare to use a veto will be the last time they get to use it

much as I hate the EU they wont tolerate the pipsqueak GCs holding the union to ransom.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 22:38

RE msg 49, juliet > without us turkey wont be able to get in the EU <



=> Whoooaaa! "Without us"... Do you really think the RoC ("Rest of Cyprus") can go on blackmailing the EU for ever..? Just a second, I have to look up the right word for your arrogance, yep, I got it: overestimation.

dodger



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 22:44

Turkey are so much more powerful then Greece anyway.The e.u. wont want them to turn their backs on them and end up with the middle east gang.Turkey offer so much,

Paul.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 22:46

juliet

'read the front page of todays cyprus mail AJ, the gcs are not worried, without us turkey wont be able to get in the EU'



Yippee



'& believe me they want to desperatly be part of the gang...'



Well not so sure about that one, there are certain other countries that are desperate for Turkey to be part of the EU. It would be interesting for you to tell us all what the state of accession talks are at the moment and why Turkey have stalled on some major key discussion topics.

AJ

dodger



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 22:53

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=45261&cat_id=1



There you go Dee,

Paul.

karakum5c



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 22:53

The EU leaders have been discussing the removal of the veto by states against the overall majority view of the of the rest of the community, the ROC will have a busted flush.



The future of the TRNC would be better served as being a province of Turkey, just like the ROC who appear to follow whatever Athens says

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 23:06

Oh juliet

Where is 6xm when you need him?

hattikins


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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 23:08

She is a bit out of her depth without the usual back up team, you would think she would take a back seat for a while.

juliet


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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 23:14

msg 57



The republic of Cyprus DO not follow what Athens tell them, have you forgotten we are an independent country in the EU & are doing quite well thankyou... except for the fact we are the only divided country in the world due to the country you seem to look up to.... how is Glasgow...

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 23:18

hattikins

He/she is probably 'phoning a friend' as we speak.

AJ

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 23:20

AJ THE friend may be out then what???

hattikins


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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 23:22

Oh No, eggs again.

juliet


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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 23:23

maybe you should try anwsering the thread below if you want to give some sound advice..

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 23:25

juliet

What the **** are you on about?

juliet


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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 23:25

the one about the washing line..... surley someone in the north must be able to anwser, no need for questions like that living in the south of the island...

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 23:27

Please juliet phone mark, I would much rather discuss politics with him. At least sometimes he does make sense.

hattikins


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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 23:27

Message 65

Quite !!

juliet


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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 23:29

oh hattikins & eggs are not off topic? AJ only talks politics didnt you know....

hattikins


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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 23:31

About as off topic as washing lines, but heh ho, whatever floats your boat Juliet.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 23:32

Is it me or has juliet really lost the plot? I have stuck up for her/him in the past but her/his postings are making no sense to me now.

hattikins


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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 23:34

I don't think it's you AJ, but show some compassion please.

juliet


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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 23:36

and neither did msg 61, 62, 63,AJ i thought mentioning a simple request like the washing line thread might be up more peoples street than debating about this topic..

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 23:36

Yes show the exact amount of compassion she shows in some of her more venomous postings er sorry rantings.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 23:38

Oh by the way the 'phone a friend' worked, standby!!!

hattikins


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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 23:40

Here comes the cavalry I expect.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 23:57

It might take a while, Marky has to work his way through the threads but 'as sure as eggs is eggs' he will be here.

Oh dear did I mention eggs?

hattikins


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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 23:58

And he doesn't do one liners !!

juliet


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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 23:59

im surprised tiggy & rowlo havn`t made an apperance....

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
23/04/2009 00:06

juliet

Unfortunately your knight in shining armour , despite logging on, has reviewed the postings and has logged off again so it appears that he did not feel the need to support you on this occasion. Friends? who needs them.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
23/04/2009 00:43

Whoops

Mark has now logged on again but juliet has logged off. Oh well thats life.

canyavuz


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Message Posted:
23/04/2009 00:50

I find it hard to see why, or how, so many British expats are sympathetic for GC's.

Especially mmmmmmm.

EOKA undertook mass killings against the British when trying to bring an end to the colonial rule. Even to this day they dont want the British base present on the island.

These people hate your damn guts.......why do you love them so much?

Makarios.....hated your guts.

Sampson......hated your guts.

Dimitris Christofias.......hates your guts.



Why do you still defend them? Please wake up and smell the kebab........

Arthur


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Message Posted:
23/04/2009 00:52

Why am I not surprised Juliet/Suzanne has posted on this thread.................



I'm amazed Private Pike/Macha/Cylad hasn't...............

proger1



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Message Posted:
23/04/2009 00:57

Don't know if this will help you understand Can but I am British by means of being Scottish and I was raised to hate the English for something that happened centuires ago but in the same respect I feel sorry for the English and the main reason is because they have to put up with Scottish people like me.

before anyone gets offended, its meant to be humour. Some of the best people who buy me beer are english !!!!

