Are we out of our minds

Carrot


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 12

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 22:37

We are about to purchase an apartment in TRNC built on exchange land.

Are we the only ones considering this with regard to the Orams case.

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 22:44

bonkers ! - madder than Garry Mnger's aunt Fanny......

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 22:47

Carrot.....if you have examined your conscience and have no personal moral qualms about buying disputed land,then I would suggest you go ahead.......but protect your assets in the EU and set aside a contingency fund of maybe 10 to 15% of the purchase price to cover any compensation claims that may need to be paid in future.

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 22:57

Carrot - you are not alone. We're all out of our minds. I should never have listened to him indoors



J

Yvonne



Joined: 16/05/2008
Posts: 273

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 23:04

Perhaps we are all 'out of our minds', but one thing to remember: safety in numbers. If things go against all who have invested in NC via legal representives, I would say that 'they' have a helluva lot of sh*t on their hands, and not us.

Didn't we all invest in 'good faith', with solicitors' good advice? It won't come to this. Bottom line , ie if it does, NC will have a legal and monetary nightmare on its hands.

Y

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 23:29

hi yvonne, well said,i belive the Orams must be taking thing a day at a time,and have no Fear,thats how i look at life,

it helps me each day,if we were fearful of doing things,for one we would never have moved over here in the first place,life if for living,and as the Orams have said in the new,we have our health,so it positive thinking,and we can achive anything,its not happening today,!! good luck with your packing,wish you could bring me over a Dyson, oh how i miss mine sooooooooooo much,



Spider,x

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 23:47

Don't think your out of your mind, actually think now is a good time to buy, 'grab a bargain'. just keep in mind you may have to pay some compensation in the future. As long you have sufficient funds available should the need arise, you can forget about all the paranoria about seizing assets as its just that paranoria and scare mongering. Apartments on complexes appear a safer bet to, for obvious reasons. Good luck.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
07/05/2009 00:04

Pilgrim. Good advice.

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
07/05/2009 02:37

Do you know what? Forget Swine Flu - let's make paranoia the next epidemic. I read these posts and they seem, to me, to follow a 'trend'. There's the europhoria followed by the paranoia followed by utter desperation. And then there's the 'grasping at straws' system. I feel I have some good friends (albeit cyper-mates) on this thread, who are intelligent, reasoned people. I then see, at the drop of a hat, that they are clinging (or clutching at straws) to bits of piecemeal information to anyone who posts some "helpful/hopeful" information on this board.



Please, please stop the paranoia that has started - let it die a death. You are playing into the hand of the morons on the other forum (GC) and they are laughing at us. Please stop clutching at straws - we all know that our property has lost value - what will be, will be!



I sincerely hope that this is accepted in the manner in which it was given.



Jean Wickenden

Dixie Normus


Joined: 22/02/2008
Posts: 820

Message Posted:
07/05/2009 09:02

Dont do it !! Will be the first shovel full of dirt from a big hole your diggin yourself in, loadsa dosh for a worthless asset.



D.N

Codger


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 153

Message Posted:
07/05/2009 09:04

The Wicks



Well said and is exactly what I have been saying, the herd mentality as taken over and if one panics they all do. When you stand back and look at some of the posts the paranoid headless chickens have written, thrashing about grasping at anything or anyone to blame, seeing GC's at every turn ( even in coachloads ) you really despair at their mentality.



Wow I really feel better for that.

Codger

digger123


Joined: 07/04/2009
Posts: 10

Message Posted:
07/05/2009 09:16

Carrot,

I would say if you have a chance to back out do so,you are in two minds to post for advice,we most certainly have backed out for the time being.

puppylover



Joined: 05/05/2008
Posts: 1427

Message Posted:
07/05/2009 09:17

Jean.......hope you and Paul are well.



Excellent post......couldn't have put it better myself.

Dixie Normus


Joined: 22/02/2008
Posts: 820

Message Posted:
07/05/2009 09:17

Pilgrim ref Mess 7,



Why should any conpen be paid supposedly this goverment has guareteed exchange land , this should be their baby, a political solution to their political prob, give this this lot the idea that you a willing to pay anything and they will stuff you big time as they have up to press, selling land that was not there's to sell.



