I told you re unification will never happen

LondonCypriot


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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 03:38

Now move on.........................

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 07:10

I have never thought or wanted reunification...unless the tc's wanted it and clearly they do not or else they would not have elected the UBP in power...to quote the words of Musin



long live the KKTC

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 09:24

re msg 2, Dee,



Did you READ posts re the elections ?!



LG has repeatedly pointed out that MOST of the votes were about the ECONOMY..



How many times, De.. UBP, CTP, DP.. it doesn't matter WHO wins re the CY problem.. TURKEY will decide which plan it likes...

fire starter


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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 09:51

hopefully mr t will make some real progress and he has a lot of international backing.

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 10:27

Well the GC's didn't want a time scale putting on the talks, but now they have one whether they like it or not - it's when President Talat resigns/is voted out. He's already said he will quit if he thinks nothing's happening by the end of the year and even if he stays he probably won't make it past the next presidential election. With the man from the UBP sat between him and Mr.C at the "talks" it looks like that's all they'll be.

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 10:36

The Gc's want everything their way and it ain't gonna happen so they may as well get used to that...two state solution.

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 10:38

So border do you finally accept that the island will never reunify?

juliet


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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 11:29

No Dee the gcs & the tcs want what is rightfully theres.... are you worried someone will take you to court for there land your house is on?... dont worry i am sure whoever the REAL land owner is they will only want compo & not have your house pulled down... but then again.... & yes the island will be reunified its the only way Turkey can join the EU & they do want to join....

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 11:54

Dearest Dee, re msg 7



So border do you finally accept that the island will never reunify?



You are only approx 4 yrs older than me, but may be the effects of old age have impaired your memory ?!



Two weeks ago we corresponded and agreed that the only possible route to reunification was via the UN one state , bi-zonal federated approach...



Just like the Mosques.. I remember what you say ;)

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 12:30

oh.to much sun.to much effes. or maybe its dementia !

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 22:13

On Monday evening (April 20, 2009), the election winner restated his party's position. "There are two peoples, two states and two democracies on the island of Cyprus. We support any settlement... within this framework", Eroglu said.

juliet


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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 22:19

the saints



what he says dosn`t count.. Its what Turkey say that counts & they have already said Eroglu can sit in on the talks but cannot interfere....

dodger



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 22:21

Two states for me with embargoes lifted.The north becomes part of Turkey and hence is then recognised by the rest of the world.Re-unification was always a pipe dream anyway,

pAUL.

karakum5c



Joined: 18/03/2008
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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 22:28

The talks will now be put on the back burner as far as the Tc negiotators are concerned, we will have to wait for another change of government sometime in the future in the north and allow them a couple of years to get the ball rolling again.



So nothing is going to happen untill at least 2015 maybe even longer than that



Reunification is a bed time fairy story we can tell our grand children about at bedtime.



LONG LIVE THE KKTC

dodger



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 22:30

http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_world_1_22/04/2009_106493



The question is how much power do the French have would themselves and the Greeks make a stand,

Paul.

dodger



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 22:33

Karakum,

I thiought the two leaders met today.Please expand on mess 14.

juliet


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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 22:33

dodger read the front page of the cyprus mail



http//cyprus-mail.com

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 22:41

It was always going to be a two state deal anyway you know it makes sense.

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 22:44

Oh yes I read it, Turkey will not let UBP influence the talks that's because Turkey already knows the outcome are we already looking at annexation??

karakum5c



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 22:45

Dodger -- two men met, one a leader of his people the other now a figure head with no real backing at home !

dodger



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 22:47

Karakum,

Do you think that they are just going through the motions,

Paul.

karakum5c



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 22:59

Dodger--- both sides have achieved as much as they can sell to their electorates back home without major back lashes from Tcs & Gcs, better to let things just slowly carry on with a few good quotes and photo opportunities !

dodger



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 23:04

Two states then with Turkey and the north becoming federal,

Paul.

juliet


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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 23:05

msg 22



And your info comes from where???????????????



sorry to dissapoint you but the talks are going well..... just because YOU dont want them to succeed....

karakum5c



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 23:15

Juliet --- i was in the TRNC for the elections , no one was interested in turning Cyprus into some kind of federal state, i attended election rallies of all the major parties talked to many people enjoyed the atmosphere and loved the cavalcades greatly, its the way politics used to be in the UK with plenty of enthusiasm especially from young people, very refreshing.

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 23:16

of course they are going well, the yanks and the international community want Turkey in Europe so Turkey will get want they want out of the talks the TC's will get TRNC either as an annex to Turkey or as a state in a Bi Zonal Cyprus. One thing is certain there will be no straight unification though you know that deep down but you won't admit it.

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 23:18

except it was watched by only people in the north of Cyprus & maybe a few in Turkey... the elections will NOT change anything

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 23:22

I also think they are just going through the motions. The deal was done weeks ago. Two seperate states, no doubt in my mind.

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
22/04/2009 23:28

Bill will they call it the United States of Cyprus or The United States of Turkey??

juliet


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Message Posted:
23/04/2009 00:02

wake up boys.... plzzzz what will you do when the island is one again? will you stay in Cyprus or go somewhere else?

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
23/04/2009 00:11

Wow she is is having those illusions again or is that delusions, you know you really are in for some big disapointments.

Turkey will get what they want why because the Yanks and many EU and some Non EU states want Turkey in the EU, Cyprus will be told what to do and they will do as they are told by the EU and the Yanks.

You really believe that the GC's have a real say in what is going to happen??

Get real.

