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petez


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Seems to be everyone has got some problem or other with their deeds.



Top legal expert Naomi will be concentrating on answering questions on this subject this month.

To get free legal help with your problem leave her your question here



http://www.living-in-northern-cyprus.com/review/2009/04/lawyer_north_cyprus/



fazo1


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Ha ha my contract should never been alowed to be signed but naomi let me



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Naomi's reputation is second to none as far as legal advice goes in North Cyprus.



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ok mybe they are all the same then when it comes to takeing monie



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Would'nt seem so in Fazo's case would it !!!!! How about some compo for the poor chap.



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i dont fink she would hand back 50k dixie normus m8



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I think she should compensate, if her decission was wrong, her reputation is at stake. If I did a job or advised someone to do something and it went pear shaped I could'nt sleep at night unless my customers greivences were sorted its the decent thing to do and no doubt she knows that, being the clever lady she is.



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mybe in the uk but we are hear different story i see it as she seen a fee dam the rest of it its not her hard earnt monie been spent 2 other people have checked the contract out and both differant people said its the soliciters at fault now if i wish to see her she wants 50pound to have a chat



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Seems like your being ignored, have a word with the law society believe they have a duty to sort wrong doers in their profession. Hope you get sorted as this casts a black cloud on the whole bunch, have a word with Trevor Mac at the BBC he no doubt would like a few more doom stories.



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As there are NO Solicitors in NC, therefore the Law Society of England & Wales cannot intervene. NC does have a professional body who you could complain to - BARO - But they are a complete waste of time and effort. And..... in NC, advocates (call them what you will) do NOT have a duty of care to their clients!!! Amazing that.



Lawyers - don't trust em!



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the thing is we love it hear but these things need sorting out so no more people get ripped



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Ask Elko2/Ismet instead-most helpful member!



He is clear concise easy to understand and very knowledgable!



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btw Fazo1 am sorry to hear about your bad experience with this 'solicitor'.



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Re message 8



Fazo1,

Naomi is offering to answer legal questions for free, why don't you ask her a question via the website?

it won't cost you £50.

.....Or you could just complain about it for the rest of your life...



petez


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By the way i do sympathise with you too



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From what I have read, most advocates do not have the time to reply to their client's emails, phone calls, etc., because they are soooo busy............... never mind answering questions for free.



If work for advocates is a bit thin on the ground of late, maybe existing clients will get that much awaited response?

Just my thought of the day.



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Whats life without a good old moan !



We are British for gods sake, stiff upper lip and what bloody awful weather we are having !



petez


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re message 16



taraspring

see message 14



taraspring


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re message 16



taraspring



see message 14







Re: Message 18 - I did.



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Re message 19



I saw message 16 and message 14 and message 18 and now I'm confused.



from message 20 )



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Did you guys all used to work for the civil service ?



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Ha ha that is funny No1. Now I am confused too. Which message should we be looking at? LOL



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If anyone wants unbiased, impartial information and advice, please come along to the HBPG surgeries at Pia Bella 12- 3pm. (Apart from Ismet's input of course)



We too have had our differences with Naomi Mehmet's advice or lack of it! And unfortunately many purchasers are in the dire situation they are in now because certain lawyers did not give them correct legal advice in the first place. Whilst BARO states that their own lawyer members have no duty of care to their customers, nothing will be done to improve the situation. However, hopefully the new government will act positively and constructively to sort out the problems faced by purchasers to bring confidence back and improve the economy in the process.



Petez - message 14 - I'm sure most of us would moan about it for the rest of our lives if we lost £50K of our hard earned life savings. From Fazo1 message, he's already approached NM and she wanted £50 per visit.



Sibel



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pia bella?is that in girne? 12-3pm- what day/days. thanks in advance.



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Sorry it is every Tuesday 12-3pm Pia Bella, Girne.