D.N

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
07/05/2009 09:34

Good post Jean. Hang on....there's 5 coach loads of GC's driving through Girne all waving deeds ))

Jimmyboy63


Joined: 16/03/2009
Posts: 400

Message Posted:
07/05/2009 12:14

Agree with most of the comment's " parinoid headless chicken's " ect.



I think you could use the Oram's verdict as a bargaining tool to purchase a property here in North Cyprus in the coming month's as due to all the scaremongering anyone selling will have to reduce there asking price.



You may even be able to buy an apartment for less than a new car!!

Carrot


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 12

Message Posted:
07/05/2009 12:34

Thanks for all replies.

As the bonkers we are we will continue the process.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
07/05/2009 12:56

Good luck Jasper.Apartment blocks on exchange land are deffo the better option,

Paul.

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
07/05/2009 13:08

Good for you Carrot - you now have to sift out the children from the dark side, to get at the truth on this board. Their teacher are to blame, for bringing them up on lies for the last 35 years. What was that, the TC’s rebelled and walked out of Parliament in 1963? You have to feel sorry for them.



Troodo.

MarkVPiazza


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 530

Message Posted:
07/05/2009 13:21

I don't think I would put any more money into the TRNC at this point , but if you feel like a risk, it could be a good time to buy (at a post-Orams price)



Mark

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
07/05/2009 13:25

No1



'there's 5 coach loads of GC's driving through Girne all waving deeds '



All for the same plot of land.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
07/05/2009 13:34

AJ.

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
07/05/2009 13:40

Only five coach loads? I thought they reckoned they owned 95% of the land.

Just out of interest, the 1929 census for Cyprus stated that the TC’s owned 61% of the land and made up 51% of the population. I wonder what happened.



And before I am overwhelmed by prove it, look it up for yourselves.



Troodo.

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
07/05/2009 13:40

Bill & AJ







J

charlotte55


Joined: 14/11/2008
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
07/05/2009 13:58

Anyone who buys now ......... you will only have yourself to blame - you cant say no one told you! - hang on is my advice!

Charlotte

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
07/05/2009 14:20

For years many have known that there were risks in buying Esdeger land. Why do you think it was cheaper than pre-74 Turkish title or foreign title?



What the risks are is a question that so far there is no answer to.



Just because lots of people have bought this land does not mean it is legally or morally correct

Oleander


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
07/05/2009 14:37

"Why do you think it was cheaper than pre-74 Turkish title or foreign title? "



A question I have asked several Brits I know who own properties in the North.



And also why they keep the fact that they own property there a state secret and swear anyone else who knows about it to secrecy?



Of course they must have known about the risks. They are well publicised enough and have been for years. They just believed the agents who told them it was 'never going to happen' and all sorts of other rubbish.

Jimmyboy63


Joined: 16/03/2009
Posts: 400

Message Posted:
07/05/2009 14:54

What has happened.......nothing has happened......do you really think you are going to hand back your property/land to a Greek driving up from the south......and maybe pig's will fly



There may be a settlement and you may have to pay compensation for the land, how much i don't know but looking at the worse senario...... if you had to pay the going rate for the value of the land when you purchased it you are still getting a bargain compared to other places in the med

TopTen


Joined: 15/04/2009
Posts: 1246

Message Posted:
07/05/2009 17:48

reguardless of what happens in the future we have had two of the best years of our lives, the tcs are great social side good weather great lets enjoy!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
07/05/2009 17:52

Yes. What happened to the Guarantee?

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
07/05/2009 18:14

Bill, no one told the ECJ about it..............

ilovekibris


Joined: 18/05/2009
Posts: 394

Message Posted:
23/05/2009 17:36

jimmyboy63 wrote: "What has happened.......nothing has happened......do you really think you are going to hand back your property/land to a Greek driving up from the south."

But that's exactly what happened to the Orams and the other two cases coming up. Somebody came over and doorstepped them!

Also there is a v. strong likelihood that the personal details and UK addresses of ALL esdeger property owners have been sold on disk to the RoC authorities for hard cash.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
23/05/2009 18:32

most of us on here have bought in nc, most are happy , follow your heart and head , only you can decide , dont let the greek sympathisers put you off , enjoy /////////

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
23/05/2009 18:42

message 32



If you are so worried you know what to do, for the rest of us we are all aware of the situation and don't need people who seem hell bent on trying to cause panic, what will be will be, but probably not in my lifetime.

fatbill


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 10

Message Posted:
23/05/2009 18:42

I wish I could backed out .Our builder got two payments looks like he doesn't have title . Now he is no where to be seen

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
23/05/2009 19:34

I think not!!