Lilli



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Message Posted:
23/04/2009 00:13

We wll not change one thing. all the talks and all thats goes with it has already be decided. It would be nice if Mr T goes down in history as the man who can change the course of history.All these things are going on without us knowing the outcome. Tonight we had EU people in and thier answer NEVER IN OUR LIFETIME. Resaons I dont know know as nobody would xpand just that answer There are more questions than answers at the moment xxxxxxx

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
23/04/2009 00:43

Dear "the Saints" / Juliet et al





1/ The only game in town via the UN *one state* , bi-zonal federated approach...



2/ UBP being elected doesn't change a thing.



3/ Turkey is quite clearly NOT getting what she wants from the EU and won't unless they comply to the Ankara accord they *signed* - if nought happens Turkey will continue to have to deal with claims at the IPC and it can't afford 'em if GCs "wise up" or the ECHR transfers all the cases before ECHR on hold.



4/ GC side will HAVE to accept Annan like soln - possibly the deal will mean

i / usurped property become leasehold

ii/ more TR "settlers" allowed to remain.



One thing is for sure.. those who say - nought will change haven't A CLUE

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
23/04/2009 01:16

Things will change there is no doubt, but as to what and how, we NONE of us have a clue as everything on here is assumption.



We will know when they let us know and until then we can happily carry on ussuming and widing each other up in the best tradition.

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
23/04/2009 01:17

My spelling is suffering since coming on here good job LEM the editor is not on yet.

halffull


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Message Posted:
23/04/2009 01:37

you experts seem to have a lot to say about nothing. As long as theTCs are happy and we can continue to enjoy living in this beautiful place who cares about the rest?

LondonCypriot


Joined: 15/12/2008
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Message Posted:
23/04/2009 03:18

Why should there be a single Cyprus. There are two different ethnic Turks living in the TRNC now, it is the majority who will decide along with the Turkish generals and not the Turkish government. Do you get that in your head?

Aussie


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Message Posted:
23/04/2009 08:23

I wouldn't get too hung about the process.



If the GC's were serious about reunification the talks would have been over with long before now (wasn't 35 years enough time for preparation). I can't see them voting for any reasonable proposal such as Annan and many just pay lip service to reunification which is code for an effective takeover of the North. The best indicator of there reaction to a neutral or fair plan is still the Annan vote.



Full rights of return would make a mockery of the idea of a bi communal federation, but without it its hard to see the majority of GC's voting yes.



A yes vote for a fair Annan style plan in the TRNC is also now far from certain given the lack of good faith from the EU on the promised lifting of embargoes etc.



Aussie

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
23/04/2009 08:48

RE msg 32, lilli > It would be nice if Mr T goes down in history as the man who can change the course of history. <



=> Well, for me it's enough that he goes down in history. The sooner the better. Preferably: now.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
23/04/2009 09:16

re msg 37, LondonCyp



"it is the majority who will decide along with the Turkish generals and not the Turkish government. Do you get that in your head?"



So which is it, LC..?



The folk living in Cyprus, or the Turkish army? ;) ... Get back to us when you've though this one through..



re 38 Aussie,



"If the GC's were serious about reunification the talks would have been over with long before now (wasn't 35 years enough time for preparation)" .. sadly it was 30 years of "recognise us as a single state".. that made GCs think they could never deal with a TC leader seriously.. and just when they got one who WAS realistic, at a time when TR had a more progressive leader... the GCs elected a President who had told his electorate - he would be "strong in any negotiations".. :(



(cont)

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
23/04/2009 09:24

re 38, Aussie (cont)



"Full rights of return would make a mockery of the idea of a bi communal federation, but without it its hard to see the majority of GC's voting yes. "



..quite a keystone.. true ! .. they'll have to realise that Liealotopoulos was promising something that was a "non deliverable". A period of abrogation of some Human Right's norms IS necessary.



"A yes vote for a fair Annan style plan in the TRNC is also now far from certain given the lack of good faith from the EU on the promised lifting of embargoes etc.

"



The EU, had their hands tied by EU law.. the RoC were able - legally - to play their "we are the govt" card.. Recognition of any TC body conflicts with a UN Security Council resolution .. a legal tightrope...



..which is WHY.. *I* keep irritating ErolZ by saying a wise TC leader would annulled the "TRNC" "declaration of independence"..and asked for some token TR troops to leave and called the GCs bluff ..



No one "blinked" ..no progress.. :(

Aussie


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Message Posted:
24/04/2009 14:13

mmmmmm



Quoting from Nicos A. Rolandis Cyprus’ Foreign Minister from 1978-1983 and the Minister of Commerce, Industry & Tourism from 1998-2003 in the Cyprus mail Sunday, January 11, 2009



"In an article of mine of January 30, 2008 I referred to 15 opportunities for a solution which were presented to us since 1948 (Consultative Assembly). We rejected them all. Not all of them were good. However they were all better than what Christofias negotiates with Talat today. When I resigned from the post of Minister of Foreign Affairs in September 1983, I warned that because of our mentality and approach we would simply be left at the end of the day “with a number of resolutions and the military occupation of our country”. "





I would not dispute Dentktas was intransigent on many key issues but there have been several articles by former GC officials who say they passed up many opportunities to settle the issue that should have been accepted



Aussie

greylag


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Message Posted:
24/04/2009 14:24

They need to wake up and smell the camels back i.m.o.

G.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
28/04/2009 08:34

Dear Aussie, re msg 42



as you asked me to comment ;)



I'm not sure about this guy.. A former minister - As far as I know, he didn't say things things when in a position of influence and he is constantly hounded by accusations of having profited from illegal trading - and now he's a "political pundit"?



You'll know I'd agree that GCs missed opportunities .