Sibel



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Sibel re message 23 Part 1, & message 25 duly noted.



for part 2 see message 15, then see message 14, followed finally by message 1



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re. msg. 23



Sibel,

Thanks for your comments about me. As far as top legal experts in Cyprus, without a doubt I will put KivanÁ M. Riza as no. 1 although he is getting old (about 5 years older than me) and even more grumpier now than ever before I can count a few good ones (all of them from the older generation) but I am always afraid to give any names because they all have some drawbacks and also they are likely to pass over the file to their younger assistants with little experience in litigation.

ismet



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Thank you sibel.now elko2 if you can shed any light on any of this i would be verry greatfull

i purchased a property of plan naomi wrote the contracts up we all signed them turns out the developer didnt own the land there was a contract beween bsg and the land owner . I was told there should have been a signature of the land owner or power of aturny but there was nothing i delt with naomi from email back in uk we moved hear a year ago whent in to see her about 8 month ago she wanted 50pound to see us we booked the oppointment because we wanted to take this to litgation she dropped the charge as we had to pay her another 1000pound we have already paid her 1200pound to start with does thissound normal or am i just moaning that some one has tolk my 50k or should i push it under the pillow .i dont think so

fazo1



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Ref. msg.28

Fazo1,

My understanding is that your contract is between you and the deleveloper. If the developer has defaulted on his commitments, your only option is to sue the developer for compensation. You may also sue the land owner in addition to the developer but you do not really have a direct legal link to the land owner since you do not have any written commitment from him. There may be some circumstantial evidence to make him responsible as well but the chances are slim. I cannot really comment on something without knowing the full facts.



If you are thinking of litigation I will recommend you strongly to find an advocate with a good experience in litigation. Do not be conned by smooth talk or false representations. Its best to ask the locals. I find most recommendations made on these forums based on very trivial experiences. Good luck.

ismet



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Fazo1 - are you sure that a separate contract does not exist between the landowner and the developer i.e., one that you were not a party to?



I say this because the landowner would not have given the land free to the developer to build the properties, and some money must have exchanged hands between them. Therefore it stands to reason that the terms of payment would be in a signed contract between the landowner and the developer. I can't see either party doing a deal without one. This is something that your advocate must have known, and should have told you at the outset.



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Fazo1 - I have emailed you.



Sibel



fazo1


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Hi elko2 the developer has ran of to the south he is now acting as a herble doctor

teraspring the deal was the land owner has some villas for the land i would have thought there was a contract between them but i was told there should have been a signature of the land owner or power of aturny on ower contract



taraspring


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Fazo1 Hi, OK so even if no money supposedly changed hands, he would have been remunerated by property being built. Therefore the principle is still the same. How would he force the developer to build his property/ies without a contract? If your contract was silent (ie did not include any reference to the landowner), how could he have signed it? He couldn't. He was not a party to it. I don't quite understand what you mean about Power of Attorney over your contract? Have you been told that the landowner gave a PoA to the developer to build the properties? If so, I cannot see this being accurate as WITHOUT a contract being in place between the landowner and the developer, the landowner would be giving away control of his land without any guarantees being in place. I really think you should go back to your advocate and ask these questions. In your case, there HAS to be another contract between the landowner and the developer. Otherwise it just doesnt make any sense.



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If Naomi Mehmet is your advocate, and she is offering free advice on her website posted here, use it. Nothing lost. Not a single penny. Don't agree to pay for the advice. It has been advertised as a FREE Service.



Ask her these questions and all the other questions that members have raised here. Don't be fobbed off with any old answers. This is important, and you need to make sure that you are getting the truth to enable you to consider the next steps available to you. If you have lost confidence in meeting with your advocate face to face, for whatever reason, I would advise you to put your questions in bullet points on that website, and ask that they be answered in the same format. Let us all know how you get on please?



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Fazo and others,

It is really difficult and dangerous to discuss hypothetical cases because one can miss a vital point.

Case 1. Suppose the developer and the landowner has some kind of agreement between themselves. It is a matter between the two and not of interest to the buyer. In any case, how is the buyer supposed to prove the legal link between the developer and the land owner and what was exactly the commitment between the two? Just not on.



Case 2. The buyer and the vendors (developer and the land owner) sign a sale contract. This is the best but without registration no security exists and thus the lawyer should advise on security matters and the ways available e.g. the vendors or their directors giving personal guarantees on the deal.



Case 3. Similar to case 2 but landowner not available to sign the sale agreement (landowner out of Cyprus). In such a case landowner gives power of attorney to developer to sign on his behalf. Thus the developer signs the contract as developer and also as the landowner and the original POA attached to the contract or a certified copy of it. Security same as above case 2.



ismet



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I think all Fazo1 really needs is a little help from others to compile a list of questions/scenarios that he can approach his advocate with, as without this, it is a stalemate situation.



Yes I agree, it is difficult to discuss (without the full knowledge) of all of the facts, but perhaps we can all help him/her out in this turmoil. It must be extremely upsetting to be in this situation.