But you may well be if you listen to some who post on this board!.



Weigh the facts..Tony Blair, President Obamah, Milliband, Wyn Williams, Talat, Christophias, There is a wall of International



support/pressure .What they want, they get! They are committed to a FAIR solution. Hang on.....I will go and board up the



windows!!!!! Relax and enjoy the ban holiday!!!



wynpernel



Guess, You pay your money and atke your choice

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
24/05/2009 02:18

ilovekibris

message 32



I agree, I would say its a cert your lot have the names of who owns what in TRNC.

Makes sense in case there is a no vote in the North,a.nd the ROC can revert to the courts.A few quid in an envelope would be all thats needed to get the full list.



Dont get what you mean about turning up on doorsteps in the north ,Why would any GC need to do that ,he cant reclaim his land ,only make the EU owners vacate and the writ for that will originate in Nicosia and be served via a EU court.



If you prefer the satisfaction of seeing some people being involved in litigation rather than a settlement ,I suggest the best way would be for you and your compatriots to vote NO,as a YES vote will entail compensation ,either from individuals or from Turkey,and therefore end Orams type cases.

Mind you that could be a dangerous strategy, if the North votes Yes and you vote No. then Eu courts might not be so compliant.

CyprusChill


Joined: 08/05/2009
Posts: 666

Message Posted:
24/05/2009 03:19

Still no head stones decided upon the British Terrorist War Dead personnel.

In light of the forcefull regard towards the Orams, has an agreement been made on who should cut the grass on this memorial plot of land.

taraspring


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
24/05/2009 03:20

Lets get this into perspective....

Can you really really see a bulldozer coming over the border (green line) to demolish the Orams Villa?



How many troops are there in the North?

That should answer your question.



It just aint gonna happen.

T

CyprusChill


Joined: 08/05/2009
Posts: 666

Message Posted:
24/05/2009 06:01

British shot in the back, in the past. The future is dependant on those with the finger on the trigger.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
24/05/2009 13:49

Taraspring

"Can you really really see a bulldozer coming over the border (green line) to demolish the Orams Villa?



No not in a million years. BUT



Could you see them losing their house in Hove or their pensions and savings ceased or diverted?



Yes there is a chance this might happen.

mixie


Joined: 16/05/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
24/05/2009 16:20

Do you really think so?

Have you never noticed in the past when a brit gets into bother abroad for whatever reason,it is that all of a sudden its a scandal etc etc. How dare they treat a Brit like this!



I have a legal background and I hasten to add at this stage I have not looked into the Oram dilemma to any great detail(but I do intend to do so perhaps holiday reading when I come over on holiday)but I would wage a bet , right now, that despite everyone saying that the British Courts must go with the ECHJ ruling that there will be some loophole found ..They will probably come down on something like it is against British Public Policy. etc.I cannot see the British Courts castigating british subjects in favour of any ruling.

The only way that there can be any solution is through negotiation not through the Courts. Yes they have claimed a victory because they have set precedent but its putting precedent into action and that requires negotiation.

M

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
24/05/2009 16:39

M

I am in agreement that the solution will and needs to come from negotiation and not the courts. But there is still a chance that the above might happen. If there were lots of British citizens in the same boat as the Orams then I think the British Government may well search for a loophole. However the Orams will be made scapegoats so that the message to other potential buyers is Don't buy in the TRNC. Was this not the point of the case all along?

mixie


Joined: 16/05/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
24/05/2009 16:48

I still intend buying. I am not put off.

m

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
24/05/2009 17:05

Good for you Mixie,



but you will go armed with lots of information and do's and don'ts and that's the important thing when you are buying in the TRNC. You will always be at risk because of the system you are working with but at least you will be able to minimise or recognise that risk and act accordingly. If this forum helps people to safeguard themselves or buy knowing the possible future problems, then it has been a very useful tool.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
24/05/2009 17:24

Who have you lost your deposit to?

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
24/05/2009 17:27

and why have you lost it ?