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
23/04/2009 01:08

Thats cos yer too tight to put yer hand in yer Sporran and get the bevvies in, nevermind put that to rights when we all hook up.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2918

Message Posted:
23/04/2009 01:11

Thats completely untrue, I do put my hand in my sporran but by the time you get your mobile, cigarettes, lighter and keys there never seems to be enough room for a wallet but I suppose I will have to buy the first round now, look forward to it

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
23/04/2009 01:12

Dear AJ, re msg 80 et al



I was hoping in my absence you might have countered why TR will not be "annexing" the northern part of Cyprus...



it seems Juliet is more "fun" than dealing with FACTS... ?!



DC, it seems to matter more to you than to the world outside Cyprus that the UBP have been elected.. we both know that TR really dictates what will happen..



karakum5c



What HAS Athens got to do with Cyprus, these days - other than telling them to find a settlement based on the UN framework and asking TR to comply with the Ankara accord ?

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
23/04/2009 09:01

RE msg 87, 6xm > DC, it seems to matter more to you than to the world outside Cyprus that the UBP have been elected.. we both know that TR really dictates what will happen.. <



=> What did Mr. Erdogan or Mr. Gül tell you this morning in your daily phone conversation..? For one reason or another you seem to have better relations with Turkey than all of us here in the North...

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
23/04/2009 09:06

re msg 8, DC



" What did Mr. Erdogan or Mr. Gül tell you this morning in your daily phone conversation..? For one reason or another you seem to have better relations with Turkey than all of us here in the North..."



I just talk to TCs and Turks who are "realistic", Hans ;)

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
23/04/2009 10:27

can

you have a very short memory!

i can remember chatting with an old boy who served out here, a brit.

he would tell you it wasn't just the gc's who shot at him but also the tc's.

selective history just like the dutchman? i guess so!

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
23/04/2009 11:11

RE msg 89, 6xm > I just talk to TCs and Turks who are "realistic", Hans ;) <



=> Your problem seems to be then that your TC's and Turks all voted for losing parties in TRNC...

charb


Joined: 17/03/2009
Posts: 188

Message Posted:
23/04/2009 16:31

Facts and figures #1:

- CTP lost the elections because Turkey did not financially support CTP, hence CTP tried to reduce the costs in the budget. Have you seen the news that Turkey will send about 800 million TL this year to the TRNC? How ironic, because the agreement was signed by Mr Soyer.

- CTP lost the elections because they advertised on "the green way to EU", but nearly th whole community has been angryto EU as they have not kept their promises after "yes" to Annan Plan. It was a bad strategy.

- CTP lost the elections because they were kinda fairer in terms of employment to the government or corruption-wise, but not enough. People either say "you are the same as other parties, you employed your own fans / you too are corrupted", or you did not employ my wife/ husband/ daughter/ son etc, so why will I vote for you" etc. In short, they made no one happy.

- TRNC wil NEVER EVER be a part of Turkey for sure. This is what the nationalists in Turkey and TRNC want, [cont]

charb


Joined: 17/03/2009
Posts: 188

Message Posted:
23/04/2009 16:40

[cont] and Turkey is wise to know that such a move means isolation of Turkey from the whole world. Opposing to that, Turkey starts to be a regional power in the Middle East; trying to have good relations with the neighbors, like Armenia, Iraq, etc.

- The only solution for Turkey is supporting a federation in Cyprus. As the power of nationalists and the Turkish Army will decrease, this solution will be possible in the near future. And there will be such a decrease, as Ergenekon Case is going on.

- My last words to the Brits here; no offence, but about the property issues in TRNC, no one can be above the international law; that is, the real owner of the property has his/her rights at the first place, no matter what the current situation is. Don't forget this fact, and don't grow up false hopes that TRNC will be annexed to Turkey, or some TRNC governor guarrantees your rights, etc.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
23/04/2009 20:39

RE msg 93, charb > - My last words to the Brits here; no offence, but about the property issues in TRNC, no one can be above the international law; that is, the real owner of the property has his/her rights at the first place, no matter what the current situation is. <



=> juliet, 6xm, fire_starter, pikey and the latest member of the Southern gang: charb. Just what we need.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
24/04/2009 00:05

Dear DC re msg 91



"your problem seems to be then that your TC's and Turks all voted for losing parties in TRNC..."



No DC - that was an EXAMPLE .. I know TCs / Turks voted for UBP as they blamed CTP for economic woes.. but let's not let that get it the way of a "dig" ))

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
24/04/2009 00:09

Hi DC,



don't worry too much - Juliet had been banned by AJ - re the Orams' thread - which I think was best left until AFTER the "verdict"



So you just have to put up with Charb , me, the UN, et al ;)