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thank you all for your help will put a list together and email naomi will let you no how i get on



petez


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Fazo1,





Naomi Memhet is a well repsected legal advisor in Northern Cyprus,



If you have a question send it, (see message 1) if not then give everyone else a chance to be helped by someone who has offered to give up her time free of charge and voluntarily.



Posting allegations about her is counter-productive and could potentially put Naomi off answering questions for anyone else.



Pete

(See message 1)



petez


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Tara,



Naomi is attempting to help visitors to our site by answering a selection of questions I give to her.

She is under no obligation to do anything.

As you know she is a professional legal advisor, ie that is her job



She has chosen to do this for free and should be applauded for doing so, making demands from her when she is trying to help, will have one result, she will stop answering any questions.



Try getting any legal advice from a professional advocate or lawyer in any county for free.



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How do you get access to the previous legal questions and answers as I can't find the link on the site.



Thanks



Aussie



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Hi Aussie,

Here is a link to the others questions and answers... you can find it on the right under categories 'legal advice'



http://www.living-in-northern-cyprus.com/review/2009/04/legal-questions-answered/



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My question would be to ask what part Naomi Mehmet plays in chasing PtP. Not strictly on subject but I would like to know if their interest in this stops when the bill is paid or are they able to influence the speed with which this currently progresses by following up on behalf of their clients.



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petz wrote: "Try getting any legal advice from a professional advocate or lawyer in any county for free."



Standard practise in the UK is for every solicitor to give a free half-hour consultation which in many cases resolves problem and the punter can sort out the issue for free, this could well be the case in many other countries as well.



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I have had dealings with Naomi Mehmet and all ways found the practice to be run in a very efficiant manner, whenever i raised a question i received an answer within 24 hours either by telephone or by email.

One of the questions i asked was if the PTP could be speeded up if they or myself pesterd the office where they are issued, apparently this will not make a bit of difference they just go at there own pace.

My PTP was issued 22nd January 2009 after 27 months and i was advised by Naomi's office of this on the 23rd January.

As above message you do not get some thing for nothing very often



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I tried to access the given website but it froze up my computer!



petez


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The site is working fine,



Re message46

ilove kibris



If this is the case, feel free to get advice from them, I find it amazing there is so much hostility towards someone trying to offer help and advice.



I am now asking myself is it really worth the hassle?



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Pete. Don't take this the wrong way.....But I think I have to point out a few simple facts here.

You said...........

"Naomi is attempting to help visitors to our site by answering a selection of questions I give to her.

She is under no obligation to do anything.

As you know she is a professional legal advisor, ie that is her job"

I say.....

It is you that has advertised this as a free service NOT I!

You said.....

"She has chosen to do this for free and should be applauded for doing so, making demands from her when she is trying to help, will have one result, she will stop answering any questions."

I say..........

I have made NO demands. I merely pointed out to Fazo1 that it was advertised as a free service, and therefore he should not agree to PAY for any advice - AS IT IS FREE! Or at least that is what you advertised at the outset.



Now either it IS free or it is not. Which is it?



Your last sentence has already been addressed.

T



petez


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Thanks to everyone who asked a question to Naomi, I will let you know when I have the answers back.

Re messge 48

Krawpy,

I understand your situation, all I am interested in is producing an informative article for the website. Many people I know have legal problems. I would like to think we were doing something constructive.



Re message 49

Taraspring

Thanks for the comments Tara, the objective of the article is to answer a number of legal concerns that are common amoung people looking for advice, I realise Naomi will receives free publicity from the articles, initially I asked the HBPG to get involved with the website several months ago and they offered to help, but I am still waiting for their response to questions I sent in February.



The advice is free, if you follow the link it says we will pick six of the best to ask her.



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To Krawpy, I can only say that it is funny that we do not appear to have anyone by the name of Richard, with the email address which you have given on this forum as being your own, on our database. The same applies to some of the sites which you allege we have clients on, such as Glass Bay View. You have on this thread criticised me for giving advice in Ďthe safe environment of a websiteí so why donít you come out and tell everyone your real name? Why donít you come to see me with your Ďcomplaintí rather than posting it on a forum under a false name? I have read through the other postings which you have put on this forum and it seems that you have some kind of agenda to wage war against the whole of the TRNC. All of the postings are negative, racist ramblings which appear to have absolutely no basis. You say that you left the island in 2008 so why are you still wasting your time on this forum? As for attending meetings at the HBPG, I would be more than willing to attend a meeting. I wo



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uld be more than willing to attend a meeting. I would be more than willing to discuss face to face any legitimate complaints which any of our clients may have.

It is a sad fact in the TRNC that in the past, due to the sudden property explosion which was experienced from 2003 onwards on the island, a number of people suffered property related problems. There were a number of gaps in the legislation which meant that purchasers were not protected in the same way as they were in the UK. The impact of these was not appreciated initially until problems began to arise. The system meant that some builders were able to sell properties and then subsequently mortgage them. There was no mechanism for the registration of Contracts of Sale at the Land Registry until 2008. The length of time which purchase permit applications take increased from around 3 months to 3 years. For a period of time, the Land Registry restricted access to land registry searches so full investigations of title could not



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always be carried out properly. It has taken a long time for these problems to be acknowledged and changes are being made to improve safety for purchasers. I myself have put various suggestions through the Kyrenia Bar Association for positive changes to be made so that the mistakes which occurred in the past are not repeated. However, lawyers practising in the TRNC can only work within the framework which is available to them. When things go wrong with developers, lawyers are often unfairly criticised by people who do not have the full facts of the case or who are trying to compare conveyancing in the TRNC with conveyancing in the UK. In the vast majority of cases, although the situation is upsetting for all concerned, there is nothing which the lawyer could have done to prevent it. Anyone who feels aggrieved by the actions of their lawyer should make an appointment to discuss the matter face to face and ask all of the relevant questions. Give the lawyer an opportunity to explain and o



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offer and advice on how the problem can be resolved. If they are still not satisfied, they should contact the TRNC Bar for further advice on making a formal complaint.

To Mr. Farrell, we have discussed your litigation case in detail before. I obviously do not want to go into the details of it again here on a public forum. Please contact me to make an appointment so I can go through this with you and answer any concerns you have.



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As far as I am aware BARO have not acted on any complaints made against Advocates. Their statement that lawyers in TRNC have no duty of care to their clients sums up this lack of action. I donít recall any lawyer in TRNC publicly condemning that statement or calling for a resignation as you would expect. Does anyone remember the famous quote by Gerald Ratner, owner of Ratnerís Jewellers: ďRatner's has got very little to do with quality. ... I say because it's total crapĒ People stopped buying his jewellery overnight, and shortly after he said that his business went under. People will not tolerate this type of treatment, and this behaviour is why people are not buying property here.



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So, who is the long-sighted, intelligent person? The person who rips off 100 people once? Or the person who provides an honest service and delivers what was promised to 100 people, who then go on to recommend them to another 100 people, who then recommend them to another 100 etc? Thatís the way the world works. Itís simple economics. Short-sighted, selfish greed only works in the short term for the benefit of the few, and it does nothing to help the TRNC, and its economy as a whole, prosper so itís a win-win situation for everyone



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The truth canít stay hidden indefinitely. The only businessís to survive in a flagging economy which mainly relies on the construction industry is those who are honest, who honour their commitments, who act with integrity, and who look after their customers. With a global economic crisis on top, this is even more so. Bad practise is called bad practise because itís not sustainable long-term.



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Hopefully the new government will be long-sighted and will enforce the existing laws and amend and improve laws to sort out the mess that the construction industry has become. Hopefully they will provide protection to buyers, and the various sectors of the construction industry (contractorís union/estate agentís union/BARO) will start taking action against its members who act with detrimental affect to the TRNC, thus ruining the reputation and economy of the TRNC. Buyers who purchased in TRNC werenít put off at the first hurdle by the North/South problem. They had faith in the TRNC. Now itís time for the TRNC to repay that faith by protecting a valuable asset.



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Itís not just about what is right and wrong; itís also about wanting whatís best for the TRNCís economy and long term success when no one else in the world apart from Turkey cares. I love North Cyprus with a passion and believe it has unique qualities and great potential which could enable it to ride out the global economic crisis, but not unless immediate and constructive action is taken once and for all. The two main contributors to the economy are the construction industry and tourism, and the two go hand in hand. I believe the changes needed are not that difficult to implement



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Change wonít come unless we all collectively try to make positive changes for everyone and this in turn will improve the economy, construction and tourism sectors etc. We all need to stand up and say, ďThis is wrong. Iím not going to let it happen any more.Ē Nothing will ever happen by burying your heads in the sand or saying itís not your problem. Itís everyoneís problem and I hate injustice.



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22/05/2009 16:25

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